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Title: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 06, 2022, 04:44:20 PM
It’s 2022.  Crybaby Tour starts in Kapalua with preferred lies.

News about Steve Stricker

https://www.wisconsin.golf/men/mens_professional/lucky-to-be-alive-steve-stricker-fell-seriously-ill-after-the-ryder-cup-spent-weeks/article_a6d0e730-6f1d-11ec-9b89-3b6e2416850c.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on January 06, 2022, 05:27:19 PM
Pampered unnatural carnal knowledges Tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2022, 05:27:43 PM
I enjoyed this recent Podcast with John Daly, great way to start golf season . Ignore the title that is just a device to get people to watch . Some great stories . The guys who run the podcast interior w but too much

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DI9-ErwpgQE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on January 07, 2022, 03:11:17 AM
I hope stricker gets well soon. I had not heard that he was not doing well and prayers out his way. The older he gets, the more I seem to like him.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2022, 06:27:07 AM
Former Masters champion Bob Goalby passed away at age 92.  He won the 1968 Masters after finishing in a tie with Roberto DiVecenzo.  DiVecenzo famously signed an incorrect scorecard that showed he took a 4 on 17, when in fact, he had birdied it.  That gave Goalby a 1-stroke victory in one of the most infamous golf moments of all time.  Goalby had 11 career wins and him and DiVecenzo remained good friends despite that day
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jutaw22mu on January 21, 2022, 09:11:19 AM
That's too bad.  What a way to win....lol.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jables1604 on January 21, 2022, 04:49:07 PM
Former Masters champion Bob Goalby passed away at age 92.  He won the 1968 Masters after finishing in a tie with Roberto DiVecenzo.  DiVecenzo famously signed an incorrect scorecard that showed he took a 4 on 17, when in fact, he had birdied it.  That gave Goalby a 1-stroke victory in one of the most infamous golf moments of all time.  Goalby had 11 career wins and him and DiVecenzo remained good friends despite that day
“What a stupid I am.”
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2022, 07:15:33 PM
Zalatoris still not making the big putt.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 07:34:20 PM
Zalatoris still not making the big putt.

His putting is a war crime
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2022, 07:36:33 PM
Two straight Mickey Mantle's.






(dead yank)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 10:10:23 AM
Rory puts one in the drink on final hole in Dubai
 https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/rory-mcilroy-misses-out-on-dubai-title-after-finding-water-on-the-18th-1.4789114
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 11:14:25 AM
Rory puts one in the drink on final hole in Dubai
 https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/rory-mcilroy-misses-out-on-dubai-title-after-finding-water-on-the-18th-1.4789114

If he lays up, he has to hit a wedge.  Since he can’t hit a wedge to save his life in pressure spots, that was his best option
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 09:01:52 PM
If he lays up, he has to hit a wedge.  Since he can’t hit a wedge to save his life in pressure spots, that was his best option
My guess is he was going for the win. Get on in two and two put would have put him in the lead . He must have had a lot of confidence in his three wood 267 over water.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on January 31, 2022, 06:06:11 AM
My guess is he was going for the win. Get on in two and two put would have put him in the lead . He must have had a lot of confidence in his three wood 267 over water.

Rory’s 3W carry distance is 280.

Rico’s right, guy can’t dunk a wedge anymore.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jutaw22mu on January 31, 2022, 03:26:24 PM
Rory’s 3W carry distance is 280.

Rico’s right, guy can’t dunk a wedge anymore.

Wow.  I can't even drive the ball 280 unless I have a stiff wind at my back.  I normally can get about 220 with my driver, but I'm just a weak woman. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
Rory’s 3W carry distance is 280.

Rico’s right, guy can’t dunk a wedge anymore.

Ultimately, Rory isn’t judged on winning Abu Dhabi or any other event that isn’t a major anymore.  It was still jarring to see that shot.  It didn’t have a chance.  The miss is right on that hole because you can still make a birdie.  He didn’t talk to the media, so he was clearly angry.  Him and Spieth are prime examples of premature crownings in the golf world
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on January 31, 2022, 03:52:41 PM
No, they are examples of how difficult it is to remain dominant.    They both have already accomplished enough to retire today and have a successful career.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2022, 04:57:13 PM
No, they are examples of how difficult it is to remain dominant.    They both have already accomplished enough to retire today and have a successful career.

That’s a fair assessment as well.  Better way for me to say it is, golf is always looking for the next Tiger when the truth is, that’s a nearly impossible bar.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 31, 2022, 06:21:34 PM
Ultimately, Rory isn’t judged on winning Abu Dhabi or any other event that isn’t a major anymore.  It was still jarring to see that shot.  It didn’t have a chance.  The miss is right on that hole because you can still make a birdie.  He didn’t talk to the media, so he was clearly angry.  Him and Spieth are prime examples of premature crownings in the golf world

  i wouldn't give up on jordie quite yet
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on January 31, 2022, 06:47:35 PM
Rocket

I gave up on Jordan a long time ago. The game has changed a great deal in just a few years and I do not think he stay elite for Ming periods of time.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 04, 2022, 07:23:30 PM
Had a chance to experience Sawgrass Country Club today.

This is the course the TPC was originally held at until the Stadium course was built . Was a very difficult course with the wind , sand and water everywhere .

Incredible facilities had dinner at the Beach Club.

If you can find a way at to get on, I highly recommend .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 04, 2022, 09:22:05 PM
Rocket

I gave up on Jordan a long time ago. The game has changed a great deal in just a few years and I do not think he stay elite for Ming periods of time.

  you may be right goose, but ya gotta love the guy all mic'd up.  sounds like a lot of us out on the course, except we can get away with a little more colorful language. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 05, 2022, 07:35:02 AM
Bryson withdrew from the Bonesaw Invitational this weekend with a wrist injury he says he suffered from a fall on Tuesday.  Looks like he’s keeping his head about it, which isn’t easy in Saudi Arabia
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 05, 2022, 09:04:53 PM
Rocket

I gave up on Jordan a long time ago. The game has changed a great deal in just a few years and I do not think he stay elite for Ming periods of time.

anyone happen to see this shot by jordie?  a real cliff hanger-he shot a 9 under to put himself back into contention one shot off the lead

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/02/jordan-spieth-terrifying-cliff-shot-pebble-beach-pga-tour
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on February 06, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
https://twitter.com/asiantourgolf/status/1490333457540849666?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Now that's how you win a golf tournament Harold Varner.  Down one on last hole and make a 90 foot eagle putt.  Awesome.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 06, 2022, 11:29:51 AM
https://twitter.com/asiantourgolf/status/1490333457540849666?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Now that's how you win a golf tournament Harold Varner.  Down one on last hole and make a 90 foot eagle putt.  Awesome.

DFL gets a beheading
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 06, 2022, 02:36:59 PM
Great for him.   Pebble Beach shaping up to be a shootout.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 04:06:14 PM
These  20 year old  Danish Hojgaard twins are doing very well. Nicolai now has his second DP World Tour (European Tour ) win. His brother Rasmus has 3 wins. Should be solid Ryder cuppers in the futures.

https://www.europeantour.com/dpworld-tour/news/articles/detail/hojgaard-battles-to-stunning-victory-in-ras-al-khaimah/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 06, 2022, 05:13:56 PM
Tommy Freaking Tables
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 06, 2022, 05:14:33 PM
Hoge looks like the hero.  2 shots is substantial heading to 18.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 07, 2022, 08:53:48 AM
If you had a lie like Spieth's for that shot over the ravine would you
A:  Do what Spieth and hot is with one foot starting down the 70 foot clif
B.  Take the penalty and hit from a safer lie
C. Scrape it back to a safer lie and hit the shot because it is just a fun round anyway.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2022, 08:57:37 AM
If you had a lie like Spieth's for that shot over the ravine would you
A:  Do what Spieth and hot is with one foot starting down the 70 foot clif
B.  Take the penalty and hit from a safer lie
C. Scrape it back to a safer lie and hit the shot because it is just a fun round anyway.

That’s a foot wedge because if I paid $575 to play Pebble, I want to play all 18
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 07, 2022, 09:06:22 AM
Can I get an amen for Uncle Rico?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 07, 2022, 09:09:06 AM
That’s a foot wedge because if I paid $575 to play Pebble, I want to play all 18

Just take the cart off the cliff like those other guys if you're paying $575, plus the required lodging.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 10, 2022, 08:18:14 PM
Phoenix Open This Weekend. This is kind of funny a hole in one on 16 without all the stadium around it

https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/comments/sozqh4/in_honor_of_the_wm_open_heres_a_video_of_my/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 10, 2022, 10:11:00 PM
        just returned from an incredible day at waste management/phoenix open.  what a fantastic day, mid 80's.  we get the clubhouse seating overlooking the 18th green
 
  we've found that it does no good to try to walk around chasing the action.  the crowds are just too big and you end up missing more golf than

you could see.  this tournament draws more on wednesday than all other tourneys draw for the whole week.  advise-buy access to one of the clubs-the

 cove, the perch, the e18hteen, the clubhouse etc.  sit your ass down and just let the golf come to you, otherwise you will end up running after the golf while seeing a lot of nothing. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 13, 2022, 04:03:15 PM
Tight leaderboard at The Phoenix Open. Would like to see the youngster Theegala break through. Nothing like seeing a guy who lives with his parents win a PGA tour event
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 13, 2022, 04:06:10 PM
Tight leaderboard at The Phoenix Open. Would like to see the youngster Theegala break through. Nothing like seeing a guy who lives with his parents win a PGA tour event

Theegala was a monster on the KFT last year, PGA should have been promoting this guy for the past 6 months. I made several large chunks of money on him.

Instead we get crusty ass middling your players like Charley Hoffman.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 04:26:15 PM
I like Theegala.  Hopefully he pulls this off
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 04:41:23 PM
330 yard 16 degree hybrid into the water on 17.   Aarrggggh!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 13, 2022, 04:41:53 PM
Come on Scottie
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 04:57:37 PM
330 yard 16 degree hybrid into the water on 17.   Aarrggggh!

That was so unlucky.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 05:01:26 PM
Clutch shot from Sheff.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 13, 2022, 05:07:03 PM
Wow....just wow. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2022, 05:19:24 PM
Cantlay and Scheffler hit some interesting putts
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 05:20:36 PM
Cantlay played it straight and it broke a cup.  Scottie played it a ball out and it stayed straight.   Golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 05:56:28 PM
Beam me up, Scottie!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 16, 2022, 07:36:31 AM
Had to have one of those incredibly difficult conversations with my bride this morning.

"Honey, I have decided to get a new set of irons."   I survived.   The linens are already on the futon.   It will be like isolating with COVID again.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU_B on February 16, 2022, 07:56:57 AM
Had to have one of those incredibly difficult conversations with my bride this morning.

"Honey, I have decided to get a new set of irons."   I survived.   The linens are already on the futon.   It will be like isolating with COVID again.


I got a new set of irons last summer, replaced my 20 year old i3s.  It's incredible the difference on distance and off center shots.

I'm assuming the inventory situation is the same, so I'd be prepared to wait if you are getting anything that isn't stock.  Mine took 12 weeks.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 16, 2022, 08:00:45 AM
Had to have one of those incredibly difficult conversations with my bride this morning.

"Honey, I have decided to get a new set of irons."   I survived.   The linens are already on the futon.   It will be like isolating with COVID again.




Just go for the whole bag of 14 sticks. Its like like rippin' off the band aid all at once, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 16, 2022, 08:27:31 AM
No need.   Love my Vokey's,my Bettinardi.  Replaced hybrids last year.   It was either a driver or irons this year.   2022 stock is arriving and he had a set of 2021 irons that  I had been contemplating for $600, down from a grand.    I used the same logic my wife uses for shoes.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on February 16, 2022, 09:45:19 AM
I'm jealous, tower. I have some older Callaway irons and have been wanting to make a change, but I have no idea what my game is gonna look like after not playing much last season.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jables1604 on February 16, 2022, 05:21:11 PM
No need.   Love my Vokey's,my Bettinardi.  Replaced hybrids last year.   It was either a driver or irons this year.   2022 stock is arriving and he had a set of 2021 irons that  I had been contemplating for $600, down from a grand.    I used the same logic my wife uses for shoes.
Except I’m guessing you don’t have 30 sets of clubs in the closet.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 16, 2022, 05:36:33 PM
Always trading in the old stuff.


Tiger said today he would never play a full schedule on the PGA tour again.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on February 17, 2022, 11:44:53 AM
RIP Oakwood Hills.

https://twitter.com/Local4News/status/1494346435491516416?s=20&t=9kcdepHGMqynH6XFxl2dYQ
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 17, 2022, 11:50:22 AM
Apparently, fire can bring that  monster to its knees, too.   Not just Hogan.    A lot of historic mementoes lost.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 17, 2022, 11:53:34 AM
Oakland Hills. The best course I ever had the opportunity to play. No cell phones on the course or in the clubhouse. Very old school. Greens like pool tables and this is 20+ years ago. First hole, I accidentally hit my host's ball on my approach. I wonder why I was never invited back.

(https://c.tenor.com/_kuPaUQEc9cAAAAM/really-though-justin-timberlake.gif)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2022, 12:19:29 PM
RIP Oakwood Hills.

https://twitter.com/Local4News/status/1494346435491516416?s=20&t=9kcdepHGMqynH6XFxl2dYQ

Very sad.  The Fried Egg did a video on it a year ago or so.  Lots of memorabilia in that clubhouse.  Not good
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 17, 2022, 11:52:25 PM
I’m kinda worried about Phil, like I think he owes some bad dudes a lot of money.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on February 18, 2022, 06:01:14 AM
I’m kinda worried about Phil, like I think he owes some bad dudes a lot of money.

Not a great look.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 18, 2022, 06:26:37 AM
I’m kinda worried about Phil, like I think he owes some bad dudes a lot of money.

Yeah, and getting into bed with the house of Saud... despite knowing everything.  Yikes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 06:32:08 AM
I’m kinda worried about Phil, like I think he owes some bad dudes a lot of money.

Good ol’ FIGJAM.  He has been and always will be one of the biggest frauds in sports.  A country club kid who somehow became the “People’s Champ” because he signed autographs when the camera was on and bragged about tipping big.  He’s not a good person and people within the golf world have known it for a long time.  The guy has made roughly $800 million in his career in golf and he’s the one calling the tour the ones with obnoxious greed.  Too bad he needs the cash.  I’d think the great family man would have curtailed the gambling habit after turning cooperative witness with the feds.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 18, 2022, 07:02:56 AM
Good ol’ FIGJAM.  He has been and always will be one of the biggest frauds in sports.  A country club kid who somehow became the “People’s Champ” because he signed autographs when the camera was on and bragged about tipping big.  He’s not a good person and people within the golf world have known it for a long time.  The guy has made roughly $800 million in his career in golf and he’s the one calling the tour the ones with obnoxious greed.  Too bad he needs the cash.  I’d think the great family man would have curtailed the gambling habit after turning cooperative witness with the feds.

(https://c.tenor.com/dR1K23s2VPQAAAAC/thumbs-up-phil-mickelson.gif)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 18, 2022, 09:08:58 AM
I’m kinda worried about Phil, like I think he owes some bad dudes a lot of money.

Good ol’ FIGJAM.  He has been and always will be one of the biggest frauds in sports.  A country club kid who somehow became the “People’s Champ” because he signed autographs when the camera was on and bragged about tipping big.  He’s not a good person and people within the golf world have known it for a long time.  The guy has made roughly $800 million in his career in golf and he’s the one calling the tour the ones with obnoxious greed.  Too bad he needs the cash.  I’d think the great family man would have curtailed the gambling habit after turning cooperative witness with the feds.

More evidence that if you fail spectacularly (and repeatedly) in life but do so giving goofy thumbs-up gestures then millions and millions and millions of people will absolve all of your deficiencies and defend to the end.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 18, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
I’m kinda worried about Phil, like I think he owes some bad dudes a lot of money.

Makes you wonder, huh. Yesterday, Pat Perez does an interview talking about how "stressed" Phil is. Hmmm.

Uncle Rico sums up Phil very well.

Also, I never understood the golf media's fascination over the years cheering on Phil's gambling. They loved sharing stories of Phil's bets and so on. It is a very obvious character flaw. But, instead of pointing it out, it was almost lauded. Perhaps they thought Phil had so much money, it would never actually be a real problem. Perhaps, not?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 09:12:30 AM
I am a Phil fan.   This is not a good look
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 09:14:10 AM
More evidence that if you fail spectacularly (and repeatedly) in life but do so giving goofy thumbs-up gestures then millions and millions and millions of people will absolve all of your deficiencies and defend to the end.

I’d be more forgiving if he gave a thumbs up after a bogey
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 09:34:03 AM
More evidence that if you fail spectacularly (and repeatedly) in life but do so giving goofy thumbs-up gestures then millions and millions and millions of people will absolve all of your deficiencies and defend to the end.

Well, to be fair, Phil has succeeded at a thing or two, also. I mean, he has a net worth equal to that of some small nations.

But Rico is right: Phil is a fraud, he is all about himself and his bottom line, and he is quite unpopular among touring pros.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 09:39:12 AM
Well, to be fair, Phil has succeeded at a thing or two, also. I mean, he has a net worth equal to that of some small nations.

But Rico is right: Phil is a fraud, he is all about himself and his bottom line, and he is quite unpopular among touring pros.

I wouldn’t be sure about his current wealth status based on some rumors floating around
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on February 18, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
I think some of it is that there haven’t been any real public consequences to Phil’s gambling. He’s more viewed as the guy that likes to make a few bets, but has so much money, it’s only a small percentage. Plus, a lot of people gamble on golf, so it seems natural. He also has that public persona that some of the stories people just chuckle and say “Oh Phil.”

Even MJ’s public reaction to gambling is interesting. He’s had some issues with gambling and there’s the rumors about the connection to his Dad’s murder and first retirement. He still has so much money I think people just view it as him dipping a little bit into that wealth.

At least the public perception of their finances might be different than the real situation.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 18, 2022, 10:51:11 AM
I think some of it is that there haven’t been any real public consequences to Phil’s gambling. He’s more viewed as the guy that likes to make a few bets, but has so much money, it’s only a small percentage. Plus, a lot of people gamble on golf, so it seems natural. He also has that public persona that some of the stories people just chuckle and say “Oh Phil.”

Even MJ’s public reaction to gambling is interesting. He’s had some issues with gambling and there’s the rumors about the connection to his Dad’s murder and first retirement. He still has so much money I think people just view it as him dipping a little bit into that wealth.

At least the public perception of their finances might be different than the real situation.

I agree with this. For years, Phil's gambling was portrayed as an extremely competitive guy with loads of money just having some fun. The "Oh Phil" stories. It wasn't until his insider trading deal went public that the truer and darker picture actually emerged. It brought to light some of the characters that Phil associated himself with and how they went hand-in-hand with his gambling. Truthfully, the admiration of it should have stopped then.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 18, 2022, 11:12:47 AM
I caddied in Phil’s fivesome at the 99 Western Open pro-am at Cog. It was a thrill to be in that group, Phil was nice to everyone in the group, and they definitely did bet a couple hundo on holes throughout the day.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on February 18, 2022, 11:22:53 AM
Devils advocate...despite the Saudi association, Phil makes a couple very good points regarding the PGA tour.  He could have definitely gone about it better and if he jumps ship to the Saudi league and nothing is done, then its a terrible look.  But still, some valid points brought up.

I also wouldn't quite goes as far as to call Phil a "fraud".  He can be an arrogant cocky SOB who isn't well liked by fellow tour pros...but still be warm and friendly to fans/associated golf people and be well liked by them for a reason.  I have 10-12 positive interactions with Phil from myself and a few of my friends/former coworkers and none on the negative side, so YMMV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on February 18, 2022, 11:33:33 AM
Devils advocate...despite the Saudi association, Phil makes a couple very good points regarding the PGA tour.  He could have definitely gone about it better and if he jumps ship to the Saudi league and nothing is done, then its a terrible look.  But still, some valid points brought up.

