Jamil Wilson.....4 stars

[warriormall82]

Let me see if I got this right, according to Marq65 the highly ranked recruit from out of the area, who flew to MU on his own dime and has already verballed won't be coming to MU because local factions will be able to change his mind, and the local highly ranked recruit who many including those close to his AAu coach feel MU is in nice shape with won't be coming because outside factions will be able to grab him away. Wow Marq65 you have some great  information I guess it is lucky that we have gotten enough players to even field a team.

[Pardner]

w/o out disclosing " sources" and lets assume grades etc. are in order lets look out why Wilson will not be at MU
* Wilson's had some on court-off court problems and ,as we saw last year, TC is very big on character
* If Wison was solid on MU there would be an verbal already
* Wison's list  includes a number of schools whose style of play is more what he is looking for.

* Wilson , at present, is most interested in Duke, Tenn, UCLA with believe it or not Wisc. He believes that all but Wisc. is best suited to how he plays.

So Wilson has on-court/off-court issues that will turn TC off, but he would be a good character fit for Coach K at Duke?  Did I get that right?  The former Knight assistant and Army coach who blesses himself on the bench as he says a Hail Mary before every game?

[Cooby Snacks]

* If Wison was solid on MU there would be an verbal already

Just to pile on, if Wison (Wilson?) was that solid (sold?) on any school, there would be a verbal already.

[thatman32]

Chicos,
What are you trying to say as in what is your thesis? Marquette has gotten 4 star recruits but not many of them or at least not enough to make a difference in the last 3 years - and it shows too by the amount of NCAA wins Tom has gotten recently.  

Are you downplaying the importance of Jamil Wilson? In addition, you make it seem that he is overrated and not very good and then you talk about a future recruit that is a four star recruit.  Erik Williams has a long way to go before he enrolls at Marquette, other stuff can happen within that time and comparing the two doesn't seem like a intelligent thing to do.  

Jamil Wilson should be a very important recruit for the staff since he lives in Wisconsin and is a top 25 player in the country unlike Erik Williams. Jamil has proven himself at the high school level and most schools would love to have a kid like that but not you of course . . . which I cannot figure out.  No one hedges their bets on one recruit but to imply he is not important is absurd.    

[Marquette65]

I assume, always a bad thing, that neither Pardner or warriormall82 are MU grads.  They sure don't read what is written very well.
The list of schools that I gave for Wilson is what HE is interested in NOT who have offered.

After Williams went to Midnight Maddness and committed on the spot is was widely reported that either his father or coach( don't rem which one) said that they were very surprised at the verbal because there was no intention to do that and that Williams just got caught up in the emotion of the night. Although I don't live in Texas,I do live in a  " southern" state. There is tremendous pressure on the kids to stay in state. Pressure I rerally didn't understand until I lived here of a while.   I would feel much more comfortable if Williams would re-state his verbal.  If I remember there was the same concern w/ the kid from Bama

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos,
What are you trying to say as in what is your thesis? Marquette has gotten 4 star recruits but not many of them or at least not enough to make a difference in the last 3 years - and it shows too by the amount of NCAA wins Tom has gotten recently.  

Are you downplaying the importance of Jamil Wilson? In addition, you make it seem that he is overrated and not very good and then you talk about a future recruit that is a four star recruit.  Erik Williams has a long way to go before he enrolls at Marquette, other stuff can happen within that time and comparing the two doesn't seem like a intelligent thing to do.  

Jamil Wilson should be a very important recruit for the staff since he lives in Wisconsin and is a top 25 player in the country unlike Erik Williams. Jamil has proven himself at the high school level and most schools would love to have a kid like that but not you of course . . . which I cannot figure out.  No one hedges their bets on one recruit but to imply he is not important is absurd.    

