Sad Trombone

[JakeBarnes]

I must have been watching a different game then - in the one I saw most of his misses were terrible- even w decently open looks. The shot doesn't go that far off, that often if you're just having a night where they don't fall

I'm not really worried about his shot. I am worried about this idea he has that he has a dribble drive game. That hurt us far more than. his shot.

[mileskishnish72]

How many timeouts did Shaka bank today? Seriously, when you have guys that have to play as many minutes as we do, why not give them a blow now and then? Today it certainly wouldn't have disrupted our game flow, as if we had one  for all except 8 minutes.

[marqfan22]

Shaka not being able to win this rivalry is becoming an issue for me.

A majority of Marquette’s enrollment is from out of state. This game doesn’t mean much for most involved.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Your premise categorically incorrect.

The offensive philosophy favors dribble drives, cutting, and points in the paint. We hammered Kansas, UCLA, and Purdue in this category despite being significantly “out-sized” against all three.

The issue today was Wisconsin gameplanned against this by building a Toronto Raptors style wall and cutting off passing lanes while leaving our “shooters” naked. We played the style of basketball they wanted us to.

They also took away our other big strength of forcing turnovers and chaos to makeup for a lack of rebounding and second chance points. This has always been Wisconsin’s strength which unfortunately neutralizes Shaka’s style in this rivalry (at least for the past three years).

This is the exact type of team we have to learn to beat. Michigan State did not play too differently to beat us in the NCAAs. We will run into another team that plays this style of ball in the NCAAs if we think we’re winning a championship or going to a Final Four.

<sigh> Your lack of basketball knowledge is frustrating, but not surprising.

Yes they want points in the paint. But they also want threes when the defense clogs the lane. And they just don't have the shooters to make good defensive teams pay.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

He was actually a decent member 3 years ago then something happened. Mods won’t ban him though because of what happened

Because MU hired a black head coach. He's been quite clear about it.

[panda]

Because MU hired a black head coach. He's been quite clear about it.

Broken brain

[5DollarPitcher]

<sigh> Your lack of basketball knowledge is frustrating, but not surprising.

Yes they want points in the paint. But they also want threes when the defense clogs the lane. And they just don't have the shooters to make good defensive teams pay.

When the offense is humming, we are scoring in the paint off dribble drives from Kam, Jones, TK, dribble handoffs from Oso, and hard cuts from Ross, Joplin, and Mitchell.

This is not a Mike Budenholzer 5 out team. We are not built to bury you from deep.

Would it be nice if we had more consistency from the open guys in the corner when Option A is taken away? (Looking at you Stevie, Sean Jones, Joplin). Absolutely. But that doesn’t make us a team with an offensive philosophy built around three point shooting as you originally suggested.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

When the offense is humming, we are scoring in the paint off dribble drives from Kam, Jones, TK, dribble handoffs from Oso, and hard cuts from Ross, Joplin, and Mitchell.

This is not a Mike Budenholzer 5 out team. We are not built to bury you from deep.

Would it be nice if we had more consistency from the open guys in the corner when Option A is taken away? (Looking at you Stevie, Sean Jones, Joplin). Absolutely. But that doesn’t make us a team with an offensive philosophy built around three point shooting as you originally suggested.

No kidding they aren't built to bury you from deep. That's the whole point. Their philosophy is built around scoring in the lane AND from deep. Good defenses (like MSU last year and UW today) can take one of those things away. Marquette can't consistently make them pay for that.

From the Athletic.  Read the whole thing, but I quoted below.

https://theathletic.com/4052114/2023/01/03/marquette-shaka-smart-tyler-kolek/

"Smart hired Nevada Smith, a former Division III and G League coach known for playing fast and shooting a ton of 3s, as Texas’ director of program development. (The first team Smith coached in the G League shot 45.4 3s and just one mid-range attempt per game.) Smart also connected with Northwest Missouri State coach Ben McCollum, a name sent to him when he was looking to replace an assistant coach. McCollum had already won two Division II national titles — he’s since won two more — and his teams were scoring at historically efficient rates. Smart told McCollum he should remain a head coach, but he still wanted to learn from him."

[cheese ball chaser]

When was the last time we got court stormed?

[Johnny B]

When was the last time we got court stormed?

Funny This may be the first time. Unless court storming was a thing in the 70s

[panda]

Par for panda

Shouldn’t you be watching msnbc now ?

[marqfan22]

Funny This may be the first time. Unless court storming was a thing in the 70s

I remember East Carolina stormed after beating a top 10 MU in 2003

[tower912]

Was the season over?

