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NavinRJohnson

I gotta believe there will be some sort of additional internal investigation that will conveniently last about 2 months to get through the rest of the season. I'd have to say that probably makes sense too. At this point, what's the difference. This does not look like something that is going to go away. This definitely has teh look of a complete rebuilding situation though - likely with teh added challenge of some pretty hefty sanctions.

ATWizJr

If they don't take preemptive action now, the long term effects will be devestating to IU and to the Big Ten.  I'd bet on IOU ac ting sooner rather than later.

Marquette Gyros

Quote from: ATWizJr on February 13, 2008, 05:20:34 PM
If they don't take preemptive action now, the long term effects will be devestating to IU and to the Big Ten.  I'd bet on IOU acting sooner rather than later.


Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting to these allegations?  He made some extra phone calls he shouldn't have, probably sent a couple of text message, bumped into recruits at a basketball camp, and gave them a t-shirt and a backpack.  That's it.

This isn't like the Minnesota academic fraud in the late 1990s.  This isn't paying players or handing off keys to Escalades.  This isn't even as bad as the "Finish Line" scandal 70 miles to the west.  T-shirts and phone calls.  That's it.

Maybe I'm jaded from reading the Seattle Times piece on how corrupt UW football became, but I didn't read anything that could be defined as "devastating" to IU in the ESPN article.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: Marquette Gyros on February 13, 2008, 06:29:28 PM
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 13, 2008, 05:20:34 PM
If they don't take preemptive action now, the long term effects will be devestating to IU and to the Big Ten.  I'd bet on IOU acting sooner rather than later.


Am I the only one who thinks people are overreacting to these allegations?  He made some extra phone calls he shouldn't have, probably sent a couple of text message, bumped into recruits at a basketball camp, and gave them a t-shirt and a backpack.  That's it.

This isn't like the Minnesota academic fraud in the late 1990s.  This isn't paying players or handing off keys to Escalades.  This isn't even as bad as the "Finish Line" scandal 70 miles to the west.  T-shirts and phone calls.  That's it.

Maybe I'm jaded from reading the Seattle Times piece on how corrupt UW football became, but I didn't read anything that could be defined as "devastating" to IU in the ESPN article.

Were it the first time it happened, yeah, I would agree. Unfortunatley he was already caught doing this same thing, was specifically ordered not to do it, and not only did it, but even exceeded what would have otherwise been allowable, were he allowed to do it. Right there he's screwed. Beyond that, this is the NCAA we're talking about, and he was busted lying to them. I'd say they are likely to come down on him hard out of spite if nothing else - leaving IU with few options but to get rid of him. Probably a matter of when, not if. 

nyg

He continued to make contact with recruits which was an infraction of his penalty while Head Coach at Oklahoma.  But the most important factor was he lied to investigators and his Athletic Director.  Providing false statements to the dictorial NCAA and the Athletic Director who hired you while under the auspices of previous, serious violations as a Head Coach will lead to his dismissal. Even Dickie V., who is doing the Duke-UMD game basically stated Sampson may not be around Saturday night when they do the game against MSU. 

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: nyg on February 13, 2008, 06:50:09 PM
He continued to make contact with recruits which was an infraction of his penalty while Head Coach at Oklahoma.  But the most important factor was he lied to investigators and his Athletic Director.  Providing false statements to the dictorial NCAA and the Athletic Director who hired you while under the auspices of previous, serious violations as a Head Coach will lead to his dismissal. Even Dickie V., who is doing the Duke-UMD game basically stated Sampson may not be around Saturday night when they do the game against MSU. 

I think nyg nails it.  The violations in and of themselves are not devestating, but when you factor in lying to your boss and to the NCAA on top of violating an existing probation = BAD BAD NEWS.  Especially at a place like IU.

Pardner

Quote from: ATWizJr on February 13, 2008, 02:11:42 PM
Now I know why Bobby Knight is suddely available

I was thinking that too as some of the sports radio reporting buzz was that he could be back soon in a job--which surprised me as I thought he'd want to call it quits.  There is a pull there for sure and there is nobody cleaner--but it would be a longshot.  I think the Drew or Stallings spec sounds right on.  Anyone think Alford or is his star dulled? 

NavinRJohnson

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Quote from: Pardner on February 13, 2008, 07:11:40 PM
Quote from: ATWizJr on February 13, 2008, 02:11:42 PM
Now I know why Bobby Knight is suddely available

...Anyone think Alford or is his star dulled? 

Nothing personal, but this literally made me laugh out loud. Alford is probably a bigger scum bag than Sampson (the trajectory at Iowa hasn't exactly been impressive either). Not sure that would be the right hire for this situation. He could very well be available after this season though.

Pardner

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 13, 2008, 07:38:42 PM

Nothing personal, but this literally made me laugh out loud. Alford is probably a bigger scum bag than Sampson (the trajectory at Iowa hasn't exactly been impressive either). Not sure that would be the right hire for this situation. He could very well be available after this season though.

No problem making fun.  I actually thought the Knight rumor is funnier.  There is a part of me who would love to see that.  Alford is an alum though....and I figured they are facing a couple of years probation.  Tough to attract a Drew or Stallings under those conditions--especially at a public school where salaries are capped.

Glad I could make your night.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: Pardner on February 13, 2008, 07:48:18 PM
Alford is an alum though....and I figured they are facing a couple of years probation.  Tough to attract a Drew or Hastings under those conditions--especially at a public school where salaries are capped.

That's actually a good point. I hadn't thought of that.

wheresthecake?

Take this for what it's worth, which is absolutely nothing...in my dynasty on College Hoops 2k8 for PS3, Crean is still Marquette's coach in 2027.  Wow.

Pakuni

Quote from: Pardner on February 13, 2008, 07:48:18 PM
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 13, 2008, 07:38:42 PM

Nothing personal, but this literally made me laugh out loud. Alford is probably a bigger scum bag than Sampson (the trajectory at Iowa hasn't exactly been impressive either). Not sure that would be the right hire for this situation. He could very well be available after this season though.

No problem making fun.  I actually thought the Knight rumor is funnier.  There is a part of me who would love to see that.  Alford is an alum though....and I figured they are facing a couple of years probation.  Tough to attract a Drew or Stallings under those conditions--especially at a public school where salaries are capped.

Glad I could make your night.

I don't know if Alford would be the guy, but I'd be a little surprised if Indiana didn't keep it in the "family" of the Bob Knight coaching tree or extended family (i.e. someone off Coach Kommercial's tree). If not Alford, maybe someone like Bob Bender, Dan Dakich or Randy Wittman.

ChicosBailBonds


Pakuni

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 13, 2008, 09:53:19 PM
Dakich was implicated as well.

Are you sure?
His name, unlike Sampson, Meyer and Senderoff, doesn't appear in the NCAA's notice of allegations.

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