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Author Topic: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?  (Read 9158 times)

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2016, 11:36:59 PM »
There are two players barring injury that are guaranteed to start. Fischer at center and Haanif at any of the other four positions. Where Haanif plays depends on who wins the other three starting spots. I would be surprised if point is not manned by either Carter, Howard or Rowsey. However, what happens if Wojo thinks the best starting team has Hauser, Reinhardt and JJJ in the lineup? Please do not comeback and say that is not going to happen. I am not debating how likely it is. It is a what if question. Basically, it is the only way Haanif ends up at point.

You are mistaken if you think anyone is guaranteed a starting spot. Not how Wojo runs things....though its hard to see how Fischer could not be in the starting lineup.
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2016, 02:39:41 PM »
He is easily our best player, so he would have to really screw up not to start.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2023, 03:38:42 PM »
And I project that Markus Howard won't see much time at the point guard position until after Traci graduates.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2023, 05:25:35 PM »
Who was Traci?
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2023, 05:29:47 PM »
Honestly,

Not the worst take on this site.

Traci Carter was MU's second best player in 2015-16. (not the team was good). That year he was tied with Henry with the highest +/-. Despite playing 10mpg less than him.

The next year he was out recruited over twice by Andrew Rowsey and Markus Howard, and he played 8 games, starting 4 before transferring.  And while Carter lost his spot, he said the reason he transfer was to be close to home in Philadelphia, and he went to La Salle. At the time his mom was struggling with addiction.

After leaving, Traci Carter was then the best player on 4 separate teams. La Salle in 2018-19, and 3 years at Hartford from 2019-20, until 2021-22.

That includes a Hartford Team that made the tournament in 2020-21.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2023, 05:33:35 PM »
Honestly,

Not the worst take on this site.

Traci Carter was MU's second best player in 2015-16. (not the team was good). That year he was tied with Henry with the highest +/-. Despite playing 10mpg less than him.

The next year he was out recruited over twice by Andrew Rowsey and Markus Howard, and he played 8 games, starting 4 before transferring.  And while Carter lost his spot, he said the reason he transfer was to be close to home in Philadelphia, and he went to La Salle. At the time his mom was struggling with addiction.

After leaving, Traci Carter was then the best player on 4 separate teams. La Salle in 2018-19, and 3 years at Hartford from 2019-20, until 2021-22.

That includes a Hartford Team that made the tournament in 2020-21.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2023, 05:57:46 PM »
Yeah Traci wasn’t very good.
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2023, 06:01:58 PM »
I didn’t talk about Carter when he played at MU. We need to sign a portal guy this week to give some of you stuff to debate.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2023, 06:41:26 PM »
Couldn’t remember a Traci at MU to save my life.
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2023, 07:06:09 PM »
Yeah Traci wasn’t very good.
compared to who?

compared to the members of the 2016-2017 team, or our first six in 2022-23. Sure fine.

they rest of his teammates his freshman year. No, not true. That team sucked.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2023, 07:12:43 PM »
compared to who?

compared to the members of the 2016-2017 team, or our first six in 2022-23. Sure fine.

they rest of his teammates his freshman year. No, not true. That team sucked.

Compared to the quality of players Marquette should be recruiting. The guy transferred down twice for a reason.
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2023, 07:14:42 PM »
compared to who?

compared to the members of the 2016-2017 team, or our first six in 2022-23. Sure fine.

they rest of his teammates his freshman year. No, not true. That team sucked.

Oh you were serious ?

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2023, 07:46:26 PM »
Compared to the quality of players Marquette should be recruiting. The guy transferred down twice for a reason.

First sentence, fine, wojo sucked.

The reason he transferred is well documented, 1.  his mom was struggling with drug abuse and 2. he transferred in to La Salle when there was a different coach.


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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2023, 07:51:04 PM »
Oh you were serious ?
That team sucked.

Your options are

Luke Fischer- who didn't play defense.
Haanif Cheatham- who didn't play defense.
Or Traci Carter- who played some defense, couldn't shoot, but the team played better with him on the court than with him off of it to a noticeable level because he created for others.


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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2023, 07:53:10 PM »
All i am saying it this.

Traci Carter was good compared to his teammates the one full year he played. thats all. that team sucked. but he was the second best one to henry. 13-6 in his starts. 7-7 not in his starts.

There is a difference between personal offensive efficiency and the efficiency of your team when you play. And as a pass first guard he benefited his teammates. Plus, he actually played defense. getting steals is valuable.

I'm not gonna overstate his play, because he wasn't great in a lot of ways, but there are many worse takes on scoop.

Carters first year, that team played Wally. Haanif never played defense and wojo never had him come of the bench. Everyone else had down years that year but henry.

Projecting Wojo to start Carter with Howard was a fine idea. Compared to most scoop ideas and some of the ideas Wojo went with. Carter's play was ahead of the scrubs wojo loved in the future too.

Wojo started Heldt and Froling. He played Chartouny. He never played McEwen off the bench in markus's senior year. And when he properly benched joey hauser, he played the only guy on the team worse than him coming off of his mission for those last 3 games.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2023, 07:55:02 PM »
I must have tapped out that year.
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2023, 07:57:48 PM »
First sentence, fine, wojo sucked.

The reason he transferred is well documented, 1.  his mom was struggling with drug abuse and 2. he transferred in to La Salle when there was a different coach.


3. He wasn’t very good.
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2023, 08:00:54 PM »
But was he better than John Dawson ?

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2023, 08:13:00 PM »
But was he better than John Dawson ?


John Dawson, Wally Ellenson, Jake Thomas, Steve Taylor, and Harry Froling

That's the all horror show starting 5, of the past 10ish years

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2023, 08:17:03 PM »
Niv Berkowitz.  That’s when I knew Tom Crean lost his marbles
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2023, 08:21:51 PM »
3. He wasn’t very good.

Yep 100%.
Carter started 23/41 games at Marquette.
Carter started 30/31 games at La Salle.
Carter started  76/77 games at Hartford. (making the tournament as a their best player)

But he "transferred down" because he "wasn't very good".

I don't even think i said anything that bold.

I said it wasn't  "the worst take on this site" that one person said tracy might start some games at point guard in September of 2016.

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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2023, 08:23:52 PM »
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2023, 09:21:45 PM »
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2023, 10:41:04 PM »
Lol. Might be the most odd posts in awhile. Guy claiming Traci was second best player on the team… like, witaf??
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Re: Can Traci cut down on turnovers?
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2023, 10:49:17 PM »
Lol. Might be the most odd posts in awhile. Guy claiming Traci was second best player on the team… like, witaf??

Says the guy bumping 2016 threads in the summer of 2023 because he feels the need to be praised by a bunch of random anonymous MU basketball fans for a good take 7 years ago.

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