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Deserved To Lose
« on: December 03, 2022, 05:54:42 PM »
There's really nothing else to say.  Give them credit and try to learn from the costly mistakes. 

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2022, 05:55:11 PM »
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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2022, 05:56:03 PM »
There's really nothing else to say.  Give them credit and try to learn from the costly mistakes.
Late on Shaka to adjust D. Didn't have to be down double digits 1st half.
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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2022, 05:58:18 PM »
Once the game was right there for us I feel strongly the execution wasn't there.  We were discombobulated.  I also think under 5 mins we needed to go defense/offense.  Additionally, Kam was terrific but we needed one more guy male a shot in crunch time.  Never happened. 

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2022, 06:24:18 PM »
Highly disappointing coaching effort against a mediocre badger team.

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2022, 06:27:01 PM »
Highly disappointing coaching effort against a mediocre badger team.

I can't disagree with this point.  Inordinately disappointed right now. 

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2022, 06:57:13 PM »
I don’t understand waiting for “halftime adjustments”. Make them real-time.  First half killed us.  Too many open threes and we were doomed.   Fought back which is great.  Credit there.   But adjustments and the last 3.4 seconds were unreal.   

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2022, 07:20:28 PM »
Disappointed in OT Kolek.  Just a series of really poor decisions. The second inbounds to triple coverage is just inexplicable.
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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2022, 07:42:19 PM »
Disappointed in OT Kolek.  Just a series of really poor decisions. The second inbounds to triple coverage is just inexplicable.

Don’t k ow why he was inbounding the ball twice with a much taller guy blocking his vision….. that was his assignment and he did what he could in 5 seconds.   

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2022, 08:57:34 PM »
The game was lost in the last 5 minutes of the first half and the first 5 minutes off the second half. The fact that Tyler Kolek couldn't pull a rabbit out of his hat with 3.5 seconds left in overtime was of little consequence.

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2022, 09:48:37 PM »
The game was lost in the last 5 minutes of the first half and the first 5 minutes off the second half. The fact that Tyler Kolek couldn't pull a rabbit out of his hat with 3.5 seconds left in overtime was of little consequence.

The game was lost in overtime

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2022, 10:57:46 PM »
Disappointed in OT Kolek.  Just a series of really poor decisions. The second inbounds to triple coverage is just inexplicable.

You should be disappointed in Shaka. He was the one who decided to go with long passes. 3.5 seconds is enough time to get the ball down court and get a shot off. Especially, since UW would not want to foul. The decision to try long passes took away any chance we had to win.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2022, 11:17:26 PM »
You should be disappointed in Shaka. He was the one who decided to go with long passes. 3.5 seconds is enough time to get the ball down court and get a shot off. Especially, since UW would not want to foul. The decision to try long passes took away any chance we had to win.

I agree.  I also would have inserted Sean Jones if we couldn't find someone down the floor, have him dribble up to half'court and then call a time-out. 

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2022, 11:35:12 PM »
Marquette has never faced Wisconsin in the NCAA Tournament.

If that scenario ever arises, I always thought that I'd rather play them in March with a chip on our shoulder after losing to them rather than having to try to beat them a 2nd time in a season.  Maybe that's a weird way to look at it, and maybe they won't meet in March, but the chip has been stored away in a safe place in the event that it needs to be placed on the shoulder later.

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2022, 07:23:53 AM »
Muggs - I agree.  Terrible job by Shaka.

It makes NO sense to sit there, not use a single timeout and not make a single adjustment in 1st half as UW pummeled you.  His defensive “ plan “ made no sense and they were getting torched.


UW like many teams can get hot from 3 … one guy getting hot … well leads to other guys shooting well.  Terrible on Smart and his staff


As for the last 3.5 seconds it would be very poor execution for an 8th grade team.  You don’t have TK bring the ball in ( he’s too short ) … then you waste a player to set a “ screen “ on the inbound

… so you are going 3 on 4 ?? WTH ? 
It was a terrible plan, w / even worse execution

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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2022, 07:42:53 AM »
Don’t k ow why he was inbounding the ball twice with a much taller guy blocking his vision….. that was his assignment and he did what he could in 5 seconds.   
Had an MU player near Kolek there to pick the Badger playing Kolek's inbound pass.  The passes were just horrendous and to the wrong player.  But Kolek is so talented in many other ways.  Just the wrong person for that situation.

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2022, 08:26:21 AM »
Muggs - I agree.  Terrible job by Shaka.

It makes NO sense to sit there, not use a single timeout and not make a single adjustment in 1st half as UW pummeled you.  His defensive “ plan “ made no sense and they were getting torched.


