Are you a Warrior or a Golden Eagle?

[Farley36]

Yes. The majority of Gen X Marquette alumni would have been Warriors.

I am GenX and both I guess.  Warriors for 2 years and GEs for 2 years.

[drbob]

Warrior   1968 to 1975 in school

[Dr. Blackheart]

Dtd, 'Warriors' is not in and of itself racist.  I miss it.   When I see the old logos posted by Viper in the MU court thread, I understand why native American tribes pressured MU to move away from Warriors.    Those are odious and unacceptable.    Granted, MU had already moved away from them, but not far enough or fast enough.   And because that imagery would always be around as long as the Warriors nickname was associated with MU, a clean break was probably the best solution. 
     Still, 30 years later,  we have posters using this imagery as a laugh, to make a point, or as an avatar.    I think the native American tribes may have had a point.   
  So, I miss the Warriors nickname, but every time I see the old logos, I understand why it is gone forever.

Willie Wampum and the cartoons went away in 1971. Students voted it out then, of which, many who visit Scoop today. Warriors meant something to those students back then.

The name Warriors went away, despite attempts at appropriate alternatives, 23 years later, sold out by a bad president who also wanted MUBB to drop down to DIII. In addition to effing up most of the university. The tradition could and should have been maintained, and the reality is the imagery and the name had long been separated when it was dropped. Conflating the two, with almost a quarter century apart, is not really correct.

Most resistance to the switch is and continues because the tradition was sold out. No different then with the Gold fiasco or when Pilarz came around. Outreach hasn't historically been a MU strength.

[The Sultan]

Willie Wampum and the cartoons went away in 1971. Students voted it out then, of which, many who visit Scoop today. Warriors meant something to those students back then.

The name Warriors went away, despite attempts at appropriate alternatives, 23 years later, sold out by a bad president who also wanted MUBB to drop down to DIII. In addition to effing up most of the university. The tradition could and should have been maintained, and the reality is the imagery and the name had long been separated when it was dropped. Conflating the two, with almost a quarter century apart, is not really correct.

Native imagery was absolutely not separated from the Warriors nickname when the latter was changed. They used it in their logo that very season.

[Viper]

awesome

[Hards Alumni]

...I just wish the BOD's had listened to some of the great points made by my ol buddy The First Warrior in favor of remaining Warriors. I know he made attempts to connect. But, got nowhere. And, the decision was pretty much made to move in the current direction...as St. John's had done, Miami/Ohio and others, but I do miss Warriors. (Maybe I'd feel better about it if Golden Eagles was not the nickname. Fortunately, imo, most swag is 'MU' and less Golden Eagles)

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but one kid doesn't speak for everyone who was being represented.  Even if they had listened, I doubt they could have been convinced.

[Daniel]

Warrior.  Was  in grad school at MU the championship year!  Ahhh!

[lawdog77]

Not sure to give credit to, but someone here said we should be the Worriers. I would go with that.

[GoFastAndWin]

The University of Illinois is studying removing "Fighting Illini" as its nickname. Leading the list of replacements right now is....wait for it.... "Belted Kingfishers"🐦.

[Jay Bee]

Did they not get to play?

That year, yes, barely. Then had to disband

[Lighthouse 84]

Warriors. All day, every day. 

[Herman Cain]

Yeah this is what I meant by "respectful Native imagery."  This is way better than the Willie Wampum nonsense, and clearly Marquette tried to do something that had meaning. And I'm glad your friend has fond memories.  But that was never going to be sustainable.

When they dropped Willie, and they had gone in the direction of something like Wisconsin Lutheran College has now, they will still be Warriors now.

https://wlcsports.com/sports/2022/5/24/fans-mascot.aspx

That photo in The Wisconsin Lutheran story is of their football team. MU needs a football team too.

[The Sultan]

That photo in The Wisconsin Lutheran story is of their football team. MU needs a football team too.

Wisconsin Lutheran is just blocks from MCW. We can hit the trifecta of eternal Scoop topics all in one thread!

[Lennys Tap]

The University of Illinois is studying removing "Fighting Illini" as its nickname. Leading the list of replacements right now is....wait for it.... "Belted Kingfishers"🐦.