I also wouldn't quite goes as far as to call Phil a "fraud".  He can be an arrogant cocky SOB who isn't well liked by fellow tour pros...but still be warm and friendly to fans/associated golf people and be well liked by them for a reason.  I have 10-12 positive interactions with Phil from myself and a few of my friends/former coworkers and none on the negative side, so YMMV.

I’m wondering if it’s similar to Buzz. The public persona is so different than how he treats people out of the public eye. Everyone thinks of Phil as a bit of the lovable loser with the goofy grin who always has time for the fans. When, behind closed doors he’s a bit of a prick.

Fraud is probably harsh but I would say he’s very careful about his media portrayal. As are most athletes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 11:44:59 AM
Some of the pros don't like him, others really enjoy their money games and the help he has given the young guys.   Obviously polarizing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 18, 2022, 11:45:33 AM
Devils advocate...despite the Saudi association, Phil makes a couple very good points regarding the PGA tour.  He could have definitely gone about it better and if he jumps ship to the Saudi league and nothing is done, then its a terrible look.  But still, some valid points brought up.

Phil's big issue is that he's out on an island at the minute. Guys like Thomas, Rahm, Koepka, Morikawa, Rory and Spieth have all dismissed the SGL. Phil's hammering the PGA Tour, but the Tour's present and future is not jumping aboard his rebellion. This hallows out his argument, even if he may have valid points on how the Tour handles player compensation, bonuses, media rights and NFTs.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 11:53:15 AM
Phil's big issue is that he's out on an island at the minute. Guys like Thomas, Rahm, Koepka, Morikawa, Rory and Spieth have all dismissed the SGL. Phil's hammering the PGA Tour, but the Tour's present and future is not jumping aboard his rebellion. This hallows out his argument, even if he may have valid points on how the Tour handles player compensation, bonuses, media rights and NFTs.

If you need to use blood money to make a point, your using that as a crutch.

The tour has a lot of issues.  FIGJAM has had a lot of opportunities through the years to vent these frustrations either through the media or being an active part of the PAC.  My sympathies for him are zero in this regard. 

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
I caddied in Phil’s fivesome at the 99 Western Open pro-am at Cog. It was a thrill to be in that group, Phil was nice to everyone in the group, and they definitely did bet a couple hundo on holes throughout the day.

Devils advocate...despite the Saudi association, Phil makes a couple very good points regarding the PGA tour.  He could have definitely gone about it better and if he jumps ship to the Saudi league and nothing is done, then its a terrible look.  But still, some valid points brought up.

I also wouldn't quite goes as far as to call Phil a "fraud".  He can be an arrogant cocky SOB who isn't well liked by fellow tour pros...but still be warm and friendly to fans/associated golf people and be well liked by them for a reason.  I have 10-12 positive interactions with Phil from myself and a few of my friends/former coworkers and none on the negative side, so YMMV.

As always, perceptions are very personal. How did he treat me, or my kid or some people I know ... that's what matters to each of us. And that's "fair" (for lack of better word).
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on February 18, 2022, 01:16:04 PM
Phil's big issue is that he's out on an island at the minute. Guys like Thomas, Rahm, Koepka, Morikawa, Rory and Spieth have all dismissed the SGL. Phil's hammering the PGA Tour, but the Tour's present and future is not jumping aboard his rebellion. This hallows out his argument, even if he may have valid points on how the Tour handles player compensation, bonuses, media rights and NFTs.

They are also still in their primes with tons of money and opportunity to be gained from playing nice with the PGA and sticking with it.  Pat Perez even said as much in his comments referring to Adam Scott and others who have interest in the SGL.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I think its just a bit different stakes/stages in the career.

If you need to use blood money to make a point, your using that as a crutch.

The tour has a lot of issues.  FIGJAM has had a lot of opportunities through the years to vent these frustrations either through the media or being an active part of the PAC.  My sympathies for him are zero in this regard. 

It doesn't have to be sympathy, just acknowledging that he has a point, regardless of how he's making it.

Further, in the past there has been no real viable alternative to the PGA Tour, its been like the NFL in that regard.  So there is no leverage to push back, plus social media rights and NFTs and the like weren't a critical touchpoint 5-10 years ago, so its more in focus now.

As always, perceptions are very personal. How did he treat me, or my kid or some people I know ... that's what matters to each of us. And that's "fair" (for lack of better word).

Ok, then share myriad instances of him being awful to fans/the public if its just perception?

Cause every time criticism of Phil come up, it always seems to revolve around FIGJAM or fellow pros not liking him.  Which reminds me of a former coworker I had who was an absolute DOUCHE and awful to work with.  Yet I encountered him fairly regularly a few years later through mutual acquaintances and he was a really nice guy, beloved by his group of friends, and a completely different person out of the office.  And that dude wasn't massively successful in a very competitive personal sport
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 18, 2022, 09:05:09 PM
Phil works the fans, but he’s the exact opposite of a common Joe.

He’s an egotistical maniac. He thinks his NFT potential is in the billions. He is abandoning the exact system that made him the second highest earning golfer of all time to join the “really bad guys.”

He knows the Saudis murder journalists, homosexuals and political enemies. But since the Tour owns his media rights, he thinks he’s making the right decision?

He’s gone. Shame, would’ve been a great Ryder Cup captain.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 18, 2022, 09:51:29 PM
As always, perceptions are very personal. How did he treat me, or my kid or some people I know ... that's what matters to each of us. And that's "fair" (for lack of better word).

Interesting that the few here who know the guy and have had interaction with him think he’s a great guy but the many here who don’t know him at all can’t wait to tell you that everybody hates him and he a total douche because that’s what they’ve heard fourth or fifth hand. Scoop at its best!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on February 18, 2022, 09:59:44 PM
Interesting that the few here who know the guy and have had interaction with him think he’s a great guy but the many here who don’t know him at all can’t wait to tell you that everybody hates him and he a total douche because that’s what they’ve heard fourth or fifth hand. Scoop at its best!

Big leap to "know" from "have had interaction."
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 10:01:09 PM
Interesting that the few here who know the guy and have had interaction with him think he’s a great guy but the many here who don’t know him at all can’t wait to tell you that everybody hates him and he a total douche because that’s what they’ve heard fourth or fifth hand. Scoop at its best!

Nobody here "knows" Phil Mickelson.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 18, 2022, 10:01:24 PM
For many years we had a business relationship with Phil. Worked out well for all.

When he won The British Open we got to take pictures with the Claret Jug the day his plane returned to Carlsbad .

Phil has a business dispute with The PGA Tour and is making the most of the opportunities he has .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 10:14:37 PM
For many years we had a business relationship with Phil. Worked out well for all.

When he won The British Open we got to take pictures with the Claret Jug the day his plane returned to Carlsbad .

Phil has a business dispute with The PGA Tour and is making the most of the opportunities he has .

Yes, he’s in bed with a government that dismembers journalists and murders homosexuals but you got at pic with the Claret Jug.

Win-win
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 10:17:04 PM
Interesting that the few here who know the guy and have had interaction with him think he’s a great guy but the many here who don’t know him at all can’t wait to tell you that everybody hates him and he a total douche because that’s what they’ve heard fourth or fifth hand. Scoop at its best!

I’m very confident this isn’t going to end well for the Phil defenders. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on February 18, 2022, 11:20:35 PM
I’m very confident this isn’t going to end well for the Phil defenders.

I’m not sure who is “defending” his moves here.  I see his points but don’t think getting in bed with the Saudis is the right or defensible move.

People defending him not being a “fraud” and a decent guy to his fans/randoms as opposed to some raging ahole whenever not on camera aren’t going to suddenly be proven wrong by a money grab.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 18, 2022, 11:38:24 PM
I’m not sure who is “defending” his moves here.  I see his points but don’t think getting in bed with the Saudis is the right or defensible move.

People defending him not being a “fraud” and a decent guy to his fans/randoms as opposed to some raging ahole whenever not on camera aren’t going to suddenly be proven wrong by a money grab.

Right, he’s a well-known fraud.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: NolongerWarriors on February 19, 2022, 01:26:35 AM
I know someone who works at one of the famous courses, and get good gossip on all the pros.  Not a bad word was said about Phil.  He's nice to tournament volunteers when the camera is off regardless of whether he's had a good or bad round.  Do some pros not like him?  Sure, because he makes them look bad when he gives his thumbs-up to the fans after they've walked by with a sour puss look on their face.  And Phil knows it.

There are plenty of jerks on the tour (Koepka, Woods in his prime, Bubba Watson are 3 I've heard horror stories about) who lack even the most basic tenets of common courtesy or politeness, but Phil isn't one of them. 

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Mutaman on February 19, 2022, 02:29:31 AM
I know someone who knows Phil and he says he's a total a -h. Even worse, he's a right wing a--h---.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 19, 2022, 06:56:55 AM
All write wingers are ass holes, aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 19, 2022, 07:03:22 AM
Good thing Phil referred to himself as liberal aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 09:37:08 AM
https://twitter.com/eamonlynch/status/1495055959093399556?s=21
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2022, 02:36:32 PM
https://twitter.com/eamonlynch/status/1495055959093399556?s=21

Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 19, 2022, 03:03:33 PM
https://twitter.com/eamonlynch/status/1495055959093399556?s=21

Uhh......wtf?  That's not going to go well for Lefty. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jutaw22mu on February 19, 2022, 03:07:53 PM
Figjam's done.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 19, 2022, 09:23:07 PM
Yes, he’s in bed with a government that dismembers journalists and murders homosexuals but you got at pic with the Claret Jug.

Win-win

Lots of folks (NBA, politicians, business leaders, etc.) in bed with the murderous CCP but I haven’t seen any outrage here. Puzzling.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 19, 2022, 09:34:57 PM
Lots of folks (NBA, politicians, business leaders, etc.) in bed with the murderous CCP but I haven’t seen any outrage here. Puzzling.

Lol. What?

You haven’t been reading very much then. Really, you’re trying THAT hard to make a point that you make such a laughably incorrect statement???
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2022, 09:44:32 PM
Lots of folks (NBA, politicians, business leaders, etc.) in bed with the murderous CCP but I haven’t seen any outrage here. Puzzling.

Like the Trump family?

That’s pretty good whataboutism, I’ll give you that.  FIGJAM went out of his way to admit the horrors of the Saudi’s and yet has no problem dealing with them because he needs another big payday.

I guess his honesty over his lack of morals is commendable.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2022, 06:35:57 AM
Yeah, I don't get what Lennys point is.  (Per usual.)  Apparently he thinks that you aren't allowed to point out the atrocities committed by any country unless you point them all out?  You shouldn't point out the athlete that gets in bed with Saudi Arabia unless you point out the athletes that are involved in China? 

You can point out one without always pointing out the other you know.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 20, 2022, 07:57:16 AM
Lots of folks (NBA, politicians, business leaders, etc.) in bed with the murderous CCP but I haven’t seen any outrage here. Puzzling.

I'm often outraged by these people Lenny and have shared this many times.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2022, 08:31:43 AM
Lots of folks (NBA, politicians, business leaders, etc.) in bed with the murderous CCP but I haven’t seen any outrage here. Puzzling.

It’s not that puzzling. Let’s just look at golf in regards to China and Saudi.

The PGA TOUR has one event in China, a limited field event. It’s been cancelled the last two seasons.

It’s not funded by the CCP at all. It’s funded entirely by HSBC, a major PGA TOUR sponsor.

The CCP doesn’t believe in golf as a sport and is systematically eliminating courses on the mainland. The CCP doesn’t want the PGA TOUR or the publicity that comes with it.

Let’s look at the Saudis. MBS bought the Asian Tour for $200m, well over it’s worth for it’s framework and OWGR standing.
They pay seven digit appearance fees to golfers to play one event in Saudi a year.

MBS is now promising $120m to Phil, Bryson, DJ to join his league. A league of mostly washed-up golfers that are looking for their last payday.

Perfect situation for guys like Phil, who just had to sell his Gulfstream. Or Sergio Garcia who’s career is quickly coming to an end.

Why is MBS throwing a billion dollars to start a 20-man golf league? He’s growing the game, right? He’s not trying to sport-wash the Saudi Kingdom? He’s not taking the same route they played in the Premiere League, right?

Phil, Bryson and anyone that joins the Saudi league are directly taking the blood money, which is entirely different than the WGC HSBC Championship in China.

It’s so painfully obvious, only the blatantly ignorant would defend.

Add in the new avenue for MBS to funnel money to Trump and it’s even worse.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2022, 08:43:35 AM
What’s even a worse look for Phil is he could stay in the States, play the bloated, subsidized Champions Tour and make an easy $7-8m for the next ten years.

Or he could have continued to be a fan-favorite by replacing Faldo in the booth for a seven-digit payday and play on the Champions Tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2022, 09:25:12 AM
What’s even a worse look for Phil is he could stay in the States, play the bloated, subsidized Champions Tour and make an easy $7-8m for the next ten years.

Or he could have continued to be a fan-favorite by replacing Faldo in the booth for a seven-digit payday and play on the Champions Tour.

He needs to pay off his large gambling debts now, not later.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on February 20, 2022, 09:25:45 AM
I hope Phil and the boys that leave the Tour have a tremendous backlash against them, especially from their sponsors. Phil pretty much was guaranteed to mop up on endorsements for the remainder of his life, a much bigger payday than the new league, and I hope he gets spanked around a bit. I love guys chasing money, but this new league really bothers me. The backers, Norman's involvement and claim that the Tour does not take care of the guys is enough for me to believe it is not a league to be associated with.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 20, 2022, 09:30:29 AM
I do think it is understandable why the top players are irked with the tour.  Too many dates.  Too many rounds.  It is running a 1960s era schedule in 2022. 

But yeah this is a poor alternative regardless of Saudi involvement.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2022, 09:33:10 AM
I hope Phil and the boys that leave the Tour have a tremendous backlash against them, especially from their sponsors. Phil pretty much was guaranteed to mop up on endorsements for the remainder of his life, a much bigger payday than the new league, and I hope he gets spanked around a bit. I love guys chasing money, but this new league really bothers me. The backers, Norman's involvement and claim that the Tour does not take care of the guys is enough for me to believe it is not a league to be associated with.

Norman tried this in the early-to-mid 90’s.  He had Fox Sports lined up to televise his rival league, too.  Arnold Palmer was approached to be part of it and said no and the rest of the tour at the time followed his lead.  This ended up leading to the World Golf Championships.  Originally, the WGCs were supposed to travel the world, but the top Americans didn’t want that and the events largely ended up statying in the US.

Norman has held a grudge ever since, so his involvement isn’t a surprise.  The WGCs became a money grab for the top players and guaranteed world ranking points.  Phil didn’t play in all of them.  Interesting dynamic
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2022, 09:53:39 AM
I do think it is understandable why the top players are irked with the tour.  Too many dates.  Too many rounds.  It is running a 1960s era schedule in 2022. 

But yeah this is a poor alternative regardless of Saudi involvement.

The players control their own schedule, they can play as little or as much as they want.

I agree the top players should be pissed about the equity of the entire organization. Reports are saying TOUR is looking at changing that with a new Fall format that will feature the top-40 in a team-based series. Essentially ripping off the PGL model, but smaller.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2022, 09:56:12 AM
At least Dustin Johnson has a conscious.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2022, 09:56:43 AM
DJ released a statement saying he’s committed to the PGA Tour.  He was widely expected to take the Saudi money.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on February 20, 2022, 12:04:29 PM
Phil's big issue is that he's out on an island at the minute. Guys like Thomas, Rahm, Koepka, Morikawa, Rory and Spieth have all dismissed the SGL. Phil's hammering the PGA Tour, but the Tour's present and future is not jumping aboard his rebellion. This hallows out his argument, even if he may have valid points on how the Tour handles player compensation, bonuses, media rights and NFTs.

I think Phil's big issue is that he has only received $800+ million since he started playing on the PGA tour. They have taken advantage of him.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 20, 2022, 01:52:01 PM
Bryson is out on the SGL

Looks like Phil will have to rely on the geriatrics
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2022, 02:00:21 PM
So is DJ.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2022, 02:06:30 PM
Bryson is such a douche, Phil’s world is collapsing.

Kokrak next out?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on February 20, 2022, 02:09:43 PM
Phil twisting in the wind.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 20, 2022, 02:25:58 PM
Scott hooked his tee shot on 10 all of the way to Riyadh.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 20, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
Scott hooked his tee shot on 10 all of the way to Riyadh.

Please tell me it’s in the porta potty.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 21, 2022, 07:23:39 AM
Rory McIlroy didn't hold back on Phil Mickelson on Sunday, criticizing the Hall of Fame golfer for his scathing comments about the PGA Tour that were reported last week and how he admitted using the proposed new league backed by Greg Norman to create leverage against the Tour.

https://www.si.com/golf/news/2022-rory-mcilroy-speaks-out-against-phil-mickelson-about-pga-tour?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2022-02-21

Speaking after the final round of the Genesis Invitational, McIlroy — who in early 2020 stated his intention to remain with the PGA Tour — said he was happy to see that both Dustin Johnson and Bryson DeChambeau will continue to play on the PGA Tour.

Then he was asked about what Mickelson said in a phone conversation with writer Alan Shipnuck, which appeared last week on the Fire Pit Collective.

“I don't want to kick someone while he's down, obviously, but I thought they were naive, selfish, egotistical, ignorant," McIlroy told reporters. “A lot of words to describe that interaction he had with (writer Alan) Shipnuck. It was just very surprising and disappointing, sad. I'm sure he's sitting at home sort of rethinking his position and where he goes from here."


Good thing Rory didn't want to kick Mickelson when he was down! But Rory's comments were in line with what most pros seem to think of Mickelson's willingness to sell out to the Saudis.

Also, look who else is (unsurprisingly) embracing Saudi thugs ...

Former president Donald Trump’s company is angling to host events at his golf courses for the controversial Saudi golf league, according to three people familiar with the matter, potentially handing Trump a lucrative business partnership with an oppressive regime he defended as president.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/19/trump-saudi-arabia-golf/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F361b841%2F621270349d2fda34e79e33bd%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F43%2F72%2F621270349d2fda34e79e33bd

At least two of Trump’s courses in Bedminster, N.J., and Doral, Fla., could be named as sites for the nascent tour, according to the people familiar with the talks, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. Officials from LIV Golf Investments, the apparatus funded by the Saudis to host the tour, have held conversations with the Trump Organization, these people said.

One of the people familiar with the matter said Trump had spoken to Greg Norman, the head of LIV Golf Investments, about having his properties involved in the tour.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 21, 2022, 09:23:03 AM
Just wait until Alan's Phil biography comes out. The Saudi comments are supposedly not even close to the bombshells coming.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 21, 2022, 11:37:33 AM
Just wait until Alan's Phil biography comes out. The Saudi comments are supposedly not even close to the bombshells coming.

Billy Walters is writing a book with Armen Keteyian about Phil’s gambling habits
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 21, 2022, 12:48:08 PM
Oakland Hills to build an exact replica of its now charred clubhouse.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 21, 2022, 01:44:22 PM
So, is the SGL still going to launch the week of The Players? Only two weeks away. Or, was yesterday the end? IMO, the SGL absolutely needed Bryson and DJ for any semblance of golfing legitimacy.

Does Phil still go? Or, does he come crawling back to The Tour? What a debacle for him.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 21, 2022, 01:59:04 PM
It sure felt like a stake through the heart at Riviera for the SGL.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 21, 2022, 02:05:41 PM
So, is the SGL still going to launch the week of The Players? Only two weeks away. Or, was yesterday the end? IMO, the SGL absolutely needed Bryson and DJ for any semblance of golfing legitimacy.

Does Phil still go? Or, does he come crawling back to The Tour? What a debacle for him.

It isn’t dead.  The soon-to-be 50 crowd of Westwood and Stenson want the money.  I can see Aussies supporting Norman.  I don’t think Adam Scott is opposed to it.  A few lesser Americans like Jason Kokrak were involved, too
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 21, 2022, 02:11:56 PM
Yeah, so far it is the older Euros and Internationals along with Phil.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 21, 2022, 02:40:35 PM
It isn’t dead.  The soon-to-be 50 crowd of Westwood and Stenson want the money.  I can see Aussies supporting Norman.  I don’t think Adam Scott is opposed to it.  A few lesser Americans like Jason Kokrak were involved, too

A pre-Champions Tour. The league dying might be a better option.

