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Dickthedribbler

This may have been posed here before.

In the annals of Marquette basketball, who will go down in history among Scoopers, and all of MU Fandom for that matter, as the biggest enigma, confounding fans for decades:

The Creans
The Hausers

MUbiz

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 17, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
This may have been posed here before.

In the annals of Marquette basketball, who will go down in history among Scoopers, and all of MU Fandom for that matter, as the biggest enigma, confounding fans for decades:

The Creans
The Hausers

For me, the Hausers. I will never find out, but I still want to know what was exactly said that led to the departures.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: MUbiz on October 17, 2023, 01:56:40 PM
For me, the Hausers. I will never find out, but I still want to know what was exactly said that led to the departures.

Screw the departures I want to know what Wojo said when the jazz GLeague team waived Joey
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

MUbiz

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 17, 2023, 01:58:51 PM
Screw the departures I want to know what Wojo said when the jazz GLeague team waived Joey

LOL - you win the internet for the day!

4everwarriors

Heard he ran butt ass naked out of the locker room yelling "yes," hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

rocket surgeon

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 17, 2023, 01:58:51 PM
Screw the departures I want to know what Wojo said when the jazz GLeague team waived Joey


+++ eagle+++ I think he said wait the F a minute, I'm not done with him yet😮
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

MuggsyB

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 17, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
This may have been posed here before.

In the annals of Marquette basketball, who will go down in history among Scoopers, and all of MU Fandom for that matter, as the biggest enigma, confounding fans for decades:



The Creans
The Hausers

Odartey Blankson?

pbiflyer

Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 17, 2023, 01:58:51 PM
Screw the departures I want to know what Wojo said when the jazz GLeague team waived Joey

The burning question is did he write a letter before Joey got waived?

BLWarrior91

I think most Scoopers have made peace with Crean.  If anything, Buzz was a worse departure.

The Hauser departure accelerated the demise of the Wojo era which brought us the Shaka era.  We should all send them a thank you letter!

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

avid1010

I find it hard to be upset with the Hauser's and Wojo at the same time.  If I were the Hauser's...I would have been out the door as well. 

FartyEightHours

#11
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on October 17, 2023, 05:26:24 PM
I think most Scoopers have made peace with Crean.  If anything, Buzz was a worse departure.

The Hauser departure accelerated the demise of the Wojo era which brought us the Shaka era.  We should all send them a thank you letter!

Pfft. I guess u never saw Crean in the benz
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brewcity77

In retrospect, and with distance, Crean makes sense. 2 different coaches won championships, a third went to the NC game, it was a blue blood. It stung because he left us, but for someone like Crean who grew up in B10 country with that program what it was, I get it.

And he's probably been the most successful coach at Indiana since Knight left. Davis flamed out when Knight's players left, Sampson had his"scandal," Miller never got off the ground, and Woodson has been fine, but not multiple B10 titles and second weekend NCAA trips good.

The Hausers were a worse departure, but ultimately while harmful in the moment were long term helpful for the program because that sped Wojo's departure.

I agree that the worst was Buzz, not just because he left for a clearly lesser program, but because he took shots at the Big East on his way out the door and because he's been unwilling to make amends a decade later. That one hurt then and I don't feel any more gracious feelings for him now. If anything, he's even more contemptible than when he left.

willie warrior

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on October 17, 2023, 01:54:27 PM
This may have been posed here before.

In the annals of Marquette basketball, who will go down in history among Scoopers, and all of MU Fandom for that matter, as the biggest enigma, confounding fans for decades:

The Creans
The Hausers
the downhome lonesome cowboy
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The Lens

Quote from: BLWarrior91 on October 17, 2023, 05:26:24 PM
I think most Scoopers have made peace with Crean.  If anything, Buzz was a worse departure.


I was glad when TC left and sad when Buzz left.

QuoteThe Hauser departure accelerated the demise of the Wojo era which brought us the Shaka era.  We should all send them a thank you letter!

