2022-23 NBA Thread

[Skatastrophy]

The bigger thing is they now don't have to rush Embiid back for G2.  The strangest stat of the night is that Jaylen Brown took 3 shots after the 1Q after he started the game 6-7.  Bizarre. 

Jalen Brown scares the crap out of me. When he's cooking he's better than Tatum

[MU82]

The bigger thing is they now don't have to rush Embiid back for G2.

Yep. No need to play him unless he's 100%, and it seems doubtful he will be. Really, an incredible win for the Sixers.

[MuggsyB]

Yep. No need to play him unless he's 100%, and it seems doubtful he will be. Really, an incredible win for the Sixers.

Turnovers ultimately doomed the C's.  Philly with 14 more shots 6 only 6 turns.  It's such an important stat and was vital to MU's success until the tragic events of March 19th.

[MU82]

Turnovers ultimately doomed the C's.  Philly with 14 more shots 6 only 6 turns.  It's such an important stat and was vital to MU's success until the tragic events of March 17th.

We didn't play great against Vermont, but I wouldn't call our win "tragic."

[MuggsyB]

We didn't play great against Vermont, but I wouldn't call our win "tragic."

My bad.  I meant the 19th.

[MuggsyB]

Jokic is gonna need some help and thus far he's gotten didly squat from the others .  Time for Murray to wake up.

[MuggsyB]

Good win for Denver considering Murray didn't have it.  Phoenix has no depth and no one really to guard the Joker. 

[The Sultan]

The bigger thing is they now don't have to rush Embiid back for G2.  The strangest stat of the night is that Jaylen Brown took 3 shots after the 1Q after he started the game 6-7.  Bizarre. 

PJ Tucker.

[MU82]

KD 10-27, including 2-12 from 3.

[4everwarriors]

Inconsequential, aina?

[Jockey]

Just did something I almost never do - watched Colin Cowherd (I know, but I had 15 minutes to waste).

He listed his 7 greatest NBA players ever and the first 6 are identical to mine.

Kareem, MJ, LeBron, Steph, Magic, and Bird. As of now, to me, these are written in stone.

He had Shaq at #7 which I am fine with although arguments can be made for 4 or 5 others.

[MuggsyB]

Just did something I almost never do - watched Colin Cowherd (I know, but I had 15 minutes to waste).

He listed his 7 greatest NBA players ever and the first 6 are identical to mine.

Kareem, MJ, LeBron, Steph, Magic, and Bird. As of now, to me, these are written in stone.

He had Shaq at #7 which I am fine with although arguments can be made for 4 or 5 others.

Kind of tough to not have Chamberlain or Russell in the conversation.  For different reasons but still.  Look at Wilt's stats for starters.  I'm not sure they should be penalized cause the game was different and before most people's time. 

[Spotcheck Billy]

Kind of tough to not have Chamberlain or Russell in the conversation.  For different reasons but still.  Look at Wilt's stats for starters.  I'm not sure they should be penalized cause the game was different and before most people's time. 

That's awesome that you stick up for the big people!

[MuggsyB]

Take a look at Wilt's first nine seasons.  It's seriously ridiculous.

[Hards Alumni]

Take a look at Wilt's first nine seasons.  It's seriously ridiculous.

Player quality during that period of time and lack of a three point line made Wilt the best.  The game was very different.

[The Sultan]

Larry Bird's not top 7. It's doubtful he's even top 10.

[Uncle Rico]

Player quality during that period of time and lack of a three point line made Wilt the best.  The game was very different.

But he dominated when the rules were the same for all.  Dominance is dominance

[MuggsyB]

Player quality during that period of time and lack of a three point line made Wilt the best.  The game was very different.

He completely dominated and shredded people in his era.  It's his fault he put up insane numbers because everyone else sucked and there was no 3pt line?  I'm not buying that explanation.  You can only play in your era so I guess his 38 ppg and 29 rebs his rookie season should be discounted?  Was the NBA in Lillyput back in the 60's?

[tower912]

Wilt was amazing.  A physical freak.   Bigger, stronger, faster than his opponents.  There simply were not mobile 7 footers in the sixties.   Russell was his toughest opponent, Russell was 6'9.
Elgin Baylor and Oscar Robertson were amazing for their era, two amazingly successful big guards who dominated their opponents physically.   They were both in the 6'5, 220lb neighborhood.

Wilt was a freak for his era.

[The Sultan]

The NBA had a real fast pace in the 1960s - the league averaged over 100 FGAs per game in the late 60s, whereas now it is the high 80s.  At the same time, teams didn't shoot very well.  So it was tailor made for his era. He was incredibly athletic and could play all game, run the floor constantly so the pace didn't bother him, and could grab rebounds on both ends, and score with ease when he got the ball close.

[Hards Alumni]

He completely dominated and shredded people in his era.  It's his fault he put up insane numbers because everyone else sucked and there was no 3pt line?  I'm not buying that explanation.  You can only play in your era so I guess his 38 ppg and 29 rebs his rookie season should be discounted?  Was the NBA in Lillyput back in the 60's?

It's called perspective.  Comparing player across decades is always going to get strange due to rule changes.

[MuggsyB]

Wilt was amazing.  A physical freak.   Bigger, stronger, faster than his opponents.  There simply were not mobile 7 footers in the sixties.   Russell was his toughest opponent, Russell was 6'9.
Elgin Baylor and Oscar Robertson were amazing for their era, two amazingly successful big guards who dominated their opponents physically.   They were both in the 6'5, 220lb neighborhood.

Wilt was a freak for his era.

Tower,

Baylor is often considered the most underrated player ever.  I have never heard anyone until now discuss the greatness of the players in the 60's with a caveat that "player quality wasn't good" so therefore they can't be in the discussion among the all-time best players.   This is nonsensical. 

[tower912]

I am not saying that.  Wilt would dominate any era.  And good players with modern training, conditioning, etc would be successful.   I have every expectation Elgin/O would be successful now.   They would not be able to physically bully their opponents.

[MuggsyB]

I am not saying that.  Wilt would dominate any era.  And good players with modern training, conditioning, etc would be successful.   I have every expectation Elgin/O would be successful now.   They would not be able to physically bully their opponents.

I wasn't referring to you.  I also think the fact that the 3pt line is so important now doesn't change how great someone is now or back in the day.  We're spoiled by the greatness of Curry.  The guy is just different and his overall shooting is on a completely different level.  The fact that he can get quality shots off is also at a different level than those his height. 

The fact of the matter is no one that knows anything about the game would say for example thaf Damian Lillard, Van Vleet, Jamal Murray, Tyler Herro, Malcom Brogdon, etc, etc, etc, etc are better players than Isiah Thomas or Jerry West because they make threes.

[Jockey]

Wilt was amazing.  A physical freak.   Bigger, stronger, faster than his opponents.  There simply were not mobile 7 footers in the sixties.   Russell was his toughest opponent, Russell was 6'9.
Elgin Baylor and Oscar Robertson were amazing for their era, two amazingly successful big guards who dominated their opponents physically.   They were both in the 6'5, 220lb neighborhood.

Wilt was a freak for his era.

I agree with your comments about Wilt. One of the greatest athletes ever. Two reasons why he isn't in my top 6.

1. He was playing against vastly inferior athletes on a regular basis.

2. The lane was 4 feet narrower than it is now. A lot easier to get at the hoop for his finger rolls ( his favorite shot) and dunks.