Blue Demon SOTG

[panda]

I agree.  Rocky should probably ban him.  But then again Wades and Rocky are hitched at the hip in their love for Wojo and skepticism of Shaka.

TELL EM

[Jockey]

You have to remember that Wades has been a Kolek-hater pretty much since Day 1, and said this team's success hinged on Sean Jones, and that we'd finish 15-16 on the year and 8th in the Big East:

And then there was that preseason prediction:

I have had numerous arguments with Wades over basketball, but I have no problem with people giving their opinions - right or wrong. It sure beats people who are afraid to do so and then criticize people who do.

(I'm not saying that is you as I don't remember what you said at the beginning of the year.)

And to one point, Kolek was an awful shooter when Wades made the remark. I said so, as did many others. Props for the work he has put in to get better.

[Newsdreams]

Take it up with your ND Circle of Friends.

Shots fired, not even warning shots!

[wadesworld]

I agree.  Rocky should probably ban him.  But then again Wades and Rocky are hitched at the hip in their love for Wojo and skepticism of Shaka.

Kolek hater? Lol. Because I said he wasn't a good shooter? Uh. Okay? Oso is not a good shooter. I must be a hater. Stevie isn't a very good shooter. Oops, I guess I'm a hater!

What am I getting banned for?

Speaking of bans. How many times have you come back to Scoop from a permaban?

[wadesworld]

Crowder 29/8/5/4 steals on 10/12 shooting against a much better West Virginia team in 2011.

Crowder 26/16/4/4 steals in an NCAA Tournament win against a much better BYU team in 2012.

Crowder 26/14/3/5 steals in a win over a much better Georgetown game in 2012.

Markus 51 points on 24 shots in 2019 against a much better USC team.

Markus 53/6 on 26 shots in 2019 against a much better Creighton team.

Markus 45 points on 17 shots in 2019 against a much better Kansas State team.

Markus 45/5/4 in 2018 against a much better Buffalo team.

Markus 52 points in 2018 at a much better Providence team.

That's 8 games just looking at the game log of our 2 BEPOY. Didn't even look at any other games (see: Novak 41 and 16 against UCONN). Should I keep going with guys like Novak, Hayward, DJO, etc.? Or am I just a Kolek hater?

I mean, Scoop is split on whether Kolek even had the best game of an MU player YESTERDAY! The big time Kolek hater, me, says he had the best game yesterday. But not everyone does.

So, Jop's performance is the best or second best since Wade's E8 performance? LOL!

[The Sultan]

To be fair, I said the best game of a Marquette point guard.

[tower912]

Semantics

[wadesworld]

To be fair, I said the best game of a Marquette point guard.

And that is accurate.

Lenny stated he was "one board short of the greatest performance by an MU player in almost 20 years." It was a great performance. Extra rebound or not, it wasn't as good as a number of other performances in the last 2 decades.

[MU82]

How 'bout Sam Hauser's 2019 game against Georgetown? He had to play a lot of the game out of position due to Markus being out, and he scored 31 points and added 8 reb against a 19-win GT team. A lot of Hauser fanatics - including Lenny - have waxed poetic about that one, and I agree with them that it was damn impressive.

Coming off the bench to go 8-for-11 from 3 when your team really needed a boost because your leading scorer got hurt ... that's pretty impressive too.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

It's Kolek, but Joplin played a hell of a game off the bench.

Kolek is starting to get the Jae and Markus treatment where a 20 and 10 night is just another game for him.

[We R Final Four]

Its TKO.

[Lennys Tap]

How 'bout Sam Hauser's 2019 game against Georgetown? He had to play a lot of the game out of position due to Markus being out, and he scored 31 points and added 8 reb against a 19-win GT team. A lot of Hauser fanatics - including Lenny - have waxed poetic about that one, and I agree with them that it was damn impressive.

The #1 (only?) "Hauser Fanatic" on Scoop is you. You're totally obsessed.

[tower912]

And many of you are obsessed with MU82.

[MU82]

And many of you are obsessed with MU82.

Not many, just a couple. And Lenny isn't one of them. He and I mostly enjoy our back-and-forths.

