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forgetful

I would have kicked it deeper there.

The Sultan

Matt Nagy. Super Bowl champion.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

forgetful

Mahomes is a heck of a football player.

Uncle Rico

Patrick Mahomes has now surpassed Aaron Rodgers in every conceivable way
Guster is for Lovers

jesmu84

I assume that similar call will be made in every NFL game moving forward?

tower912

It will be debated for a while.
IMO, weak, but there was a jersey grab.  By definition, a hold.  And no, you will not see that called every week.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Pakuni

Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2023, 09:23:53 PM
It will be debated for a while.
IMO, weak, but there was a jersey grab.  By definition, a hold.  And no, you will not see that called every week.

I very much wanted the Eagles to win, but a) It was a hold, b) Chefs were going to score either way, just gave the Eagles less time and c) it's a bad argument to say the refs should have ignored that hold because they miss other holds.

jesmu84

Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2023, 09:23:53 PM
It will be debated for a while.
IMO, weak, but there was a jersey grab.  By definition, a hold.  And no, you will not see that called every week.

Why won't they call that every week?

Babybluejeans

Kelce's got a good future in the WWE

cheebs09

I think if it was called in the first quarter, no one would really bat an eyelash. The fact that it decided the game makes it a bummer.

MU82

Really a borderline penalty. Maybe the slight jersey tug was at the top of the route but that's not when the official threw his flag.

Tough way to end a very good game.

Mahomes is really something. And credit to the KC offensive line, too.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Mutaman

There are some folks who think you call a game the same way at the end as you do in the first quarter. I never could understand that mentality. You don't want a game decided by the referees unless its absolutely necessary-see the KC-Bengals game.

Vander Blue Man Group


Dish

Doubt it would have made a huge difference, but after Mahomes takes a five yard loss, as soon as KC broke their huddle, Eagles should have committed intentional offsides and made contact with a Chiefs player. Would have been half the distance, but clock would have stopped. Would have saved probably seven seconds at the end.

mu_hilltopper

The PI call was weak, no doubt, and benefitted KC.

The catch/fumble call was weak and benefitted the Eagles by erasing a TD.

At worst, the refs were a wash.

forgetful

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 12, 2023, 09:56:05 PM
Garbage call.

James Bradberry, who committed the hold has admitted:

"I pulled on his jersey. They called it. I was hoping they would let it ride." ...multiple reporting outlets.

So there is that.

MU82

Quote from: forgetful on February 12, 2023, 10:15:59 PM
James Bradberry, who committed the hold has admitted:

"I pulled on his jersey. They called it. I was hoping they would let it ride." ...multiple reporting outlets.

So there is that.

Thanks for adding that. I hadn't heard it.

Looking at it both live and in replays, I thought it was borderline. But if the player admits it, I mean, what can you say? I guess it was a good call. Still a disappointing ending to a fine Super Bowl.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dish

Most surprising thing tonight was how bad Philly's defense was in the second half. They should have been fresh, KC only had the ball for around nine minutes in the first half.

Mahomes was clearly injured the last KC offensive play of the first half (zero doubt he had a Teradol shot at half). But still no scheme to force him left at all early in the second half to force pressure on the ankle (that I can remember). Just a very passive approach by Gannon.

MUBurrow

Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 12, 2023, 10:38:29 PM
Most surprising thing tonight was how bad Philly's defense was in the second half. They should have been fresh, KC only had the ball for around nine minutes in the first half.

Mahomes was clearly injured the last KC offensive play of the first half (zero doubt he had a Teradol shot at half). But still no scheme to force him left at all early in the second half to force pressure on the ankle (that I can remember). Just a very passive approach by Gannon.

Yup. Philly's defense was the most disappointing unit in the game by a large margin.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: DegenerateDish on February 12, 2023, 10:38:29 PM
Most surprising thing tonight was how bad Philly's defense was in the second half. They should have been fresh, KC only had the ball for around nine minutes in the first half.

Mahomes was clearly injured the last KC offensive play of the first half (zero doubt he had a Teradol shot at half). But still no scheme to force him left at all early in the second half to force pressure on the ankle (that I can remember). Just a very passive approach by Gannon.

Credit also to the chiefs offensive line and game plan.  They had something figured out the way they were able to run effectively against them
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tower912

The pinwheel set made me laugh even though it didn't work.

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

muwarrior69

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 12, 2023, 10:13:23 PM
The PI call was weak, no doubt, and benefitted KC.

The catch/fumble call was weak and benefitted the Eagles by erasing a TD.

At worst, the refs were a wash.

As a Giants fan I have no love for the Eagles, but I just hate those 50/50 flags that actually determine the outcome of the game.

The Sultan

If you don't want a penalty to determine the outcome of a game, then don't commit the penalty.

And I would suggest it is completely unknown if it determined the outcome. The Eagles still would have had to at least get into FG range.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

jesmu84

It sure seems likely that one of those happens in nearly every play of every game.

So, call it or don't. But be consistent

MU82

Quote from: jesmu84 on February 13, 2023, 08:58:42 AM
It sure seems likely that one of those happens in nearly every play of every game.

So, call it or don't. But be consistent

I've never officiated football, but I do basketball and baseball. You try to be consistent, and you call what you see when you see it. You're human, so you don't see some fouls/violations/plays/strikes/etc as well as you see others. The official was right there and he saw what he saw on that particular play so he threw the flag, and Bradbury later confirmed the hold.

I don't love the call, but I understand it.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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