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Uncle Rico

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on Today at 07:03:41 AMHuh. I never really thought before about how he and that other super genius, Wile E., have identical results.

It's why I'm not worried.  Nobody knows more about AI, trust me, many strong men (probably beekeepers) with tears in there eyes say, "sir, your big brain makes me feel safe."
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MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on Today at 07:12:11 AMIt's why I'm not worried.  Nobody knows more about AI, trust me, many strong men (probably beekeepers) with tears in there eyes say, "sir, your big brain makes me feel safe."

He's said a lot of stupid things, no doubt about that. 

I'm not saying this means anything but when I've asked ChatGBT about many things her answers are often 100% dead wrong.  For example I tinkered with a few recipes, asked Alexa during the process, and had I took her advice, my small dinner gathering would have turned into an extremely unsatisfying eating experience.  And these weren't Thomas Keller creations. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:14:31 AMHe's said a lot of stupid things, no doubt about that. 

I'm not saying this means anything but when I've asked ChatGBT about many things her answers are often 100% dead wrong.  For example I tinkered with a few recipes, asked Alexa during the process, and had I took her advice, my small dinner gathering would have turned into an extremely unsatisfying eating experience.  And these weren't Thomas Keller creations. 

He's got this.  I'm not worried one bit.
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MU82

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:14:31 AMHe's said a lot of stupid things, no doubt about that.

He'd shoot your loved ones in their faces if it meant an extra nickel in his pocket.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MU82 on Today at 09:53:27 AMHe'd shoot your loved ones in their faces if it meant an extra nickel in his pocket.

Maybe that's why we're hiring people that are into beastility at the FBI?  To take on the coming AI wars, these are the kind of people we need fighting and not the PC FBI we had.  C
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mu_hilltopper

I loved this line:

If Boeing said there was a 10% chance an airplane would crash, all production would stop for months or years to fix the problem.

.. but a 10% chance of AI killing us all = hey, let 'er rip.

Jockey

Quote from: MU82 on Today at 09:53:27 AMHe'd shoot your loved ones in their faces if it meant an extra nickel in his pocket.

He is too much of a coward to shoot anyone. He'd just order a half dozen ICE agents to do it for him.

MU82

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on Today at 10:45:14 AMI loved this line:

If Boeing said there was a 10% chance an airplane would crash, all production would stop for months or years to fix the problem.

.. but a 10% chance of AI killing us all = hey, let 'er rip.

That's legit funny.

It's good that we humans can laugh our way to extinction!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

jesmu84

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:14:31 AMHe's said a lot of stupid things, no doubt about that. 

I'm not saying this means anything but when I've asked ChatGBT about many things her answers are often 100% dead wrong.  For example I tinkered with a few recipes, asked Alexa during the process, and had I took her advice, my small dinner gathering would have turned into an extremely unsatisfying eating experience.  And these weren't Thomas Keller creations. 

I assume you're aware chatgpt and Alexa are not the same thing

Uncle Rico

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MuggsyB

Quote from: jesmu84 on Today at 01:17:14 PMI assume you're aware chatgpt and Alexa are not the same thing

Yes.  But it uses ChatGpt. 

MuggsyB

#386
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on Today at 10:45:14 AMI loved this line:

If Boeing said there was a 10% chance an airplane would crash, all production would stop for months or years to fix the problem.

.. but a 10% chance of AI killing us all = hey, let 'er rip.

So your take is the government should regulate it and figure out safeguards?  Most of these people don't have any earthly idea about any of this stuff. And the AI companies are dealing with all sorts of lawsuits right now.  I don't trust any of these people.   And the chances of China regulating anything is 0.0.  The whole thing is troubling imo and there are no easy answers. 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 07:09:01 PMSo you're take is the government should regulate it and figure out safeguards?  Most of these people don't have any earthly idea about any of this stuff. And the AI companies are dealing with all sorts of lawsuits right now.  I don't trust any of these people.   And the chances of China regulating anything is 0.0.  The whole thing is troubling imo and there are no easy answers. 

It's being taken care of.  You don't have to worry.
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tower912

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 07:09:01 PMSo your take is the government should regulate it and figure out safeguards?  Most of these people don't have any earthly idea about any of this stuff. And the AI companies are dealing with all sorts of lawsuits right now.  I don't trust any of these people.   And the chances of China regulating anything is 0.0.  The whole thing is troubling imo and there are no easy answers. 
You choose to act.  You assess.  If it is working, how can you make it better?   If it isn't working, howcan you make it better?   The same way you approach any challenge.
To sit back, whine, and do nothing... also a choice.  And, well, there has been plenty of that.
...I'm a rebel just for kicks,  now
I been feeling it since 1966, now...

