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Disco Hippie

Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.

The Sultan

Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.

There are a number of things that concern me, but that's pretty far down the list. Not much can be done about it anyway.
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Goose

Sultan

Serious question, aside from injuries, what are your concerns the rest the way?

The Sultan

Quote from: Goose on March 03, 2024, 01:35:15 PM
Sultan

Serious question, aside from injuries, what are your concerns the rest the way?

Ability to score against a physical defense is my top concern. A poor three point shooting night is probably second.
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Goose

Sultan

Agree on both. Have said multiple times, if the season ends with a loss we will not need to have much debate on what happened. A cold shooting night is number for me.

I will add, they do need to shoot FT better, especially the bonus. They miss too many front ends and that is big in the tournament.

MU82

I continue to be surprised that good shooters like Kam and Joplin are meh from the FT line.

But I agree with y'all that there are bigger concerns.
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Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.

No
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muwarrior69

Quote from: Goose on March 03, 2024, 02:00:49 PM
Sultan

Agree on both. Have said multiple times, if the season ends with a loss we will not need to have much debate on what happened. A cold shooting night is number for me.

I will add, they do need to shoot FT better, especially the bonus. They miss too many front ends and that is big in the tournament.

What frustrates me more is our rebounding, especially offensively. Four of our guys around the basket yet the one opposing player under the basket gets the ball and scores.

muwarrior69

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 03, 2024, 02:17:19 PM
No

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jfp61

Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.

no largely doesn't matter at all

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: jfp61 on March 03, 2024, 02:44:46 PM
no largely doesn't matter at all

And yet we sweated the end of our game at St. John's because of poor FT shooting. All points matter.

Teams usually have at least a couple of weak spots in a game. While FTs may not be high on the list, they do sometimes matter. However, you did qualify your post by saying "largely". I agree with that. It's just as easy to blame a loss on missed rebounds, poor 3 point shooting, turnovers, etc. I really do not like sentences beginning with the word "if" in comments after a loss. At the end of those sentences, you know there will be something along the lines "...then we would have won". But we didn't.
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: Goose on March 03, 2024, 01:35:15 PM
Sultan

Serious question, aside from injuries, what are your concerns the rest the way?

Goose

#1 for me is also a poor shooting night

#2 is a "let them play" ref crew against a physical, "bully ball" team.

tower912

Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.
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Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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bilsu

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on March 03, 2024, 01:33:16 PM
There are a number of things that concern me, but that's pretty far down the list. Not much can be done about it anyway.
Not a Big concern in Big East, because there are not many fouls called. It is a problem, if there are a lot of fouls called in an NCAA tournament game.

Goose

Lenny

I think #1 is the biggest fear and hard to ignore it. All they need is a hot 6 game run and I like their chances. That said, it only takes one bad night.

If they are going deep, they likely will need to find a way to overcome at least below average shooting night. Defense will need to be their calling card in the tournament.

NCMUFan

Shooting free throws at home, away and on neutral court are probably all different.
Opposing student sections behind the basket waving any distracting thing they can and shouting at the top of their lungs has to challenge one's concentration.
Versus a very still, calm student section at the Fiserv.

Markusquette

Quote from: Goose on March 03, 2024, 06:37:26 PM
Lenny

I think #1 is the biggest fear and hard to ignore it. All they need is a hot 6 game run and I like their chances. That said, it only takes one bad night.

If they are going deep, they likely will need to find a way to overcome at least below average shooting night. Defense will need to be their calling card in the tournament.

MU is very difficult to stop when their main guys are shooting well from deep. It's time for an MU squad to get hot in March, and not just the BE tournament. If good Kam, Kolek and Jolp show up I feel good about elite 8 or better.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.
Yes too many of our top players frequently miss critical free throws down the stretch.

Nothing can be done in season to change .  Hopefully they all work on it off season.

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TAMU, Knower of Ball

#20
Raising our season FT% by 4% would put us in the top 50 nationally for FT%.

Raising it by 4% would also have resulted in us making 17.8 more FTs. Divide that by the 29 games we've played and that's a whopping 0.61 points a game.

So, no. Im not really worried about our FT%.
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tower912

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 03, 2024, 02:20:59 PM
What frustrates me more is our rebounding, especially offensively. Four of our guys around the basket yet the one opposing player under the basket gets the ball and scores.
What you describe is defensive rebounding.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

CTWarrior

Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.
I am.  It's not only that we miss them, but we seem to miss them at crucial junctures.  We do so much else well hopefully it won't come back to bite us.
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 03, 2024, 11:09:09 PM
Raising our season FT% by 4% would put us in the top 50 nationality for FT%.

Raising it by 4% would also have resulted in us making 17.8 more FTs. Divide that by the 29 games we've played and that's a whopping .61 points a game.

So, no. Im not really worried about our FT%.

This

MU shoots FTs at 72%, the national average. FTR is a 2 correlate to MU's offensive efficiency, while eFG% is 98. Shoot eFG% at 57 or better and MU wins most times (only two losses in Shaka's three years when that happened, none this year). Let's focus our collective Scoop angst on Trey shooting consistency.

Newsdreams

Quote from: Disco Hippie on March 03, 2024, 01:29:33 PM
Is anyone else concerned about this team's extremely poor free throw shooting?    In a close game, it could make a difference.
No
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