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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2024, 12:41:23 PM »
I don't know how to break it to you, but on a message board people discuss things.  Hypothetical things, frequently.

Correct. The discussion was already made

You then used a irrelevant counter that was also incorrect
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2024, 12:56:25 PM »
Correct. The discussion was already made

You then used a irrelevant counter that was also incorrect

LOL

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2024, 01:03:41 PM »
I don't know if Tre will be a star, a solid starter, a nice contributor off the bench, a 10 mpg role player or only a garbage-time guy. But I trust Shaka and his track record of players improving under his watch.

So if I had to guess, it would be either the second or third choice on the above list.
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2024, 01:08:04 PM »
I love me some Stevie, but just think about offense on this team if we had Markus starting at the 2. Sure we'd give up some on D, but we'd score 130 points a game. It literally wouldn't be fair to the other team.
Again, people don't seem to understand the value of defense
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2024, 01:23:34 PM »
Again, people don't seem to understand the value of defense

The same folks didn't understand how important Omax was to the team last year.

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2024, 01:26:40 PM »
I don't know how to break it to you, but on a message board people discuss things.  Hypothetical things, frequently.
you are correct!…but beware…you might be called a…dork…or worse, a snowflake 😂

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2024, 03:40:06 PM »
At 3 o’clock in the morning pretty bad, drugged out after having knee replacement surgery
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2024, 05:31:03 PM »
Someone compared Tre to Junior Cadougan, which I thought was apt. I think he can develop into a solid floor general who plays good defense, even if he never becomes a great outside shooting threat.

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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2024, 05:40:26 PM »
Someone compared Tre to Junior Cadougan, which I thought was apt. I think he can develop into a solid floor general who plays good defense, even if he never becomes a great outside shooting threat.

I still see a grad transfer coming in next year if Kolek does not comeback

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2024, 05:45:19 PM »
The same folks didn't understand how important Omax was to the team last year.

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2024, 06:47:30 PM »
Defense is the name of the game. Shut down the opponent and turn into transition offense. My favorite style of basketball.

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2024, 08:10:37 PM »
I still see a grad transfer coming in next year if Kolek does not comeback
You have said this cooouunnnttlesssss times……every chance you get. I am quite confident that you will not be satisfied with Shaka if he doesn’t. Shaka knows what he needs. Maybe just pump the brakes…

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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2024, 08:58:37 PM »
You have said this cooouunnnttlesssss times……every chance you get. I am quite confident that you will not be satisfied with Shaka if he doesn’t. Shaka knows what he needs. Maybe just pump the brakes…

Agreed never again!  When you sleep 3 hours tops every night taking Oxy I barely wonder if I am coherent!

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2024, 10:21:37 PM »
Agreed never again!  When you sleep 3 hours tops every night taking Oxy I barely wonder if I am coherent!

As my daughters might say, TMI?

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2024, 12:12:26 AM »
Again, people don't seem to understand the value of defense

Markus for Stevie is the wrong hypothetical trade.

Markus for Kam is the correct hypothetical trade. Offense goes nuclear and defense doesnt change,  may even improve
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2024, 06:07:15 AM »
Markus for Stevie is the wrong hypothetical trade.

Markus for Kam is the correct hypothetical trade. Offense goes nuclear and defense doesnt change,  may even improve

Careful man, this sort of talk is called irrelevant!

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2024, 06:23:16 AM »
The same folks didn't understand how important Omax was to the team last year.
I don't do advanced stats for bball...but am I right to say our defense ranks better than last year and our offense is worse?

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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2024, 06:28:43 AM »
Careful man, this sort of talk is called irrelevant!
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2024, 06:41:14 AM »
I don't do advanced stats for bball...but am I right to say our defense ranks better than last year and our offense is worse?

Kenpom 23 offense and 16 defense, currently.

Pretty sure you're right.  Our offense was right at the top IIRC, and our defense was in the 40s.

We also have a more experienced team than last year that has been playing and practicing together for a couple of years. 

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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2024, 07:04:07 AM »
The experience of this team needs to play big the rest of the way. Imo, they have shown toughness when needed and it is needed the rest of the way.

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« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2024, 08:01:18 AM »
Kenpom 23 offense and 16 defense, currently.

Pretty sure you're right.  Our offense was right at the top IIRC, and our defense was in the 40s.

We also have a more experienced team than last year that has been playing and practicing together for a couple of years.
Yeah...I understand they are more experienced...but that should show on both sides of the ball?  I wouldn't have guessed swapping O-Max for Jop would result in worse offense and better defense.  I'm guessing there is an explanation in tempo/style of play?

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2024, 08:08:58 AM »
Yeah...I understand they are more experienced...but that should show on both sides of the ball?  I wouldn't have guessed swapping O-Max for Jop would result in worse offense and better defense.  I'm guessing there is an explanation in tempo/style of play?

Yeah, I agree with you.  May also have to do with the opponents played since rankings are relative.

Plus, I think last year Marquette snuck up on a lot of people. 

It's very impressive to keep rankings high even when everyone is gunning for you.

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« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2024, 08:13:12 AM »
In my opinion, continuity is contributing to the defensive improvement.   The top 7 have now played 60 games together.   They have a thorough understanding of the switches and rotations.   This season, there is less full court pressure and more half court trapping, more double teaming the post, more turning/trapping the PG in pick and roll situations. 
 Ben Gold is playing phenomenal team defense this year.    Too many get caught up in the fact that he struggles defending 6'2 guards on the perimeter.   Watch him double the ballhandler and recover.   Watch his help defense.   Watch his post positioning.
   Finally, and this is really going to sound weird, but I was impressed with the walk on defense against DePaul.   Strictly from a scheme standpoint, their rotations, particularly off the ball were good enough to be noticed.   Sure, they got overpowered by scholarship players.   But the walk-ons were rotating and helping.   Good coaching.
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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2024, 09:47:06 AM »
Tower is spot on explaining the defensive improvement.

The offense is really missing O-Max's team best FT rate ( a very good 51.5 according to T rank) and second best true shooting percentage of 61.7%.

Those numbers would also be first and second this year.  Only Oso has had a better TS% in either year.

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Re: Tre Norman
« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2024, 10:00:19 AM »
We also miss OMaxs ability to nuetrailze wings and forwards. Team defense has improved beyond my wildest dreams, but I miss having a guy who we could put on someone like Karaban and say "he doesnt score tonight".
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