Will be interesting to see who's the highest ranked American to jump. If it is Kokrak, he is currently #26 in the OWGR. And, unless there's some surprise, Kokrak might just be the highest ranked player in the SGL.

Given all the buzz back in the fall, what an absolute flop.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 21, 2022, 02:45:06 PM
A pre-Champions Tour. The league dying might be a better option.

Will be interesting to see who's the highest ranked American to jump. If it is Kokrak, he is currently #26 in the OWGR. And, unless there's some surprise, Kokrak might just be highest ranked player in the SGL.

Given all the buzz back in the fall, what an absolute flop.

I’m trying to guess the TV deal they have lined up.  They must have something planned. 

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: NolongerWarriors on February 21, 2022, 02:50:33 PM
Like the Trump family?

That’s pretty good whataboutism, I’ll give you that.  FIGJAM went out of his way to admit the horrors of the Saudi’s and yet has no problem dealing with them because he needs another big payday.

I guess his honesty over his lack of morals is commendable.

And it's absolutely no different than what people like Lebron are doing.  Or the awful Eileen Gu, who's siding with China for no other reason to make millions and millions of dollars.

At least have some consistency.  If you want to bash an athlete for going into business with bad people, then call them all out.  Every freaking one of them.

Scoopers are such hypocrites, hammering on Mickelson because of SA, and when someone rightfully brings up the NBA and politicians in bed with China (which they are), that doesn't matter and is just whataboutism, lol. 

I just love the hypocrites here thinking that their s*** doesn't stink.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 21, 2022, 03:00:29 PM
I’m trying to guess the TV deal they have lined up.  They must have something planned.

I would agree, but I would imagine any deal would be entirely dependent on who's in the SGL. There have been rumors of an unnamed streaming platform. But, who knows. And, any NBC-Comcast or Viacom entity is likely out due their media ties to The Tour.

If they sold some network on the idea that the SGL would have half of the OWGR top 20, they might have some problems when the league is Adam Scott, Phil and a bunch of Euros from the 2012 Ryder Cup team.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on February 21, 2022, 03:04:08 PM

Scoopers are such hypocrites, hammering on Mickelson because of SA, and when someone rightfully brings up the NBA and politicians in bed with China (which they are), that doesn't matter and is just whataboutism, lol. 

So when one person criticizes Phil over the SGL and another person brings up China, the first person says "whatabutism?"
Crazy. It's almost like that's the exact definition of whataboutism.

Anyhow, could you point out where anyone here has ever defended LeBron on China?
Thanks
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 21, 2022, 03:22:04 PM
And it's absolutely no different than what people like Lebron are doing.  Or the awful Eileen Gu, who's siding with China for no other reason to make millions and millions of dollars.

At least have some consistency.  If you want to bash an athlete for going into business with bad people, then call them all out.  Every freaking one of them.

Scoopers are such hypocrites, hammering on Mickelson because of SA, and when someone rightfully brings up the NBA and politicians in bed with China (which they are), that doesn't matter and is just whataboutism, lol. 

I just love the hypocrites here thinking that their s*** doesn't stink.

This is a golf thread.  Thanks for your whataboutism addition, however.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 21, 2022, 07:06:55 PM
And it's absolutely no different than what people like Lebron are doing.  Or the awful Eileen Gu, who's siding with China for no other reason to make millions and millions of dollars.

At least have some consistency.  If you want to bash an athlete for going into business with bad people, then call them all out.  Every freaking one of them.

Scoopers are such hypocrites, hammering on Mickelson because of SA, and when someone rightfully brings up the NBA and politicians in bed with China (which they are), that doesn't matter and is just whataboutism, lol. 

I just love the hypocrites here thinking that their s*** doesn't stink.

Let me know when Lebron is getting paid directly from the CCP to implode the NBA with the grand goal of sport washing Chinese atrocities.

But you won’t. You have no idea what you’re talking about. So just stay out of the thread, jackass.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 21, 2022, 08:15:12 PM
From what I have read the new Greg Norman venture so far has only made a deal to enhance the purses on certain Asian Tour events.

If the Enhanced Asian Tour events  attracts some aging stars to participate in those events, it might not be a bad idea for Golf world wide. It would also not be a bad thing for the PGA tour, as it would free up some space for more young and up and comers.

Greg Norman has had a hard on for the PGA Tour for many many years and this is just the latest iteration.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on February 21, 2022, 08:18:52 PM


Greg Norman has had a hard on for the PGA Tour for many many years and this is just the latest iteration.

Does he blame the PGA for all of the times he choked?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: NolongerWarriors on February 21, 2022, 08:57:46 PM
Let me know when Lebron is getting paid directly from the CCP to implode the NBA with the grand goal of sport washing Chinese atrocities.

But you won’t. You have no idea what you’re talking about. So just stay out of the thread, jackass.

You dishonest, hypocritical putz.

Implode the NBA?  The NBA's operations in China are worth over 5 BILLION dollars and nobody in that disgusting organization will dare criticize their Chinese overloards. 

Mickelson is putting his finances above human rights abuses in SA and NBA players (among others) are putting their finances above human rights abuses in China.

Your selective outrage is amusing and disgusting in equal measure.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 21, 2022, 11:44:58 PM
You dishonest, hypocritical putz.

Implode the NBA?  The NBA's operations in China are worth over 5 BILLION dollars and nobody in that disgusting organization will dare criticize their Chinese overloards. 

Mickelson is putting his finances above human rights abuses in SA and NBA players (among others) are putting their finances above human rights abuses in China.

Your selective outrage is amusing and disgusting in equal measure.



Thank you sir, but this is a Wendy’s.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 05:17:11 AM
You dishonest, hypocritical putz.

Implode the NBA?  The NBA's operations in China are worth over 5 BILLION dollars and nobody in that disgusting organization will dare criticize their Chinese overloards. 

Mickelson is putting his finances above human rights abuses in SA and NBA players (among others) are putting their finances above human rights abuses in China.

Your selective outrage is amusing and disgusting in equal measure.

Your selective outrage is amusing and disgusting in equal measure.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 22, 2022, 06:35:57 AM
You dishonest, hypocritical putz.

Implode the NBA?  The NBA's operations in China are worth over 5 BILLION dollars and nobody in that disgusting organization will dare criticize their Chinese overloards. 

Mickelson is putting his finances above human rights abuses in SA and NBA players (among others) are putting their finances above human rights abuses in China.

Your selective outrage is amusing and disgusting in equal measure.

But the NBA has words like “Equality” and “Justice” on their warm ups.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 22, 2022, 06:46:24 AM
But the NBA has words like “Equality” and “Justice” on their warm ups.

Cool story, boomer.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 06:48:02 AM
Mickelson is putting his finances above human rights abuses in SA and NBA players (among others) are putting their finances above human rights abuses in China.

They're not the least bit equivalent. But given your posting history, we can understand why it's an easy leap for you.

NBA = Black

golf = white

Ipso fatso in your warped worldview ... golf good, NBA bad.

And Shaka bad, too, you Badger-loving twat.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 22, 2022, 07:12:19 AM
Well, I guess talking golf is over. Just another culture war Scoop pissing match.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
Well, I guess talking golf is over. Just another culture war Scoop pissing match.

Stay on target
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 07:42:32 AM
Well, I guess talking golf is over. Just another culture war Scoop pissing match.

When you have one Badger-loving twat who only shows up on a Marquette basketball fan site either to post about how much he hates Marquette basketball or to say something racist (or often both in the same post), stuff happens.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 22, 2022, 08:25:14 AM
They're not the least bit equivalent. But given your posting history, we can understand why it's an easy leap for you.

NBA = Black

golf = white

Ipso fatso in your warped worldview ... golf good, NBA bad.

And Shaka bad, too, you Badger-loving twat.

I think his point (if you bothered to read his post) was that BOTH Mickelson and the NBA deserved criticism. But on Scoop one gets a pass.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on February 22, 2022, 08:34:21 AM
I think his point (if you bothered to read his post) was that BOTH Mickelson and the NBA deserved criticism. But on Scoop one gets a pass.

I mean, there have been dozens of posts on Scoop discussing and critical of the NBA's relationship with China, including a nine-page thread a few years back (linked below). But keep driving that narrative.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=59129.0
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 08:34:50 AM
I think his point (if you bothered to read his post) was that BOTH Mickelson and the NBA deserved criticism. But on Scoop one gets a pass.

Great.  There’s a whole NBA thread and Lebron has been criticized quite a bit in the NBA thread.  Maybe not by the people you want to criticize him, but criticized nonetheless.

As for Phil, he made his bed and he has to lay in it.  Like most of his gambling, this one blew up in his face
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:28:12 AM
I think his point (if you bothered to read his post) was that BOTH Mickelson and the NBA deserved criticism. But on Scoop one gets a pass.

Not sure why you are supporting a Badger-loving twat who hates Shaka because he's Black ... but nobody here said the NBA didn't deserve criticism.

It's the golf thread. We were talking about golfers, specifically Phil Mickelson. HE changed the subject to make it one of his typical screeds. HE made it about race, as he often does.

On the basketball board, meanwhile, he's a Marquette hoops-hater.

I'm not one who thinks the mods should ban him. I like to know who people like him are, and what they're saying. But I'm also gonna point out his BS.

Lenny, you are way too intelligent to think he was merely providing an "alternate view" here.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 09:38:36 AM
Back to golf.   Phil, Westwood, Scott... that does not make a league.    The whole thing may have jumped the Shark for now.   But the Saudi's have nearly limitless funds.   Down the road, I can definitely see more events in Saudi Arabia with 8 figure appearance fees.  I can envision them boosting purses on the Asian and/or European tour and having more events in the middle east.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 22, 2022, 09:57:49 AM
Back to golf.   Phil, Westwood, Scott... that does not make a league.    The whole thing may have jumped the Shark for now.   But the Saudi's have nearly limitless funds.   Down the road, I can definitely see more events in Saudi Arabia with 8 figure appearance fees.  I can envision them boosting purses on the Asian and/or European tour and having more events in the middle east.

I think the PGA TOUR comes out with a hard statement about playing in Saudi after this fiasco. They now know they have the backing of the membership at-large. DP World Tour follows suit. Asian Tour has to prop up Saudi events to keep any sort of OWGR significance.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 10:02:00 AM
I think they still let their stars go over and get the big pay day.    To restrict them would bring up the bad feelings.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 10:21:26 AM
From what I have read the new Greg Norman venture so far has only made a deal to enhance the purses on certain Asian Tour events.

If the Enhanced Asian Tour events  attracts some aging stars to participate in those events, it might not be a bad idea for Golf world wide. It would also not be a bad thing for the PGA tour, as it would free up some space for more young and up and comers.

Greg Norman has had a hard on for the PGA Tour for many many years and this is just the latest iteration.
This is an article from three weeks ago featuring Norman and the commissioner of the  Asian Tour
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/asian-tour-liv-golf-international-series-greg-norman
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 22, 2022, 11:27:55 AM
This is an article from three weeks ago featuring Norman and the commissioner of the  Asian Tour
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/asian-tour-liv-golf-international-series-greg-norman

Herms, you understand that the Asian Tour was bought to prop up the Saudi League right? It gave the Saudis legitimacy within the OWGR which otherwise they couldn't get. Smart play by MBS.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 11:31:24 AM
Herms, you understand that the Asian Tour was bought to prop up the Saudi League right? It gave the Saudis legitimacy within the OWGR which otherwise they couldn't get. Smart play by MBS.

To properly honor The Shark, no tournaments will finish on Sundays
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 22, 2022, 03:38:03 PM
Phil gets a suspension, likely a quiet one.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 22, 2022, 03:58:06 PM
Phil gets a suspension, likely a quiet one.

The boys at NLU hit it on the head.  Still FIGJAM

https://twitter.com/nolayingup/status/1496238976813907975?s=21
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on February 22, 2022, 04:23:54 PM
The press release does not paint a pretty picture for Phil. I have always had love-hate feelings towards Phil and gave him the benefit of the doubt more times than not, that likely will be changing. He needs to get knocked a couple of pegs and see how he responds before I am back on his bandwagon. That said, I do appreciate the 12-1 odds I made off him over the PGA weekend last year.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on February 22, 2022, 04:42:45 PM
The boys at NLU hit it on the head.  Still FIGJAM

https://twitter.com/nolayingup/status/1496238976813907975?s=21

Does he have Aaron Rodgers’ press team?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on February 22, 2022, 04:55:36 PM
Phil gets a suspension, likely a quiet one.

He's going to try baseball for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 22, 2022, 05:19:15 PM
KPMG is moving on from Phil. Workday will be as well after The Masters.

Phil's getting cancelled guys.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on February 22, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
KPMG is moving on from Phil. Workday will be as well after The Masters.

Phil's getting cancelled guys.

Good.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 06:26:02 PM
Herms, you understand that the Asian Tour was bought to prop up the Saudi League right? It gave the Saudis legitimacy within the OWGR which otherwise they couldn't get. Smart play by MBS.
Yes this was a very good move. From a business perspective they  just let the bigger purses on the Asian Tour play out for a while, see how much they can improve the fields and build from there. Put their Super League idea on the back burner until you can prop up the Asian Tour to be closer to the level of the European Tour. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 22, 2022, 09:09:49 PM
Phil Apologizes and also loses KPMG endorsement
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mickelson-apology-2022
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 09:14:14 PM
As many of us said, Phil is not the great guy he pretends to be. No wonder most of his peers dislike him.

Good non-apology apology. Classic damage control.

Oh, and claiming his interview was off-the-record and trying to impugn Shipnuck’s integrity … extra kisses for that cover-his-ass lie. What a douchenozzle.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 09:51:27 PM
Uhh....as I said.....this is not going to well for Lefty. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 05:25:45 AM
Phil Apologizes and also loses KPMG endorsement
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mickelson-apology-2022

“Apologizes”
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 23, 2022, 06:24:44 AM
Hey, but Phil signs autographs and gives thumbs up!

He’s a great guy, I heard it from the bag drop guy’s third cousin.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2022, 07:00:49 AM
All can be true.   His treatment of on site personnel is legendary.   Huge tipper.   Polarizing among his comrades.   Some love him, some hate him.  Says stupid stuff from time to time.   Chases money.    Second best player of his generation.   All can be true.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 07:03:56 AM
All can be true.   His treatment of on site personnel is legendary.   Huge tipper.   Polarizing among his comrades.   Some love him, some hate him.  Says stupid stuff from time to time.   Chases money.    Second best player of his generation.   All can be true.

Ernie Els is the second best player of his generation
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2022, 07:07:19 AM
Tiger




Phil
Ernie
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 07:15:09 AM
Tiger




Phil
Ernie

Tiger










































Ernie
Phil
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 23, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
I've actually heard, from one who would know, that Phil is a very genuine guy. Yes, he is that nice. Unlike Dustin Johnson, who he labelled, "a punk," hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 08:00:31 AM
I've actually heard, from one who would know, that Phil is a very genuine guy. Yes, he is that nice. Unlike Dustin Johnson, who he labelled, "a punk," hey?

I’ve heard from one guy who would know that Phil is the biggest phony in the game.  I also heard an amazing story about why DJ missed the Masters a few years ago and it had nothing to do with stairs but a fellow player not appreciating approaches towards his then fiancé.

Very much looking forward to Billy Walters book
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2022, 08:25:50 AM
So, polarizing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 23, 2022, 08:35:56 AM
Tiger










































Ernie
Phil

This is correct. Phil's 2021 PGA brought him much closer to Big Easy, but he's still the #2. Doesn't get recognized because of Phil's nonsense and he played the international game.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 09:26:48 AM
I'm glad that Shipnuck came out with a statement saying Phil was full of sh!t.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on February 23, 2022, 09:33:29 AM
I'm glad that Shipnuck came out with a statement saying Phil was full of sh!t.

Silly question. Is it assumed you are on the record unless stating otherwise? Or assumed off the record unless stating otherwise?

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on February 23, 2022, 09:36:52 AM
So, polarizing.

Throwing Tom Watson under the bus after the 2014 Ryder Cup was the end of my respect for him. Tom did not have a good captaincy, but Phil being Phil, he had to throw gasoline immediately on the fire. A completely pathetic and self-serving move that demonstrated no respect for an all-time great and a man that had captained a prior Cup team to victory.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 09:41:50 AM
Silly question. Is it assumed you are on the record unless stating otherwise? Or assumed off the record unless stating otherwise?

Yes, it's assumed one is on the record when one consents to be interviewed by a journalist and doesn't ask for it to be off the record. That's just common sense.

Given that Phil is a liar and that Shipnuck has an excellent reputation, it's pretty easy to see what went on here. Phil said idiotic crap that makes him look like a guy who cares about nothing but money, and it looks worse in print than it did when the words came out of his mouth, so he's scrambling to try to save himself in every way possible. Pretty soon he'll blame it on Dubya and Wojo.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 23, 2022, 09:50:32 AM
Silly question. Is it assumed you are on the record unless stating otherwise? Or assumed off the record unless stating otherwise?



KVV stated this the best. “Off The Record” is a two-way agreement between journalists and subject. A subject doesn’t not get to declare something OTR after the fact or just assume it is such without discussion upfront.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on February 23, 2022, 12:02:56 PM
Throwing Tom Watson under the bus after the 2014 Ryder Cup was the end of my respect for him. Tom did not have a good captaincy, but Phil being Phil, he had to throw gasoline immediately on the fire. A completely pathetic and self-serving move that demonstrated no respect for an all-time great and a man that had captained a prior Cup team to victory.

Phil showed us who he was a long time ago.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 12:30:54 PM
I didn't realize Greg Norman Is the CEO of this potential rival league.   He needs Saudi cash too?  What exactly has the PGA tour done to both of these guys that's so egregious??  Am I missing something?  I find this incredibly bizarre and seriously disturbing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 23, 2022, 12:35:47 PM
I didn't realize Greg Norman Is the CEO of this potential rival league.   He needs Saudi cash too?  What exactly has the PGA tour done to both of these guys that's so egregious??  Am I missing something?  I find this incredibly bizarre and seriously disturbing.

Norman's been at this for awhile. He's always wanted a global tour, instead of the US-centric tour.

Basically, they're both egotistical maniacs that believe they are the smartest person alive. They have the brash arrogance to believe they can do anything because they cannot do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 12:36:52 PM
I didn't realize Greg Norman Is the CEO of this potential rival league.   He needs Saudi cash too?  What exactly has the PGA tour done to both of these guys that's so egregious??  Am I missing something?  I find this incredibly bizarre and seriously disturbing.

Extreme narcissism rears its ugly head.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 12:51:13 PM
Norman's been at this for awhile. He's always wanted a global tour, instead of the US-centric tour.

Basically, they're both egotistical maniacs that believe they are the smartest person alive. They have the brash arrogance to believe they can do anything because they cannot do anything wrong.

Yeah, Norman hasn’t been a fan of the tour for decades.  Norman also overvalues his opinion and importance when it comes to the game of golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 12:54:52 PM
I do have a pair of charcoal-colored, Greg Norman-brand golf pants that I got on clearance at Costco for $17. They are the perfect weight to wear on warmer Charlotte days when I umpire youth baseball.

So thanks, Greg!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on February 23, 2022, 12:58:48 PM
Yeah, Norman hasn’t been a fan of the tour for decades.  Norman also overvalues his opinion and importance when it comes to the game of golf.

What exactly is his beef though??  Because one of the weirder things in Phil's statement  was this "we need to bring change" lecture about the PGA without listing a single thing that he actually objects to.  Is this simply rapacity and ego or is there something specific that people are missing?  As far as I can tell the PGA has been in great shape despite initial concerns that losing Tiger would really hurt the game.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
What exactly is his beef though??  Because one of the weirder things in Phil's statement  was this "we need to bring change" lecture about the PGA without listing a single thing that he actually objects to.  Is this simply rapacity and ego or is there something specific that people are missing?  As far as I can tell the PGA has been in great shape despite initial concerns that losing Tiger would really hurt the game.