UW like many teams can get hot from 3 … one guy getting hot … well leads to other guys shooting well.  Terrible on Smart and his staff


As for the last 3.5 seconds it would be very poor execution for an 8th grade team.  You don’t have TK bring the ball in ( he’s too short ) … then you waste a player to set a “ screen “ on the inbound

… so you are going 3 on 4 ?? WTH ? 
It was a terrible plan, w / even worse execution

I didn't have a problem with the strategy to double the post to begin the game, but I thought it should be more instinctual and selective.  In other words double if Wahl has dribbled twice and is in the paint or Crowl got the ball with deep position.  Now, once Hepburn and others made 5 threes, and they got an uncontested lay-up, I think you have to make an adjustment.  I mean if Crowl beats us for 20 in the post I think we could have lived with that.  To be fair Wisky shot the ball much better than their percentages, especially Hepburn, but they were in rhythm the entire first half.

As for the last 3.5 secs and then 2.4?  I don't have an answer at all.  They clearly were not prepared for this scenario.  You have Oso in-bounding the ball with both Kolek, Sean, Omax, and Kam on the floor.  If you hit either Sean or OMax on the run they can get a shot off full-court, or dribble and call a time-out at half-court with plenty of time left. 

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Re: Deserved To Lose
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2022, 08:43:18 AM »
There are several ways to play the last 3.5 seconds.   All are predicated on someone making a good pass.  (angry buzzer noise)

Half court lob with Omax, Oso and Gold in the game to catch it and call a time out on the catch to set up the 2.5 second sideline out if bounds play.

A pick and a lob over the top to the fast little guy already with a head of steam.


The play they ran on the first one wasn't horrible in concept, it was just a terrible throw.   If the pass was accurate, Kam would have caught it in the area of the old sideline hashmark with 3.5 seconds.
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2022, 08:49:51 AM »
Being at the game, when we took the lead, having the crowd exploding should have been enough to finish them off, BUT…gotta use the crowd to feed off better than that…duh
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2022, 09:18:24 AM »
Yep. Even moreso Wisconsin deserved to win. They shot the lights out; we didn’t.
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2022, 09:23:10 AM »
it looked like he tried to run the same play twice>(head slap)
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2022, 09:38:56 AM »
It looked like the opposite of that.   The first time, a screen was set and Kam ran a cut from the foul line extended, across the court to the area of the sideline hash on the opposite side.  The pass was up the sideline.

The second time, it was a lob to stationary players near the top of the key.

Just got done watching it again.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2022, 04:18:05 PM »
There's really nothing else to say.  Give them credit and try to learn from the costly mistakes.

Actually, there is. Did they make shots? Sure. Chucky Hepburn made multiple fade-away 35-foot threes. Meanwhile, O-Max missed a number of wide-open jumpers in spots where he normally makes it. But while Wisconsin got the win, we were the better team on the day. Shot Quality had that as an SQ Upset and based on the shots taken, Marquette would win that game 60% of the time.

So why did they get the result? Because in the first half, one of the worst 2PFG% teams in the country made 90% of their two-point field goals and shot 17 points above their season average from three. Then in the second half, both teams played their average game and we rallied to get to overtime. They got the better of us in the 5-minute frame, but that's hardly indicative of the overall game, which really just demonstrated that you can't defend luck, which is the only reason Wisconsin won. They were lucky in their shooting and won as a result.

Take the L and move on knowing that if you play that one 10 times, yesterday was the only one they would've gotten.
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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2022, 06:14:31 PM »
Actually, there is. Did they make shots? Sure. Chucky Hepburn made multiple fade-away 35-foot threes. Meanwhile, O-Max missed a number of wide-open jumpers in spots where he normally makes it. But while Wisconsin got the win, we were the better team on the day. Shot Quality had that as an SQ Upset and based on the shots taken, Marquette would win that game 60% of the time.

So why did they get the result? Because in the first half, one of the worst 2PFG% teams in the country made 90% of their two-point field goals and shot 17 points above their season average from three. Then in the second half, both teams played their average game and we rallied to get to overtime. They got the better of us in the 5-minute frame, but that's hardly indicative of the overall game, which really just demonstrated that you can't defend luck, which is the only reason Wisconsin won. They were lucky in their shooting and won as a result.

Take the L and move on knowing that if you play that one 10 times, yesterday was the only one they would've gotten.
Please. If Hepburn was healthy for the entire game we wouldn’t have gotten close in the 2nd half.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2022, 06:23:57 PM »
Please. If Hepburn was healthy for the entire game we wouldn’t have gotten close in the 2nd half.

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