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MU82

Marcus Smart-worthy flop by Mat Ishbia.
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WhiteTrash

I think Ishbia will be "donating" to the NBA charitable fund.

Rightfully so, he in the wrong. It's a minor incident, but he should know better.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2023, 12:49:48 PM
I think Ishbia will be "donating" to the NBA charitable fund.

Rightfully so, he in the wrong. It's a minor incident, but he should know better.

Ishiba played for Izzo.  Not surprised he's a flopper
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 08, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
Ishiba played for Izzo.  Not surprised he's a flopper
Could be worse, if he had been a Badger, the Joker would have got a punch in the nuts.

StillAWarrior

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2023, 01:26:21 PM
Could be worse, if he had been a Badger, the Joker would have got a punch in the nuts.

Imagine if he played for Alabama.
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MuggsyB

Both the NBA and college hoops honestly need to-do something about the flop charge.  It's an embarrassment and isn't a basketball play. 

tower912

It absolutely is a basketball play that has been around forever.  As nearly every other form of physical defense has been removed, as well as the circle under the basket, I would probably quit watching if they eliminated the charge.
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MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on May 08, 2023, 07:42:42 PM
It absolutely is a basketball play that has been around forever.  As nearly every other form of physical defense has been removed, as well as the circle under the basket, I would probably quit watching if they eliminated the charge.

So if a guy with very little force bumps your body going to the basket, and you fall on your ass like you were tackled by a 310 pound DT, that's a basketball play?

tower912

#2361
Always has been.

Conversely, you seem to think that a player like LeBron should be able to put his shoulder into a defender's sternum and plow his way to the basket.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on May 08, 2023, 08:19:31 PM
Always has been.

Conversely, you seem to think that a player like LeBron should be able to put his shoulder into a defender's sternum and plow his way to the basket.

You can make a distinction between a heavy player bowling over a smaller guy but stop falling down and let them be more physical defensively. 

MuggsyB

I'm not saying get rid of every offensive foul but distinctions have to be made. 

tower912

Sanogo through Oso's chest.    I would be very happy if defenders were allowed to be more physical.

Then why say it is an embarrassment and not a basketball play?  It is permissible as the rules are currently written.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 08, 2023, 08:26:41 PM
I'm not saying get rid of every offensive foul but distinctions have to be made. 

If refs call it, it's a "basketball play." Refs shouldn't fall for it, but they do.
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MuggsyB

Let's discuss this further.  Say for example Muggsy or Iverson blow by their primary defender, accelerate to the rim, and bump a guy like Kevin Love.  Shouldn't the size and weight of the players in discussion be taken into account? 

tower912

#2367
No.

Shaq catches, turns, and bulldozes Muggsy who is in the wrong place at the wrong time.   Block, right?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on May 08, 2023, 08:43:05 PM
No.

So if Muggs leveled Shaq on a drive that's a good defensive basketball play?  I disagree.

MuggsyB

Muggs rejected Ewing a few times.  :)

tower912

If Addae-Wusu gets into perfect help position and Sean Jones falls over him driving to the basket, it is a charge and should be.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on May 08, 2023, 08:49:44 PM
If Addae-Wusu gets into perfect help position and Sean Jones falls over him driving to the basket, it is a charge and should be.


Jones the Younger should be watching video of Muggsy. 

MuggsyB

Is Jimmy Butler a Hall of Famer?

BM1090

Ban secondary defenders taking charges.

wadesworld

Quote from: BM1090 on May 08, 2023, 08:59:42 PM
Ban secondary defenders taking charges.

This would probably be the best middle ground.

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