Phil, because of his massive gambling debts, thinks the tour is keeping money from him and needs a payday to pay off bookies across the world.

He doesn’t actually care about golf or the tour.  It’s cover for “pay me”.

That said, the tour needs to be overhauled.  The top players should get paid more and the bloated schedule needs to be condensed and have more variety of events. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on February 23, 2022, 03:51:58 PM
All this talk about Phil's gambling debts - does he owe, like cement shoes money?  Is it possible that the Saudis consolidated his debt before all this even started?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2022, 04:11:15 PM
All speculation.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 23, 2022, 04:59:28 PM
All this talk about Phil's gambling debts - does he owe, like cement shoes money?  Is it possible that the Saudis consolidated his debt before all this even started?

He’s used his wife to pay off debts before.  Allegedly
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2022, 08:57:00 PM
He’s used his wife to pay off debts before.  Allegedly

Alleged by whom? Other than you?

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: NolongerWarriors on February 23, 2022, 09:44:33 PM
He’s used his wife to pay off debts before.  Allegedly

For God's sake...
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 24, 2022, 09:03:32 AM
Alleged by whom? Other than you?



https://heavy.com/sports/2015/06/amy-mickelson-phil-wife-mcbride-married-how-did-they-meet-bio-kids-cancer/

It's on the Google, so it must be true. This is how you guys do this right?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 24, 2022, 12:25:30 PM
The Shark doing his best Putin today.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 12:40:12 PM
The Shark doing his best Putin today.

Would be better if Putin did his best Shark ... and missed his target over and over again with a lot on the line.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 24, 2022, 01:27:54 PM
Would be better if Putin did his best Shark ... and missed his target over and over again with a lot on the line.

Lol well played
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 24, 2022, 06:28:27 PM
I’ve heard from one guy who would know that Phil is the biggest phony in the game.  I also heard an amazing story about why DJ missed the Masters a few years ago and it had nothing to do with stairs but a fellow player not appreciating approaches towards his then fiancé.

Very much looking forward to Billy Walters book

  i think dj has mellowed.  maybe a couple of slap shots up side the head and yes, his "stairway mishap" could have contributed.  also, his sampling of the the "goods" however, is legendary, but not a good way to bond with the boys
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 26, 2022, 03:31:27 PM
must have been something phil said-

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33378392/the-american-express-event-pga-tour-no-longer-phil-mickelson-serve-host


maybe a little too much of that saudi sun?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 26, 2022, 03:46:35 PM
must have been something phil said-

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/33378392/the-american-express-event-pga-tour-no-longer-phil-mickelson-serve-host


maybe a little too much of that saudi sun?
Big Corporations have no back bone. Once this blows over Mickelson will get some new sponsors.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 26, 2022, 04:11:12 PM
Big Corporations have no back bone. Once this blows over Mickelson will get some new sponsors.

Here’s an idea, don’t use a regime known to murder journalists as leverage in your personal feud with the tour and admit it and then double down on it with a non-apology.  And we’re not done with the Phil stories yet.  Drip, drip, drip
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 27, 2022, 03:38:06 PM
I love seeing stocky Irishmen do well.


Poop.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 27, 2022, 04:54:44 PM
I love seeing stocky Irishmen do well.


Poop.

He played well enough to win, Straka just played better
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 27, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
Poorly timed downpour.   Hurt Shane's tee shot on 18.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on February 27, 2022, 05:47:18 PM
PGA National is a tough course . Quality win for Straka
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 28, 2022, 08:43:24 AM
Zach Johnson is the 2023 Ryder Cup captain.

Which way does the causality go?  Did Phil go scorched earth because he knew the PGA was not going to name him captain?  Or did him going scorched earth mean the PGa went with the nice, quiet, respectable guy because there was no way they could give it to Phil now?

And congratulations to Zach.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2022, 08:58:58 AM
Zach Johnson is the 2023 Ryder Cup captain.

Which way does the causality go?  Did Phil go scorched earth because he knew the PGA was not going to name him captain?  Or did him going scorched earth mean the PGa went with the nice, quiet, respectable guy because there was no way they could give it to Phil now?

And congratulations to Zach.

I think the general assumption was Phil was going to get the 2025 captaincy at Bethpage because of his history there
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 28, 2022, 11:00:09 AM
Zach Johnson is the 2023 Ryder Cup captain.

Which way does the causality go?  Did Phil go scorched earth because he knew the PGA was not going to name him captain?  Or did him going scorched earth mean the PGa went with the nice, quiet, respectable guy because there was no way they could give it to Phil now?

And congratulations to Zach.

Stricker was going to roll up back in Italy until he got sick. ZJ just fulling a need until Tiger captains at Bethpage now.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on February 28, 2022, 12:18:54 PM
Stricker was going to roll up back in Italy until he got sick. ZJ just fulling a need until Tiger captains at Bethpage now.

Player-captain?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on February 28, 2022, 01:08:02 PM
Player-captain?

18 months ago, I would've said yes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 28, 2022, 01:18:15 PM
Player-captain?

I doubt Tiger would be able to walk Bethpage competitively, even in 3 years
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on February 28, 2022, 01:43:03 PM
Yep.  I don't see how he walks it.  Especially 36 in a day.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on March 01, 2022, 08:15:50 AM
Some good articles on a Zach Johnson

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/02/28/zach-johnson-named-united-states-ryder-cup-captain-for-2023-in-italy/

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/lists/zach-johnson-united-states-ryder-cup-captain-reaction/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on March 05, 2022, 08:11:14 AM
Almost impossible to believe:

Jon Rahm missed a 10-inch putt -- leaving it 7 inches short!

https://sports.yahoo.com/jon-rahm-misses-brutal-10-inch-putt-at-arnold-palmer-invitational-i-dont-know-013700952.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 05, 2022, 08:37:30 AM
Some good articles on a Zach Johnson

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/02/28/zach-johnson-named-united-states-ryder-cup-captain-for-2023-in-italy/

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/lists/zach-johnson-united-states-ryder-cup-captain-reaction/

next to strick, zach cut from the same mold
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2022, 09:29:31 AM
Jin Young Ko won her 6th title in 10 starts.  She has 15 consecutive rounds in the 60’s and in her last 30 rounds, she’s under-par.

That is golfing the ball
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on March 06, 2022, 03:33:56 PM
Bay Hill is proving to be a tough test . Scoring is more like a PGA Championship than a regular tour event
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 06, 2022, 04:55:44 PM
Great to see Scheffler win (grabbed him at +800 yesterday).
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU_B on March 07, 2022, 09:01:57 PM
Heading to the Players on Friday.  Hopefully to kill some time before watching Marquette in the Semi Finals.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on March 09, 2022, 05:38:33 PM
Heading to the Players on Friday.  Hopefully to kill some time before watching Marquette in the Semi Finals.
Weather is going to be lousy this week at The Players. Lots of Thunderstorms expected.

 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU_B on March 10, 2022, 10:50:58 AM
Weather is going to be lousy this week at The Players. Lots of Thunderstorms expected.

Yea.  I live about 10 miles from Sawgrass, and it's been pretty rough all morning. (with no end in sight.) 

Guessing this will be a Monday/Tuesday finish.


Made it out to watch about 90 minutes of action yesterday afternoon.  Will try to do the same today if the course isn't underwater by 4 when the rain clears. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 11, 2022, 03:49:48 PM
damn...like a cow pissin on a flat rock
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 12, 2022, 11:45:19 AM
Pure carnage in store at Sawgrass today.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 12, 2022, 03:04:25 PM
It’s almost impossible to land it on the green at 17 today off the tee.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on March 12, 2022, 06:47:38 PM
Just before the horn sounded , Louie Oosthuizen hit his second shot on the Par 5 Second to six feet . He will have that out for Eagle first thing in the morning . Currently at -3 .

I think they this windy setting might work in Louies favor the next few days . Seems like he is always hanging around the top at these big events

Also Bubba Watson may be factor with his ability to bend the ball
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on March 13, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
Packed leaderboard at The Players. Most of the leaders will have to play 27 holes Monday.

Also , Paul McGinley is fantastic on The Golf Channel , really outclasses and is much more interesting than Chamblee
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 13, 2022, 09:46:28 PM
who crowned chamblee king turd of golf channel
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on March 14, 2022, 10:09:00 PM
Outstanding 66 on the final day by Cameron Smith to win The Players

I think we will be seeing more of this young guy in the future .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 15, 2022, 10:02:33 AM
Sand Valley getting even better

https://sandvalley.com/sedge-valley
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 22, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
phil mick not in the masters 2022.  ends his run of 27 straight years going for the green...hmmmmmmmm.  looks like he's still working on the "man he wants to be"
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2022, 03:29:43 PM
Rumors are that Phil is suspended.

I hope some other league give the PGA a run for their money. It is not a well run operation and needs some competition. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 22, 2022, 04:52:35 PM
Rumors are that Phil is suspended.

I hope some other league give the PGA a run for their money. It is not a well run operation and needs some competition.

The Masters is wholly independent of the Tour
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 22, 2022, 05:18:41 PM
The Masters is wholly independent of the Tour
Oh, that's right. Not sure why he's not playing. Strange.

I still think the PGA could be better run.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on April 17, 2022, 02:31:28 PM
Still a fan of overweight Irish guys with great short games.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on April 17, 2022, 02:33:34 PM
Still a fan of overweight Irish guys with great short games.
I am rooting for Shane too
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on April 17, 2022, 02:36:18 PM
I would be happy with Spieth or HV3.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on April 17, 2022, 02:42:50 PM
Lowry messed up that wedge shot. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on April 17, 2022, 05:05:01 PM
Not a bad bunker shot by Speith.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on April 17, 2022, 05:35:09 PM
Not a bad bunker shot by Speith.
Delighted to see Spieth in the winners circle again.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on April 17, 2022, 05:38:03 PM
Good for Spieth. Really want him to get back to consistently contending/winning.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jutaw22mu on April 17, 2022, 07:21:36 PM
Curious is anyone has played Lake of Isles in CT?  I'm supposed to play there in ~2 weeks.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jables1604 on April 18, 2022, 10:49:45 PM
Curious is anyone has played Lake of Isles in CT?  I'm supposed to play there in ~2 weeks.
Yes. It’s the Foxwoods’ course. 36 holes. 18 are member only; the other 18 open to the public. They used to rotate every other year.  Last time I played they were well maintained and weren’t getting a huge amount of play.

The problem with playing in two weeks is that it could be 80 and sunny but just as likely to be 40 and miserable. I would pack for both contingencies.

*And always, always hit on a soft 17.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jutaw22mu on April 21, 2022, 09:23:11 PM
Yes. It’s the Foxwoods’ course. 36 holes. 18 are member only; the other 18 open to the public. They used to rotate every other year.  Last time I played they were well maintained and weren’t getting a huge amount of play.

The problem with playing in two weeks is that it could be 80 and sunny but just as likely to be 40 and miserable. I would pack for both contingencies.

*And always, always hit on a soft 17.

Ugh, it's looking like ~50 degrees next Thursday.  Terrible.  Cold weather gear it is.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on April 22, 2022, 06:57:33 AM
Move up a set of tees.  Take two extra clubs.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on April 24, 2022, 07:13:38 PM
Dustin Johnson and Paulina Gretzky finally get married, after all these years .

https://nypost.com/2022/04/24/paulina-gretzky-marries-dustin-johnson-in-tennessee-wedding/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 24, 2022, 07:14:40 PM
Is she wearing white at her weddin', hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on April 25, 2022, 12:53:37 PM
Is she wearing white at her weddin', hey?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AAZQaYKZMTI
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2022, 06:46:19 PM
More news out of Sand Valley

https://www.wisconsin.golf/courses/major-expansion-at-sand-valley-to-include-worlds-largest-putting-course-500-yard-driving-range/article_4123ef30-c590-11ec-87ee-e3cecb4e27a2.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 05, 2022, 05:35:51 PM
  ho boy...this new book by alan shipnuck on phil mickelson ain't gonna win him many fans-his gambling losses making john daly and charles barkley blush

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/phil-mickelson-extraordinary-gambling-expenses-book-excerpt
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 05, 2022, 06:33:40 PM
  ho boy...this new book by alan shipnuck on phil mickelson ain't gonna win him many fans-his gambling losses making john daly and charles barkley blush

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/phil-mickelson-extraordinary-gambling-expenses-book-excerpt

No, he's not.  40m???  In 4 years??  WTF was this guy doing and thinking?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2022, 06:35:06 PM
No, he's not.  40m???  In 4 years??  WTF was this guy doing and thinking?

He’s always been a phony.  Too bad the stories about him and his wife won’t make this book.  Maybe the Penthouse Forum
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on May 05, 2022, 06:59:54 PM
Rico

Good call on his relationship with his wife. I would buy the book on that topic in a heartbeat. As for the gambling and insider trading, I would be shocked if the number was not under reported.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2022, 07:10:43 PM
Rico

Good call on his relationship with his wife. I would buy the book on that topic in a heartbeat. As for the gambling and insider trading, I would be shocked if the number was not under reported.

Billy Walters has a book coming out this summer that will expound on the insider trading topic and gambling losses.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 05, 2022, 07:17:24 PM
Rico

Good call on his relationship with his wife. I would buy the book on that topic in a heartbeat. As for the gambling and insider trading, I would be shocked if the number was not under reported.

This is insane Goose.  Think about that number?  If you haven't seen the film Owming Mahony I would highly recommend it.  Phillip Seymour Hoffman was phenomenal in this role.  What an incredible talent and a terrible loss.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 05, 2022, 07:50:10 PM
Rico

Good call on his relationship with his wife. I would buy the book on that topic in a heartbeat. As for the gambling and insider trading, I would be shocked if the number was not under reported.

  his wife was kinda hawt...i could see phil coming home with a couple more to complete the foursome and play a few holes anyway :D
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 05, 2022, 08:00:05 PM
Rumor has it he excels on the back 9, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 05, 2022, 08:07:34 PM
I don't think people care about Phil's Eyes Wide Shut escapades but I suppose I could be wrong.  40m in 4 years is absolutely incredible....and maybe it's more than that.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2022, 08:11:19 PM
I don't think people care about Phil's Eyes Wide Shut escapades but I suppose I could be wrong.  40m in 4 years is absolutely incredible....and maybe it's more than that.

It’s more than that.

Not really clipped anywhere because it’s not as salacious is why him and Bones broke up.  Bones fired him over hundred of thousands of dollars in unpaid back pay
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 05, 2022, 08:16:30 PM
It’s more than that.

Not really clipped anywhere because it’s not as salacious is why him and Bones broke up.  Bones fired him over hundred of thousands of dollars in unpaid back pay

I did just read that.  What an absolute disgrace if those reports are true. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2022, 08:22:45 PM
I did just read that.  What an absolute disgrace if those reports are true.

It won’t matter.  At some point, all will be forgiven and he’ll get a heroes welcome.  It’s what we do with athletes/stars in this country.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on May 05, 2022, 09:48:04 PM
It’s more than that.

Not really clipped anywhere because it’s not as salacious is why him and Bones broke up.  Bones fired him over hundred of thousands of dollars in unpaid back pay

I think Phil been broke for some time. He just couldn't pay Bones at that point. Bones dumped Phil in mid-2017. By then, Phil hadn't won on Tour since 2014. Phil replaced Bones with his brother. It was spun at the time as a trusted voice on the bag, but in reality it was just a cost cutting move.

It also makes sense why Phil would be so desperate to get involved with an insider trading scheme. Why he sold off his jet in 2019. Why he's taking the Saudi cash grab.

Billy Waters book is going to be something.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: forgetful on May 05, 2022, 09:52:43 PM
I don't think people care about Phil's Eyes Wide Shut escapades but I suppose I could be wrong.  40m in 4 years is absolutely incredible....and maybe it's more than that.

I'm still not sure why Phil was chastised for his Saudi comments. Nothing he said was false. He should have been credited for speaking up, not chastised.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 05, 2022, 10:03:04 PM
I'm still not sure why Phil was chastised for his Saudi comments. Nothing he said was false. He should have been credited for speaking up, not chastised.

Wait a minute....didn't he make those comments about the Saudis but then support playing for that tour?   I guess I'm confused.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: forgetful on May 05, 2022, 10:35:40 PM
Wait a minute....didn't he make those comments about the Saudis but then support playing for that tour?   I guess I'm confused.

Yeah, that part was weird and didn't make sense. But he was chastised for his criticism of the Saudi's, which was actually accurate.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 05, 2022, 10:48:26 PM
Yeah, that part was weird and didn't make sense. But he was chastised for his criticism of the Saudi's, which was actually accurate.

I don't disagree with you .  I have no idea what his yearly earnings were but they had to be astounding in his prime.  The fact that he didn't pay his caddie (if reports are correct) is amazing to me.  How is that legal?  It's beyond bizarre. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 04:47:04 AM
Yeah, that part was weird and didn't make sense. But he was chastised for his criticism of the Saudi's, which was actually accurate.

He was chastised for staying in bed with them and actively working with them to sabotage the PGA Tour by having his lawyers draw up the LIV Tour charter
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 06, 2022, 08:00:59 AM
Another past-his-primer crying about the PGA Tour and looking forward to joining hands with the Saudis ...

Mercurial PGA star Sergio Garcia hit a wayward tee shot on No. 10 at the Wells Fargo Championship on Thursday which ended up ruled as out of bounds, even though Garcia found the ball. A rules official declared Garcia had used up the time limit to find the ball, which prompted the Spaniard to go off: "I can't wait to leave this tour. Can't wait to get outta here. A couple more weeks, and I won't have to deal with you anymore," Garcia said, presumably to the rules official.

Don't let the lob wedge hit you on the way out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 08:01:20 AM
Another past-his-primer crying about the PGA Tour and looking forward to joining hands with the Saudis ...

Mercurial PGA star Sergio Garcia hit a wayward tee shot on No. 10 at the Wells Fargo Championship on Thursday which ended up ruled as out of bounds, even though Garcia found the ball. A rules official declared Garcia had used up the time limit to find the ball, which prompted the Spaniard to go off: "I can't wait to leave this tour. Can't wait to get outta here. A couple more weeks, and I won't have to deal with you anymore," Garcia said, presumably to the rules official.

Don't let the lob wedge hit you on the way out.

He’s a loser
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 06, 2022, 08:25:50 AM
I was a little surprised to read that most of the LIV tournaments scheduled are in the United States.   I'm sure the PGA tour needs to make changes but I can't imagine anyone will really care this Saudi tour or it's a threat to the PGA. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 08:26:32 AM
I was a little surprised to read that most of the LIV tournaments scheduled are in the United States.   I'm sure the PGA tour needs to make changes but I can't imagine anyone will really care this Saudi tour or it's a threat to the PGA.

It’s a threat because the Saudis can lose millions of dollars and not care
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on May 06, 2022, 08:32:54 AM
It’s a threat because the Saudis can lose millions of dollars and not care

This seems a lot like the football leagues that try and compete with the NFL. The only way I see it working is if enough people like Phil to want to watch him. The other names don’t really seem like anyone to tune in for over another PGA event.

Also, I see two events will be played at Trump courses. I could see that drawing some people in, but not sure if it will be enough to really threaten the PGA.

I’m also not sure what network it will be on. I feel if it’s not on local television like other golf, most people won’t make the effort to find it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 08:35:25 AM
This seems a lot like the football leagues that try and compete with the NFL. The only way I see it working is if enough people like Phil to want to watch him. The other names don’t really seem like anyone to tune in for over another PGA event.

Also, I see two events will be played at Trump courses. I could see that drawing some people in, but not sure if it will be enough to really threaten the PGA.

I’m also not sure what network it will be on. I feel if it’s not on local television like other golf, most people won’t make the effort to find it.

Possibly.  Again, unlike upstart leagues in other sports, the money here is endless. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on May 06, 2022, 08:56:57 AM
Another past-his-primer crying about the PGA Tour and looking forward to joining hands with the Saudis ...