I'm not downplaying anything about Wilson.  I think some others said that no recruit is a "MUST GET" and I absolutely agree with that.  Others said he is a MUST GET, which I don't agree with.  I hope we get him, if we don't then that's life.  He's very highly rated. One of the original reasons I posted this thread was that another thread said how we don't land 4 and 5 star recruits.  Quite the contrary, we've landed plenty of 4 star recruits...not 5's, but few do.

The other reason I posted it is that some posters here like to take shots at our players on the current roster (or perhaps shots at our coach) based on where they are ranked, when they seem to purposely pick the lowest ranking possible.  I was playing a bit of tit-for-tat showing that it's possible to find a major service like rivals that doesn't put Wilson as a 5 star player, just as other posters love to say Trevor isn't a 4 star or whatever.  These games can be played all day...unfortunately.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I assume, always a bad thing, that neither Pardner or warriormall82 are MU grads.  They sure don't read what is written very well.
The list of schools that I gave for Wilson is what HE is interested in NOT who have offered.

After Williams went to Midnight Maddness and committed on the spot is was widely reported that either his father or coach( don't rem which one) said that they were very surprised at the verbal because there was no intention to do that and that Williams just got caught up in the emotion of the night. Although I don't live in Texas,I do live in a  " southern" state. There is tremendous pressure on the kids to stay in state. Pressure I rerally didn't understand until I lived here of a while.   I would feel much more comfortable if Williams would re-state his verbal.  If I remember there was the same concern w/ the kid from Bama

And that kid from Bama is still coming to Marquette.

But yes, a verbal is as good as the piece of paper written on it, especially in the South where it seems that verbals don't mean a thing to a lot of these coaches (for that matter, Kelvin Sampson in the midwest). 

There's always going to be pressure for a kid to stay in one place vs another, but I don't recall any player verbally to MU that has not come through on his commitment under Crean.  Mike Deane had one bolt on him, so did Bob Dukiet. Maybe there was one for Crean, I just don't recall it.

[Pardner]

I assume, always a bad thing, that neither Pardner or warriormall82 are MU grads.  They sure don't read what is written very well.
The list of schools that I gave for Wilson is what HE is interested in NOT who have offered.

After Williams went to Midnight Maddness and committed on the spot is was widely reported that either his father or coach( don't rem which one) said that they were very surprised at the verbal because there was no intention to do that and that Williams just got caught up in the emotion of the night. Although I don't live in Texas,I do live in a  " southern" state. There is tremendous pressure on the kids to stay in state. Pressure I rerally didn't understand until I lived here of a while.   I would feel much more comfortable if Williams would re-state his verbal.  If I remember there was the same concern w/ the kid from Bama

Thanks for the kind personal words, although I wish you would at least quote me correctly--I don't remember using the word "offered" in my post, but whatever.  I am glad to join the group (TC, the team, our recruits) that you have cast aspersions on in all your 12 posts.  Yes, I was able to graduate somehow.  It was a sad day after eight years of hard undergrad work.   My favorite class was logic (I passed the third time through) where I learned about tautologies--which in your case, I attempted to apply to your posts. 
First, you dismiss JW's interest in Marquette because of TC's hurdle about having "character" recruits which you imply JW has problems with.  Then, you dismiss JW's interest in MU because of style of play.  Then, you mention four schools JW has "interest" in.  Then, you list three of the schools whose style of play he likes that have as disparate offenses as you can get...and a fourth whose style doesn't fit his, but he still has "interest" in.

So, trying to follow that logic, I asked you a couple of clarifying questions about your "scoop"--mainly why would you think that Duke would have "interest" in JW if he has on-court/off-court character issues when Coach K has as high a standard or higher than TC?  Or, conversely, why would JW think that Duke would have less of an issue with his character than TC?

