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Goose

muggsy

Pretty easy formula for MU, keep playing lockdown D, pass the ball and make their shots. It is going to be a fun next couple of months.

GoFastAndWin

Quote from: MU82 on February 05, 2024, 07:48:32 AM
Well, there is no other way to use Sean Jones than to have him on the ball. He would not help space the court at all standing outside the 3-point line and waiting for passes.

Numerous Scoopers, while expressing disappointment on behalf of Sean, did opine that the offense likely would operate better with Kolek on the ball more. And that has proven correct.

Sean's contributions this season - huge shots against Illinois and UCLA, and a great performance against Creighton - will not and should not be forgotten. We quite possibly go 0-3 in those games without him. I love the kid's energy and tenacity, too. But it's hard to argue against the notion that this team's best chance at March/April success will come with Kolek on the ball as much as possible.

   Phenomenal post! Could not encapsulate my feelings any more. And of course, with an emphasis on appreciating Sean's massive leap this year and also adding how he's lately become a valuable coach with a keen eye.

   Wishing him a speedy recovery and that he comes back better than ever next year.

GoFastAndWin

#102
Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 10:53:21 AM
muggsy

Pretty easy formula for MU, keep playing lockdown D, pass the ball and make their shots. It is going to be a fun next couple of months.

Exactly, Goose.

   I don't want to beat a dead horse, no pun intended, as I started a thread on the subject of the speed at which we play, both in the half court and in transition... but I would add only that we continue to look to pick apart defenses with our amazing combination of decisive speed and precision.

   As we get nearer to March, I expect the coaching staff to prepare our guys to exhort and exploit this same level of decisiveness, speed, and precision against more physical teams. Shaka and his brilliant staff know how to press our advantages, and I can't wait for the post-season.

Goose

GoFast

I watched a good amount of basketball this weekend and UConn looked like the best of the bunch from what I saw. Watching UW-Purdue game and thought if MU is playing well, I would take MU in a best of seven series against both of them. Having two AA's is a special treat especially when you have the additional pieces MU has on the roster. I was very high on them in November, like many MU fans, and higher on them now. I am very much looking forward to the UConn game to see how they matchup.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 11:17:44 AM
GoFast

I watched a good amount of basketball this weekend and UConn looked like the best of the bunch from what I saw. Watching UW-Purdue game and thought if MU is playing well, I would take MU in a best of seven series against both of them. Having two AA's is a special treat especially when you have the additional pieces MU has on the roster. I was very high on them in November, like many MU fans, and higher on them now. I am very much looking forward to the UConn game to see how they matchup.

I think Purdue is the real deal as well.  Not many teams go into the Troll Center and shoot more FTs than UW-Madison.

They waxed them on the glass, too, a key advantage the Badgers have had all season.  Doing that against them in Madison impressed me.

They're 5th in the nation in 3-point shooting and won yesterday only making 3.  They got help from Wisconsin going 3-19 in the same category but that place was hype yesterday for that game and Purdue never looked rattled until the final minute and even then, they made their free throws and got good shots.

I think they're a terrible matchup for Marquette and hope to avoid them until the Final 4, tbh.
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The Sultan

Regarding Purdue, I wonder if we could pressure their guards more on the perimeter to make it harder to initiate their offense. I know they tried to do that with only occasional success in Maui, but I wonder if it would be different not having played two games the two days prior.
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MuggsyB

#106
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2024, 11:24:43 AM
I think Purdue is the real deal as well.  Not many teams go into the Troll Center and shoot more FTs than UW-Madison.

They waxed them on the glass, too, a key advantage the Badgers have had all season.  Doing that against them in Madison impressed me.

They're 5th in the nation in 3-point shooting and won yesterday only making 3.  They got help from Wisconsin going 3-19 in the same category but that place was hype yesterday for that game and Purdue never looked rattled until the final minute and even then, they made their free throws and got good shots.

I think they're a terrible matchup for Marquette and hope to avoid them until the Final 4, tbh.

We matched up pretty well with them in Honolulu but they made a lot of threes.  Remember we can turn them over.  That potential match-up doesn't scare me at all. 

GoFastAndWin

Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 11:17:44 AM
GoFast

I watched a good amount of basketball this weekend and UConn looked like the best of the bunch from what I saw. Watching UW-Purdue game and thought if MU is playing well, I would take MU in a best of seven series against both of them. Having two AA's is a special treat especially when you have the additional pieces MU has on the roster. I was very high on them in November, like many MU fans, and higher on them now. I am very much looking forward to the UConn game to see how they matchup.

Goose,
It's going to be very difficult to foist two losses upon UCONN, and I believe that's our only route to a repeat regular season title, as it would give us a tie-breaker, assuming no losses  for either team in remaining games. I expected St John's to eek out a W over the Huskies this past weekend; didn't happen. 

All this being said, this year I don't care about non-NCAA hardware. Shaka and staff have done a masterful job all year at keeping one eye on the postseason, while still getting the team supremely focused on each game.

Just as TKO has used the peripheral "noise" as motivation, don't think that Shaka hasn't heard the questions about his supposed post-season coaching shortcomings.