Mercurial PGA star Sergio Garcia hit a wayward tee shot on No. 10 at the Wells Fargo Championship on Thursday which ended up ruled as out of bounds, even though Garcia found the ball. A rules official declared Garcia had used up the time limit to find the ball, which prompted the Spaniard to go off: "I can't wait to leave this tour. Can't wait to get outta here. A couple more weeks, and I won't have to deal with you anymore," Garcia said, presumably to the rules official.

Don't let the lob wedge hit you on the way out.
The PGA came out after and apologized for making a mistake on the time limit.

https://www.pgatour.com/ground-rules/2022/05/05/sergio-garcia-ruling-wells-fargo-championship-tpc-potomac-at-avenel-farm.html

So by being a boorish jerk, Garcia let his own stupid comment supersede the basis of his gripe, where he was vindicated . Tak about snatching defeat from the Jaws of victory
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 09:01:42 AM
The PGA came out after and apologized for making a mistake on the time limit.

https://www.pgatour.com/ground-rules/2022/05/05/sergio-garcia-ruling-wells-fargo-championship-tpc-potomac-at-avenel-farm.html

So by being a boorish jerk, Garcia let his own stupid comment supersede the basis of his gripe, where he was vindicated . Tak about steeling defeat from the Jaws of victory (or wise)

That’s because he’s a pampered f$&/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on May 06, 2022, 10:10:42 AM
What may draw some eyeballs to LIV is the different formats. I believe the PGA has only 2 events that are not 72 hole stroke play. I’d like to see a little more creativity on their part for trying new formats such as larger team or something with the LPGA 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 06, 2022, 10:18:15 AM
Aside from the relatively small number of really avid golf fans, those who watch golf want to see 2 things:

++ Majors.

++ Tiger.

(Tiger contending at a major is the real gold.)

The Saudi tour could steal some eyeballs, sure, and maybe over time it will become something if they can lure enough big names -- as Rico says, they have money to burn -- but they won't have majors, and they won't have Tiger.

I think I'm a fairly typical casual golf fan. I watch the majors, and I'll watch some Ryder Cup. I'm not gonna be watching whatever PGA Tour event is taking place this weekend, and I'm sure as shyte not gonna be watching the old-timers playing for the Saudis.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on May 06, 2022, 10:18:56 AM
Possibly.  Again, unlike upstart leagues in other sports, the money here is endless.

Yea, among other reasons, the AAF, the XFL, etc... have failed due to money issues.  The Saudi tour will never have to worry about that.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 11:11:45 AM
Aside from the relatively small number of really avid golf fans, those who watch golf want to see 2 things:

++ Majors.

++ Tiger.

(Tiger contending at a major is the real gold.)

The Saudi tour could steal some eyeballs, sure, and maybe over time it will become something if they can lure enough big names -- as Rico says, they have money to burn -- but they won't have majors, and they won't have Tiger.

I think I'm a fairly typical casual golf fan. I watch the majors, and I'll watch some Ryder Cup. I'm not gonna be watching whatever PGA Tour event is taking place this weekend, and I'm sure as shyte not gonna be watching the old-timers playing for the Saudis.

Tiger is the golf needle.  It’s him and a gulf.  The next biggest “needle movers” are Bryson, Spieth and Rory.  Bryson for his absurdity, Spieth for his Seve-like play and Rory for being the closest thing to Cat of the last decade.  LIV needs at least two of those and Bryson is the only one who I could see make the move (I think he was going to but “saw” the backlash).  The problem with Bryson is, I doubt he has a long shelf life as a golfer

The sport is far too deep for another Cat IMO, so the worst thing it can do is split the talent beyond the current structure of tours.  I push back against the idea competetion is good for golf.  It wasn’t for boxing and it wasn’t for open-wheel racing in the US. People don’t have the time or patience to follow two leagues.  It won’t work for golf.  Golf as a viewing sport is as niche as it gets.  Casual viewers watch the Masters and Ryder Cup and Tiger. 

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 06, 2022, 11:19:38 AM
Tiger is the golf needle.  It’s him and a gulf.  The next biggest “needle movers” are Bryson, Spieth and Rory.  Bryson for his absurdity, Spieth for his Seve-like play and Rory for being the closest thing to Cat of the last decade.  LIV needs at least two of those and Bryson is the only one who I could see make the move (I think he was going to but “saw” the backlash).  The problem with Bryson is, I doubt he has a long shelf life as a golfer

The sport is far too deep for another Cat IMO, so the worst thing it can do is split the talent beyond the current structure of tours.  I push back against the idea competetion is good for golf.  It wasn’t for boxing and it wasn’t for open-wheel racing in the US. People don’t have the time or patience to follow two leagues.  It won’t work for golf.  Golf as a viewing sport is as niche as it gets.  Casual viewers watch the Masters and Ryder Cup and Tiger.

That's probably accurate but if Scheffy or Morikawa win a bunch of majors they may also move the needle.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on May 06, 2022, 11:46:41 AM
This is purely anecdotal as some of my most vivid golf viewing is going to my grandparents’ house on a weekend and they’d have golf on in the background. I guess I assume that to make up a large percentage of non-major golf viewing which unless there’s recognizable names and easy to get on TV, I don’t see LIV pulling that market.

I could be way off on the typical demographic though. And agree that the amount of money behind LIV allows them have a lot more time and resources to breakthrough.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 06, 2022, 12:46:45 PM
Fowler had an all time great bogie yesterday.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 06, 2022, 01:00:48 PM
Aside from the relatively small number of really avid golf fans, those who watch golf want to see 2 things:

++ Majors.

++ Tiger.

(Tiger contending at a major is the real gold.)


Agree completely.  The top ten players on the PGA tour could walk past me right now and I would maybe recognize one or two of them.  But I will watch the majors if nothing else is going on, simply for the drama that comes with it.  There is no way I am going to watch a run of the mill PGA tournament or LIV tournament. 

I think they have to do something to personalize the players and make it appeal to a younger audience.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on May 06, 2022, 01:18:43 PM
That's probably accurate but if Scheffy or Morikawa win a bunch of majors they may also move the needle.

Honestly, I don't think those guys or their games are all that interesting. So, they will need to win a lot. I know Scottie is on a heater right now, so I'm definitely interested in how long he can keep it going. Of the two though, I think Morikawa still has the most upside.

I agree with Rico. Splitting talent between two tours will not be good for professional golf. Beyond the whole sport-washing problem with LIV, another pro tour will simply water down the professional game. I have been happy to see the PGA Tour take this challenge seriously and try to head-it-off as much as possible.

Also, it would be wonderful if Rory started winning majors again. It's absolute shame he crapped it up the first two days at the Masters. His final round was a masterpiece, could have been truly epic had he been in contention.

 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 06, 2022, 01:26:31 PM
Tiger is the golf needle.  It’s him and a gulf.  The next biggest “needle movers” are Bryson, Spieth and Rory.  Bryson for his absurdity, Spieth for his Seve-like play and Rory for being the closest thing to Cat of the last decade.  LIV needs at least two of those and Bryson is the only one who I could see make the move (I think he was going to but “saw” the backlash).  The problem with Bryson is, I doubt he has a long shelf life as a golfer

The sport is far too deep for another Cat IMO, so the worst thing it can do is split the talent beyond the current structure of tours.  I push back against the idea competetion is good for golf.  It wasn’t for boxing and it wasn’t for open-wheel racing in the US. People don’t have the time or patience to follow two leagues.  It won’t work for golf.  Golf as a viewing sport is as niche as it gets.  Casual viewers watch the Masters and Ryder Cup and Tiger.

Agree with every word of that, especially the last 4 sentences.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 01:29:02 PM
That's probably accurate but if Scheffy or Morikawa win a bunch of majors they may also move the needle.

Maybe.  I have my doubts their personalities are that translatable to marketing but will admit I don’t know that yet.  They’ve been pretty bland so far and corporate
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on May 06, 2022, 01:32:06 PM
That's probably accurate but if Scheffy or Morikawa win a bunch of majors they may also move the needle.

Problem is they're boring. I'd add Koepka and DJ to that list too. They're incredible players, but they're so stoic, almost robotic, that it's not really destination TV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 06, 2022, 01:45:03 PM
First Rory and then Spieth had their chances to be at least Next Tiger Lite.

Neither really capitalized.

It's especially hard to believe that Rory hasn't won a major in 8 years. Hell, he's only won two tour events in the last 3 years, a stretch that also included a 1-3 Ryder Cup flame-out. Obviously, still a great golfer ... but to be guy who moves the needle, you have to win something.

Agree with those who mentioned DeChambeau -- he's so unique and polarizing that he's the only guy right now who really can bring in casual fans. But again, he's got to win. Otherwise he's just a muscular John Daley.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on May 06, 2022, 01:49:50 PM
Honestly, I don't think those guys or their games are all that interesting. So, they will need to win a lot. I know Scottie is on a heater right now, so I'm definitely interested in how long he can keep it going. Of the two though, I think Morikawa still has the most upside.

The interesting thing to me about Scheffler's potential is that he's been a monster at every level for a decade without ever being labeled the next big thing.  All pros dominate lower/junior levels to some extent, but he was almost laughably dominant.  Then he wont the US Junior Am.  Then was solid and consistent at UT.  Then won POY on the Korn Ferry.  Then PGA ROY and then has finished top 20 in every major since he joined the tour in 2020.  Thats pretty remarkable.

Maybe.  I have my doubts their personalities are that translatable to marketing but will admit I don’t know that yet.  They’ve been pretty bland so far and corporate

I don't know about Morikawa, but I wouldn't say Scheffler is corporate.  He's been pretty candid, open, and engaging in interviews Ive seen with him.  But he's not electric and super animated either on or off the course, which leaves him pretty flat to the casual viewer.  So thats probably an issue.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 01:52:05 PM
First Rory and then Spieth had their chances to be at least Next Tiger Lite.

Neither really capitalized.

It's especially hard to believe that Rory hasn't won a major in 8 years. Hell, he's only won two tour events in the last 3 years, a stretch that also included a 1-3 Ryder Cup flame-out. Obviously, still a great golfer ... but to be guy who moves the needle, you have to win something.

Agree with those who mentioned DeChambeau -- he's so unique and polarizing that he's the only guy right now who really can bring in casual fans. But again, he's got to win. Otherwise he's just a muscular John Daley.

Rory can probably get to that point again with another win in a major.  Augusta is unique in that it draws casuals regardless, but if Rory has a lead late there, it’ll be a big moment. 

Spieth juices things when he’s in contention.  My mom will watch when he’s contending, that’s how I judge guys.  When Scheffler was leading, I got the “do you like him, I never heard of him” text.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 01:54:41 PM
The interesting thing to me about Scheffler's potential is that he's been a monster at every level for a decade without ever being labeled the next big thing.  All pros dominate lower/junior levels to some extent, but he was almost laughably dominant.  Then he wont the US Junior Am.  Then was solid and consistent at UT.  Then won POY on the Korn Ferry.  Then PGA ROY and then has finished top 20 in every major since he joined the tour in 2020.  Thats pretty remarkable.

I don't know about Morikawa, but I wouldn't say Scheffler is corporate.  He's been pretty candid, open, and engaging in interviews Ive seen with him.  But he's not electric and super animated either on or off the course, which leaves him pretty flat to the casual viewer.  So thats probably an issue.

Corporate is a broad stroke observation about his appeal to the casual fan.  He does fascinate me as a hard core fan, though I admit I find the religion on the sleeve off-putting (That’s a me thing and don’t want him to stop being him to appease me).  As a golfer on the course, I love watching him but I had property on Scottie Island a long time ago
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on May 06, 2022, 02:49:02 PM
I think the lurking sense of jeopardy when Spieth or Rory are in the hunt is what makes them worth watching. It could be brilliance or a total shambles and that keeps the hooks in.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on May 06, 2022, 03:50:51 PM
Tiger is the golf needle.  It’s him and a gulf.  The next biggest “needle movers” are Bryson, Spieth and Rory.  Bryson for his absurdity, Spieth for his Seve-like play and Rory for being the closest thing to Cat of the last decade.  LIV needs at least two of those and Bryson is the only one who I could see make the move (I think he was going to but “saw” the backlash).  The problem with Bryson is, I doubt he has a long shelf life as a golfer

The sport is far too deep for another Cat IMO, so the worst thing it can do is split the talent beyond the current structure of tours.  I push back against the idea competetion is good for golf.  It wasn’t for boxing and it wasn’t for open-wheel racing in the US. People don’t have the time or patience to follow two leagues.  It won’t work for golf.  Golf as a viewing sport is as niche as it gets.Casual viewers watch the Masters and Ryder Cup and Tiger.
Golf has perfected an incredible niche . The golf demographic is one of the most sought after. That is why Golf is on broadcast TV 3 -4 hours a day on weekends for much of the year . Advertisers will pay up for that demo.

The PGA tour appears to be not making an it fuss about the rival league, which is a smart move. The new league will eventually merge with the Asian Tour and fade into obscurity .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 06, 2022, 04:01:51 PM
Or the European tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on May 06, 2022, 04:18:06 PM
I miss Rickie Fowler and Anthony Kim
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 06, 2022, 04:21:33 PM
Maybe.  I have my doubts their personalities are that translatable to marketing but will admit I don’t know that yet.  They’ve been pretty bland so far and corporate

I don't disagree with you but I think if one of them get to 5, or win all 4, they could possibly gain some traction on this front.  They're super young.....you just never know. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2022, 05:04:10 PM
I miss Rickie Fowler and Anthony Kim

How can you miss Dick Flower?  He’s on a commercial every ten minutes
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 06, 2022, 06:02:48 PM
Some day, the definitive history of Anthony Kim will be written.   I will want to read it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on May 06, 2022, 11:34:50 PM
I miss Rickie Fowler and Anthony Kim

Fowler is around.  You can see him contending on Fridays at majors and then becoming a ghost on the weekend.

Some day, the definitive history of Anthony Kim will be written.   I will want to read it.

Only if Kim himself is telling it.  But otherwise I totally agree, its beyond intriguing and puzzling.

As Ive mentioned, my BIL is a teaching pro at a major CC in the Dallas area.  Really plugged in with the golf community there.  1-1.5 degrees of separation from Spieth and his crew in the area.  Has taught/coached various Dallas based PGA pros from time to time.  Knew people that Kim regularly played with in the area 10-12 years ago.  From what he says, he vanished from not just the PGA world, but any "golf friend" world too.   Its absolutely fascinating.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 06, 2022, 11:51:00 PM
Fowler is around.  You can see him contending on Fridays at majors and then becoming a ghost on the weekend.


At the end of the year, Rickie will have only played in 3 of the last 8 majors.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 07, 2022, 03:05:48 PM
Jason Day playing like the rest of us.  I hope his back and vertigo are OK.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on May 07, 2022, 07:03:37 PM
At the end of the year, Rickie will have only played in 3 of the last 8 majors.
Rickie made the long recorded bogey ever on shotlink at the Wells Fargo event this weekend
https://mobile.twitter.com/GolfChannel/status/1522287885000486912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1522287885000486912%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfchannel.com%2Fnews%2Fwatch-rickie-fowler-records-shotlinks-longest-holed-bogey-unreal-shot
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2022, 07:17:18 PM
Rickie made the long recorded bogey ever on shotlink at the Wells Fargo event this weekend
https://mobile.twitter.com/GolfChannel/status/1522287885000486912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1522287885000486912%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.golfchannel.com%2Fnews%2Fwatch-rickie-fowler-records-shotlinks-longest-holed-bogey-unreal-shot

The Duke of Debt probably earned another commercial
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on May 11, 2022, 07:30:54 PM
"Everyone makes mistakes."  Greg Norman on the death of the Saudi journalist Khashoggi.  You can't make this stuff up.  What a fking asshead.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 11, 2022, 08:02:37 PM
"Everyone makes mistakes."  Greg Norman on the death of the Saudi journalist Khashoggi.  You can't make this stuff up.  What a fking asshead.

If anyone knows about making mistakes, it’s Greg Norman.  Especially on Sundays at majors
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 11, 2022, 09:44:14 PM
"Everyone makes mistakes."  Greg Norman on the death of the Saudi journalist Khashoggi.  You can't make this stuff up.  What a fking asshead.

Douchenozzle.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2022, 04:41:56 PM
Phony Phil is scared to play in the PGA Championship and deal with the press
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 13, 2022, 04:49:54 PM
The PGA's decision as well as Norman's stupidity has brought all Mickelson's words back to the fore.   There is no way he can show up without being inundated and becoming the circus.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2022, 07:54:16 AM
Anyone play Sage Run and Sweetgrass in the UP?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on May 15, 2022, 08:17:52 AM
Playing my first round since Feb today and have set low expectations for the round. I am extremely happy that the weather finally has improved enough to tee it up. Only negative, playing Brown Deer and it is going to be about 5-7 cooler than my side of town.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2022, 12:43:40 PM
Already in my mid season slump.    Being held together by the short game.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on May 16, 2022, 12:49:15 PM
tower

I was +1 after 6 and never made another bar the rest of the day. There is a lot of winter kill on the greens and they were in horrible shape. How did the courses in MI fare over the winter?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 16, 2022, 12:57:02 PM
tower

I was +1 after 6 and never made another bar the rest of the day. There is a lot of winter kill on the greens and they were in horrible shape. How did the courses in MI fare over the winter?

That is the worst..... when you never make another bar.    ;D

I am due east from Milwaukee.    I have played 20+ rounds so far on 10 different courses.    The lingering cold and wet in April certainly did not help anything.    The best answer I can give you is the condition of the courses I have played are consistent with the quality of the grounds crew.     Courses that are known for their good greens have their greens in almost summer shape.    A couple of bare spots, but decent.    The courses that are known to be sloppy are sloppy.     A nearby goat track had a couple of greens that were nearly unputtable.    Gentlemen's agreement that there would be no 3 putts on the bad ones.    Like, recently aerated bad. 
    Also, the condition of the fairways most places is consistent with the quality of drainage.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on May 16, 2022, 01:27:10 PM
tower


LOL. No pars and no bars after #6.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on May 16, 2022, 02:09:59 PM
That is the worst..... when you never make another bar.    ;D

I am due east from Milwaukee.    I have played 20+ rounds so far on 10 different courses.    The lingering cold and wet in April certainly did not help anything.    The best answer I can give you is the condition of the courses I have played are consistent with the quality of the grounds crew.     Courses that are known for their good greens have their greens in almost summer shape.    A couple of bare spots, but decent.    The courses that are known to be sloppy are sloppy.     A nearby goat track had a couple of greens that were nearly unputtable.    Gentlemen's agreement that there would be no 3 putts on the bad ones.    Like, recently aerated bad. 
    Also, the condition of the fairways most places is consistent with the quality of drainage.

I played HS golf as a freshman and sophomore.  Our "home courses" were nicely kept CCs, so we were usually ok in April and May.  But some of the other local schools' courses we played were absolute horror shows.  I remember a public course in Germantown that I played a match at in late April that had standing water...on the green...when it hadn't rained for a few days.  Another that I literally lost a pair of golf balls...in bunkers...cause the water within them were so deep it was like putting it in a pond.  I think that was the same one that had aeration pebbles everywhere so it was like putting on a gravel driveway.

Fun times.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 16, 2022, 02:31:26 PM
I played HS golf as a freshman and sophomore.  Our "home courses" were nicely kept CCs, so we were usually ok in April and May.  But some of the other local schools' courses we played were absolute horror shows.  I remember a public course in Germantown that I played a match at in late April that had standing water...on the green...when it hadn't rained for a few days.  Another that I literally lost a pair of golf balls...in bunkers...cause the water within them were so deep it was like putting it in a pond.  I think that was the same one that had aeration pebbles everywhere so it was like putting on a gravel driveway.

Fun times.

