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Big Papi

You honestly believe he overreacted yesterday?  Again anyone who saw the replay yesterday would not be questioning the fact that he got hurt yesterday.  Same with the 2 falls he had on his wrist this year.  Its too bad DJ is not tough enough of player in the eyes of most in the Bradley Center.   ::)

The kid gives it his all and yet we have to question his toughness?  Please.  If you honestly believe he overreacted yesterday, I say you and the majority at the BC should air your disappointment to TC, DJ and the new AD.  Maybe you and the BC crowd can establish some sort of toughness requirement that TC has to follow when he recruits players.   ;D


Big Papi

Quote from: ozmetal71 on February 24, 2008, 11:10:14 AM
You and MUCam are both right on this one.  DJ seems to have some sort of major issue every couple of games, and he writhes around on the ground like he was shot, and then he comes back after a few plays like nothing was wrong.  At some point, it becomes natural to question the histrionics, because if these were injuries that were as serious as DJ's reactions made them out to be, he wouldn't be able to come back and play.

I love the kid, he plays tough, and everything, but I get tired of how every time he falls to the ground he acts like someone is cutting his appendix out with a rusty knife.  If you are legitimately hurt, like he was when he had the wrist injury, that is one thing, but cut down on the drama.

Questioning a pattern of overreaction to injuries is perfectly legitimate. 

Did you see the replay of the incident?  Just curious.

muchalktalk

If you watched the Memphis vs Tennessee game, Chisolm fell funny and either tweaked his knee or ankle. He rolled around in pain for a little bit, then he played again later.

I suppose all of the college athletes that fight through pain are just drama queens. Or, maybe some posters on this board should just stop running their mouths and just say thank you to the players.

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: ozmetal71 on February 24, 2008, 11:10:14 AM

Questioning a pattern of overreaction to injuries is perfectly legitimate. 

We can just agree to disagree with this one.

I don't know exactly what qualifies as an "overreaction" (too subjective), but these are college kids playing a game.

If a player gets knocked down, I'm not going to question his reaction(s). Again, he is a 20 yr old kid playing college basketball.

I'm not going to nit-pick because he stays on the floor for 30 seconds and makes a painful face.

It's not hurting anybody. Just like his high-socks aren't hurting anybody :-)


romey

Quote from: ozmetal71 on February 24, 2008, 11:10:14 AM
You and MUCam are both right on this one.  DJ seems to have some sort of major issue every couple of games, and he writhes around on the ground like he was shot, and then he comes back after a few plays like nothing was wrong.  At some point, it becomes natural to question the histrionics, because if these were injuries that were as serious as DJ's reactions made them out to be, he wouldn't be able to come back and play.

You know, it's funny you say this, last night I was watching the Memphis-Tennessee game at a friend's house and we had a discussion regarding injuries on the court.  It was actually brought up by his nephew who is from Brazil and a huge soccer fan but not a basketball fan at all.  He said, "How can guys that are 6 foot eight and 240 pounds get knocked over so easily by a 6 foot 180 pound guy?"  Of course he was referring to the "flop" we are all so familiar with.  The histrionics, as you so aptly refer to this as, are laughable.  In this particular case the ref did not blow the whistle which added to the ridiculousness of those types of antics.

What we really got into in our discussion is how "temporary" some of these so called injuries become when the circumstances change.  I know you've all seen this: A player goes down with an "injury" but play does not immediately stop due to the flow of the game or the action on the court.   The player is writhing in pain on the floor, but suddenly the action returns to his side of the court and he realizes an opportunity to score.  He miraculously gathers himself, gets to his feet for the uncontested layup or dunk.

I'm not saying DJ is "acting" but it made me think of this scene.  Doesn't that almost scream "Hey stop all the action, look at me, I'm hurt."  And I love it when it happens after a particularly bad play by the victim.  He just had his lunch handed to him, or he bounced the ball off his foot, etc.  So look for the pity because you screwed up.

esotericmindguy

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2008, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 23, 2008, 04:12:43 PM
Have you guys not learned from nearly 3 years of this sh*t....he's fine.

If you saw the replay you know that was ugly...stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.  James leg was rolled up on and it did not look good at all.  Nothing like someone not out there playing to question another person's pain threshold.

Ridiculous!  The kid plays hard, he's small and goes in among the giants, he's going to get banged up from time to time.

