Golf 2022

[Uncle Rico]

No one has heard of her except Uncle Rico.  I stand corrected.  Will she hold on today?

I'd think we'd know early.  Not many low scores out there, so she'll have to comeback to the pack I'd think

[MuggsyB]

I'd think we'd know early.  Not many low scores out there, so she'll have to comeback to the pack I'd think

I think she's in trouble.  Ingee Chun looks ready to pounce. 

[tower912]

The announcer jinx has been replaced hy the muggsy jinx.

[MuggsyB]

The announcer jinx has been replaced hy the muggsy jinx.

I did it intentionally! 

[MU82]

Recommendations on a website I can use for a little golf package vacation for a few guys to Arizona?

I've never used this outfit -- Golf Troop -- but one of my friends did and said they did a good job. They have certain packages set but apparently they also let people make changes if they'd prefer a course or a hotel not in any of the packages.

https://www.golftroop.com/golf-packages

As an aside, my brother and I played a few Phoenix-area courses in March and we really enjoyed Ak-Chin Southern Dunes Golf Club. It's a Troon course.

[tower912]

Making my second trip to Forest Dunes and The Loop this week.   

[Herman Cain]

Some Gary Player news

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gary-player-marc-player-auction-memorabilia-without-consent

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Some Gary Player news

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gary-player-marc-player-auction-memorabilia-without-consent

Scumbag that cheated at The Open that raised a harem of scumbags.

[GoFastAndWin]

Scumbag that cheated at The Open that raised a harem of scumbags.

He had a huge lead. Wasn't accustomed to being forced to putt lefty. Guarantee you he had zero intent to improve his lie. And didn't, as the swath of dust or "sand" he inadvertently took was way behind the ball. Didn't receive a free drop. Has a couple scumbags in his family, but I wouldn't apply the label to him. Do you hate him because he dared to broach the subject of steroids in golf?

[Uncle Rico]

He had a huge lead. Wasn't accustomed to being forced to putt lefty. Guarantee you he had zero intent to improve his lie. And didn't, as the swath of dust or "sand" he inadvertently took was way behind the ball. Didn't receive a free drop. Has a couple scumbags in his family, but I wouldn't apply the label to him. Do you hate him because he dared to broach the subject of steroids in golf?

No, he's a scumbag

[Uncle Rico]

Gooch & Swafford told tough luck in trying to get an injunction to play in the playoffs. 

Cam Smith getting $100 million to play for the Saudi's

[Jockey]

Gooch & Swafford told tough luck in trying to get an injunction to play in the playoffs. 

Cam Smith getting $100 million to play for the Saudi's

I would have banned these guys just based on their dumb-azz white country club names.

[tower912]

And nobody has a bit of sympathy for them.     You can't spell 'oblivious' without LIV.   

[MuggsyB]

And nobody has a bit of sympathy for them.     You can't spell 'oblivious' without LIV.

The game is being destroyed Tower.  The only leverage I see is if all four Majors can ban LIV players. 

[tower912]

The professional game is facing challenges.   The game itself is not being destroyed.   



Greed has destroyed many things.    That is why it is one of the seven deadly. 

[MuggsyB]

The professional game is facing challenges.   The game itself is not being destroyed.   



Greed has destroyed many things.    That is why it is one of the seven deadly.

True. The professional game is being destroyed.  LiV golf isn't even golf. Losing Smith is significant. 

[tower912]

So, fringe player X signs with LIV.   He does not improve.   There has been talk of relegation road.   Where does the relegated  fringe LIV golfer go?

The PGA tour has the Korn Ferry tour, Canadian tour, Asian, European.  How does a relegated LIV player earn his way back?

Never mind.   They don't know.

[Pakuni]

Losing Smith is significant.

Is it, though? Does anyone go out of their way to attend or tune in to a golf event because Cam Smith is playing? Is viewership at the St. Jude this weekend going to plummet without Cam Smith in the field? I would guess the answer to both is "no."
I'd suggest there have really only been a handful of players in history that really move the needle and qualify as appointment viewing, and nobody on the LIV tour outside of Mickelson - who's currently a sad, a broken down version of himself - is on that list.
Serious golf fans are going to watch regardless of who's playing, because that's what they do. The more casual fan is going to tune in because it's the Masters or the US Open or Sawgrass, not because Cam Smith or Patrick Reed are in contention instead of Max Homa or Patrick Cantlay.

[MuggsyB]

Is it, though? Does anyone go out of their way to attend or tune in to a golf event because Cam Smith is playing? Is viewership at the St. Jude this weekend going to plummet without Cam Smith in the field? I would guess the answer to both is "no."
I'd suggest there have really only been a handful of players in history that really move the needle and qualify as appointment viewing, and nobody on the LIV tour outside of Mickelson - who's currently a sad, a broken down version of himself - is on that list.
Serious golf fans are going to watch regardless of who's playing, because that's what they do. The more casual fan is going to tune in because it's the Masters or the US Open or Sawgrass, not because Cam Smith or Patrick Reed are in contention instead of Max Homa or Patrick Cantlay.

He's a potential top 5 player if he's not there already.

[Pakuni]

He's a potential top 5 player if he's not there already.

Sure, but will people tune in just to watch him or tune out if he's not in the field? I suspect not.
Adam Scott and Luke Donald were top 5 players in 2012. Did casual fans rush to their TVs to watch them?

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So, fringe player X signs with LIV.   He does not improve.   There has been talk of relegation road.   Where does the relegated  fringe LIV golfer go?

The PGA tour has the Korn Ferry tour, Canadian tour, Asian, European.  How does a relegated LIV player earn his way back?

Never mind.   They don't know.

If they resign from the PGAT, they can requalify again after one year. Many of the earliest defectors resigned, which now appears to be a solid move.

[MuggsyB]

Sure, but will people tune in just to watch him or tune out if he's not in the field? I suspect not.
Adam Scott and Luke Donald were top 5 players in 2012. Did casual fans rush to their TVs to watch them?

I agree with your point but I'm concerned with more defections. 

[Herman Cain]

I agree with your point but I'm concerned with more defections.

I am not worried about defections. The majors and OWGR are rallying behind PGA Tour.
I think defection will fit into the same categories that have signed with LIV so far:
Over The Hill Stars - most recent example Bubba Watson

Body Broken- Brooks Koepka , DeCharcuterie

Young NCAA stars that have not yet made tour

So far the only two top quality players have been DJ and Reed .

The rest are filler to make the field .

No TV sponsor and no tournament sponsors yet. If those happen then there might be some staying power. For now I think it only lasts through next season

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Reed? The guy that can't get a sponsor?

[MU82]

I'm not the least bit concerned. It didn't affect the way I watched the majors, or my enjoyment level of them, nor do I think it will in the future. And I'd say I'm a fairly typical golf fan.