Could Ivy League offer scholarships or schools leave?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

So this story this morning.  Was not aware their exemption ended.

Why Ivy League schools could award athletic scholarships in the future

David Borges
Oct. 16, 2022

https://www.ctinsider.com/college/article/Could-athletic-scholarships-be-coming-to-Ivy-17507200.php

[DFW HOYA]

Big difference between "can" and "will".

[WhiteTrash]

This would help level the playing field between the Ivy League and UW-Madison (if only in sports). I'm not going to act goofy and predict that Harvard could ever be Madison, but the folks in Cambridge can dream to truly be the UW-Madison of the East.

[MuggsyB]

This would help level the playing field between the Ivy League and UW-Madison (if only in sports). I'm not going to act goofy and predict that Harvard could ever be Madison, but the folks in Cambridge can dream to truly be the UW-Madison of the East.

If Harvard plays the NIL game they will get the top 10 players every year. 

[Billy Hoyle]

The Ivy aid model is actually advantageous in equivalency sports like Men's Soccer and Baseball. It is not uncommon for them to get more in need based aid than they could be offered at a scholarship school limited to 9.9 scholarships in MSOC or 11.7 in BASE for the whole team.

And cry me a river, Brandon Sherrod. He chose Yale, got a nearly free degree from Yale he may not have had access too if not for basketball abilities, has access to employment networks 99% of college grads will never know (and even more than most Ivy grads graduating from Choat), and he's complaining about having some student loans. He should have chosen Fairfield or Central Connecticut State).:He certainly mastered the Ivy sense of entitlement. 

My guess is he wouldn't have been able to redshirt as a senior and keep his scholarship to travel the world singing acapella as a Whiffenpoof.

But," he noted, "I always thought about what it would be like if I didn't have any debt coming out of school. I think it would have been really nice to have started with a clean slate, and still having an Ivy League degree. And going out and choosing whatever career I want to choose."

[Billy Hoyle]

If Harvard plays the NIL game they will get the top 10 players every year.

They still have to get them in and meet the Ivy Index, which was increased about 10 years ago due Harvard's basketball recruiting and lowering of academic credentials.

[MU82]

The Ivy aid model is actually advantageous in equivalency sports like Men's Soccer and Baseball. It is not uncommon for them to get more in need based aid than they could be offered at a scholarship school limited to 9.9 scholarships in MSOC or 11.7 in BASE for the whole team.

And cry me a river, Brandon Sherrod. He chose Yale, got a nearly free degree from Yale he may not have had access too if not for basketball abilities, has access to employment networks 99% of college grads will never know (and even more than most Ivy grads graduating from Choat), and he's complaining about having some student loans. He should have chosen Fairfield or Central Connecticut State).:He certainly mastered the Ivy sense of entitlement. 

But," he noted, "I always thought about what it would be like if I didn't have any debt coming out of school. I think it would have been really nice to have started with a clean slate, and still having an Ivy League degree. And going out and choosing whatever career I want to choose."

Yeah, what a jerk (who now runs free clinics for kids).

He should know that the Ivies are for rich people who get in as "legacies" and don't need aid.

[DFW HOYA]

He should know that the Ivies are for rich people who get in as "legacies" and don't need aid.

Notre Dame admits more legacies than Cornell.

[MU82]

Notre Dame admits more legacies than Cornell.

Good to know.

[DFW HOYA]

Good to know.

A better point is that while Ivy schools admit fewer legacies that we think, their acceptance rate is considerably better than the 5-10% number overall. But to be fair, a number of special interest groups fare better than a 10% accept rate, including athletes.

[withoutbias]

I know someone who went to an Ivy League School.  Was accepted into 4 very good schools and denied by 4 very good schools.  One of the schools that denied her was Wash U.  The family allegedly knew some people who have some knowledge of the acceptance process at Wash U and they were told that if they get students who are almost "overqualified" and know there's little chance they would choose Wash U they will deny them to keep their number down on how many people turn down their acceptance.  Is that actually a thing schools do?

[Newsdreams]

I know someone who went to an Ivy League School.  Was accepted into 4 very good schools and denied by 4 very good schools.  One of the schools that denied her was Wash U.  The family allegedly knew some people who have some knowledge of the acceptance process at Wash U and they were told that if they get students who are almost "overqualified" and know there's little chance they would choose Wash U they will deny them to keep their number down on how many people turn down their acceptance.  Is that actually a thing schools do?

Yes it keeps school rating up. There has been suggestions MU do same, MU is a very popular safety school in that regard.

[MU82]

A better point is that while Ivy schools admit fewer legacies that we think, their acceptance rate is considerably better than the 5-10% number overall. But to be fair, a number of special interest groups fare better than a 10% accept rate, including athletes.

Also good to know.

Curious where you get your stats on legacy admissions.

[muwarrior69]

The Ivy aid model is actually advantageous in equivalency sports like Men's Soccer and Baseball. It is not uncommon for them to get more in need based aid than they could be offered at a scholarship school limited to 9.9 scholarships in MSOC or 11.7 in BASE for the whole team.

