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This season's X-Factor
« on: November 29, 2023, 01:22:08 PM »
There's one area where Marquette needs to be a lot better in order to reach their ceiling:  3 point shooting from the role players.

The top three 3FG shooters are doing well.

Kam Jones 42.1% on 5.4 3FGA per game
David Joplin 39.4% on 4.7 3FGA per game
Tyler Kolek 52.4% on 3.0 3FGA per game

That's a collective 43.5% on 13.1 3FGA per game.  Truly excellent numbers.

But while those three have been excellent, the group of Stevie Mitchell, Chase Ross, Sean Jones, and Ben Gold has struggled to find consistency from long range. 

*Edit*
The quartet has shot a combined 15-71 from long range.  That's a paltry 21.1% on 10.1 3FGA per game.
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If Marquette is going to reach another level, improving those shooting numbers will be key.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2023, 03:07:50 PM by Juan Anderson's Mixtape »

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2023, 01:50:28 PM »
I think your numbers are wrong. 16 - 51 would be about 31%.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2023, 01:59:43 PM »
Those guys are actually a combined 15 - 71, which is a brutal 21.1%.

Sean and Stevie are 5-36 combined. 

A couple of them need to step it up. 

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2023, 02:10:38 PM »
Mitchell  3 for 20   15%
S. Jones 2 for 16.  12%
Gold.     6 for 21.   28%
Ross.     4 for 14.   28%

Total.     15 for 71  21%

The stats do not reflect Mitchell's airballs or the fact he is usually wide open and not a defense player within 6 to 7 feet.  When he shoots the ball, its almost as if he is like "shot putting" the ball or heaving it from his waist area.

The three others have good form and hopefully they start dropping these threes at a much better pace.  I agree that it is an essential factor moving forward. 

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2023, 02:12:01 PM »
Those guys are actually a combined 15 - 71, which is a brutal 21.1%.

Sean and Stevie are 5-36 combined. 

A couple of them need to step it up.

Agreed.  And it's not just 15-71, it's 15-71 on primarily uncontested shots. Both Sean and Ben have made a few under some pressure, especially JTY vs UCLA.  They are more than capable of shooting at a significantly better clip on wide open spot triples.  As I stated before, if we're able to get more consistency from these guys, meaning closer to 30 -33%,  we become an extremely difficult team to beat.  I for one believe they can turn these percentages around. 

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2023, 02:16:33 PM »
Agreed.  And it's not just 15-71, it's 15-71 on primarily uncontested shots. Both Sean and Ben have made a few under some pressure, especially JTY vs UCLA.  They are more than capable of shooting at a significantly better clip on wide open spot triples.  As I stated before, if we're able to get more consistency from these guys, meaning closer to 30 -33%,  we become an extremely difficult team to beat.  I for one believe they can turn these percentages around.

Based upon what? I'm looking for specific reasons.
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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2023, 02:23:51 PM »
Based upon what? I'm looking for specific reasons.
I think Ross and Gold can improve. They have good form and both shoot free throws well which (pulling a stat from my tush) seems to correlate with overall shooting. I'm less optimistic about Stevie and Sean getting to the mid-30's percetage wise.
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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2023, 02:27:01 PM »
Thanks to all who corrected my numbers.  Edited to the correct numbers...which are even worse than originally stated.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2023, 02:33:34 PM »
Based upon what? I'm looking for specific reasons.

Because each one of them shot it better last season?  Obviously not impressive numbers but not abysmal like we've seen so far:

-Steve: 30%
-Chase: 32.3%
-Sean: 31.7%
-Ben: 30%

I have more confidence in Ben and Chase improving their numbers but I also can't imagine Sean and Stevie continuing to shoot 14%.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2023, 02:34:36 PM »
I think your numbers are wrong. 16 - 51 would be about 31%.

I actually calculated 15-61 for 24.6%.  I had 2 typos in my post (16 instead of 15,  and 51 instead of 61).

And on top of that, I originally miscalculated the number of attempts.  Should have been 71.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2023, 02:40:37 PM »
Simon Cowell will push the X Factor's golden Buzzer sending Marquette straight to the NCAA Championship game. So no concerns.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2023, 02:51:18 PM »
Stevie and Sean have been BRUTAL…

But, Sean hit the HUGE / game winner type shot v. UCLA. 