Blackstone Creek hasn’t changed 😂
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 16, 2022, 08:30:13 PM
Back in da day, any y'all ever play Congo River just off I-94 in Kenosha. Astroturf throughout da track wuz always konsystently good, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on May 16, 2022, 10:31:28 PM
That is the worst..... when you never make another bar.    ;D

I am due east from Milwaukee.    I have played 20+ rounds so far on 10 different courses.    The lingering cold and wet in April certainly did not help anything.    The best answer I can give you is the condition of the courses I have played are consistent with the quality of the grounds crew.     Courses that are known for their good greens have their greens in almost summer shape.    A couple of bare spots, but decent.    The courses that are known to be sloppy are sloppy.     A nearby goat track had a couple of greens that were nearly unputtable.    Gentlemen's agreement that there would be no 3 putts on the bad ones.    Like, recently aerated bad. 
    Also, the condition of the fairways most places is consistent with the quality of drainage.

Green condition is everything when it comes to rating a golf course. Well, at least 80%.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 17, 2022, 01:28:41 PM
Nicklaus says he was approached about taking a position along the lines of the one Norman accepted in October as CEO of LIV Golf Investments.

“I was offered something in excess of $100 million by the Saudis, to do the job probably similar to the one that Greg is doing,” Nicklaus, 82, said in remarks published Monday by the Fire Pit Collective. “I turned it down. Once verbally, once in writing. I said: ‘Guys, I have to stay with the PGA Tour. I helped start the PGA Tour.’ ”
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 18, 2022, 06:11:20 AM
That is the worst..... when you never make another bar.    ;D

I am due east from Milwaukee.    I have played 20+ rounds so far on 10 different courses.    The lingering cold and wet in April certainly did not help anything.    The best answer I can give you is the condition of the courses I have played are consistent with the quality of the grounds crew.     Courses that are known for their good greens have their greens in almost summer shape.    A couple of bare spots, but decent.    The courses that are known to be sloppy are sloppy.     A nearby goat track had a couple of greens that were nearly unputtable.    Gentlemen's agreement that there would be no 3 putts on the bad ones.    Like, recently aerated bad. 
    Also, the condition of the fairways most places is consistent with the quality of drainage.


  this is absolutely true!  our courses, since the beginning of may have been in great condition!  the greens are running anywhere between a 12-14 and true as could be.  hate to be a golf snob, but some of us need all the help we can get.  now if they would just allow me to carry a chainsaw in my bag and would happily count it against my allowance of 14
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on May 18, 2022, 07:29:48 AM

  this is absolutely true!  our courses, since the beginning of may have been in great condition!  the greens are running anywhere between a 12-14 and true as could be.  hate to be a golf snob, but some of us need all the help we can get.  now if they would just allow me to carry a chainsaw in my bag and would happily count it against my allowance of 14

This is why we have the dentist crime thread.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 18, 2022, 06:13:32 PM
This is why we have the dentist crime thread.

  if this was meant to be funny, umm, hahah i guess.  otherwise, wtf is the matter with you guys?  is your purpose to drive everyone you don't like off of scoop so you can truly make it a big circle jerk?  this is almost as bad as putting up with politics and not being able to respond because, well, it's a no politics zone
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 18, 2022, 06:26:40 PM
  if this was meant to be funny, umm, hahah i guess.  otherwise, wtf is the matter with you guys?  is your purpose to drive everyone you don't like off of scoop so you can truly make it a big circle jerk?  this is almost as bad as putting up with politics and not being able to respond because, well, it's a no politics zone

5 of 10

Circle jerk was a nice addition.  We just want to keep the world a safe place like we want to keep campus a safe place.  There is room for both.  A safe campus and a safe world from criminal dentists.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 18, 2022, 07:45:04 PM
That chainsaw, does it have an adjustable hosel and a wrench?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 18, 2022, 10:32:32 PM
Who could ever forget the cult classic Dental Chainsaw Massacre?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 18, 2022, 11:00:59 PM
A safe campus and a safe world from criminal dentists.

Which one has less guns?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2022, 06:06:13 AM
That chainsaw, does it have an adjustable hosel and a wrench?

not sure if that would violate any of the usga rules of golf, but i'll put it in my inquiry
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 19, 2022, 06:11:05 AM
I assume it is a Cobra.  You wouldn't ness around with a Callaway or Ping chainsaw.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2022, 06:13:32 AM
I assume it is a Cobra.  You wouldn't ness around with a Callaway or Ping chainsaw.

good call tower, i am a cobra guy.  driver and irons all cobras, hybrid is the rogue, wedge is of course a cleveland, putter is the stroke lab
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 19, 2022, 10:08:51 AM
Did you get custom fitted for the chainsaw or did you buy it off the rack?    Loft?    Flex?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on May 19, 2022, 12:42:19 PM
Did you get custom fitted for the chainsaw or did you buy it off the rack?    Loft?    Flex?

  club champion

speaking of chain saws, my son who works for milwaukee tool got me a battery powered little chain saw for trimming small stuff.  the thing is a little bad ass saw.  actually they call it a hatchet.  ideal for the golf bag

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 19, 2022, 01:34:14 PM
Club champion is really branching out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 21, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
This is where Treetops is located.    Kind of a hub of Northern Michigan golfing.     

https://www.mlive.com/news/2022/05/see-photos-of-gaylord-tornados-devastating-aftermath.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 27, 2022, 06:10:59 AM
Sports Illustrated piece: What is Tiger trying to prove?

https://www.si.com/golf/news/should-tiger-woods-keep-playing-majors-if-this-is-how-it-will-be?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2022-05-27

Woods has talked about not wanting to be a ceremonial golfer, but how would you characterize his seven rounds during the Masters and PGA Championship?

Was Woods competitive? Did he have a chance to win either event? The answer is no.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2022, 06:14:21 AM
Sports Illustrated piece: What is Tiger trying to prove?

https://www.si.com/golf/news/should-tiger-woods-keep-playing-majors-if-this-is-how-it-will-be?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2022-05-27

Woods has talked about not wanting to be a ceremonial golfer, but how would you characterize his seven rounds during the Masters and PGA Championship?

Was Woods competitive? Did he have a chance to win either event? The answer is no.


He can play as much as he wants
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 27, 2022, 06:37:25 AM
He has earned the right to play whenever he wants.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 27, 2022, 06:42:19 AM
Sports Illustrated piece: What is Tiger trying to prove?

https://www.si.com/golf/news/should-tiger-woods-keep-playing-majors-if-this-is-how-it-will-be?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=morning-read-newsletter-&date=2022-05-27

Woods has talked about not wanting to be a ceremonial golfer, but how would you characterize his seven rounds during the Masters and PGA Championship?

Was Woods competitive? Did he have a chance to win either event? The answer is no.


Tiger is an alpha predator. He has a better chance of winning than the majority of the field.

Zach Johnson, Charley Hoffman, Rickie, these guys have no chance of winning yet they are out their playing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2022, 06:46:34 AM
Tiger is an alpha predator. He has a better chance of winning than the majority of the field.

Zach Johnson, Charley Hoffman, Rickie, these guys have no chance of winning yet they are out their playing.

Flower, The Duke of Debt, isn’t eligible for the Open or US Open, thank god
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 27, 2022, 06:51:40 AM
Flower, The Duke of Debt, isn’t eligible for the Open or US Open, thank god

He’ll be basking in that sweet, sweet LIV money anyway.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2022, 07:01:45 AM
He’ll be basking in that sweet, sweet LIV money anyway.

Brian Harman is an American hero for making Flower cry
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 27, 2022, 07:03:30 AM
Cobra has to be crapping themselves.  Bryson out injured, Ricky crap, roqqet admitting he uses their equipment.


In fairness, I am so ugly that several clothing companies pay me to not wear their stuff.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 27, 2022, 07:25:53 AM
Cobra has to be crapping themselves.  Bryson out injured, Ricky crap, roqqet admitting he uses their equipment.


In fairness, I am so ugly that several clothing companies pay me to not wear their stuff.

Hey, Cobra’s got Greg Norman. One of the game’s greats. He certainly can’t hurt them.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on May 27, 2022, 10:03:13 AM
Tiger is an alpha predator. He has a better chance of winning than the majority of the field.

Zach Johnson, Charley Hoffman, Rickie, these guys have no chance of winning yet they are out their playing.

This is simply not true except at Augusta, which is well known for having the most bull$hit field in all of golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 27, 2022, 11:01:21 AM
This is simply not true except at Augusta, which is well known for having the most bull$hit field in all of golf.

No it's not. 156 man PGA Tour Field, he's still one of the better 78 golfers, not the worse 78 golfers.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on May 27, 2022, 12:07:30 PM
No it's not. 156 man PGA Tour Field, he's still one of the better 78 golfers, not the worse 78 golfers.

No he's not.  In the last 2 years...

-he missed the US Open cut. 
-Finished 72nd (out of 78) at the Zozo in Japan, 22 shots back from the leader.
-Shot 1 good, not great, round at the 2021 Masters before finishing 19 back from the leader.

then the accident

-narrowly made the cut at Augusta...finished 22 shots back from Scheffler.
-snuck inside the cut at the PGA and then imploded.

You mention Charley Hoffman and Zach Johnson...neither of whom are within the top 150 or 175 of any ranking.   And wouldn't be among the top half of any PGA tour field.

In the current mid 70s range of golfers on the PGA tour based on both FedEx rankings and money...Tony Finau, Daniel Berger, Matthew Wolff...then guys like Joel Dahmen or Sahith Theegala who aren't household names but have won PGA tournaments or racked up top 10s in the last year and change.  All playing better golf than Tiger.

Save me the "alpha predator" nonsense.  Thats as silly as players quaking cause Tiger is around.  Its not 2010, hell its not 2019.  He's an old (for a golfer) dude with a broken body.  He's capable of great shots and good rounds, of course.  But he's not one of the top 75 golfers in the world when it comes to putting together a full tournament routinely.  He's just not.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
No he's not.  In the last 2 years...

-he missed the US Open cut. 
-Finished 72nd (out of 78) at the Zozo in Japan, 22 shots back from the leader.
-Shot 1 good, not great, round at the 2021 Masters before finishing 19 back from the leader.

then the accident

-narrowly made the cut at Augusta...finished 22 shots back from Scheffler.
-snuck inside the cut at the PGA and then imploded.

You mention Charley Hoffman and Zach Johnson...neither of whom are within the top 150 or 175 of any ranking.   And wouldn't be among the top half of any PGA tour field.

In the current mid 70s range of golfers on the PGA tour based on both FedEx rankings and money...Tony Finau, Daniel Berger, Matthew Wolff...then guys like Joel Dahmen or Sahith Theegala who aren't household names but have won PGA tournaments or racked up top 10s in the last year and change.  All playing better golf than Tiger.

Save me the "alpha predator" nonsense.  Thats as silly as players quaking cause Tiger is around.  Its not 2010, hell its not 2019.  He's an old (for a golfer) dude with a broken body.  He's capable of great shots and good rounds, of course.  But he's not one of the top 75 golfers in the world when it comes to putting together a full tournament routinely.  He's just not.

He isn’t.  But I’m more captivated watching him than watching Richard Flower peacock around the course
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 27, 2022, 01:42:09 PM
He isn’t.  But I’m more captivated watching him than watching Richard Flower peacock around the course

Great hat from Flower today
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on May 27, 2022, 02:09:26 PM
Great hat from Flower today

Fits with that stringy hair/deviant mustache look he has going
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on May 27, 2022, 02:16:26 PM
Watching the Senior PGA.   Cool course, great backstory.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on May 30, 2022, 07:21:06 AM
Fits with that stringy hair/deviant mustache look he has going

Cam Smith wore it better.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on May 31, 2022, 09:40:21 PM
Some big names sign up for Greg Norman’s first thing event

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34016951/dustin-johnson-headlines-field-first-liv-golf-invitational-series-event-phil-mickelson-not-currently-entrants
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on May 31, 2022, 10:24:28 PM
Some big names sign up for Greg Norman’s first thing event

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34016951/dustin-johnson-headlines-field-first-liv-golf-invitational-series-event-phil-mickelson-not-currently-entrants

The field is meh. Dustin Johnson is the headliner, meaning he lied when he said this a few months ago:

"I feel it is now time to put such speculation to rest. I am fully committed to the PGA Tour. I am grateful for the opportunity to play on the best tour in the world and for all it has provided me and my family."
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 01, 2022, 03:36:32 AM
Musta felt disrespected on da Tour, aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 01, 2022, 05:50:11 AM
must be a little greener in their pastures
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 01, 2022, 06:41:31 AM
Shocked they pulled DJ, but the field still sucks.

Word is an amateur for $6m to come play and $250k an event. Field will continue to get better and better.

The real losers? Golf fans.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 01, 2022, 01:43:50 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3419752/dustin-johnsons-reported-payday-for-joining-liv-golf-a-cool-dollar150-million

Ridiculous money.....Take money and give up a legacy on PGA Tour?

If Johnson stays on this tour he should be a top 10 or a winner in almost every tournament up against the other mediocre players who have signed on. 

Does he stay with LIV or go back to PGA Tour?  PGA Tour Commish Monahan about to go nuclear/DEFCON one with anyone signing with LIV. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 01, 2022, 01:54:37 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3419752/dustin-johnsons-reported-payday-for-joining-liv-golf-a-cool-dollar150-million

Ridiculous money.....Take money and give up a legacy on PGA Tour?

If Johnson stays on this tour he should be a top 10 or a winner in almost every tournament up against the other mediocre players who have signed on. 

Does he stay with LIV or go back to PGA Tour?  PGA Tour Commish Monahan about to go nuclear/DEFCON one with anyone signing with LIV.

DJ never struck me as a guy too concerned about his legacy. He seems like he’d be fine going wherever he gets paid the most.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 01, 2022, 02:34:26 PM
DJ never struck me as a guy too concerned about his legacy. He seems like he’d be fine going wherever he gets paid the most.

Not to mention his legacy is pretty strong.  A Masters and a US Open.  5th longest ever at #1.  2 time POY, bunch of WGC wins.  He's never catching Tiger or Jack, so the career major Grand Slam is all that he'd really be missing out on.  Thats a huge payday to forgo that.

Has the R&A spoken on the LIV yet?  Could he still play The Open Championship?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 01, 2022, 03:16:55 PM
Not counting his family and friends, there aren't a dozen people who watch PGA Tour events because of Dustin Johnson.

I hope he enjoys the dough.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 01, 2022, 03:33:55 PM
Not counting his family and friends, there aren't a dozen people who watch PGA Tour events because of Dustin Johnson.

I hope he enjoys the dough.

Thats a patently ridiculous statement.  Nobody tunes in to watch the most consistently great player of the last decade who hits absolute bombs off the tee and is married to the attention grabbing daughter of a legendary athlete.  Maybe if you said that about Louis Oosthuizen or Schwartzel.  I have 2 friends alone that are casual to moderate golf fans, former Tiger fanatics, who switched allegiance to DJ and closely follow him in every decent sized tourney.

Unless its some silly "people only follow golf because of him" hypothetical.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 01, 2022, 06:09:39 PM
McIlroy said it best with a reaction of indifference. It's not a great field and outside of one or two names it makes total sense for guys whose prime is gone to do something other than rack up a crap ton of losses in their 40s. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 01, 2022, 07:58:40 PM
how can the pga tour command such a "monopolistic" attitude?  i may be answering my own question here, but it must have something to do with what they sign on to, but still...monahan is speaking like he's afraid the liv thing may have them by the short ones.

   i realize the pga players need to play so many events to stay qualified, but what happens to the exemptions they've earned?  what about the ryder cup? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 01, 2022, 08:07:23 PM
how can the pga tour command such a "monopolistic" attitude?  i may be answering my own question here, but it must have something to do with what they sign on to, but still...monahan is speaking like he's afraid the liv thing may have them by the short ones.

If it's true DJ is getting $150 m for playing the LIV there has to be some concern from the PGA. 

   i realize the pga players need to play so many events to stay qualified, but what happens to the exemptions they've earned?  what about the ryder cup?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 01, 2022, 08:13:43 PM


  if dj is getting $150 m, golf events shortened to 3 days, umm, he's not going to go hungry
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 01, 2022, 08:28:43 PM
  if dj is getting $150 m, golf events shortened to 3 days, umm, he's not going to go hungry

True.  But I think this whole thing is ignominious and embarrassing.  I'm not saying the PGA hasn't made mistakes or are as pure as snow, but Norman's comments in particular infuriated me.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 01, 2022, 10:03:40 PM
Thats a patently ridiculous statement.  Nobody tunes in to watch the most consistently great player of the last decade who hits absolute bombs off the tee and is married to the attention grabbing daughter of a legendary athlete.  Maybe if you said that about Louis Oosthuizen or Schwartzel.  I have 2 friends alone that are casual to moderate golf fans, former Tiger fanatics, who switched allegiance to DJ and closely follow him in every decent sized tourney.

Unless its some silly "people only follow golf because of him" hypothetical.

OK, Wags. I still don't believe the masses are gathering in front of their TVs on a non-major golf weekend to watch Dustin Johnson, but maybe I'm missing something. Have a good one.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 01, 2022, 11:30:17 PM
OK, Wags. I still don't believe the masses are gathering in front of their TVs on a non-major golf weekend to watch Dustin Johnson, but maybe I'm missing something. Have a good one.

But thats not what you said.  You went from "nobody cares about Dustin Johnson" to "Dustin Johnson isn't bringing huge ratings to The John Deere Invitational".

I feel like its just a faulty comparison to Tiger that bred a bunch of Tiger fans who weren't otherwise golf fans.  And as a golf obsessed teen during Tiger's peak, I think people misremember the Tiger fervor for a random mid summer tourney.  The majors and the lead up?  1000%.  But I remember sitting in clubhouses where tournies would be on and it was just background noise, maybe the occasional "how is Tiger doing?", but quite less engaged than a local MLB team's random series, for example.

Golf, and the PGA Tour, still have a very healthy following and DJ has been a big driver of that for years.  There is a reason he gets $10-15MM in endorsements.  He isn't Luke Donald or Billy Horschel.  He's a name and he's a draw, which is why LIV pushed hard for him.

You think he's a liar and the LIV tour is distasteful, which is fine, no need to add a hot take to it.

how can the pga tour command such a "monopolistic" attitude?  i may be answering my own question here, but it must have something to do with what they sign on to, but still...monahan is speaking like he's afraid the liv thing may have them by the short ones.

   i realize the pga players need to play so many events to stay qualified, but what happens to the exemptions they've earned?  what about the ryder cup? 

The peripheral stuff will be what is interesting.  The Open Championship, the Ryder Cup, hell the US Open/USGA has always had its rivalry with the PGA of America, where does that all shake out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: panda on June 02, 2022, 07:56:55 AM
But thats not what you said.  You went from "nobody cares about Dustin Johnson" to "Dustin Johnson isn't bringing huge ratings to The John Deere Invitational".

I feel like its just a faulty comparison to Tiger that bred a bunch of Tiger fans who weren't otherwise golf fans.  And as a golf obsessed teen during Tiger's peak, I think people misremember the Tiger fervor for a random mid summer tourney.  The majors and the lead up?  1000%.  But I remember sitting in clubhouses where tournies would be on and it was just background noise, maybe the occasional "how is Tiger doing?", but quite less engaged than a local MLB team's random series, for example.

Golf, and the PGA Tour, still have a very healthy following and DJ has been a big driver of that for years.  There is a reason he gets $10-15MM in endorsements.  He isn't Luke Donald or Billy Horschel.  He's a name and he's a draw, which is why LIV pushed hard for him.

You think he's a liar and the LIV tour is distasteful, which is fine, no need to add a hot take to it.

The peripheral stuff will be what is interesting.  The Open Championship, the Ryder Cup, hell the US Open/USGA has always had its rivalry with the PGA of America, where does that all shake out.

DJ is a star. Not the biggest star, but a highly marketable name - It's like saying people don't tune into the NBA playoffs to enjoy Jayson Tatum.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2022, 09:27:29 AM
But thats not what you said.  You went from "nobody cares about Dustin Johnson" to "Dustin Johnson isn't bringing huge ratings to The John Deere Invitational".

OK, that's what I'm saying now. You never clarify or amend something you've previously said? I obviously was using hyperbole in my "dozen" comment, which you obviously knew. Jeesh, officer.

I believe that few casual golf fans are tuning into any non-major PGA event because Dustin Johnson happens to be playing in it. That's my take, and I don't think it's a very hot one.

