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Quote from: jesmu84 on June 11, 2025, 09:58:55 AMAI will be used for significant nefarious purposes moving forward.

No real surprise though, scammers gonna scam.

I actually think this is the *only* use case for the current suite of public-facing gen AI tools (chatgpt, image/video/voice generators). Either you are using these tools with ill-intent, or you're doing it on a whim because "neato, 100 guys fighting a gorilla picture"

NCMUFan

Quote from: MU82 on June 18, 2025, 09:36:50 AMFrom Axios:

AI can generate a larger volume of creative ideas than any human, but those ideas are too much alike, Axios' Megan Morrone writes from newly published research.

Why it matters: AI makers say their tools are "great for brainstorming," but experts find that chatbots produce a more limited range of ideas than a group of humans.

How it works: Study participants were asked to brainstorm product ideas for a toy involving a brick and a fan, using either ChatGPT, their own ideas, or their ideas combined with web searches.

94% of ideas from those who used ChatGPT "shared overlapping concepts," according to the study published in Nature Human Behaviour.

Participants who used their own ideas with the help of web searches produced the most "unique concepts," meaning a group of one or more ideas that did not overlap with any other ideas in the set.


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I get annoyed trying to do work in Word or Excel and Microsoft dropping Copilot in front of my cursor.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

I use AI to support my work pretty regularly. I have found that it is great for brainstorming ideas, grammar checking,  and rephrasing things that I have already written. Its near useless at research and original content creation. I've tried giving it transcripts of recordings and asking it to summarize the transcript. It often gets details wrong or just skips over them.  And the level of detail is never close to sufficient for the type of work I do.

The technology will get better. But it's further off from replacing everyone than some will lead you to believe.
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TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


NCMUFan

ChatGPT gave me incorrect information.
I pointed out its error and it admitted it made a mistake and apologized.


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Quote from: jesmu84 on June 18, 2025, 03:43:41 PMhttps://x.com/itsalexvacca/status/1935343874421178762?t=t7tabGTqvQQcbdjoHwcyqw&s=19

This is the part of AI that scares me the most. Critical thinking is a skill that needs to be developed. If the current younger generation and future generations are allowed to export all their critical thinking to a machine, it will leave us with a society of gullible and controllable idiots.

I can't even blame younger generations for taking advantage of AI. When I was that age, if I felt like I wouldn't get caught, I would have happily let AI do a lot of my coursework for me.
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TAMU

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rocky_warrior

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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 18, 2025, 10:09:29 PMI can't even blame younger generations for taking advantage of AI. When I was that age, if I felt like I wouldn't get caught, I would have happily let AI do a lot of my coursework for me.

My (84yo) mother was responsible for taking notes at a church meeting tonight.  She needs to have "a write-up" for the church newsletter by Monday.  Me & my sister taught her how to use Android recorder for transcripts last week.  In the next few days we'll teach her how to use Gemini to create a write-up from transcript.  She's actually a fantastic writer.  She'll make an excellent editor.

AI is trash.

And yes, she was warned multiple times to inform her audience they were being recorded.  But oddly, nobody would care if AI wasn't involved.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 18, 2025, 10:09:29 PMThis is the part of AI that scares me the most. Critical thinking is a skill that needs to be developed. If the current younger generation and future generations are allowed to export all their critical thinking to a machine, it will leave us with a society of gullible and controllable idiots.

I can't even blame younger generations for taking advantage of AI. When I was that age, if I felt like I wouldn't get caught, I would have happily let AI do a lot of my coursework for me.

I mean, boomers allowed their critical thinking to be controlled by a machine in Fox News TV and things seem fine.
How bad slavery was

jesmu84

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 18, 2025, 10:09:29 PMThis is the part of AI that scares me the most. Critical thinking is a skill that needs to be developed. If the current younger generation and future generations are allowed to export all their critical thinking to a machine, it will leave us with a society of gullible and controllable idiots.

I can't even blame younger generations for taking advantage of AI. When I was that age, if I felt like I wouldn't get caught, I would have happily let AI do a lot of my coursework for me.

