Families of Sandy Hook shooting get $73M settlement from gun company

[JWags85]

i realize this is one of the things that is very hard for some of you to understand, but many people just like guns. 

As Jim Jeffries said, this is the most honest and defensible pro-gun argument.  It’s not great, but at least it’s honest and direct

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Guns are for the express purpose of killing. As many people as possible, as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Although I'll grant you that sometimes it happens accidentally. Like in the dozens of cases of toddlers shooting family members.

What fun! Collect 'em all, kids!

🤡🤡🤡

[Uncle Rico]

So they are designed to do what exactly again? 

Let me help. They are designed to kill things. They are designed to to kill things as efficiently as possible with the user subjected to the least amount of danger possible.

And I am not anti-gun.  I have several shotguns and rifles that I inherited when my father passed away. So spare me the “you just don’t understand”nonsense.

I also am intellectually honest enough to admit that the guns I own, and a weapon like an AR-15, are designed for very different purposes and are not the same.

Can you admit that?

Don’t argue with a Buffon

[Hards Alumni]

AR means assault rifle.

AR stands for armalite, the company that designed the original design of what has been commonly called the AR.  you can get AR 5, 10 and 15's.  despite what 82 is all geeked up about, they weren't designed to kill anymore than scissors.  they are semi-automatic, not automatic, i.e. a machine gun.  so if one wants a gun "to kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time" it is not the weapon of choice.  that comment right there tells you 82 knows absolutely nothing about guns and should be the last person to comment, pro or against guns because you will not get an honest answer. 

Direct hit, on a friendly!

*chef's kiss*

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Direct hit, on a friendly!

*chef's kiss*

Whoooosh

[Hards Alumni]

Whoooosh

Quite the opposite, sir.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Quite the opposite, sir.

You really think that I thought AR meant assault rifle?  You're dumber than you look, if so.

[Hards Alumni]

You really think that I thought AR meant assault rifle?  You're dumber than you look, if so.

Woooooooosh.

I mentioned that what you said was trolling... because I knew it would catch someone.  And it did. 

[muwarrior69]

The company settled out of court but there was no admission of liability. Cases like these are settled as to not set a precedent in case law but the company still gets the message; not unlike CNNs and WAPO's settlement with Rick Sandman. This settlement will have no real consequences holding gun manufactures liable for gun shootings. The only thing that will change is how they market/advertise their product.

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/remington-surprising-sandy-hook-settlement/11d30a1a-6d2d-43d6-a9a4-b26621195a46

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Woooooooosh.

I mentioned that what you said was trolling... because I knew it would catch someone.  And it did.

No. I was mocking Nads' antigun tirade.  If you think that was trolling to catch rocket, well, you're wrong.

Nice try though.

[Pakuni]

No. I was mocking Nads' antigun tirade.  If you think that was trolling to catch rocket, well, you're wrong.

Nice try though.

When you go fishing, you don't pick which fish you catch.
You caught yourself a half-witted dental professional, which seem to be abundant in these waters. Hope you threw it back.

[YaBlueIt]

No. I was mocking Nads' antigun tirade.  If you think that was trolling to catch rocket, well, you're wrong.

Nice try though.

I don't doubt that it was unintentional, but you definitely wooshed rocket.

[wadesworld]

When you go fishing, you don't pick which fish you catch.
You caught yourself a half-witted dental professional, which seem to be abundant in these waters. Hope you threw it back.

Incredible.

[tower912]

When you go fishing, you don't pick which fish you catch.
You caught yourself a half-witted dental professional, which seem to be abundant in these waters. Hope you threw it back.

Like catching an Asian Carp.  A little misinformation and he flings himself into the boat.

[Galway Eagle]

When you go fishing, you don't pick which fish you catch.
You caught yourself a half-witted dental professional, which seem to be abundant in these waters. Hope you threw it back.

I beg to differ about fishing but of course  I go fishing at pet stores

[Billy Hoyle]

i realize this is one of the things that is very hard for some of you to understand, but many people just like guns.  they collect them, they shoot them for sport, competition, etc.  there is an Olympic event with guns.  more people have guns for the right reasons and respect them than those who use them for wrong reasons.  yes, they can be used for self defense if needed.  they serve as a deterrent and believe it or not, they can save lives. 

the guns themselves are inanimate.  evil people with guns, bats, knives, etc do evil things with inanimate objects 

they were not designed to kill the most people in the shortest amount of time

my uncle had something like 75 guns displayed around his house - handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc. He was a hunter and collector. Other than deer and pheasants he didn't kill anything. My dad has 10 or so for hunting and going to the range and his targets are the same (except add a bear and a badger to the list of what he killed). The vast majority of gun owners use their guns for hunting or recreational purposes, or there are those who have them for protection and will never use them (my neighbor and my wife, for example).

I don't see a need for anyone to have an AR or an automatic, but if they're responsible and purchased legally then I don't have an issue as long as the purchase was legal. We do need A) stricter background checks (this is where the NRA has gone off the rails), B) better tracing and registration. If someone illegally sells a gun to someone who goes forward and commits a crime they should be held liable (kind of like a bartender who overserves an individual who goes on to be involved in a drunk driving accident).

