Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapse

[BrewCity83]

I'm not advocating for waiting for an insurance check.  Get to work now--but pursue those at fault.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The NTSB will do a thorough investigation to determine the root cause of the accident. Yeah the ship ran into the bridge, but what caused the ship to lose power? I don't know much about how a ship works, but what if it was bad fuel? Or poorly performed engine maintenance?

Let the investigation run its course, but in the meantime get the port back to normal ASAP, and the bridge reconstructed in a reasonable timeframe.

[nyg]

Why isn't the shipping company/ship owner and their insurance company(s) responsible for the cost of repairs?  They caused the damages.

That was actually brought up not too long ago by some news guy.  The governments could sue the shipping company subsequent to the NTSB investigation's conclusion via a civil suit.  It would take years, due to the billions it is going to cost and the litigation, but if there was such a judgement, then they would reimburse the governments in an awarded monetary amount towards the recovery build costs.  As of now, it looks like an accident based upon some ship issue, maybe some engine/systems fire and not human error.  NTSB interviewing the pilots and crew now.  NTSB has their crap together, just watch an episode of "Airline Disasters", which are a lot more complicated than this incident.

BTW, the 600 containers was just an estimate, and the ship supposedly weighed 95,000 tons. 

[Hards Alumni]

Mitigate the situation. Rebuild the bridge.  Litigate later.

Trust the process, five years to judge

[tower912]

Ironically accurate.  The process will lead to a bridge.   Doing it and determining fault will probably take 5 years.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

NTSB has their crap together, just watch an episode of "Airline Disasters", which are a lot more complicated than this incident.

One of my absolute favorite shows. I stumbled upon it when I was banished to the bedroom with COVID - I think I watched 15-20 episodes over the course of a weekend.

[nyg]

This article is for Tower:

Audio from Fire Departments, mainly Battalion Chiefs, miss the days of chaos radio talk.  Scroll down article to Youtube post:

https://wjla.com/news/local/dispatch-audio-captures-the-moments-the-key-bridge-collapsed-in-baltimore#

[nyg]

One of my absolute favorite shows. I stumbled upon it when I was banished to the bedroom with COVID - I think I watched 15-20 episodes over the course of a weekend.

Yes, an awesome show, dealing with facts and evidence, and putting it all together. NTSB guys are crazy good and intellectual. No speculation, rumors, comedy, etc.

Now, next time you are under the weather, go to On Demand, Investigative Discovery Channel and watch:

- See No Evil
- The Murder Tapes

Real work....

One other I found fascinating was on the History Channel called "The Food That Built America".  I learned more about food, inventions, advertising, patents, company buyouts and binge watched every episodes.

Sorry for takeover thread, if I hear more from sources on bridge, I'll advise.

[jesmu84]

If east Palestine was any indication, I'm sure this accident will be forgotten about shortly. And no significant repercussions

[tower912]

Those guys had their stuff together.  First responder porn.  Thanks, NYG.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

The economic impacts of this will be a pain, but very interesting to see unfold. The building process is a little more extensive than an overpass repair. That's for sure.

[🏀]

Isn't that what they did with Pennsylvania when the I-95 bridge collapsed last year?

For the hard temporary work, yes. Same with the Sanibel Island bridges.

However, for the permanent work over waters of the United States, the Army Corp still has their say. Which delayed the Fort Myers area efforts drasticallly.

[🏀]

(surprisingly, insurance companies tend to balk at $1 billion claims)

Billions.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

For the hard temporary work, yes. Same with the Sanibel Island bridges.

However, for the permanent work over waters of the United States, the Army Corp still has their say. Which delayed the Fort Myers area efforts drasticallly.

Ahh...gotcha.

[🏀]

Ahh...gotcha.

But with the vast majority of the super structure still in fine condition, it shouldn’t be the worst.

Get the harbor cleared and rebuild the destroyed pier. In the meantime, prefabricate the arches, spans and decks. Materials will be the biggest delay.

It’s not crazy to think some traffic is using it come 12 months from now.

[jesmu84]

The company that chartered the ship that destroyed the Key Bridge was just sanctioned by regulators for silencing whistleblowers raising safety concerns.

Sounds like more late stage capitalism ala Norfolk southern, Boeing, etc

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Sounds like Baltimore port traffic will be diverted all over the East Coast.

https://www.wtnh.com/news/connecticut/new-haven/could-baltimore-cargo-traffic-be-rerouted-to-new-haven/

Could Baltimore cargo traffic be rerouted to New Haven?
by: Tina Detelj

Posted: Mar 26, 2024 / 04:57 PM EDT
Updated: Mar 27, 2024 / 05:44 AM EDT

[4everwarriors]

While I’m a big Biden fan, his statement where he said the US government will pay for any and all repairs is simple pandering.

It’s an Interstate highway. Of course the Feds pay.

Nah, typical Buffoonery, aina?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Nah, typical Buffoonery, aina?

Zero reason to turn this political...

[dgies9156]

Yeah that's not how it works. Even interstate highways are a mix of federal grants and state resources like a gas tax, and have to go through several steps long prior to construction. Furthermore, the interstate highway and bridge are legally the property of the State of Maryland.

He is talking about a direct appropriation with Congressional approval to pay for 100% of it. That's not how projects are usually funded.

Interstate highways are paid through the Highway Trust Fund. The trust was established in 1956 as part of the Interstate Highway Act. The federal government paid 80 percent of the Interstate Highway system's construction with the remaining 20 percent coming from the states. You pay the highway trust fund every time you buy gasoline.

President Biden was addressing two issues. The first is the financial need to accelerate the design and construction of a replacement artery. That needs to be done as quickly as possible, though anything that large will still take years (see the aftereffect of the Sunshine Skyway collapse in 1980 near Tampa). The second is the political reality of quick and forceful action.

[4everwarriors]

Zero reason to turn this political...

Check Jockey's response first and tell me that isn't political, hey?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Check Jockey's response first and tell me that isn't political, hey?

Nope it wasn't. It was a statement about a policy decision related to the topic at hand.

You just offered an old and tired insult. But that's pretty much all you do these days anyway I guess.

[dgies9156]

Why isn't the shipping company/ship owner and their insurance company(s) responsible for the cost of repairs?  They caused the damages.

Good luck collecting. It is doubtful the shipowner would have that much liability insurance. Moreover, that kind of claim probably would bankrupt the insurance carriers and/or reinsurers.

[4everwarriors]

Nope it wasn't. It was a statement about a policy decision related to the topic at hand.

You just offered an old and tired insult. But that's pretty much all you do these days anyway I guess.

Opinions are like ass holes, everyone's got one, aina?

[rocket surgeon]

 lost among all the obvious tragedy of personal and physical tragedy is the train line that carried "some" millions of miles of commutes from Delaware to DC with brown paper bag lunches in hand and...wait...there wasn't an Amtrak or train line on the bridge?  what the...must be a different bridge he was thinking of.  idk, that many commutes would be difficult to forget, but anyhoo, back to the ice cream shop for the flav of the day