In addition to Tiger, DJ ranks WAAAY behind the likes of Rory McIlroy and Jordan Spieth, not to mention Bryson DeChambeau on the radar of most casual golf fans.

And yes, he's a liar.

I'll be among those rooting against him -- and I'm sure that'll bother him a lot while he counts his blood money. (McIlroy's term, not mine, though I approve of it.)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 02, 2022, 09:27:51 AM
OK, Wags. I still don't believe the masses are gathering in front of their TVs on a non-major golf weekend to watch Dustin Johnson, but maybe I'm missing something. Have a good one.

I'm with you. Johnson is a wet drip personality whose most interesting exploits are off the course.

The story here is will $125 be enough to swallow going from an independent contractor with complete freedom to just another ho-hum indentured employee in the House of Saud? Johnson lacks the fiber that makes this compromise seem ideal.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 02, 2022, 09:40:42 AM
I'm with you. Johnson is a wet drip personality whose most interesting exploits are off the course.

The story here is will $125 be enough to swallow going from an independent contractor with complete freedom to just another ho-hum indentured employee in the House of Saud? Johnson lacks the fiber that makes this compromise seem ideal.

You know who else is a wet drip personality?  Tiger Woods
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 02, 2022, 10:09:56 AM
You know who else is a wet drip personality?  Tiger Woods
True, except for when he's at Perkin's.  8-)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 02, 2022, 04:52:48 PM
You know who else is a wet drip personality?  Tiger Woods

No. There's a difference between a wet drip personality and a mother unnatural carnal knowledgeing assassin.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 02, 2022, 04:58:30 PM
Just got done with 90 holes in 3 days.   Beautiful Northern Michigan.   I highly recommend it.    This was a lesser known resort, but the accomodations were pleasant and the staff was aggressively friendly.    Great views.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2022, 05:06:17 PM
No. There's a difference between a wet drip personality and a mother unnatural carnal knowledgeing assassin.

People who weren’t golf fans tuned into to see Tiger.  People who hated Tiger tuned in to watch Tiger.  That’s what made Tiger the force he was as well as being so damn good.

LIV Golf doesn’t have that guy.  Greg Norman has wanted to ruin the PGA Tour since his world golf tour idea in the mid-90’s was co-opted by the tour.  If LIV golf succeeds, it’ll destroy the professional game like the IRL/Cart split destroyed open wheel in this country.  The majors don’t know it yet, but Norman would be happy watching them twist in the wind, too.  My hope is, he’s too incompetent to pull this off and he might be but the amount of money is too much methinks.  People can argue competetion is good for the sport but a lot of people are about to be scrambling to save tournaments and jobs
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2022, 06:24:54 PM
Just got done with 90 holes in 3 days.   Beautiful Northern Michigan.   I highly recommend it.    This was a lesser known resort, but the accomodations were pleasant and the staff was aggressively friendly.    Great views.

What was the name of the resort, tower? I'm looking for a buddy golf trip in Michigan, if not this year, next.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 02, 2022, 06:30:16 PM
People who weren’t golf fans tuned into to see Tiger.  People who hated Tiger tuned in to watch Tiger.  That’s what made Tiger the force he was as well as being so damn good.

LIV Golf doesn’t have that guy.  Greg Norman has wanted to ruin the PGA Tour since his world golf tour idea in the mid-90’s was co-opted by the tour.  If LIV golf succeeds, it’ll destroy the professional game like the IRL/Cart split destroyed open wheel in this country.  The majors don’t know it yet, but Norman would be happy watching them twist in the wind, too.  My hope is, he’s too incompetent to pull this off and he might be but the amount of money is too much methinks.  People can argue competetion is good for the sport but a lot of people are about to be scrambling to save tournaments and jobs
Do we know if LIV has any broadcast deals?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 02, 2022, 06:31:33 PM
A-Ga Ming.   On the isthmus between Lake Michigan and Torch Lake, between Elk Rapids and Charlevoix.    I will give the caveat that it isn't life changing golf courses.    Generic Northern Michigan golf.  We did not play Charlevoix country club, which is beautiful, but 25 miles north of the lodging.   Sundance is hilly inland links.  Antrim Dells had gone to seed and is being slowly brought back.  Torch is hilly, tight, with great views.
   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2022, 06:45:50 PM
Do we know if LIV has any broadcast deals?

I think YouTube is carrying it
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2022, 06:48:16 PM
A-Ga Ming.   On the isthmus between Lake Michigan and Torch Lake, between Elk Rapids and Charlevoix.    I will give the caveat that it isn't life changing golf courses.    Generic Northern Michigan golf.  We did not play Charlevoix country club, which is beautiful, but 25 miles north of the lodging.   Sundance is hilly inland links.  Antrim Dells had gone to seed and is being slowly brought back.  Torch is hilly, tight, with great views.
   

Thanks. Might be a little too north for a group driving from Chicago, but I'll look into it. We played Tullymore and St. Ives a year or so before my wife and I moved to Charlotte and really liked it.

We're a bunch of hacks ... but we're fun hacks!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 02, 2022, 07:15:11 PM
A-Ga Ming.   On the isthmus between Lake Michigan and Torch Lake, between Elk Rapids and Charlevoix.    I will give the caveat that it isn't life changing golf courses.    Generic Northern Michigan golf.  We did not play Charlevoix country club, which is beautiful, but 25 miles north of the lodging.   Sundance is hilly inland links.  Antrim Dells had gone to seed and is being slowly brought back.  Torch is hilly, tight, with great views.
   
I have played A-Ga Ming many times. Great views and a very enjoyable  with nice staff. Beautiful area that the course is situated in. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 02, 2022, 07:28:26 PM
Yes.  Magnificent views of Torch lake and Lake Michigan/Grand Traverse bay.

MU82, a Michigan resort that is a shorter drive from Chicago with multiple courses is Gull Lake View.  I highly recommend Stoatin Brae.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 02, 2022, 10:36:28 PM
Yes.  Magnificent views of Torch lake and Lake Michigan/Grand Traverse bay.

MU82, a Michigan resort that is a shorter drive from Chicago with multiple courses is Gull Lake View.  I highly recommend Stoatin Brae.   

Thanks!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 03, 2022, 05:56:11 AM
OK, Wags. I still don't believe the masses are gathering in front of their TVs on a non-major golf weekend to watch Dustin Johnson, but maybe I'm missing something. Have a good one.



Eye watch ta cee watt Paulina has orr duzant have on, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2022, 06:38:31 AM
Will be interesting to see if the Tour decides to release DJ’s disciplinary report if lawsuits fly. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 03, 2022, 08:33:07 AM
2021 Masters champion Hideki Matsuyama was disqualified from the Memorial on Thursday after officials deemed his 3-wood illegal because it had small paint strips on the face to help with alignment. Had he used permanent marker, it would have been OK. The PGA tour official who made the ruling said afterward that an unnamed source sent his staff a photo of the markings. Snitch!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 03, 2022, 11:34:27 AM
2021 Masters champion Hideki Matsuyama was disqualified from the Memorial on Thursday after officials deemed his 3-wood illegal because it had small paint strips on the face to help with alignment. Had he used permanent marker, it would have been OK. The PGA tour official who made the ruling said afterward that an unnamed source sent his staff a photo of the markings. Snitch!

The PGA allowing TV viewers to call in infractions and/or rules violations is one of the stupidest things they've ever done.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2022, 11:39:41 AM
The PGA allowing TV viewers to call in infractions and/or rules violations is one of the stupidest things they've ever done.

It wasn’t a call-in.  It was actually posted on Twitter and someone on the course alerted the tour
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 03, 2022, 12:27:41 PM
It wasn’t a call-in.  It was actually posted on Twitter and someone on the course alerted the tour

(https://c.tenor.com/eKA7hP7Q_tYAAAAd/i-said-what-i-said-nene-leakes.gif)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 03, 2022, 04:41:09 PM


Eye watch ta cee watt Paulina has orr duzant have on, hey?

  maybe the LIV tour is on to something.  the way to a golf dudes heart is thru his eye's eyn'a?  next call, yo brooksie, what you and the new bride doing after the wedding hey
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 03, 2022, 04:46:06 PM
Considering Koepka only gets motivated for majors. and LIV golf doesn't have majors...

But it is an ever changing world in which we live, so who knows?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 03, 2022, 08:35:26 PM
Good luck to Danielle Kang.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2022, 08:43:43 PM
Good luck to Danielle Kang.   

Didn’t know about this until you posted.  Terrible news. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 03, 2022, 08:51:47 PM
The first year the LPGA held an event here, my schedule worked out and I was able to be a marshal at the tournament.   Ms. Kang walked off the green and loosed an impressive string of obscenities lamenting her poor putting.   I have been a fan ever since.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 03, 2022, 09:27:42 PM
Good luck to Danielle Kang.   
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/uswomensopen2022-danielle-kang-reveals-she-has-spinal-tumor
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 04, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
The first year the LPGA held an event here, my schedule worked out and I was able to be a marshal at the tournament.   Ms. Kang walked off the green and loosed an impressive string of obscenities lamenting her poor putting.   I have been a fan ever since.

A friend of mine knew her at Pepperdine.  Saw her at a tourney a few years ago after 18 and said something like "Nice round Danielle!".  She sort of looks up and goes "nah, I played like a f-ing joke.  What the f*** was I doing"...then goes "But thanks Grant, really great to see you!" and they talked for a minute.  She's great.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 04, 2022, 02:37:31 PM
Kevin Ma resigns from PGA Tour to play LIV. He must have got some meaningful coin to take that kind of drastic action. Says he is doing it to avoid litigation .

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/na-pga-tour-liv-golf-2022
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 04, 2022, 03:42:52 PM
Are we allowed to say that there aren't a dozen people who tune in to see Kevin Ma?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 04, 2022, 03:54:34 PM
Considering Koepka only gets motivated for majors. and LIV golf doesn't have majors...

But it is an ever changing world in which we live, so who knows?
The money is better than the Majors. So...
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 04, 2022, 05:51:46 PM
2021 Masters champion Hideki Matsuyama was disqualified from the Memorial on Thursday after officials deemed his 3-wood illegal because it had small paint strips on the face to help with alignment. Had he used permanent marker, it would have been OK. The PGA tour official who made the ruling said afterward that an unnamed source sent his staff a photo of the markings. Snitch!

I suspect one of Justice Kegan’s clerks.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 04, 2022, 06:09:25 PM
Kevin Ma resigns from PGA Tour to play LIV. He must have got some meaningful coin to take that kind of drastic action. Says he is doing it to avoid litigation .

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/na-pga-tour-liv-golf-2022

So we know Kevin Na’s character is trash
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 05, 2022, 12:21:50 AM
So we know Kevin Na’s character is trash

We have known that since 2017 US Open practice rounds.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 05, 2022, 11:40:15 AM
Biggest loss in golf world to the Bonesaw Tour will be Jerry Foltz.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 05, 2022, 03:47:41 PM
So we know Kevin Na’s character is trash

I was just thinking how nobody is gonna miss his absurdly slow playing stubborn ass.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 05, 2022, 03:55:47 PM
I was just thinking how nobody is gonna miss his absurdly slow playing stubborn ass.

I think he’s deluded himself into thinking he’s a star
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 06, 2022, 04:42:30 PM
Phil makes it official.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2022, 04:43:00 PM
Phil makes it official.

His statement was a nice apology again to the Saudi’s.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 06, 2022, 06:09:13 PM
Just gone playing Pinehurst 2,4 and 6.

2 is an absolute brute . 4 is formidable in its own right. Funny thing is even though I absolute got a heinie whoopin on 2 and 4 , I played the same ball each day. The Donald Ross turtle back greens are humbling on 2 and on 4 the bunkers are super deep.

 6 is a pretty course with lots of woods , OB and water where you can lose balls. I lost 8 balls . We have a Ryder cup style tournament on that course and it’s a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 06, 2022, 06:36:16 PM
So I see that Ytube and Facebook will be covering the LIV tournament?  What are the chances this whole thing winds up being a complete dumpster fire in your opinion?  Couldn't the PGA ban players who even play once for the LIV permanently from future events? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2022, 06:41:43 PM
So I see that Ytube and Facebook will be covering the LIV tournament?  What are the chances this whole thing winds up being a complete dumpster fire in your opinion?  Couldn't the PGA ban players who even play once for the LIV permanently from future events?

Yes, they will suspend them or ban them
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 06, 2022, 07:06:36 PM
Yes, they will suspend them or ban them

Permanently Uncle R?   Cool.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2022, 07:10:24 PM
Permanently Uncle R?   Cool.

Possibly.  It’s pretty fluid.  Five of the guys that left have resigned from the PGA Tour, so in theory, they could try to qualify again but I doubt they’d want to
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 06, 2022, 07:39:18 PM
Possibly.  It’s pretty fluid.  Five of the guys that left have resigned from the PGA Tour, so in theory, they could try to qualify again but I doubt they’d want to

Apparently the Shark attacked the Bear.   I thought Jack actually helped Norman win a major.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2022, 07:43:05 PM
Apparently the Shark attacked the Bear.   I thought Jack actually helped Norman win a major.

Jack is hardly an innocent bystander.  He’d be all in if not for people stepping in and stopping him at his company.  Still, Norman would be better suited keeping his mouth shut now because every time he opens it, he sounds like an idiot
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 06, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
Jack is hardly an innocent bystander.  He’d be all in if not for people stepping in and stopping him at his company.  Still, Norman would be better suited keeping his mouth shut now because every time he opens it, he sounds like an idiot

Fair enough. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 06, 2022, 07:56:25 PM
Leave Jack alone. He's almost old enough to be President of the United States.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 06, 2022, 08:12:18 PM
That '96 Masters is really something.  Even among all-time meltdowns I'm not sure there's a parallel. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 06, 2022, 09:56:11 PM
That '96 Masters is really something.  Even among all-time meltdowns I'm not sure there's a parallel.

Not only did that choking dirtbag lose, he managed to lose by 5 strokes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 06, 2022, 10:01:54 PM
I think the LIV is gonna be like WCW of the late 90s.

The new hot thing for a couple of years, and everyone comes crawling back home when it flames out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 07, 2022, 08:12:16 AM
I think the LIV is gonna be like WCW of the late 90s.

The new hot thing for a couple of years, and everyone comes crawling back home when it flames out.
Could be. Or maybe the iPhone thing of the early 2000's taking on Blackberry and its 90% market share.  :D
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 07, 2022, 08:28:32 AM
LIV is out-capitalism-ing the PGA Tour.

What at first seemed insignificant might now looks like it could become much, much more. It's a ton of money, life-changing to younger players who wouldn't have to worry about making cuts. Ridiculous money for the likes of Mickelson, who apparently is knee-deep to gamblers.

If LIV golfers aren't barred from playing in the majors, and if the LIV has any sticking power at all, how many will stay with the Tour? Even if they are barred from playing in the majors?

How do the handful of guys who have already expressed outrage at Saudi atrocities spin it if they decide to change their minds?

This is getting interesting.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 07, 2022, 09:09:17 AM
Could be. Or maybe the iPhone thing of the early 2000's taking on Blackberry and its 90% market share.  :D

Technology is different than entertainment though.

Apple and Jobs were insane marketers and could back it up with improving technology at the time.

Think about how many off-brand football leagues have come and gone, if the product isn’t good, it’s not gonna last.

And there are wayyyy more eyes on football than golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 07, 2022, 09:17:29 AM
Technology is different than entertainment though.

Apple and Jobs were insane marketers and could back it up with improving technology at the time.

Think about how many off-brand football leagues have come and gone, if the product isn’t good, it’s not gonna last.

And there are wayyyy more eyes on football than golf.
I know the comparison wasn't apples to apples (no pun indented). And if I had to bet on it, I'd put money on the PGA.

Maybe the PGA will will learn some lessons and make improvements. Not saying the PGA is awful but they have not been the best run organization probably due to lack of competition.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 09:27:30 AM
LIV is out-capitalism-ing the PGA Tour.

What at first seemed insignificant might now looks like it could become much, much more. It's a ton of money, life-changing to younger players who wouldn't have to worry about making cuts. Ridiculous money for the likes of Mickelson, who apparently is knee-deep to gamblers.

If LIV golfers aren't barred from playing in the majors, and if the LIV has any sticking power at all, how many will stay with the Tour? Even if they are barred from playing in the majors?

How do the handful of guys who have already expressed outrage at Saudi atrocities spin it if they decide to change their minds?

This is getting interesting.

Yes.  Basically the PGA's chip is the Majors.  My take is they can't be suspended from the PGA tour, they have to be banned.  If Kevin Na got say 25-50 mill to switch to LIV this has to cause some animosity among PGA players.  As you said this is generational wealth.  If Cam Smith, Zalatoris, or some young superstar leaves it's a big problem for the PGA tour. Clearly LIV has billions it can throw at these guys.    I really think banning them from the Majors is their only trump card (no pun intended).  And who's to say that will even work?? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 07, 2022, 09:53:37 AM
Think about how many off-brand football leagues have come and gone, if the product isn’t good, it’s not gonna last.

And there are wayyyy more eyes on football than golf.

I'm not saying I'm sold on LIV, but the differences between that and the NFL vs XFL/USFL/AAF are super significant.

NFL/pro football in the US is so ingrained in the culture of Sundays in the fall.  An upstart league is already well behind the eight ball because they can't horn in on that.  Couple that with the insane money in the NFL, and you can't approach the talent level cause they can't afford it.

LIV has the money to attract talent.  There is no barrier to entry in terms of scheduling (other than directly against majors).
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 07, 2022, 09:58:34 AM
I'm not saying I'm sold on LIV, but the differences between that and the NFL vs XFL/USFL/AAF are super significant.

NFL/pro football in the US is so ingrained in the culture of Sundays in the fall.  An upstart league is already well behind the eight ball because they can't horn in on that.  Couple that with the insane money in the NFL, and you can't approach the talent level cause they can't afford it.

LIV has the money to attract talent.  There is no barrier to entry in terms of scheduling (other than directly against majors).

Agree 100%.

I admit that I underestimated the threat to the PGA Tour at first. I now think it's a very real threat. There is nothing stopping LIV from luring most of the top-50 players, as well as up-and-coming young players. They've already started.

I don't think this is one iota like the XFL, etc.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 07, 2022, 10:06:29 AM
Agree 100%.

I admit that I underestimated the threat to the PGA Tour at first. I now think it's a very real threat. There is nothing stopping LIV from luring most of the top-50 players, as well as up-and-coming young players. They've already started.

I don't think this is one iota like the XFL, etc.


As long as they are willing to lose a crap ton of money on the front end. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 07, 2022, 10:16:41 AM

As long as they are willing to lose a crap ton of money on the front end.
"crap ton of money" is a relative term. If the Saudi's loose $100MM per year over a few years, that is a drop in the bucket (especially with oil at $100+ per barrel). Now $100MM to the XFL or PGA is a death sentence.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 07, 2022, 10:25:23 AM
Agree 100%.

I admit that I underestimated the threat to the PGA Tour at first. I now think it's a very real threat. There is nothing stopping LIV from luring most of the top-50 players, as well as up-and-coming young players. They've already started.

I don't think this is one iota like the XFL, etc.

What is interesting to me as this plays out...Ok, yes, LIV and Saudi money is morally questionable.  But what if this was being fronted by Rob Walton (who just bought the Broncos) and his $60B?  Or  Francois Pinault in France with tons of sponsorships and tie-ins from luxury brands under his Kering umbrella. 

Its obviously a pure hypothetical, but I wonder how much of the PGA's support here comes just from the shadiness of the money behind the upstart.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 10:42:03 AM
Yes.  Basically the PGA's chip is the Majors.  My take is they can't be suspended from the PGA tour, they have to be banned.  If Kevin Na got say 25-50 mill to switch to LIV this has to cause some animosity among PGA players.  As you said this is generational wealth.  If Cam Smith, Zalatoris, or some young superstar leaves it's a big problem for the PGA tour. Clearly LIV has billions it can throw at these guys.    I really think banning them from the Majors is their only trump card (no pun intended).  And who's to say that will even work??