I don't care if he whines every game, that was a serious ankle roll for anyone to question it looks cheap and ridiculous.

Doesn't matte how it looked.....he is fine, and always is, he milks every injury; the reason opposing fans can't stand him.

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 24, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2008, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 23, 2008, 04:12:43 PM
Have you guys not learned from nearly 3 years of this sh*t....he's fine.

If you saw the replay you know that was ugly...stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.  James leg was rolled up on and it did not look good at all.  Nothing like someone not out there playing to question another person's pain threshold.

Ridiculous!  The kid plays hard, he's small and goes in among the giants, he's going to get banged up from time to time.

I don't care if he whines every game, that was a serious ankle roll for anyone to question it looks cheap and ridiculous.

Doesn't matte how it looked.....he is fine, and always is, he milks every injury; the reason opposing fans can't stand him.

So what?

Why do I care what other fans think?

Now people are critical of DJ for doing something that makes the opposition dislike him?


(also, I would argue that they hate him because he is good, but blame it on the injury stuff...but that should be it's own thread).


MUCrisco

I've sprained my ankle many times.  It hurts.  Then the pain goes away.  What is surprising about that?  One time, I sprained it in a game and I played on it for the rest of the game.  Then, I had to sit out the next game because of it.  Like someone said, adrenaline takes over.  With the way DJ plays, he puts himself in harms way a lot more than your average basketball player.  He is a higher risk for injury.  People want him to penetrate.  Then, when he gets knocked around in there, people complain that he is faking injury.  I don't get it.

esotericmindguy

Quote from: 2002mualum on February 24, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 24, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2008, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 23, 2008, 04:12:43 PM
Have you guys not learned from nearly 3 years of this sh*t....he's fine.

If you saw the replay you know that was ugly...stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.  James leg was rolled up on and it did not look good at all.  Nothing like someone not out there playing to question another person's pain threshold.

Ridiculous!  The kid plays hard, he's small and goes in among the giants, he's going to get banged up from time to time.

I don't care if he whines every game, that was a serious ankle roll for anyone to question it looks cheap and ridiculous.

Doesn't matte how it looked.....he is fine, and always is, he milks every injury; the reason opposing fans can't stand him.

So what?

Why do I care what other fans think?

Now people are critical of DJ for doing something that makes the opposition dislike him?


(also, I would argue that they hate him because he is good, but blame it on the injury stuff...but that should be it's own thread).



You're missing the point, if you would think objectively you would agree the guy milks every injury...its really annoying.  Its not about caring about what opposing fans think, I'm not losing sleep about it.  It just goes to show that he's a drama queen.  Apparently the "god given talent" that he so dashingly dons doesn't prevent rolling on the ground over a hang nail. 

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If that happened to you, you would be on crutches for weeks
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Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 24, 2008, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: 2002mualum on February 24, 2008, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 24, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2008, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 23, 2008, 04:12:43 PM
Have you guys not learned from nearly 3 years of this sh*t....he's fine.

If you saw the replay you know that was ugly...stop.  You're embarrassing yourself.  James leg was rolled up on and it did not look good at all.  Nothing like someone not out there playing to question another person's pain threshold.

Ridiculous!  The kid plays hard, he's small and goes in among the giants, he's going to get banged up from time to time.

I don't care if he whines every game, that was a serious ankle roll for anyone to question it looks cheap and ridiculous.

Doesn't matte how it looked.....he is fine, and always is, he milks every injury; the reason opposing fans can't stand him.

So what?

Why do I care what other fans think?

Now people are critical of DJ for doing something that makes the opposition dislike him?


(also, I would argue that they hate him because he is good, but blame it on the injury stuff...but that should be it's own thread).



You're missing the point, if you would think objectively you would agree the guy milks every injury...its really annoying.  Its not about caring about what opposing fans think, I'm not losing sleep about it.  It just goes to show that he's a drama queen.  Apparently the "god given talent" that he so dashingly dons doesn't prevent rolling on the ground over a hang nail. 

Well, I can't say that I agree, but I understand your point now.

However, in your initial post you stated that opposing fans don't like him because he acts like he's hurt. I would argue that opposing fans are not very objective, so I don't think that helps your point of view.

Anyway, I still don't get why people are making an issue or are so annoyed by this. Even if you do think he's "overreacting", please tell me how it actually effects the game. I just don't see it.

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