Are there any other TC recruits you missed that won't be coming to MU?   Thanks

[TVDirector]

nice, but quick blurb on WISN TV sports tonight about Wilson...
said he's the next great Racine player after Mac and that one kid from there who went  to cincy oh what was his name (ahem).... and someone else--- some Jones, or Chones or some dude like that.
indicated that MU is very high on him coming.

fwiw

[ChicosBailBonds]

nice, but quick blurb on WISN TV sports tonight about Wilson...
said he's the next great Racine player after Mac and that one kid from there who went  to cincy oh what was his name (ahem).... and someone else--- some Jones, or Chones or some dude like that.
indicated that MU is very high on him coming.

fwiw

Nick Van Exel....now there was a guy with character issues.   

[Big Papi]

He forgot about Caron Butler, a Racine native who went to prep school on the east coast.   And Van Exel was a Kenosha by product.

[TVDirector]

I was thinking butler...
but, yeah, vanexout... there was a duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
kenosha, racine, whatever it takes.

[Frozen Caveman Coach]

nice, but quick blurb on WISN TV sports tonight about Wilson...
said he's the next great Racine player after Mac and that one kid from there who went  to cincy oh what was his name (ahem).... and someone else--- some Jones, or Chones or some dude like that.
indicated that MU is very high on him coming.

fwiw

Nick Van Exel....now there was a guy with character issues.  

MacIlvaine was good shot blocker as are most 7'1" college players and that's it.  Van Exel and Butler achieved much more than him in college and the pros and hopefully Wilson does too  He still has the biggest WTF was that team (Seattle) thinking contract of any NBA player and that is saying something with that league.  More power to him though.

[MR.HAYWARD]

AAU solidifies and affects the rankings way way way more than High school.  Most kids unless they are LA or Chccago or Ny public or suburban league types do not get to play against the type of competition that is required to properly rate a kid NAtionally, Bryan Butch or Sam Okey ptutting up 30+ and 10+ with 10 Blocks in some hinterland Wisconsin conference playing against a bunch of Scandanavians that only play BBall to warm up after ice fishing is not much of a way to rate players.  But if they go to the Big Time event or Kingswood etc, and play on a team of big time talent against a team of big time talent and impress on a continuos basis then you know you have something.  Look at Chrsistoperson, not knocking him I think he will do fine at MU.  But what does 30 agame in Lacrosse mean?  It means he is by far the best 6 foot Scandanavian in western wisonsin...whooooooppee!  And yes he make look tremendously athletic against thos e types but how is difficult to measure or assume.  I have seen tons of kids put up 25-30 agme and dominate in HS that had no business playing D1.  those kids get exposed even bigger time in open aau tournaments

[warriormall82]

I assume, always a bad thing, that neither Pardner or warriormall82 are MU grads.  They sure don't read what is written very well.
The list of schools that I gave for Wilson is what HE is interested in NOT who have offered.

After Williams went to Midnight Maddness and committed on the spot is was widely reported that either his father or coach( don't rem which one) said that they were very surprised at the verbal because there was no intention to do that and that Williams just got caught up in the emotion of the night. Although I don't live in Texas,I do live in a  " southern" state. There is tremendous pressure on the kids to stay in state. Pressure I rerally didn't understand until I lived here of a while.   I would feel much more comfortable if Williams would re-state his verbal.  If I remember there was the same concern w/ the kid from Bama

Wow wrong so many times in one post, yes I am a graduate of MU, the aau coach and another very close person to Jamil have told me personally that he is very interested in MU along with others, so your list is incomplete, and living in a southern state how do you know his interested schools, EW's father stated that his son's verbal surprised him because of how quickly it came out, but was enthusiastically behind it and said he was very comfortable with his choice, I also am now residing in a southern state and there is indeed a lot of pressure to stay in state, however every state has quite a few recruits leave the state and a fair amount even head to the north. I also try not to assume , however if one is to assume, it seems to me that since the very high percentage of bball players who do verbal end up attending the school that they verballed to, one would have to ASSUME that he will come to MU. 

[nyg]

Please talk to your personal friend of Jamil and insist he play at MU.  It would be nice to get the 6th ranked prospect (Scout) in the United States.