Of course, he also didn't address my point about Sam's game being at least as good and as important as Kolek's. Nor has he addressed wades' list of performances that pretty obviously were better than Kolek's. I mean, any time Markus scored 45-plus, it was better than a near-triple-double against a sh!tty team, and Jae's performance in big games against good opponents, and Novak's incredible show against UConn, etc.

I'm never all that fond of these kinds of discussions because it's hard to make a point about one player or performance without it sounding like you're criticizing the other player and his performance. I can't speak for wades, but I really, really like Kolek, and I thought he was great yesterday. It simply wasn't Novak against UConn or Markus against Creighton; and I also happen to think the guy who went 8-for-11 from 3 when we really needed a shooter to step up with Kam out, and who completely turned the momentum of the game to our favor, deserves Saturday's SOTG.

[Lennys Tap]

Not many, just a couple. And Lenny isn't one of them. He and I mostly enjoy our back-and-forths.

Of course, he also didn't address my point about Sam's game being at least as good and as important as Kolek's. Nor has he addressed wades' list of performances that pretty obviously were better than Kolek's.

Mike

I'm happy to address Wade's list, your mention of Sam's game against Creighton and Novak's game against Connecticut vs Kolek's 24 point, 93 efg%, 9 rebound, 10 assist, 3 steal game on Saturday.

First, I don't think that it's "pretty obvious" that any of those performances were better than Tyler's. I'll grant that one of Jae's games (all around) was better. The others? Not so. But even if you disagree the fact that they're in the conversation brings them to a level much, much higher than Jop's excellent game on Saturday.

[MUBBau]

Kolek named BE POTW, I think that settles it.

[mundelein jerry]

Don't forget Joey Hauser's "nut punch" game vs Bucky. Quite the performance. 🫣

[94Warrior]

Kolek named BE POTW, I think that settles it.

The Big East don't know ball -like Scoop does.

[Lennys Tap]

And many of you are obsessed with MU82.

Not me Tower. I like Mike, and even when we disagree I'm interested in his thoughts

[MU82]

Mike

I'm happy to address Wade's list, your mention of Sam's game against Creighton and Novak's game against Connecticut vs Kolek's 24 point, 93 efg%, 9 rebound, 10 assist, 3 steal game on Saturday.

First, I don't think that it's "pretty obvious" that any of those performances were better than Tyler's. I'll grant that one of Jae's games (all around) was better. The others? Not so. But even if you disagree the fact that they're in the conversation brings them to a level much, much higher than Jop's excellent game on Saturday.

OK Tony, we'll agree to disagree that Kolek's game was better than Novak's against UConn and several of Markus' big games. And I (among others, including uber-ball-knower Goose) will agree to disagree about Kolek being the SOTG over the guy whose 3-point barrage came just at the right time.

Doesn't really matter what we all think anyway. Just good stuff to debate on a Monday.

[Goose]

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#1 Never said I said I was uber ball knowing and many on here are far more knowledgeable than I am on that topic. #2 I picked Joplin 100% because he turned the game in a span of a minute or two.

My interest on SOTG is passing interest at best. I thought Kolek played fantastic on Saturday and probably been spoiled by his play this season. It seems like he could be SOTG almost every game.

Not that I care, but I believe the "knowing ball" stems back to my stating certain posters did not know ball. For the record, that still holds true for a number of posters, but the number is getting smaller.

[rocky_warrior]

Well, I went with Jop - just so you can all keep debating whether it's debatable that it should definitely be TK.

Kidding - I actually (get ready for this) agree with Goose & others that watching the game - Jop broke DePaul's back and was the stud.

TK's numbers were impressive, and IF he actually got the triple double, I would have made him SOTG.  That's not debatable

I think we can all agree that TK and Oso are critical to every win for MU - I think I said that after the first couple games...maybe even earlier.

[noblewarrior]

Kolek named BE POTW, I think that settles it.

You would have thought... 

[rocky_warrior]

You would have thought... 

Hey, I nose ball!

[noblewarrior]

Hey, I nose ball!

Scoop > BE Conference !!!