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on Today at 07:47:05 PMYou choose to act.  You assess.  If it is working, how can you make it better?   If it isn't working, howcan you make it better?   The same way you approach any challenge.
To sit back, whine, and do nothing... also a choice.  And, well, there has been plenty of that.

That's not an answer.  Who should act or do something?   And what does that entail?  And who is whining?  The CEO's? 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:00:14 PMThat's not an answer.  Who should act or do something?   And what does that entail?  And who is whining?  The CEO's? 

It's being taken care of.  Don't worry.
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tower912

Paraphrasing FDR in my last post.  If you think it is a problem, stop it.  Actually lead with a long term vision that puts people first and isn't just rampant bribe taking.  A philosophical change, to be sure.  From a personal philosophical standpoint, listen to the pope. 
From a long time firefighter perspective, if you think the house is on fire, get your ass in there and go to work.  Accepting it is going to be hot, dirty work.

If that means moratorium and stoppage, so be it.   If you fear it that much, stop it. 
...I'm a rebel just for kicks,  now
I been feeling it since 1966, now...

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on Today at 08:11:29 PMParaphrasing FDR in my last post.  If you think it is a problem, stop it.  Actually lead with a long term vision that puts people first and isn't just rampant bribe taking.  A philosophical change, to be sure.  From a personal philosophical standpoint, listen to the pope.
From a long time firefighter perspective, if you think the house is on fire, get your ass in there and go to work.  Accepting it is going to be hot, dirty work.

If that means moratorium and stoppage, so be it.   If you fear it that much, stop it. 

Okay, fine.  But what if China's AI Companies don't "stop it"?  Then what? 

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:23:48 PMOkay, fine.  But what if China's AI Companies don't "stop it"?  Then what? 

Don't worry.  The president has a very good relationship with China.  That's why he's letting them arm Iran.  He's got this.
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MuggsyB

Quote from: Uncle Rico on Today at 08:37:29 PMDon't worry.  The president has a very good relationship with China.  That's why he's letting them arm Iran.  He's got this.

 I've been very upset about their nonsense about this. 

forgetful

Quote from: tower912 on Today at 07:47:05 PMYou choose to act.  You assess.  If it is working, how can you make it better?   If it isn't working, howcan you make it better?   The same way you approach any challenge.
To sit back, whine, and do nothing... also a choice.  And, well, there has been plenty of that.

There is a very simple solution to this problem.

Thoughts and Prayers.

mu_hilltopper

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 07:09:01 PMSo your take is the government should regulate it and figure out safeguards?  Most of these people don't have any earthly idea about any of this stuff. And the AI companies are dealing with all sorts of lawsuits right now.  I don't trust any of these people.   And the chances of China regulating anything is 0.0.  The whole thing is troubling imo and there are no easy answers. 

I didn't say any of that, but yeah, the US Government should absolutely regulate AI.   

We don't let Boeing or Delta regulate aircraft, we have the FAA.

We don't let Pfizer or Merck approve drugs, we have the FDA.

One could argue, the potential consequences of bad AI are about 10000x that of bad aircraft or bad pharma.

So yeah, how about every AI model that's created must go through a rigorous regulatory process that tests that guardrails are unbreakable, before it's released?

Yeah, that slows things down.  I think humanity would be better off with kneecapping AI research.  We're just 45 months (!!!!) into the ChatGPT era and p(doom) is 10%. 

MuggsyB

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on Today at 09:47:29 PMI didn't say any of that, but yeah, the US Government should absolutely regulate AI.   

We don't let Boeing or Delta regulate aircraft, we have the FAA.

We don't let Pfizer or Merck approve drugs, we have the FDA.

One could argue, the potential consequences of bad AI are about 10000x that of bad aircraft or bad pharma.

So yeah, how about every AI model that's created must go through a rigorous regulatory process that tests that guardrails are unbreakable, before it's released?

Yeah, that slows things down.  I think humanity would be better off with kneecapping AI research.  We're just 45 months (!!!!) into the ChatGPT era and p(doom) is 10%. 

Are you concerned at all about Deepseek or Alibaba?  I'm not necessarily opposed to kneecapping if it's every AI company. I don't think we have a clear picture of exactly what these CEO's envision or want to do.... or if it's too late.  I do think they fear more litigation and this is part of wanting regulations.  They've known about this for several years.  It's hard for me to believe this is some sort of epiphany because of the recent hack or how fast things are moving.   

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