Given that George "Kingfish" Stevens was the main character in the Amos and Andy series I doubt that one flies (or swims).

[Uncle Rico]

That year, yes, barely. Then had to disband

They disbanded because of the name?

[dgies9156]

I'm a Warrior. I suspect there were two reasons for the switch. The first is that Marquette was trying to put distance between itself and ole Willie, who was a derogatory characterture of Native American people. If I was Native American, I'd consider Willie offensive because, darn it, he was.

Second, the NCAA was cracking down on Native American Imagery. The Chief at Illinois was dispatched for the same reason and the Chief hardly was derogatory. Stanford got rid of the Indians, St. John's the Redmen etc., for largely the same reason. I still don't understand how Florida State got a pass, but they did.

At the end of the day, the Warriors name elicits fond memories of when we were really, really good. We were a different institution back then -- more gritty, probably more determined and our nasty, aggressive and successful basketball team reflected the attitude of the university community at the time. Today, I miss the Warriors but not because I miss the symbolism but because I miss the people and the times in which Marquette was "Marquette!"

Go where we think we're going this year and folks, who cares what they call us!

[Jay Bee]

They disbanded because of the name?

Pressure from the woke crowd because of the logo doomed the franchise. So, instead we get to watch Warrior greats ball for Boeheim's  Army.

[muwarrior69]

Well it took the Warriors 23 years to win a Natty. The Golden Eagles are into year 30 and yet have not won a game beyond the Elite 8.

[Galway Eagle]

Well it took the Warriors 23 years to win a Natty. The Golden Eagles are into year 30 and yet have not won a game beyond the Elite 8.

On the other hand, the Warriors had some of the worst seasons in MU history, I think there's some over emphasizing the Warriors = Al's teams, when in fact there's what 6 or 7 coaches that also coached warriors teams with extremely varied results but most of which would've been called "Wojo" or even worse

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All that said, this whole "warriors did this, golden eagles did that" attitude is ridiculous. I used to call people like that on Phonathon where they'd say "I didn't go to the same school you are, we were warriors" completely idiotic to tie up your mentality with a mascot.

[muwarrior69]

OK, who is the Hilltopper? Must be pushing 90, congrats!

[Skatastrophy]

Pressure from the woke crowd because of the logo doomed the franchise. So, instead we get to watch Warrior greats ball for Boeheim's  Army.

I thought the "woke crowd" brought up that the Ultimate Warrior was a bigot and the team decided on their own not to associate with a guy like that. My memory isn't great, though, because of all the reefer cigarettes at the woke parties.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past

[muwarrior69]

On the other hand, the Warriors had some of the worst seasons in MU history, I think there's some over emphasizing the Warriors = Al's teams, when in fact there's what 6 or 7 coaches that also coached warriors teams with extremely varied results but most of which would've been called "Wojo" 

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All that said, this whole "warriors did this, golden eagles did that" attitude is ridiculous. I used to call people like that on Phonathon where they'd say "I didn't go to the same school you are, we were warriors" completely idiotic to tie up your mentality with a mascot.

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...but you can't take that Natty away. Sorry I upset you Galway Eagle.

[Galway Eagle]

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...but you can't take that Natty away. Sorry I upset you Galway Eagle.

Sorry I wasn't calling you idiotic but saying that about the mentality of some people that I called during phonathon. I was saying your idea of separating warriors vs golden eagles is lighter version less ridiculous though  not idiotic... just selectively ignoring 1/2 the warriors nickname tenure.

[rocket surgeon]

i will NOT buy anything with that golden sparrow on it.  my sis in law once got me a sweatshirt with that bird on the shoulder-duct tape-cuz it was a pretty sharp shirt and i didn't want to offend her for trying.  btw, the duct tape made it thru numerous wash/dry cycles

[Uncle Rico]

i will NOT buy anything with that golden sparrow on it.  my sis in law once got me a sweatshirt with that bird on the shoulder-duct tape-cuz it was a pretty sharp shirt and i didn't want to offend her for trying.  btw, the duct tape made it thru numerous wash/dry cycles

What a great story