And cry me a river, Brandon Sherrod. He chose Yale, got a nearly free degree from Yale he may not have had access too if not for basketball abilities, has access to employment networks 99% of college grads will never know (and even more than most Ivy grads graduating from Choat), and he's complaining about having some student loans. He should have chosen Fairfield or Central Connecticut State).:He certainly mastered the Ivy sense of entitlement. 

My guess is he wouldn't have been able to redshirt as a senior and keep his scholarship to travel the world singing acapella as a Whiffenpoof.

But," he noted, "I always thought about what it would be like if I didn't have any debt coming out of school. I think it would have been really nice to have started with a clean slate, and still having an Ivy League degree. And going out and choosing whatever career I want to choose."

I started with a clean slate because the cost of college was affordable for my working class parents to pay for a degree that cost less and had more purchasing power than the same high priced degree today. Some parents, though they want their children highly educated, are asking is college worth the cost today? There are careers to choose from without going into debt.

[Billy Hoyle]

Yeah, what a jerk (who now runs free clinics for kids).

He should know that the Ivies are for rich people who get in as "legacies" and don't need aid.

If he's running free clinics (when not playing pro basketball abroad, an playing in the TBT) then everything worked out fir him despite having to take our a few thousand in loans.

Only MU82 Would feel sorry for a Chote and Yale grad and think a guy like that got a raw deal. 

[MU82]

If he's running free clinics (when not playing pro basketball abroad, an playing in the TBT) then everything worked out fir him despite having to take our a few thousand in loans.

Only MU82 Would feel sorry for a Chote and Yale grad and think a guy like that got a raw deal. 

Who said anything about feeling sorry for anybody?

Find another strawman, chicosjr.

[Billy Hoyle]

Notre Dame admits more legacies than Cornell.

There is admission of kids designated as "legacies" who can simply be someone whose sibling is a current student or parents are graduates and still  through the regular admission process, and automatically admitting someone based solely on their legacy standing and donor history. Not only do Ivy schools send the big dollar/powerful connection legacy applicants through a separate admission process (see: Jared Kuschner) but once in they are protected academically and basically guaranteed to graduate with honors.

[Billy Hoyle]

Who said anything about feeling sorry for anybody?

Find another strawman, chicosjr.

Says the the old man who is king of the straw man.

Obsession...

[MU82]

Says the the old man who is king of the straw man.

Obsession...

Don't you have some books to ban?

[The Sultan]

The Ivy aid model is actually advantageous in equivalency sports like Men's Soccer and Baseball. It is not uncommon for them to get more in need based aid than they could be offered at a scholarship school limited to 9.9 scholarships in MSOC or 11.7 in BASE for the whole team.

And cry me a river, Brandon Sherrod. He chose Yale, got a nearly free degree from Yale he may not have had access too if not for basketball abilities, has access to employment networks 99% of college grads will never know (and even more than most Ivy grads graduating from Choat), and he's complaining about having some student loans. He should have chosen Fairfield or Central Connecticut State).:He certainly mastered the Ivy sense of entitlement. 

My guess is he wouldn't have been able to redshirt as a senior and keep his scholarship to travel the world singing acapella as a Whiffenpoof.

But," he noted, "I always thought about what it would be like if I didn't have any debt coming out of school. I think it would have been really nice to have started with a clean slate, and still having an Ivy League degree. And going out and choosing whatever career I want to choose."

He hardly sounds entitled. He admits he received a great education, wonders what it would have been like had he went elsewhere, and is glad that future Yale students may get athletic scholarships.

[Newsdreams]

If he's running free clinics (when not playing pro basketball abroad, an playing in the TBT) then everything worked out fir him despite having to take our a few thousand in loans.

Only MU82 Would feel sorry for a Chote and Yale grad and think a guy like that got a raw deal. 

Sorry to be a jerk but it is Choate was in same conference and competed against them '76-'79. Complete name is Choate Rosemary Hall, sounds soft so they go by Choate.

[21Jumpstreet]

I know someone who went to an Ivy League School.  Was accepted into 4 very good schools and denied by 4 very good schools.  One of the schools that denied her was Wash U.  The family allegedly knew some people who have some knowledge of the acceptance process at Wash U and they were told that if they get students who are almost "overqualified" and know there's little chance they would choose Wash U they will deny them to keep their number down on how many people turn down their acceptance.  Is that actually a thing schools do?

Yes, it is. My son was accepted to UPenn (he is a freshman there) and waitlisted at Michigan. He was denied at others (Stanford, MIT, USC). Michigan asked him to send an additional essay saying he really wanted to go there before they would move him along in the process. His roommate at Penn is a NYC, boarding school kid, and a legacy. It's definitely a massaging of the numbers.

[Avenue Commons]

" Ivy League schools boast endowments ranging from $7 billion to $54 billion."

[MU82]

His roommate at Penn is a NYC, boarding school kid, and a legacy. It's definitely a massaging of the numbers.

Many of the same people who are outraged about colleges improving their diversity by admitting intelligent minority students who might not qualify by standardized tests seem to have absolutely no problem with legacies getting in, whether they are qualified or not.

[tower912]

'Legacies'.   See:  Bronny James and Nike.