[Hards Alumni]

When you go fishing, you don't pick which fish you catch.
You caught yourself a half-witted dental professional, which seem to be abundant in these waters. Hope you threw it back.

Exactly.

[BobWildLoyalist]

If you want to spray some deer piss on yourself and sit in a tree for 10 hours JO'ing a rifle thats your business. semi or automatic guns and handguns are nothing but trouble. They shouldn't have any place in our society.

[MU82]

We do need A) stricter background checks (this is where the NRA has gone off the rails), B) better tracing and registration. If someone illegally sells a gun to someone who goes forward and commits a crime they should be held liable (kind of like a bartender who overserves an individual who goes on to be involved in a drunk driving accident).

Yes, that would be a very nice start to some common-sense gun reform. They and similar suggestions that have the support of a huge percentage of Americans - and I'm talking like 75%+ - have been proposed in this forum many other times.

It's infuriating when the response to sensible suggestions like yours all too often elicit the response: "Why? They won't prevent all the gun deaths anyway." As if laws against murder stop all murders, laws requiring 2-year-olds be transported in secure car seats stop all kids from dying in car accidents, laws against rape stop all rapes, etc.

There are incremental steps that can be taken that stop a bazillion miles short of "We're taking away all the guns." It sure would be nice if our elected officials would listen to the significant majority of Americans.

I appreciate the post.

[Billy Hoyle]

Yes, that would be a very nice start to some common-sense gun reform. They and similar suggestions that have the support of a huge percentage of Americans - and I'm talking like 75%+ - have been proposed in this forum many other times.

It's infuriating when the response to sensible suggestions like yours all too often elicit the response: "Why? They won't prevent all the gun deaths anyway." As if laws against murder stop all murders, laws requiring 2-year-olds be transported in secure car seats stop all kids from dying in car accidents, laws against rape stop all rapes, etc.

There are incremental steps that can be taken that stop a bazillion miles short of "We're taking away all the guns." It sure would be nice if our elected officials would listen to the significant majority of Americans.

I appreciate the post.

Money and volume have the greatest influence, unfortunately. And for both sides it's all or nothing (which can be said for so many issues today). We know the influence the NRA has and the "they're going to take away ALL our guns" fearmongering they trot out whenever there's a proposal for simple, common sense reform. However, the small but loud "let's ban all gun ownership" group, even if they have little to no influence on policy making, provides the rationale for the NRA's scare tactics.

[tower912]

That is what the NRA hype machine wants you to think.   But they have marketed it effectively.

[rocket surgeon]

    "half-witted dental professional"

   i'm starting to not feel so safe here if you continue to hurt our feelings as such...gotta feel real proud of yourself pakman, ya got me there

 

[#UnleashSean]

Guns, especially assault rifles, are made to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time as possible. That is their purpose. Nobody "needs" an AR-15 to protect himself/herself. Nobody hunts with one (unless the prey is humans). They were not created for trap-shooting, target-shooting or any other sporting purpose in mind.

This settlement is sofa-cushion money to Bushmaster, but maybe if more of these lawsuits succeed, it will provide a disincentive to make and market these mass-murder machines.

Well damn, that feels like an absolute insult. Just because I haven't gotten a deer in 5 years doesn't mean I don't hunt with one!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

    "half-witted dental professional"

   i'm starting to not feel so safe here if you continue to hurt our feelings as such...gotta feel real proud of yourself pakman, ya got me there

 

You're right, he shouldn't have used the word professional. Misleading.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

An AR-15 designed for children shocks even the most jaded gun-control advocates
https://www.fastcompany.com/90721663/an-ar-15-designed-for-children-shocks-even-the-most-jaded-gun-control-advocates




"Given this backdrop of ever-increasing gun violence, and especially by young perpetrators, the release of a new rifle directly marketed to kids has astonished even gun-reform experts who have followed the industry’s aggressive targeting of children for years. They say this new firearm, overtly advertised as a kids’ version of the AR-15—the style of rifle used in 11 of the 12 most high-profile mass shootings, including Sandy Hook and Las Vegas—is the most brazen example of such targeted firearms marketing they’ve ever seen. The move is part of a trend by an unstable gun industry in a volatile market to target new potential consumers, but it’s also motivated by a rise of political extremism.

Last month, the JR-15, or Junior 15, debuted at the SHOT Show, billed as the nation’s largest annual trade show for the sport shooting, hunting, and outdoor industry. The event is organized by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), a firearms industry trade association. The rifle is manufactured by WEE1 Tactical, an offshoot of Schmid Tool and Engineering, which has sold AR-15 components for 30 years. A November press release from WEE1 specifically notes the JR-15’s appeal to children: “Our vision is to develop a line of shooting platforms that will safely help adults introduce children to the shooting sports,” it reads. To do that, it’s built a gun whose “ergonomics are geared towards children”: it’s lighter than an adult version, at 2.2 pounds, 20% smaller, and with a patented safety mechanism, not standard on AR-15s, which needs to be pulled out “with some force” and rotated before it can fire. Slight tweaks aside, the company boasts that it “operates just like Mom and Dad’s gun.”