This should be fun. 🤩 🏀

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: Uncle Rico link=topic=65551.msg1619593#msg1619593 date=1707153883

I think they're a terrible matchup for Marquette and hope to avoid them until the Final 4, tbh.
/quote]

Besides Edey being a problem for almost any team, I'm curious on the specifics as to your reasoning that they are a bad matchup. Not disagreeing-just asking.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 05, 2024, 11:46:38 AM
[quote author=Uncle Rico link=topic=65551.msg1619593#msg1619593 date=1707153883

I think they're a terrible matchup for Marquette and hope to avoid them until the Final 4, tbh.


Besides Edey being a problem for almost any team, I'm curious on the specifics as to your reasoning that they are a bad matchup. Not disagreeing-just asking.

Killing Marquette on the glass and getting to the FT line.  You can't give Purdue extra possessions.

Muggsy is correct, you want to turn them over.

Purdue "has to" prove it this year.  There will be a lot of pressure on them to make the second weekend at the minimum and probably a Final 4 at this point.  I think that helps. 
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Shooter McGavin

Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 10:53:21 AM
muggsy

Pretty easy formula for MU, keep playing lockdown D, pass the ball and make their shots. It is going to be a fun next couple of months.


Are you saying that even if we are scouted already but keep making open shots we'll be ok?

MU82

Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2024, 11:24:43 AM
I think Purdue is the real deal as well.  Not many teams go into the Troll Center and shoot more FTs than UW-Madison.

They waxed them on the glass, too, a key advantage the Badgers have had all season.  Doing that against them in Madison impressed me.

They're 5th in the nation in 3-point shooting and won yesterday only making 3.  They got help from Wisconsin going 3-19 in the same category but that place was hype yesterday for that game and Purdue never looked rattled until the final minute and even then, they made their free throws and got good shots.

I think they're a terrible matchup for Marquette and hope to avoid them until the Final 4, tbh.

I respect Purdue - especially Edey, who takes a lot of shyte from other teams' jealous fans.

But if memory serves, we outscored them by something like 8-10 points when Oso was on the floor.

They're a tough matchup for us or anybody else ... but the opposite also is true - Marquette's a tough matchup. I believe it could come down to something as simple as whichever team shoots better from 3 winning the game.

Like you, I'd prefer we don't play them until the Final Four ... but then again, I'd say that about any possible opponent because it would mean we're in the Final Four!
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PJDunn

Getting back to the title of this thread...we match up better against Purdue if we have Sean Jones. He the kind of quick, defensive nightmare that bothers Purdue's guards.

MU82

Quote from: PJDunn on February 05, 2024, 02:56:19 PM
Getting back to the title of this thread...we match up better against Purdue if we have Sean Jones. He the kind of quick, defensive nightmare that bothers Purdue's guards.

Well, we seem to play them every year, so he'll get the chance next season.
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Dr. Blackheart

This is some Scoop whack. So Sean blowing out his ACL sooner against Butler would have prevented Tyler from going 1-13 from the field?

PJDunn

Probably a meat eater take, let's not disparage all of scoop.

Stretchdeltsig

No one seems to care how Sean is doing? How's his recovery going?  Despite the negativity expressed here, we need Sean as a vital member of next season's team. He's a difference maker!

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 05, 2024, 04:21:36 PM
No one seems to care how Sean is doing? How's his recovery going?  Despite the negativity expressed here, we need Sean as a vital member of next season's team. He's a difference maker!

There has not been a single negative post or one saying hes not going to be a vital member of the team next year.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

tower912

Sean gave a postgame speech after the Georgetown game.   Leaning on crutches.   Only 3 ish weeks post surgery.   I hope he is well, but there probably isn't much to tell.
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BCHoopster

Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2024, 04:25:24 PM
Sean gave a postgame speech after the Georgetown game.   Leaning on crutches.   Only 3 ish weeks post surgery.   I hope he is well, but there probably isn't much to tell.

Depending on what Tyler is going to do, Sean is a nice backup point, Norman does not look like Tyler's replacement so Shaka has to be thinking portal.

Galway Eagle

I like Sean a lot but I think that it's important to ask if he can regain his best asset which is his speed. He's not a knock down 3pt shooter, he's not some crazy athlete, had a few great dishes but not to the level we saw from Tyler his sophomore year. In order to be effective Sean needs that blow by speed again and if Shaka doesn't see that returning I hope he strongly considers the portal or really throwing Tre into the fire.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 05, 2024, 04:46:06 PM
I like Sean a lot but I think that it's important to ask if he can regain his best asset which is his speed. He's not a knock down 3pt shooter, he's not some crazy athlete, had a few great dishes but not to the level we saw from Tyler his sophomore year. In order to be effective Sean needs that blow by speed again and if Shaka doesn't see that returning I hope he strongly considers the portal or really throwing Tre into the fire.

Expecting Sean to be fully effective next year seems unlikely.
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Scoop Snoop

I hope MUDPT weighs in with some professional based comments. Meanwhile, here's something from Cleveland Clinic that includes info about recovery:


https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16576-acl-tear
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 05, 2024, 04:25:03 PM
There has not been a single negative post or one saying hes not going to be a vital member of the team next year.

Sean will not be a vital member of the team next season. Maybe the season after.  He's gotta long recovery ahead
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TAMU

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The Lens

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 05, 2024, 09:19:33 PM
Sean will not be a vital member of the team next season. Maybe the season after.  He's gotta long recovery ahead

Have heard similar. 
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