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lawdog77

#225
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 27, 2024, 08:19:29 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Either you are insanely naive or insanely dumb.
So, you are saying Sluka knew he was breaking the law? Let me get your position straight. The OC told him in December that he would get 100K to come to UNLV. He signs in January and lets the agent take care of everything. He then doesn't say a word until August when he shows up for practice. His check is not there, so he lets his agent do the talking until after the first 2 games?  He doesn't get anything in writing, nor does he ask what personal engagements he will need to do to earn his NIL. Pay for play is illegal in Nevada. Unclean hands, simple as that. Both sides.

You keep being you

The Lens

#226
What I love about this is from what I read is everyone who is "anti NIL" is anti everything that Al was for.  And since my dad was a roommate of Allie and a manager of Al for 3 years, a producer of Al's Run and involved in his other businesses, I know that Al would be the most pro NIL coach of all time.  I cannot understand how these old timers, who portend to be Marquette guys get off on thinking their (backward) way is the right way.  They are 100% going aginst Al.  Makes no sense. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 27, 2024, 08:41:29 PM
So, you are saying Sluka knew he was breaking the law? You keep being you

I guess me being me means that I'm not a naive dimwit.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 27, 2024, 08:51:03 PM
I guess me being me means that I'm not a naive dimwit.
I am not naive. I am sure this is happening at most schools. The only dimwit  here is Sluka for not getting it in writing.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Lawdog, I don't think anyone is arguing that Sluka didn't make a mistake not getting things in writing. But if his version is true, and the school's statement didn't deny that it was, then UNLV messed up and Sluka is justified in seeking a transfer. Sluka may be a rube, but that doesn't mean he should keep playing once he realized that he had been had.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Lens on September 27, 2024, 08:49:27 PM
What I love about this is from what I read is everyone who is "anti NIL" is anti everything that Al was for.  And since my dad was a roommate of Allie and a manager of Al for 3 years, a producer of Al's Run and involved in his other businesses, I know that Al would be the most pro NIL coach of all time.  I cannot understand how these old timers, who portend to be Marquette guys get off on thinking their (backward) way is the right way.  They are 100% going aginst Al.  Makes no sense.

Lens
I think the "most pro NIL coach of all time" may be a stretch but you're right that Al always encouraged his players to take care of themselves and their families first. Use basketball, don't let it use you was his motto. For most, that meant using their time at MU to get the degree that meant success once their eligibility ended. For the elite, it sometimes meant leaving early and taking the money.

Pro NIL? Yes, with one caveat. Al was a dictator, and if he saw the money interfering with his unquestioned authority it would have given him pause.

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 26, 2024, 07:20:56 PM
. A second player has now how left using similar language to what Slutska was saying -
#Lies

The Lens

Here's an Al McGuire quote:

"We must graduate people who are not qualified. You must allow certain people who are not qualified to come out of college. Then their children will go to college, and they will become corporate lawyers and neurosurgeons."

If you don't think that guy would want his players getting NIL, you're not being honest with yourself.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Lens on September 28, 2024, 06:52:09 AM
Here's an Al McGuire quote:

"We must graduate people who are not qualified. You must allow certain people who are not qualified to come out of college. Then their children will go to college, and they will become corporate lawyers and neurosurgeons."

If you don't think that guy would want his players getting NIL, you're not being honest with yourself.

Anyone that doesn't think Al would be pro-NIL is living in a fantasyland
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Viper

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 27, 2024, 09:38:44 AM
You also don't get salary caps without a union.
when I championed college amateur athletics...you said pay them. Ok, so...pay them...and yet you want a union and salary caps? Which is it?

