2023 Ryder Cup

[🏀]

Typical American performance, such a tough team to root for.

[Lennys Tap]

Typical American performance, such a tough team to root for.

Homa was great, Cantlay and Harmon had moments. That was about it.

When their best are almost running the table and our best (Scheffler, WTF) suck you cannot win.

[MuggsyB]

Homa was great, Cantlay and Harmon had moments. That was about it.

When their best are almost running the table and our best (Scheffler, WTF) suck you cannot win.

Scheffler & Koepka lost a 4-Ball match 9& 7.   I repeat:  9&7.  I get Zach Johnson taking significant blame but when you're that bad as the #1 player in the world, and a guy with 5 Majors, that's either mystifying or totally inexcusable.   

[MU82]

SI's Jeff Ritter graded each player for both teams.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/ryder-cup-2023-grades-for-every-player?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2023-10-02

Highest score, A+, went to Rory and Homa. Six others got A or A-: Rahm, Hovland, Fleetwood, Hatton, Aberg, Cantlay. (I agree about all except Aberg; silly to give an A for potential.)

Four F's: Scheffler, Morikawa, Spieth and Fowler. Of the latter, Ritter said: "Probably wishes he just stayed at the gala."

Zach Johnson got a C-, Luke Donald an A+.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I had no idea that players weren't paid to participate in the Cup, and no idea why that would be controversial.

[Uncle Rico]

SI's Jeff Ritter graded each player for both teams.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/ryder-cup-2023-grades-for-every-player?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2023-10-02

Highest score, A+, went to Rory and Homa. Six others got A or A-: Rahm, Hovland, Fleetwood, Hatton, Aberg, Cantlay. (I agree about all except Aberg; silly to give an A for potential.)

Four F's: Scheffler, Morikawa, Spieth and Fowler. Of the latter, Ritter said: "Probably wishes he just stayed at the gala."

Zach Johnson got a C-, Luke Donald an A+.

Zach got a C-??  This guy is an idiot.   

[MuggsyB]

Zach got a C-??  This guy is an idiot.

F?  D+?

[Uncle Rico]

F?  D+?

What's lower than F?  Zach was a disaster

[cheebs09]

I had no idea that players weren't paid to participate in the Cup, and no idea why that would be controversial.

Yea, for as huge of an event it is, I'm a bit surprised they aren't paid. I wonder if their endorsement contracts give them bonuses.

Based on the travel and time commitment, it feels like they should make something.

[MuggsyB]

What's lower than F?  Zach was a disaster

Tiger next team C?

[Uncle Rico]

Yea, for as huge of an event it is, I'm a bit surprised they aren't paid. I wonder if their endorsement contracts give them bonuses.

Based on the travel and time commitment, it feels like they should make something.

20% of the revenue goes to the PGA Tour proper.  The money is largely placed into the players pension fund. 

The player also receive money for their respective charities.

Is it enough?  I don't know the answer but if X and Pat the Hat don't want to play without a bigger paycheck, next man up.

[Uncle Rico]

Tiger next team C?

Rumor has it it's supposed to be Stewart Cink for Bethpage.  FIGJAM was supposed to get that one before the Saudi's bought off his gambling debts. 

[MU82]

The hat thing cracked me up. I enjoyed the fans getting into it, and got a kick out of some of the U.S. players giving it back to them. Trash talk in a game like golf if is fun.

Of course, the Euros and their fans could have always responded the time-honored way by simply saying: "Scoreboard!"

[Uncle Rico]

The hat thing cracked me up. I enjoyed the fans getting into it, and got a kick out of some of the U.S. players giving it back to them. Trash talk in a game like golf if is fun.

Of course, the Euros and their fans could have always responded the time-honored way by simply saying: "Scoreboard!"

Bethpage is going to be bad.  Euro and the Euro press better get some real thick skin between now and then

[MU82]

Bethpage is going to be bad.  Euro and the Euro press better get some real thick skin between now and then

Agree, though I naively hope it's only as "bad" as these Euro fans were. I didn't watch it all, but I watched a lot, and I never heard anybody yell during a backswing or a putt or anything like that. They generally were quiet when they were supposed to be. I hope that'll be the case at Bethpage, too. If it is, what they yell during the not-quiet moments shouldn't matter much.

[Uncle Rico]

Agree, though I naively hope it's only as "bad" as these Euro fans were. I didn't watch it all, but I watched a lot, and I never heard anybody yell during a backswing or a putt or anything like that. They generally were quiet when they were supposed to be. I hope that'll be the case at Bethpage, too. If it is, what they yell during the not-quiet moments shouldn't matter much.

I have my doubts that happens.  I think it'll be bad, like Brookline bad. 

[tower912]

Bethpage will set new standards for inappropriate behavior.   I will set the over/under for European players or caddies stopped from going into the crowd after a heckler at 4.


The money thing goes back to David Duval and Brookline, IIRC.

[MuggsyB]

Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters?  I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack.  What's up with the dude?

[CreightonWarrior]

Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters?  I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack.  What's up with the dude?

All the US guys hadn't played in a month+

[tower912]

Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters?  I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack.  What's up with the dude?

Spieth just became a dad.   As family focused as he is, I have to believe that his preparation and focus for golf were not normal.   

[cheebs09]

Spieth just became a dad.   As family focused as he is, I have to believe that his preparation and focus for golf were not normal.

Also, looking at how he's played the last few years, it's not too surprising. He bounced back this year but he was playing at Fowler levels for awhile I think.

[Uncle Rico]

Any explanation as to why Scheffy, Morikawa, and Speith in particular were cataclysmic disasters?  I heard Speith literally looked like a muni hack.  What's up with the dude?

Took a month off.  Morikawa sucked this year.  Scheffler is rebuilding his entire putting stroke.  Spieth is a massive hit or miss player and Tower is right, just had a kid.

Cantlay is getting married today, so he planned his wedding for the day after the Ryder Cup.

[MU82]

Spieth is a notorious over-thinker on the course. When things aren't going well, he can be a real mess.

That situation with Zach Johnson followed by the shot into the drink was something. I'd love to know what really went on there. But Spieth was a disaster even before that.

[tower912]

Should have gotten you, Goose, Muggsy, and Rico. (If Rico would deign to be seen in public)  If nothing else, having you guys being mic'd up would have been must see.   

[Uncle Rico]

Should have gotten you, Goose, Muggsy, and Rico. (If Rico would deign to be seen in public)  If nothing else, having you guys being mic'd up would have been must see.

I can tell you this, I'd have left Spieth, JT, Morikawa and Flower at home and sent Cantlay and X to Saudi Arabia.  We may not have won but we would have had a better chance