Post Mortem

[Uncle Rico]

Some of y'all need to get laid more often

[Farley36]

What?

Apparently now Clarissa thinks UNC wasn't even a bad loss.  😂😂😂😂

[Farley36]

you and Farley, spot on. My concern is attitude. By the first tv timeout vs UNC it seemed the fight, the will to win, with the exception of a player or two, was gone. The team tapped out. How else do you explain such an a$$ kick? Leadership within the team? As I recall, Marquette made nice comebacks at UConn and at Butler, only to fall short. Otherwise, imo if you throw a jab hook combo at MU early, the corner will waive the white towel. Talent for sure, but the mental aspect of the game is huge.

Exactly!

[Goose]

Farley

Only an idiot with think the UNC was anything but an ass kicking and embarrassing. IMO, only a bigger idiot would be comparing the UNC blasting to any previous NCAA failure.

[Farley36]

Farley

Only an idiot with think the UNC was anything but an ass kicking and embarrassing. IMO, only a bigger idiot would be comparing the UNC blasting to any previous NCAA failure.

Apparently there are plenty of idiots on this board because the general consensus appears to be that the UNC loss was no big deal.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Apparently there are plenty of idiots on this board because the general consensus appears to be that the UNC loss was no big deal.

Is it possible for something to be both an ass kicking/embarrassment and also no big deal?

[willie warrior]

Patience Willie, sustained success is coming.

UNC- a really good team that underperformed during the season to earn a lower seed than they should have been. MU- an average talented team that overperformed to earn a higher seed than they should have been. Perfect storm of teams going in opposite directions. Simple as that to me. Shaka coached his ass off to get his team a higher seed than the talent warranted.

Well he needs to recruit his ass off to upgrade the talent level from 3 star

[willie warrior]

Believe me when I say this willie; I never give you a single thought outside of your constant Eeyore comments on this board.

I don't believe you. And stop rationalizing
Let the late season burnout remind you of how much further Shaka/MU must improve from their current mid major level.

[The Sultan]

Wording.  I believe he's saying "[MU's performance against] UNC was bad, period."

OK that makes sense.  I thought he meant that they weren't a good team.  Carry on...

[willie warrior]

Apparently there are plenty of idiots on this board because the general consensus appears to be that the UNC loss was no big deal.

No way that it was no big deal. And even more of a big deal was the way the team played down the stretch. 3 losses to Creighton including in BEast tourney. Ass kicking by DePaul and then UNC

[Goose]

Willie

I love four and five star guys as much as the next guy, but there are plenty of three star guys playing this weekend. I always laugh when I see someone on here saw a guy in their town play and MU has to have them. Only can speak for myself, but when I watch a high school game, or college for that matter, I usually can tell the best kid on the court or close the best on the court and I would have no idea if the kid was a three, four or five star unless I knew beforehand. My point, I have no problem with Shaka recruiting, at this point, regardless of ranking. Once here the kids he recruits to perform and win basketball games.

[dgies9156]

Some of y'all need to get laid more often

The fear is, they are.

[Hards Alumni]

I don't believe you. And stop rationalizing
Let the late season burnout remind you of how much further Shaka/MU must improve from their current mid major level.

Again, find a new hobby.  This one doesn't suit you.

[Hards Alumni]

Farley

Only an idiot with think the UNC was anything but an ass kicking and embarrassing. IMO, only a bigger idiot would be comparing the UNC blasting to any previous NCAA failure.

?????????  The UNC blasting was minor.  It sucked, but UNC was criminally under-seeded, and we were picked 9th in the BEAST.

[Uncle Rico]

?????????  The UNC blasting was minor.  It sucked, but UNC was criminally under-seeded, and we were picked 9th in the BEAST.

Carolina was a bubble team deep into February.  They weren't underseeded.  They entered the tournament 30th in KenPom.  They underachieved, maybe, but they weren't underseeded based on results

[panda]

?????????  The UNC blasting was minor.  It sucked, but UNC was criminally under-seeded, and we were picked 9th in the BEAST.

Unc is performing above their seed but were seeded appropriately.

[Goose]

Hards

The UNC game was an ass kicking and embarrassing, but far from the low point of my MU memories. As TAMU noted, it can be an ass kicking and not a big deal at the same time.

[withoutbias]

The entire ACC seems to have been underseeded.

Carolina went 15-5 and finished tied for second in the ACC. In no world is that an 8 seed.

[Hards Alumni]

Hards

The UNC game was an ass kicking and embarrassing, but far from the low point of my MU memories. As TAMU noted, it can be an ass kicking and not a big deal at the same time.

Gotcha, so we are in agreement.

[Hards Alumni]

Carolina was a bubble team deep into February.  They weren't underseeded.  They entered the tournament 30th in KenPom.  They underachieved, maybe, but they weren't underseeded based on results

They lost three games since 1/22 but okay.

[panda]

The entire ACC seems to have been underseeded.

Carolina went 15-5 and finished tied for second in the ACC. In no world is that an 8 seed.

It is this year with how poor the bottom of the ACC was.

[Uncle Rico]

They lost three games since 1/22 but okay.

The ACC wasn't good this year. 

Also, one of those losses was a 20-point home loss to Duke.  They also lost at home to Pitt and by 13 to VaTech.  They needed overtime to beat Syracuse at home. 

[Pakuni]

?????????  The UNC blasting was minor.  It sucked, but UNC was criminally under-seeded, and we were picked 9th in the BEAST.

I wish people would stop citing the Big East preseason predictions as if they're some sort of predestination that MU miraculously overcame. The preseason rankings kinda sucked and should not be taken seriously as a measure of a team's success.

Preseason (actual in parentheses)
1. Villanova (2)
2. UConn (3)
3. Xavier  (7)
4. St. John's (8)
5. Seton Hall (5)
6. Butler(10)
7. Providence (1)
8. Creighton (4)
9. Marquette (6)
10. Georgetown (11)
11. DePaul (9)

[Hards Alumni]

I wish people would stop citing the Big East preseason predictions as if they're some sort of predestination that MU miraculously overcame. The preseason rankings kinda sucked and should not be taken seriously as a measure of a team's success.

Preseason (actual in parentheses)
1. Villanova (2)
2. UConn (3)
3. Xavier  (7)
4. St. John's (8)
5. Seton Hall (5)
6. Butler(10)
7. Providence (1)
8. Creighton (4)
9. Marquette (6)
10. Georgetown (11)
11. DePaul (9)

Ah, so how do you suggest we create expectations for a season?  Should there be none?  Kenpom's starting value for Marquette was 87.. which placed it 9th in the Big East.

    Villanova — #9
    Connecticut — #21
    Xavier — #26
    Seton Hall — #50
    St. John's — #51
    Creighton — #53
    Butler — #55
    Georgetown — #76
    Providence — #85
    Marquette — #87
    DePaul — #140

https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/10/17/22731118/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-preseason-kenpom-ranking-rating-shaka-smart

[muwarrior97]

Hards

The UNC game was an ass kicking and embarrassing, but far from the low point of my MU memories. As TAMU noted, it can be an ass kicking and not a big deal at the same time.

IT WAS A CURB-STOMPING, MU GOTTA WEAR IT ALL OFF-SEASON