Stevie’s shots are painful to watch at the moment

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2023, 02:56:19 PM »
I actually calculated 15-61 for 24.6%.  I had 2 typos in my post (16 instead of 15,  and 51 instead of 61).

And on top of that, I originally miscalculated the number of attempts.  Should have been 71.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2023, 03:03:35 PM »
There's one area where Marquette needs to be a lot better in order to reach their ceiling:  3 point shooting from the role players.

The top three 3FG shooters are doing well.

Kam Jones 42.1% on 5.4 3FGA per game
David Joplin 39.4% on 4.7 3FGA per game
Tyler Kolek 52.4% on 3.0 3FGA per game

That's a collective 43.5% on 13.1 3FGA per game.  Truly excellent numbers.

But while those three have been excellent, the group of Stevie Mitchell, Chase Ross, Sean Jones, and Ben Gold has struggled to find consistency from long range. 

*Edit*
The quartet has shot combined 15-71 from long range.  That's a paltry 21.1% on 10.1 3FGA per game.
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If Marquette is going to reach another level, improving those shooting numbers will be key.
Spot on...will be the difference between a good and a great year. 

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2023, 03:16:13 PM »
Because each one of them shot it better last season?  Obviously not impressive numbers but not abysmal like we've seen so far:

-Steve: 30%
-Chase: 32.3%
-Sean: 31.7%
-Ben: 30%

I have more confidence in Ben and Chase improving their numbers but I also can't imagine Sean and Stevie continuing to shoot 14%.

Thank you, and TSmith as well. Not trying to be difficult, but scoopers simply stating that those struggling with 3s will improve without any reasons given does not mean much. 
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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2023, 03:21:14 PM »
Based upon what? I'm looking for specific reasons.

I think it's too small of a sample size and besides Stevie their form looks fine to me.  Ben needs more arc for sure.  There's no doubt they've had their probs but I think they can turn tbe corner so to speak. 

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2023, 03:44:41 PM »
I think it's too small of a sample size and besides Stevie their form looks fine to me. 

And there was so much optimism about Stevie's shooting less than a month ago:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64592.msg1580362#msg1580362

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2023, 03:51:48 PM »
And there was so much optimism about Stevie's shooting less than a month ago:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64592.msg1580362#msg1580362

That's also hard to understand.  I these guys are knocking down open J"s in practice. 

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2023, 03:54:37 PM »
If I had a dime for whenever I have heard the phrase "<player who doesn't shoot well> has really been working on their shot. They are going to be so much more of a threat from deep this year," only to have that not be the case, I would be a wealthy man.
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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2023, 04:01:39 PM »
I actually calculated 15-61 for 24.6%.  I had 2 typos in my post (16 instead of 15,  and 51 instead of 61).

And on top of that, I originally miscalculated the number of attempts.  Should have been 71.

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2023, 04:05:14 PM »
I actually calculated 15-61 for 24.6%.  I had 2 typos in my post (16 instead of 15,  and 51 instead of 61).

And on top of that, I originally miscalculated the number of attempts.  Should have been 71.

Management regrets the errors.
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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2023, 04:07:47 PM »
I think it's too small of a sample size and besides Stevie their form looks fine to me.  Ben needs more arc for sure.  There's no doubt they've had their probs but I think they can turn tbe corner so to speak.
Dunno. Stevie's looks like a two-handed push shot.

If he takes only wide-open 3s and can get to 33% that would be good enough.
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2023, 05:04:12 PM »
Thank you, and TSmith as well. Not trying to be difficult, but scoopers simply stating that those struggling with 3s will improve without any reasons given does not mean much.
He gave a reason……that they shot better last year than they are currently….which certainly can be done again.
Why do you think that they those four can’t shoot better than they are now?

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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2023, 06:10:34 PM »
He gave a reason……that they shot better last year than they are currently….which certainly can be done again.
Why do you think that they those four can’t shoot better than they are now?

I never said nor implied that they could not. I was simply asking how and why they would become better.
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Re: This season's X-Factor
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2023, 06:28:51 PM »
Here are a couple of good things:
1.  The offense that MU runs is creating lots of open looks which is excellent.
2.  Ben, Chase and for the most part STJ need to refine their shot instead of reinventing it.   Stevie looks like reinvention time.

But yeah… get these guys cranking inhe plus 30% range and wow … tough team ti beat
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