[RushmoreAcademy]

One game.  Clean some stuff up. Eyes on Texas and move forward.

[TVDirector]

Over impressed with themselves?- young persons disease. 
Read the hype and believe it…. Gotta prove it might in and night out.  Otherwise you gotta be changing fecal stain bed linen way too often. 

[Superfan]

It’s always tough losing, especially to Wisconsin. But this week a lot of good ranked teams have been losing. Duke lost to Georgia Tech today. As frustrated as I am about today’s game, Shaka will make some adjustments and we will move forward. There’s a long season left in a lot of games to play. We will be fine.

[MuggsyB]

There are some pretty amazing stats in this one.  How about the fact that no one on Whisky hit a 3 other than Klesmit and they had zero in tbe 2H. 

[tower912]

Shaka says.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_104WL-A_Co


Time to be a big boy. 

Just play harder...

[Johnny B]

It’s always tough losing, especially to Wisconsin. But this week a lot of good ranked teams have been losing. Duke lost to Georgia Tech today. As frustrated as I am about today’s game, Shaka will make some adjustments and we will move forward. There’s a long season left in a lot of games to play. We will be fine.

Kentucky also lost at Home to a freakin no name cup cake

[rocky_warrior]

Kentucky also lost at Home to a freakin no name cup cake

It feels like they do that every year.  But I'm not really keeping track.

[Johnny B]

They did at least year.
Can’t forget the s h it storm the fans raised after that one.

[Viper]

I kind of care, basically my whole family (who all live in the Milwaukee area) are Badger fans, so I pretty much have to watch with them, and now when I’m invested in the team we have to lose every year to the critters.

last season worked out ok in terms of the RED hoard trash talk since we won the BE, BE tourney and had a high tournament seed to their bottom feeder conf finish and NIT. Hopefully we can duplicate a year ago, only better. Otherwise, the December’24 rematch is a long 12 months away (would love to play them again in March in the tournament, if the ncaa would gift us that).

[WarriorFan]

Despite Scoop's resident comedian's snarks, Shaka and Nevada have not beat a gap containment defense while at MU (Miss State, MSU, Badgers (3), Purdue (2)). Yes, that means mid-range has to be a viable option. They struggled at Texas too. Piss poor performance by the coaching staff.

As to shooting, it's a MAJOR concern despite no NBA arc stripes.

This is exactly the point.  There are teams with prevailing philosophies (and the ability to execute) who can beat MU if MU doesn't make some adjustments.  Simply tell Kam and Kokel that open mid-range jumpers are OK when there is a wall preventing the drive and suddenly the game changes. 

The shooters not shooting well makes it even worse.  Maybe even Jop heats up if he hits the forbidden 15 footer.  I know the metrics say these are bad shots.  I'd rather win with bad shots than lose with 3's and layups.  How did 'nova win so many tournament games?  Guards who can hit floaters and mid-range jumpers.  It's not something for every game because MU's prevailing style is going to beat 95% of teams.  Problem is we need to beat 100% to win the NCAA tournament. 

As for Jop - he probably needs a game or two of 10-15 minutes off the bench against the other team's reserves to see if he can get his game back.  Gold played like crap today and he outplayed Jop... and it's the 3rd game in a row like that. 

[5DollarPitcher]

This is exactly the point.  There are teams with prevailing philosophies (and the ability to execute) who can beat MU if MU doesn't make some adjustments.  Simply tell Kam and Kokel that open mid-range jumpers are OK when there is a wall preventing the drive and suddenly the game changes. 

The shooters not shooting well makes it even worse.  Maybe even Jop heats up if he hits the forbidden 15 footer.  I know the metrics say these are bad shots.  I'd rather win with bad shots than lose with 3's and layups.  How did 'nova win so many tournament games?  Guards who can hit floaters and mid-range jumpers.  It's not something for every game because MU's prevailing style is going to beat 95% of teams.  Problem is we need to beat 100% to win the NCAA tournament. 

As for Jop - he probably needs a game or two of 10-15 minutes off the bench against the other team's reserves to see if he can get his game back.  Gold played like crap today and he outplayed Jop... and it's the 3rd game in a row like that.

Exactly correct

[Daniel]

We are so far, far from the elite offensively efficient team we were last year.   Combined with poor rebounding - Shaka said  today UW got 52% of their offensive rebounds versus our 18% - combined with poor free throw shooting and overall poor shooting this year, it makes for tough games.  Shaka and the team will clean up some of this - try Lowery in there to try to get some deflections and rebounds.  Go Marquette!