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MuggsyB

What are the real facts on this one?  I've read a few articles with wide ranges of opinion.   I know Abbot isn't thrilled with a few narratives being bandied about.  You would think this crisis in solvable and there should be some sense of urgency?  I have some personal anecdotes from my cousin in Austin but perhaps some of you have  stories and solutions?  How this has happened is pretty dumbfoubding even with supply chain issues or what have you.

tower912

Big factory in Michigan got shut down.   It will be reopening shortly.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Pakuni

It's a bit of a perfect storm, but it essentially comes down to the U.S. baby formula market being cornered by three American companies and one of them shutting down production because of a recall.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
It's a bit of a perfect storm, but it essentially comes down to the U.S. baby formula market being cornered by three American companies and one of them shutting down production because of a recall.

This. It doesn't seem to be any kind of sinister plot. Hopefully it will be remedied soon.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Shaka Shart

I work for an ex Abbott company and have experienced the same occurrence of what happened. You slow walk replacement of capital machinery in order to hit a certain capital cash flow number and then old machines past their reasonable useful life break down and cause bigger problems than just replacing them when it was time to. FDA needs to get off their ass on matters like this too.
" There are two things I can consistently smell.    Poop and Chlorine.  All poop smells like acrid baby poop mixed with diaper creme. And almost anything that smells remotely like poop; porta-johns, water filtration plants, fertilizer, etc., smells exactly the same." - Tower912

Re: COVID-19

jficke13

Not to make it political, but it recently got mainstreamed by one of the political prime time hosts, which has caused an a cute run on shelf supplies of the products not affected by the shutdown.

Nada on the shelves in Waukesha the last few days in several stores we've checked.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Our daughter was born two months before COVID. There were times we couldn't get formula in the store because there was a rush on it by doomsday preppers when COVID started.  I doubt that's a major factor this time but I wonder if there are some with stockpiles who don't need it.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


jesmu84

Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
It's a bit of a perfect storm, but it essentially comes down to the U.S. baby formula market being cornered by three American companies and one of them shutting down production because of a recall.

Nailed it.

Another sector with "monopoly lite" dynamics.

Billy Hoyle

Bette Midler said it isn't an issue, women just need to breast feed and stop complaining. Problem solved.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

MuggsyB

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 15, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
Bette Midler said it isn't an issue, women just need to breast feed and stop complaining. Problem solved.

Good one.

It is a little weird we only have three baby food companies.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 15, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
Bette Midler said it isn't an issue, women just need to breast feed and stop complaining. Problem solved.

My mother in law said the same thing this morning.  My wife showed amazing restraint while addressing that comment
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MuggsyB

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 15, 2022, 12:23:36 PM
Our daughter was born two months before COVID. There were times we couldn't get formula in the store because there was a rush on it by doomsday preppers when COVID started.  I doubt that's a major factor this time but I wonder if there are some with stockpiles who don't need it.

There's some stockpiling for sure.  I assume your daughter is now having an assortment of cuisines/meals and has stepped up her eating game. 

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 15, 2022, 01:30:03 PM
There's some stockpiling for sure.  I assume your daughter is now having an assortment of cuisines/meals and has stepped up her eating game.

For sure.  Crazy child will eat anything.  She even loves spicy food
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


tower912

Bette said something outrageous and got pilloried for it.   Stop looking for reasons to snowflake.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MuggsyB

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 15, 2022, 01:50:07 PM
For sure.  Crazy child will eat anything.  She even loves spicy food

Smart kid.  Sounds like you and Mrs. TAMU Eagle need to get your cooking skills closer to her sophistication level.

Herman Cain

Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
It's a bit of a perfect storm, but it essentially comes down to the U.S. baby formula market being cornered by three American companies and one of them shutting down production because of a recall.
In addition, there is specialized processes and equipment , as the baby formula has to meet a very high regulatory bar. So alternative production can not come on line quickly .
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NCMUFan

Appears to be real.  Wife works in WIC.

brewcity77

It's real and it's been real. Finding formula has been tough for the last 4-5 months, but it really became impossible about 6 weeks ago. Target, Walmart, Pick N Save, Woodman's, Piggly Wiggly, they're all wiped.

I was lucky to find 2 canisters of our regular formula a month ago. I also got a canister of "Gentlease" which has iron added, which has led to our son being constipated the last month. I've cut down the mix to try to minimize the constipation, but there's no formula to be found.

On the plus side, he's 6 weeks away from being able to drink milk instead of formula. I'm hoping we have enough to make it that long. It'll be close. Really glad he's 10 months and not 2. I don't know what we'd do.

pbiflyer

Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
It's a bit of a perfect storm, but it essentially comes down to the U.S. baby formula market being cornered by three American companies and one of them shutting down production because of a recall.

Yah unfettered capitalism! (Right?)

MUeng

Costco here in Denver has infant formula. I only picked up two canisters, no need to hoard but makes me a lil nervous. Pediatricians also have some if things get real bad. Byheart is the only startup I know of stateside. Crazy how dominated the industry is. No new entrants in some 15 years? Wow.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 15, 2022, 02:11:54 PM
Smart kid.  Sounds like you and Mrs. TAMU Eagle need to get your cooking skills closer to her sophistication level.

Oh,  I married very well.  This child wants for nothing in the cuisine department
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Sir Lawrence

Part of the issue is tariffs.  Inability to price compete with domestic producers squeezed Canadian formula producers in the USA market.
Ludum habemus.

MuggsyB

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 15, 2022, 06:57:40 PM
Oh,  I married very well.  This child wants for nothing in the cuisine department

"This child" will need a myriad of prime-time dishes and cuisines moving forward.  It's all fun and games now but don't be surprised with some of her requests by the time she hits kindergarten. 

MU Fan in Connecticut

I read several Canadian and European baby food makers are excluded from the USA market simply because of labeling and nothing else.

pbiflyer

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 16, 2022, 08:09:05 AM
I read several Canadian and European baby food makers are excluded from the USA market simply because of labeling and nothing else.

Tariffs play a far greater role. Even the WSJ agrees.
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/who-made-the-baby-formula-shortage-biden-administration-abbott-tariffs-nestle-11652480538

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