Um.. AI wasn't around for the boomers. Explain that

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 19, 2025, 08:05:14 AMUm.. AI wasn't around for the boomers. Explain that

1. Don't mistake selfishness or xenophobia for a lack of critical thinking

2. There have always been pockets of every generation that lacked critical thinking. My fear is that AI will cause those pockets to grow exponentially.

I singled out younger generations because a lot of our critical thinking skills are developed in school and college. Millennials and above were done before AI was available and theoretically have a base level of critical thinking skills. Generations who grow up with AI? I'm concerned that won't be the case.
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Uncle Rico

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 19, 2025, 09:46:07 AM1. Don't mistake selfishness or xenophobia for a lack of critical thinking

2. There have always been pockets of every generation that lacked critical thinking. My fear is that AI will cause those pockets to grow exponentially.

I singled out younger generations because a lot of our critical thinking skills are developed in school and college. Millennials and above were done before AI was available and theoretically have a base level of critical thinking skills. Generations who grow up with AI? I'm concerned that won't be the case.

Well, we're all going to die 🤷🏼�♂️
How bad slavery was

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How society often feels to me.

jficke13

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 19, 2025, 08:05:14 AMUm.. AI wasn't around for the boomers. Explain that

leaded gasoline

Uncle Rico

How bad slavery was

mu_hilltopper

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/22/openai-sam-altman-congress-ai-jobs

"OpenAI CEO tells Federal Reserve confab that entire job categories will disappear due to AI"

jficke13

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/22/openai-sam-altman-congress-ai-jobs

"OpenAI CEO tells Federal Reserve confab that entire job categories will disappear due to AI"
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Shovel salesman certain more gold in them thar hills if everyone just keeps buying enough shovels.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 23, 2025, 10:39:45 AMhttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/22/openai-sam-altman-congress-ai-jobs

"OpenAI CEO tells Federal Reserve confab that entire job categories will disappear due to AI"

"THROW MORE MONEY AT US, INVESTORS"

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 16, 2025, 01:52:15 PMSo you are developing something that has by your estimate, a 10% chance of destroying the earth but you keep doing it anyway because...shareholder value?

You're going in the right general direction but it's not shareholder value...it's personal net worth.

You're looking at it from the wrong end of the percentages. The Andreessons and Musks look at it and say, "There's a 75%-90% chance I become one of the most wealthy and powerful people in the history of mankind. And if I'm wrong and mankind gets wiped out, I'll have enough wealth to survive it. I'll just build an end-of-the-world survival compound like Zuckerburg or decamp to Mars."
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

mu_hilltopper

Different tangent, I used ChatGPT today .. The dealership wanted $4200 to repair our car.  I uploaded the line-item estimate and asked the AI to evaluate each repair and what it thought.

The responses were just excellent, prioritizing the repairs, suggesting ones that could be delayed under conditions, what the cost might be at independent shops, etc.    I asked follow ups, it gave me quality responses.

I think this AI thing might catch on.

MU82

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 23, 2025, 07:34:51 PMDifferent tangent, I used ChatGPT today .. The dealership wanted $4200 to repair our car.  I uploaded the line-item estimate and asked the AI to evaluate each repair and what it thought.

The responses were just excellent, prioritizing the repairs, suggesting ones that could be delayed under conditions, what the cost might be at independent shops, etc.    I asked follow ups, it gave me quality responses.

I think this AI thing might catch on.

Yeah, but at which point in the conversation did it reach into your body and rip out your spleen?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Shaka Shart

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 23, 2025, 07:34:51 PMDifferent tangent, I used ChatGPT today .. The dealership wanted $4200 to repair our car.  I uploaded the line-item estimate and asked the AI to evaluate each repair and what it thought.

The responses were just excellent, prioritizing the repairs, suggesting ones that could be delayed under conditions, what the cost might be at independent shops, etc.    I asked follow ups, it gave me quality responses.

I think this AI thing might catch on.

If you treat it like expedited googling and consolidation, it's not useless as long as you maintain professional skepticism.

Problem is most don't
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