Seed Matters

[PointWarrior]

Proper characterization of the COLE cult.

I agree with the poster who said Game #1 of the tournament is our Super Bowl. Scoopers are mentally prepared that whoever Game #2 is against is going to be a "bad matchup" because it's going to feature very, very good basketball players in an arena close to their home, correct?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Proper characterization of the COLE cult.

Are you from the Department of Redundancy Department?

[fjm]

Are you from the Department of Redundancy Department?

Haha that's a great line. I'm stealing it.

But he is def part of the COLE. It's funny, he calls people out on it but definitely is part of
The COLE that he speaks of.

[PointWarrior]

Yeah, sure. Whatever.

Expressing they have been playing like dog crap lately and expecting better is now COLE, ok, then I am "COLE" with it.

Haha that's a great line. I'm stealing it.

But he is def part of the COLE. It's funny, he calls people out on it but definitely is part of
The COLE that he speaks of.

[fjm]

Yeah, sure. Whatever.

Just stating facts bruh. You def in COLE yourself.

[Don_Kojis]

Just because some people forecast us for a 7th or 8th seed doesn't mean the ncaa thinks the same.   There are always a couple of teams that everyone thought were locks and they didn't make it.  I really believe we have to win the last 2 and win the first in the tourney to get a 6 or 7.   We could end up a 10 or worse by losing to depaul or St John's.

[GoldenEagles03]

Disagree

Why? Creighton's PG broke his wrist and is out for the year.

They likely aren't beating UConn or Seton Hall.  If they don't and Marquette wins at least 1 game then Creighton falls to the 6.

That's most likely.

[bradforster]

Since 1985 here's the breakdown of National Champions by seed:

SEED  NUMBER OF CHAMPS  PERCENTAGE OF CHAMPS
   1                   23                             64%
   2                    5                              14%
   3                    4                              11%
   4                    1                                3%
   5                    0                                0%
   6                    1                                3%
   7                    1                                3%
   8                    1                                3%

[MuggsyB]

Why? Creighton's PG broke his wrist and is out for the year.

They likely aren't beating UConn or Seton Hall.  If they don't and Marquette wins at least 1 game then Creighton falls to the 6.

That's most likely.

I'm not sure about that with both games being in Omaha.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Since 1985 here's the breakdown of National Champions by seed:

SEED  NUMBER OF CHAMPS  PERCENTAGE OF CHAMPS
   1                   23                             64%
   2                    5                              14%
   3                    4                              11%
   4                    1                                3%
   5                    0                                0%
   6                    1                                3%
   7                    1                                3%
   8                    1                                3%

And honestly, without taking too big of a dive into the metrics, Villanova was probably very underseeded in 1985

[Newsdreams]

Since 1985 here's the breakdown of National Champions by seed:

SEED  NUMBER OF CHAMPS  PERCENTAGE OF CHAMPS
   1                   23                             64%
   2                    5                              14%
   3                    4                              11%
   4                    1                                3%
   5                    0                                0%
   6                    1                                3%
   7                    1                                3%
   8                    1                                3%

The curse of the 5 seed

[82fanatic]

Since 1985 here's the breakdown of National Champions by seed:

SEED  NUMBER OF CHAMPS  PERCENTAGE OF CHAMPS
   1                   23                             64%
   2                    5                              14%
   3                    4                              11%
   4                    1                                3%
   5                    0                                0%
   6                    1                                3%
   7                    1                                3%
   8                    1                                3%

According to this, 6,7, or 8 gives us an equal chance!  😂

[Jay Bee]

Why? Creighton's PG broke his wrist and is out for the year.

They likely aren't beating UConn or Seton Hall.  If they don't and Marquette wins at least 1 game then Creighton falls to the 6.

That's most likely.

Disagree. Most likely they win 1 of 2.

The PG is still 18, 6 feet tall, and has an 87 ORtg in Conf play.

[wisblue]

And honestly, without taking too big of a dive into the metrics, Villanova was probably very underseeded in 1985

Villanova was not underseeded in 1985.

They underperformed during the season and finally played to their potential in the tournament.

This is an annual pet peeve of mine. When a team with a low seed advances far in the tournament (like UCLA) last year it doesn't mean the seed was wrong. The Selection Committee focuses a lot more on what a team actually does during the season than what they should be capable of doing.

Ditto for a team that has a high seed and is eliminated early. If people without the benefit of hindsight are able to identify underseeded and overseeded  teams, let them cash in on their wisdom with bets on games or in bracket pools.

[panda]

Disagree. Most likely they win 1 of 2.

The PG is still 18, 6 feet tall, and has an 87 ORtg in Conf play.

The guy indirectly stepping in for him is also a freshman who is much worse.

They're lucky both games are at home. They'll need all the help the can get.

[brewcity77]

Villanova was not underseeded in 1985.

They underperformed during the season and finally played to their potential in the tournament.

Agreed. They were 19-10 and while they had some nice wins, that record is going to cap your seed. Maybe they could've been a 5 ahead of LSU, but certainly no higher than that.

[WhiteTrash]

Since 1985 here's the breakdown of National Champions by seed:

SEED  NUMBER OF CHAMPS  PERCENTAGE OF CHAMPS
   1                   23                             64%
   2                    5                              14%
   3                    4                              11%
   4                    1                                3%
   5                    0                                0%
   6                    1                                3%
   7                    1                                3%
   8                    1                                3%

Yep, total crapshoot.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yep, total crapshoot.

Again, not what that meme means.

[1SE]

6 or 7 it is then

[WhiteTrash]

Again, not what that meme means.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's been explained to you (and you agreed) that the individual games are a crapshoot. Anything can happen in a single game. That's all that is meant by crapshoot. No one has ever said that seeding doesn't matter or that the NCAAT is decided by random chance. But keep building that strawman.

[WhiteTrash]

It's been explained to you (and you agreed) that the individual games are a crapshoot. Anything can happen in a single game. That's all that is meant by crapshoot. No one has ever said that seeding doesn't matter or that the NCAAT is decided by random chance. But keep building that strawman.

I was just having some fun. No intention to offend anyone.

Back on topic, I would not be surprised, as of today, by any seed from 5-10. Lots of basketball yet to be played.

[GoldenEagles03]

Buzz has a 10 point lead at Alabama late.

He's still helping Marquette even when he's not here.

[GoldenEagles03]

Iowa State also losing to ineligible Oklahoma State at home.

Only have 33 total points with 4 minutes left.

Nice results for Marquette so far.

[GoldenEagles03]

We are gonna be a 9 seed if we lose this.