Big East 2024 -25 Results

[tower912]

Butler is fascinating to me.  They rode a wave with a perfect coach at a perfect time that landed them in the Big East. The challenge is how to sustain it.  They have the famous gym, which isn't that great.  They are stuck in a state with IU, Purdue, ND.  They don't actually have a rich and storied history.
It just seems to me that they have more challenges that don't really get talked about. 
Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?

[Uncle Rico]

Butler is fascinating to me.  They rode a wave with a perfect coach at a perfect time that landed them in the Big East. The challenge is how to sustain it.  They have the famous gym, which isn't that great.  They are stuck in a state with IU, Purdue, ND.  They don't actually have a rich and storied history.
It just seems to me that they have more challenges that don't really get talked about. 
Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?

Butler had a slew of good head coaches prior to Stevens with less tournament success but plenty of wins.  The challenges are immense and that is why I ask what do they want to be?  It takes a lot of resources to be successful and to want to be successful.

I think Creighton will be fine post-McDermott.  He inherited a stable program from Dana Altman.  They want to be a successful program and will do what it takes.  That fan base and alum base is more rabid than we think.  They used to own Arch Madness and still travel to NYC for the BET

[Oldgym]

Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?

A good friend from Omaha has told me more than once of the sense of ownership in that city of Creighton athletics. I believe it. Unlike Indianapolis, there's no NFL, MLB, NHL, or NBA in Omaha, and the power conference competition is the Cornhuskers. I think CU will be fine when Mac hangs it up, assuming the continued relevance of the Big East.

Agree that Butler is an anomaly at this level.

[Scoop Snoop]

I think Creighton will be fine post McDermott. I doubt that Butler will regain their past level of success. They seem to be destined to be, at best. a middle -of-the-pack team. I have consistently been in favor of a collectively strong top-to-bottom BE as being best for Marquette. 

[Billy Hoyle]

Butler is fascinating to me.  They rode a wave with a perfect coach at a perfect time that landed them in the Big East. The challenge is how to sustain it.  They have the famous gym, which isn't that great.  They are stuck in a state with IU, Purdue, ND.  They don't actually have a rich and storied history.
It just seems to me that they have more challenges that don't really get talked about. 
Likewise, what does Creighton have when McDermott leaves?

Creighton will be fine as they are Omaha's pro team. They've got a vast NIL network, a strong fan base outside of alumni, excellent facilities, and will almost always draw 15k plus.

Butler, however, you are spot on. Hinkle is really cool, but it isn't an intimidating place to play in and the practice facility is a dingy gym attacked to Hinkle. They don't have the facilities that will impress four and five star kids. Butler doesn't have much money either, budgetarily or for NIL. For years they rejected invites from the MVC because it would have required an increased financial commitment, but then the Final Four runs happened and they forgot about that when the Big East invited them. The Jordan hire hurt the program and they haven't recovered. They hired Matta to try and reestablish the foundation he built leading to Stevens but it's not working and with a new AD (with ties to MU) I can see them transitioning Matta into a fundraising role and looking outside of the family for a coach, even though the AD played for Stevens under "The Butler Way."

[GoldenEagles03]

Looks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.

Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.

[PGsHeroes32]

Looks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.

Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.

I mean his comment on Dixon being clearly better was just a stupid take and he obviously hasn't looked at much outside scoring output

[wadesworld]

Looks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.

Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.

We're 3 games into the conference season. It'll work itself out.

[Its DJOver]

Who cares, having the POY didn't get PC into the tourney last year, having the POY won't get Nova into the tourney this year.

[Uncle Rico]

Oh, man.  I'm irate

[wadesworld]

Oh, man.  I'm irate

Up for a Scoop X campaign?

[tower912]

(FAUXRAGE)!

[GoldenEagles03]

Who cares, having the POY didn't get PC into the tourney last year, having the POY won't get Nova into the tourney this year.

Forgive me for wanting Marquette to have the Big East POY.

[Its DJOver]

Forgive me for wanting Marquette to have the Big East POY.

Forgive me for preferring team success to individual awards.

[GoldenEagles03]

Forgive me for preferring team success to individual awards.

Who said I prefer individual awards over team success?

Nobody. Because that would be stupid. Of course team success is more important, but it is pretty easy to have both in this case.

Kam is better and deserves the award should he continue this pace. 🤷

[Uncle Rico]

Up for a Scoop X campaign?

Absolutely not

[Its DJOver]

Who said I prefer individual awards over team success?

Nobody. Because that would be stupid. Of course team success is more important, but it is pretty easy to have both in this case.

Kam is better and deserves the award should he continue this pace. 🤷

To fixate on an 2 opinions concerning an individual award this early into the season shows how important you think it is.  The other responses suggesting that nobody cares shows that nobody cares.

Nova can go but their POY banner up next to their 1st round NIT loss banner while they search for a new coach come April.

[GoldenEagles03]

To fixate on an 2 opinions concerning an individual award this early into the season shows how important you think it is.  The other responses suggesting that nobody cares shows that nobody cares.

Nova can go but their POY banner up next to their 1st round NIT loss banner while they search for a new coach come April.

Lol. Ok. Thank you for telling me what I care more about.

What I'm telling you is that I care more about team success, but it is pretty easy in this case to have both...because the team is succeeding and Kam is the best player in the league.

But thanks for your input.

[Its DJOver]

Lol. Ok. Thank you for telling me what I care more about.

What I'm telling you is that I care more about team success, but it is pretty easy in this case to have both...because the team is succeeding and Kam is the best player in the league.

But thanks for your input.

If you care more about team success why are you posting two opinions about an individual award? You're bringing up a topic and then saying that you don't care about it. Feel free to now shift the goalposts the way you always do.

[Hards Alumni]

Looks like we have to root against Nova the rest of the year.

Last night during Butler/Nova LaPhonso Ellis said that Eric Dixon was his BE POY. Laughed it off, but now Fran Fraschilla is on Twitter saying he has seen both Dixon and Kam and Dixon is better.

Yeah, well that's what broadcasters do.  They're dumb-asses with a microphone.  Especially the color guy doing a game... it's sort of his job to glaze the players and be hyperbolic about the game in front of him.

Neither of them get votes for BEPOY, and we've only just began the season.

CYT

[Newsdreams]

Oh, man.  I'm irate

I'm pissed!

[GoldenEagles03]

If you care more about team success why are you posting two opinions about an individual award? You're bringing up a topic and then saying that you don't care about it. Feel free to now shift the goalposts the way you always do.

I do care about it. Just not more than team success though. How are you this incapable of comprehension? Lmao, it is honestly impressive.

Kam Jones is a player for Marquette. He was robbed of All Conference last season, he shouldn't be robbed of POY this year too. I would like to see Marquette players rewarded for their success and Kam joining Crowder, Howard, and Kolek would be both cool and good for the program.

[Its DJOver]

I do care about it. Just not more than team success though. How are you this incapable of comprehension? Lmao, it is honestly impressive.

Kam Jones is a player for Marquette. He was robbed of All Conference last season, he shouldn't be robbed of POY this year too. I would like to see Marquette players rewarded for their success and Kam joining Crowder, Howard, and Kolek would be both cool and good for the program.

Again, who cares? From the looks of things, its just you, per usual. I did like the goalpost shift to complain about last year though, one of your better ones.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm pissed!

You should be.  Hurts our NET

[PGsHeroes32]

You should be.  Hurts our NET

But what does it do for the BE cause as a whole?