Liked Wojo as a guy but never was convinced he was the coach. IMO, the letter saved us.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

The Lens

I would watch a 30 for 30 on Buzz leaving.

- Who first got in his ear that the NBE was doomed
- Why Va Tech?
- When did he decide to go?
- How much did that contribute to 17-15 & 9-9?
- If we win those two 2OT losses + dance, does he stay?
- If he stays do we get Diamond Stone?
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

4everwarriors

VT--they opened their checkbook

Buzz was checked out his entire last season here.

He wuzant stayin' cuz da administration dug in hiz chit

Wuzant gettin' Stone wit or witout Buzz.



What U say DC, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

cheebs09

I believe part of the reason for VATech was he had a  connection to the AD through Mick Cronin. Plus, they must have been pretty desperate based on the details of his contract that were released.

The Sultan

I think Buzz severely miscalculated on the success of the NBE however. I don't think any one "got in his ear" about it - it was a pretty common thought at the time.
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dgies9156

#19
OK, I'm an older Scooper but here's my list:

1) Jim Chones Leaving -- Next to Al's retirement, this had the most profound impact on Marquette basketball in its history. Had Mr. Chones stayed through graduation, we probably would have had at least one and possibly two more National Championships. The story has been well told many, many times over but the timing and the impact was huge. Coach McGuire deserves an enormous amount of credit for putting his players ahead of his program and, candidly, above himself. This one will always be the biggest enigma hovering over the program, especially after Larry McNeill left early the following year.

2) Majerus -- The best chance we had before Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean of recapturing the magic of our program was Rick Majerus. He probably was too young and too inexperienced when he took over for Coach Raymonds and Coach Majerus likely failed in some recruiting battles he should have won. But seeing what Coach Majerus did at Utah leads many of us to wonder what a more experienced Coach Majerus could have done at Marquette.

3) The Hauser Meltdown -- In the end, even though we cooked it wrong, it turned out right. The Hauser meltdown probably cost us one decent NCAA run. Before the boys bolted, we were thought to be fifth in the country. Afterward, we were an also-ran. The way they handled themselves was bush league and we deserved better.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: dgies9156 on October 18, 2023, 10:39:05 AM

3) The Hauser Meltdown -- In the end, even though we cooked it wrong, it turned out right.

I don't think anyone could've put this any better. Kudos.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

MU82

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BrewCity83

The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

muwarrior69

Quote from: dgies9156 on October 18, 2023, 10:39:05 AM
OK, I'm an older Scooper but here's my list:

1) Jim Chones Leaving -- Next to Al's retirement, this had the most profound impact on Marquette basketball in its history. Had Mr. Chones stayed through graduation, we probably would have had at least one and possibly two more National Championships. The story has been well told many, many times over but the timing and the impact was huge. Coach McGuire deserves an enormous amount of credit for putting his players ahead of his program and, candidly, above himself. This one will always be the biggest enigma hovering over the program, especially after Larry McNeill left early the following year.

2) Majerus -- The best chance we had before Kevin O'Neill and Tom Crean of recapturing the magic of our program was Rick Majerus. He probably was too young and too inexperienced when he took over for Coach Raymonds and Coach Majerus likely failed in some recruiting battles he should have won. But seeing what Coach Majerus did at Utah leads many of us to wonder what a more experienced Coach Majerus could have done at Marquette.

3) The Hauser Meltdown -- In the end, even though we cooked it wrong, it turned out right. The Hauser meltdown probably cost us one decent NCAA run. Before the boys bolted, we were thought to be fifth in the country. Afterward, we were an also-ran. The way they handled themselves was bush league and we deserved better.

4. The Crean and Buzz years were for the most part pretty special, but Wojo set the program back for nearly a decade when we should have at the very least been competitive for a shot at winning the Championship. It was those 7 years however that gave us Shaka.


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