Viper


Viper

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2024, 07:19:42 AM
Anyone that doesn't think Al would be pro-NIL is living in a fantasyland
yes, but as Lenny's Tap said...up to the point where Al's authority is eroded.  Current example...Michael Andretti is out of Andretti Autosport...his own and namesake race team!!! Why? Big $ sponsor unhappy with...Michael Andretti. So, Andretti out, or $-man out. Andretti diminished to the point $-man wins. NIL is going to get wild and soon.
btw, could we get AL off the waistband and back on the jersey, please.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Viper on September 28, 2024, 09:33:26 AM
yes, but as Lenny's Tap said...up to the point where Al's authority is eroded.  Current example...Michael Andretti is out of Andretti Autosport...his own and namesake race team!!! Why? Big $ sponsor unhappy with...Michael Andretti. So, Andretti out, or $-man out. Andretti diminished to the point $-man wins. NIL is going to get wild and soon.
btw, could we get AL off the waistband and back on the jersey, please.

What does Andretti sports have to do with Al supporting NIL?
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Viper on September 28, 2024, 09:20:23 AM
when I championed college amateur athletics...you said pay them. Ok, so...pay them...and yet you want a union and salary caps? Which is it?

Both. Assuming a union would agree to a cap, it would collectively bargain something in return.

But amateurism sucks and should have died a long time ago.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 28, 2024, 09:41:21 AM
Both. Assuming a union would agree to a cap, it would collectively bargain something in return.

But amateurism sucks and should have died a long time ago.
You do realize that if there is a salary cap, college athletics is still in a similar situation it is now. Teams "cheating" by having fake NIL deals to lure players to the school.

Viper

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2024, 09:35:53 AM
What does Andretti sports have to do with Al supporting NIL?
Andretti lost control. Authority eroded due to $. Al would support NIL to a point, until $ erodes authority. (probably why Saban retired from 'Bama. He saw it coming)

Viper

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 28, 2024, 09:41:21 AM
Both. Assuming a union would agree to a cap, it would collectively bargain something in return.

But amateurism sucks and should have died a long time ago.
amateurism sucks is your opinion. That's fine. Not all of us agree.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Viper on September 28, 2024, 10:09:19 AM
Andretti lost control. Authority eroded due to $. Al would support NIL to a point, until $ erodes authority. (probably why Saban retired from 'Bama. He saw it coming)

Yes, money has never dictated the security of coaches in college athletics.  Not a single instance of money influencing whether a coach stays or goes, no sir.
Ramsey head thoroughly up his ass.

Holy hell all time

When did Viper go from simply being a poster obsessed with the Badgers to rocket 2.0?

Skatastrophy

Quote from: wadesworld on September 28, 2024, 10:25:21 AM
When did Viper go from simply being a poster obsessed with the Badgers to rocket 2.0?

Scoop radicalizes people

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Viper on September 28, 2024, 10:11:23 AM
amateurism sucks is your opinion. That's fine. Not all of us agree.

Your opinion sucks.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 28, 2024, 10:03:04 AM
You do realize that if there is a salary cap, college athletics is still in a similar situation it is now. Teams "cheating" by having fake NIL deals to lure players to the school.

NIL collectives can be managed as related institutions and be subject to similar caps.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 28, 2024, 10:48:13 AM
NIL collectives can be managed as related institutions and be subject to similar caps.
That doesnt solve the problem. Caps=room for cheating by paying under the table, so to speak. Youcannot limit how much a personmales in NIL.

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: lawdog77 on September 28, 2024, 10:56:07 AM
That doesnt solve the problem. Caps=room for cheating by paying under the table, so to speak. Youcannot limit how much a personmales in NIL.

You can from NIL collectives associated with an institution. There are precedents for those in place now. Outside those...no. And that's fine.
Matthew 25:40: Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.

lawdog77

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 28, 2024, 10:58:48 AM
You can from NIL collectives associated with an institution. There are precedents for those in place now. Outside those...no. And that's fine.
Again , salary caps will not stop the cheating and paying under the table.Not having a salary cap would. Not having a salary cap would eliminate the need for the collectives. Players would be free to sign their own NIL deals.

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