PGA Tour doesn’t own the majors
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on June 07, 2022, 11:02:46 AM
What is interesting to me as this plays out...Ok, yes, LIV and Saudi money is morally questionable.  But what if this was being fronted by Rob Walton (who just bought the Broncos) and his $60B?  Or  Francois Pinault in France with tons of sponsorships and tie-ins from luxury brands under his Kering umbrella. 

Its obviously a pure hypothetical, but I wonder how much of the PGA's support here comes just from the shadiness of the money behind the upstart.

Yup, this.  Its what makes Mickelson's unforced error earlier this year so unbelievable.  Not like the Saudi support wouldn't have been an issue, but he made it THE issue.  Heck he made it bad enough that DJ had to falsely swear allegiance to the Tour until the immediate press blowback blew over.  I think the LIV lost at least a handful of players because of Mickelson's comments.

I also wonder if it cost Mickelson money.  The way he went silent, and then was a late add to the London event makes me think there may have been some shady "renegotiations" between Phil and the Saudis.  If the Saudis were pulling the strings on Phil before, its 100x worse now.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 07, 2022, 11:04:04 AM
Reportedly Tiger turned down a deal from the LIV in the high 9 figures.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 07, 2022, 11:15:58 AM
Reportedly Tiger turned down a deal from the LIV in the high 9 figures.
Over $500,000,000?!? Did he injure his head in the car accident too? He's "only" made $121,000,000 from the PGA so far (like 30 years or so). What it must be like to walk away from that kind of money? Crazy.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 11:22:51 AM
Over $500,000,000?!? Did he injure his head in the car accident too? He's "only" made $121,000,000 from the PGA so far (like 30 years or so). What it must be like to walk away from that kind of money? Crazy.

Some people don’t have a price to sportswash for the Saudi’s. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 07, 2022, 01:11:12 PM
Over $500,000,000?!? Did he injure his head in the car accident too? He's "only" made $121,000,000 from the PGA so far (like 30 years or so). What it must be like to walk away from that kind of money? Crazy.

The vast majority of Tiger's career earnings -- more than $2 billion -- have come from his deals with sponsors. Nike alone has paid him upwards of $500M, with his current deal paying him about $200M even though he has played very little golf since signing it.

So yes, he can afford to turn down the Saudis, thereby not alienating Nike and his other major sponsors.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 03:23:53 PM
The vast majority of Tiger's career earnings -- more than $2 billion -- have come from his deals with sponsors. Nike alone has paid him upwards of $500M, with his current deal paying him about $200M even though he has played very little golf since signing it.

So yes, he can afford to turn down the Saudis, thereby not alienating Nike and his other major sponsors.

Haven't we all here turned down $500 m?  Even non blood money $500 m? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 07, 2022, 03:28:26 PM
Haven't we all here turned down $500 m?  Even non blood money $500 m? 

I mean, he has enough money to support his family for generations.  At what point does he need more?  And at what cost to his reputation?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 07, 2022, 04:10:24 PM
LOL

https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1534279469070000132?s=20&t=oLYXSfz5bns19ktTyvYg-Q
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 07, 2022, 04:20:03 PM
Tiger not playing in US Open , is focusing on The British Open.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1534198107608604674
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 07, 2022, 04:20:30 PM
Over $500,000,000?!? Did he injure his head in the car accident too? He's "only" made $121,000,000 from the PGA so far (like 30 years or so). What it must be like to walk away from that kind of money? Crazy.

Tiger has "F*ck you" money.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 04:39:05 PM
LOL

https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1534279469070000132?s=20&t=oLYXSfz5bns19ktTyvYg-Q

Considering Phil and his wife are swingers and DJ likes to try and sleep with everyone’s wives, they seem like a natura fit
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 04:54:38 PM
I mean, he has enough money to support his family for generations.  At what point does he need more?  And at what cost to his reputation?

It's called sarcasm Fluffy if that's who you are now. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 07, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
The vast majority of Tiger's career earnings -- more than $2 billion -- have come from his deals with sponsors. Nike alone has paid him upwards of $500M, with his current deal paying him about $200M even though he has played very little golf since signing it.

So yes, he can afford to turn down the Saudis, thereby not alienating Nike and his other major sponsors.
I never addressed his career earning from sponsorships. Playing in LIV I doubt would dry up his sponsorship deals. I would expect they may take a hit (his recent reduction in performance level and playing frequency may play into it also) but I am confident the LIV money would more than make up for it. If he could make $5,$6,$7,$8 or maybe $900MM from LIV it could possibly out pace what he's done in his career. Plus add the continuing/new sponsorship deals.

But, I agree with your point that if he were to lose essentially all his endorsement deals, it may be a wash and thus smart to turn down.

I guess it really comes down to 1. what is "high 9 figures"? $500MM or $990MM (usually in banker speak it would be north of $700MM; "mid 9 figures" would be $4-$700MM)? and 2. How long of a deal? 5 or 10 or 20 years?

I think the theory, mentioned in previous posts, that he has an issue with the Saudi's makes the most sense as to why he'd turn down the pay increase. It's crazy to an average Joe like me but I can respect a man for standing on principle.

Lastly, of course he can afford to turn down the money. He could have afforded to stop playing and endorsing products 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 05:07:10 PM
I never addressed his career earning from sponsorships. Playing in LIV I doubt would dry up his sponsorship deals. I would expect they may take a hit (his recent reduction in performance level and playing frequency may play into it also) but I am confident the LIV money would more than make up for it. If he could make $5,$6,$7,$8 or maybe $900MM from LIV it could possibly out pace what he's done in his career. Plus add the continuing/new sponsorship deals.

But, I agree with your point that if he were to lose essentially all his endorsement deals, it may be a wash and thus smart to turn down.

I guess it really comes down to 1. what is "high 9 figures"? $500MM or $990MM (usually in banker speak it would be north of $700MM; "mid 9 figures" would be $4-$700MM)? and 2. How long of a deal? 5 or 10 or 20 years?

I think the theory, mentioned in previous posts, that he has an issue with the Saudi's makes the most sense as to why he'd turn down the pay increase. It's crazy to an average Joe like me but I can respect a man for standing on principle.

Lastly, of course he can afford to turn down the money. He could have afforded to stop playing and endorsing products 15 years ago.

I’d argue he’s made a calculated decision as well that by staying with the tour, he’ll actually increase his current income.  It won’t offset what he was offered but his name will still mean a lot being attached to course designs and other ventures. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 07, 2022, 05:07:59 PM
The biggest gamble for Phil is the endorsements. Arnie was one of the highest paid athletes in endorsements until he died and Phil likely had similar staying power. My guess, he is betting that the endorsements come back if LIV is a success or a major failure and he is welcomed back to the PGA. While I am disappointed he left, I think he ultimately ends up in good graces and has endorsements for twenty more years. I think he ends up a major winner financially above and beyond the LIV windfall.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
The biggest gamble for Phil is the endorsements. Arnie was one of the highest paid athletes in endorsements until he died and Phil likely had similar staying power. My guess, he is betting that the endorsements come back if LIV is a success or a major failure and he is welcomed back to the PGA. While I am disappointed he left, I think he ultimately ends up in good graces and has endorsements for twenty more years. I think he ends up a major winner financially above and beyond the LIV windfall.

He’ll blow it.  Once a degenerate, always a degenerate
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 07, 2022, 05:21:59 PM
Rico

There is no doubt he could blow it, but I think he makes another major score in endorsements in next 2-3 years. I am afraid LIV might have legs and change the sport I love, even more than MU basketball. The Saudi’s can lose whatever money they want for a long time and will continue to lure players there. Truthfully, there might be 20 guys that I could argue would be silly going and DJ would have been one of them.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 05:23:58 PM
Rico

There is no doubt he could blow it, but I think he makes another major score in endorsements in next 2-3 years. I am afraid LIV might have legs and change the sport I love, even more than MU basketball. The Saudi’s can lose whatever money they want for a long time and will continue to lure players there. Truthfully, there might be 20 guys that I could argue would be silly going and DJ would have been one of them.

Goose,

I love golf too but more than MU hoops???  Are you feeling alright?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Rico

There is no doubt he could blow it, but I think he makes another major score in endorsements in next 2-3 years. I am afraid LIV might have legs and change the sport I love, even more than MU basketball. The Saudi’s can lose whatever money they want for a long time and will continue to lure players there. Truthfully, there might be 20 guys that I could argue would be silly going and DJ would have been one of them.

Men’s professional golf will end up like boxing and American open wheel racing.  And when we have our pending economic recession/downturn, the public won’t have much time for golf leagues spending millions-to-billions on trust fund kids
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 07, 2022, 06:16:39 PM
Men’s professional golf will end up like boxing and American open wheel racing.  And when we have our pending economic recession/downturn, the public won’t have much time for golf leagues spending millions-to-billions on trust fund kids

Some of the PGA Tour top brass live in my neighborhood . In chewing the fat with these guys, they have told me they have an incredible thing going as the PGA Tour is a multi billion dollar annual revenue nonprofit whose management answers to no one. Senior Management has the ultimate life sinecure . So really this battle is just about player money as it is about who gains control of the revenue flow going forward .  So throw in PGA Tour management in as part of the entitled groups the public won’t have much time for.


Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 06:35:01 PM
Some of the PGA Tour top brass live in my neighborhood . In chewing the far with these guys, they have told me they have an incredible thing going as the PGA Tour is a multi billion dollar annual revenue nonprofit is whose management answers to no one. Senior Management has the ultimate life sinecure . So really this battle is just about player money as it is about who gains control of the revenue flow going forward .  So throw in PGA Tour management in as part of the entitled groups the public won’t have much time for.

They’re definitely part of the problem and why the sport (professionally) may be imploding on itself
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 07, 2022, 07:02:24 PM
I never addressed his career earning from sponsorships. Playing in LIV I doubt would dry up his sponsorship deals. I would expect they may take a hit (his recent reduction in performance level and playing frequency may play into it also) but I am confident the LIV money would more than make up for it. If he could make $5,$6,$7,$8 or maybe $900MM from LIV it could possibly out pace what he's done in his career. Plus add the continuing/new sponsorship deals.

But, I agree with your point that if he were to lose essentially all his endorsement deals, it may be a wash and thus smart to turn down.

I guess it really comes down to 1. what is "high 9 figures"? $500MM or $990MM (usually in banker speak it would be north of $700MM; "mid 9 figures" would be $4-$700MM)? and 2. How long of a deal? 5 or 10 or 20 years?

I think the theory, mentioned in previous posts, that he has an issue with the Saudi's makes the most sense as to why he'd turn down the pay increase. It's crazy to an average Joe like me but I can respect a man for standing on principle.

Lastly, of course he can afford to turn down the money. He could have afforded to stop playing and endorsing products 15 years ago.

Tiger has more money than he, his kids, his kids' kids, his kids' kids' kids, etc, can ever spend. He has a legacy, too. Plus all those hundreds of millions of dollars in sponsorship deals. It sounds crazy, but he literally doesn't need their money.

Is Tiger "standing on principle"? Well, neither of us knows what's in his heart and mind. But Tiger hasn't been very big on that so far in his professional life.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on June 07, 2022, 08:00:38 PM
As of now, any American choosing LIV is also choosing to not to represent the US in the Ryder Cup
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2022, 08:02:26 PM
As of now, any American choosing LIV is also choosing to not to represent the US in the Ryder Cup

Lot of the European players were loudmouths through the years about how the Ryder Cup meant more to them than majors and winning tournaments look like the phonies they were
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 08:04:37 PM
Lot of the European players were loudmouths through the years about how the Ryder Cup meant more to them than majors and winning tournaments look like the phonies they were

Very good point Uncle R.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 07, 2022, 08:49:27 PM
Lot of the European players were loudmouths through the years about how the Ryder Cup meant more to them than majors and winning tournaments look like the phonies they were

The phony restaurateur from South Florida is at the top of that list.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 09:14:56 PM
The phony restaurateur from South Florida is at the top of that list.

Excuse my ignorance but who are we talking about here?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 07, 2022, 09:27:06 PM
As of now, any American choosing LIV is also choosing to not to represent the US in the Ryder Cup
Or is it the Ryder Cup team choosing not to have LIV players represent the US? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 07, 2022, 09:39:38 PM
Excuse my ignorance but who are we talking about here?

Graeme McDowell
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 07, 2022, 10:48:53 PM
Graeme McDowell

It appears he sold out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 08, 2022, 07:15:55 AM
Tiger turns down close to a billion dollars to just join.

Phil gets 200M

Now it looks like the below are all leaving PGA:
Bryson
Patrick Reed
Ricky Fowler
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 07:16:36 AM
Tiger turns down close to a billion dollars to just join.

Phil gets 200M

Now it looks like the below are all leaving PGA:
Bryson
Patrick Reed
Ricky Fowler

Just gross
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 07:27:15 AM
Just gross

But, wait, I thought Captain America lived and breathed the Ryder Cup?

Gross is correct.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 08, 2022, 07:32:28 AM
Tiger turns down close to a billion dollars to just join.

Phil gets 200M

Now it looks like the below are all leaving PGA:
Bryson
Patrick Reed
Ricky Fowler
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10896587/Bryson-DeChambeau-Patrick-Reed-join-Saudi-backed-200m-LIV-Series.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 07:38:13 AM
Just gross

Am I imagining things......didn't Decharcuterie say last week he couldn't risk leaving the PGA tour?  This is despicable.  I did think LIV could be a threat but thought the vast majority of top young players would not completely sell out.  Especially after the Phil backlash.  Bryson leaving is a huge deal.  Can the Masters alone ban them?  Can an alliance be formed from the other tours to ban them from majors?  This literally could destroy the sport for awhile.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 08, 2022, 07:58:10 AM
I will say that the PGA's initial reaction of threatening to ban people, etc. was not a smart one.  They should have used this as a call to reform and listen to the players.  Instead they just set themselves up to not being able to match what the Saudis were eventually going to offer.

Especially since the USGA has said that LIV golfers can play in the US Open.  What if The Open follows suit?  And if the Masters wants these guys in the field, they are going to be in the field.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 08:31:33 AM
Am I imagining things......didn't Decharcuterie say last week he couldn't risk leaving the PGA tour?  This is despicable.  I did think LIV could be a threat but thought the vast majority of top young players would not completely sell out.  Especially after the Phil backlash.  Bryson leaving is a huge deal.  Can the Masters alone ban them?  Can an alliance be formed from the other tours to ban them from majors?  This literally could destroy the sport for awhile.

I believe the sport is going to enter a period of great upheaval and the money that’s involved currently with be the last of the fat cat days.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 08, 2022, 09:25:49 AM
But, wait, I thought Captain America lived and breathed the Ryder Cup?

Gross is correct.

Reed's weirdo wife probably loves beheadings so she pushed for it and we all know she's the driver.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 08, 2022, 09:28:19 AM
It feels like LIV is cornering the market on the unlikable golfers.

It makes sense for Rickie to go for the cash grab based on his struggles lately.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 08, 2022, 09:35:05 AM
PGA may have over played their hand and may have to re-think their position.  now that a few upper echelon golfers have committed to LIV, one has to think the others are taking  2nd look.  if a zalatoris or hovland leave, there's more than smoke
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 08, 2022, 09:37:00 AM
gotta wonder with bryson going LIV, does koepka stay home?  :D
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 09:41:31 AM
I will say that the PGA's initial reaction of threatening to ban people, etc. was not a smart one.  They should have used this as a call to reform and listen to the players.  Instead they just set themselves up to not being able to match what the Saudis were eventually going to offer.

Especially since the USGA has said that LIV golfers can play in the US Open.  What if The Open follows suit?  And if the Masters wants these guys in the field, they are going to be in the field.

The problem is that the Tour doesn't have the ability to offer what the Saudis are. The LIV money is not tied to any market factors (corporate sponsors, tv deals, etc.), so they have been able to completely change the compensation model.

Sure, the Tour could have made additional reforms (and they have, see the PIP money). However, LIV could just offer more cash. And, that's what's this all about, no matter the spin from Greg Norman. Players leaving the Tour to make more money, and more importantly for the big names, that money is no longer tied to how they actually perform on the course. DJ can finish dead-last in every LIV event, he's still getting $125 million.

The Saudis could have sports washed with a number of different sports. Unfortunately, for the Tour, they chose men's professional golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on June 08, 2022, 09:49:18 AM
It feels like LIV is cornering the market on the unlikable golfers.


Totally. Was kind of bummed to see Oosthuizen on the list, he always seemed like a pretty good dude.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 08, 2022, 10:03:59 AM
I hate to admit, but I am going to try watch the first couple holes tomorrow. As of now, it is the only coverage I plan to watch this season and I hope I stick to that. There is not enough there for me to get excited over, aside from possibly seeing history tomorrow AM.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 08, 2022, 10:06:51 AM
The Saudis could have sports washed with a number of different sports. Unfortunately, for the Tour, they chose men's professional golf.

They've been trying for years.  Look at their soccer team purchases.  I think the PGA is the only major US based league that has the ability to be turned like that.  You don't need a full league worth of players like you would in other sports to have a comparable product.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 08, 2022, 10:11:18 AM
They've been trying for years.  Look at their soccer team purchases.  I think the PGA is the only major US based league that has the ability to be turned like that.  You don't need a full league worth of players like you would in other sports to have a comparable product.

The only other I can think of is tennis. But I don’t know if the non-major tournament viewership makes it as attractive as golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 10:30:48 AM
The problem is that the Tour doesn't have the ability to offer what the Saudis are. The LIV money is not tied to any market factors (corporate sponsors, tv deals, etc.), so they have been able to completely change the compensation model.

Sure, the Tour could have made additional reforms (and they have, see the PIP money). However, LIV could just offer more cash. And, that's what's this all about, no matter the spin from Greg Norman. Players leaving the Tour to make more money, and more importantly for the big names, that money is no longer tied to how they actually perform on the course. DJ can finish dead-last in every LIV event, he's still getting $125 million.

The Saudis could have sports washed with a number of different sports. Unfortunately, for the Tour, they chose men's professional golf.

Exactly.  I mean Chase Koepka could make more than Brooks Koepka for all we know. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 08, 2022, 10:47:50 AM
I will say that the PGA's initial reaction of threatening to ban people, etc. was not a smart one.  They should have used this as a call to reform and listen to the players.  Instead they just set themselves up to not being able to match what the Saudis were eventually going to offer.

Especially since the USGA has said that LIV golfers can play in the US Open.  What if The Open follows suit?  And if the Masters wants these guys in the field, they are going to be in the field.
You comment on the PGA using this as an impetus for 'reform' , or whatever you want to call it, I think is correct. Herman mentioned conversations with PGA fat cats and my friend worked with the PGA for the BMW a few years ago that was at his club; he wasn't impressed with the PGA brass. Thought the whole thing was top heavy and he's no corporate guru of running a tight ship; he's loves the country club lifestyle and gives little thought to business. This is about all I know, so I maybe incorrect on what is really going on at the PGA. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 11:05:40 AM
The big question is whether LIV events will get OWGR points. If not, this is going to be a problem for them. That will limit some of the poaching in the short-term.

Also, I hope LIV players continue to stay eligible for the majors because on the whole I think they are going to struggle in them moving forward. There is plenty to criticize the Tour for, but the one big positive it has going for it is that the environment is hyper-competitive. I think it will show that the Tour is the best environment to prepare for and play well in the major championships. In my opinion, that will help the Tour keep the majority of it's best young talent.

LIV is going to be nothing like that. Limited events, no cuts, 54 holes, team events, etc. And, at the moment, limited younger players pushing the older guys. Plus, the best LIV golfers have a ton of guaranteed cash coming to them no matter their performance. All-in-all, I don't believe this is a combination that going to have these guys playing great golf come the majors. And, outside a few figures, pro golf is not a game where guys can simply turn it on.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
They've been trying for years.  Look at their soccer team purchases.  I think the PGA is the only major US based league that has the ability to be turned like that.  You don't need a full league worth of players like you would in other sports to have a comparable product.

True. I should have stated going all-in. Norman & Co. have an open checkbook on LIV. Spend until it works.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 08, 2022, 11:28:45 AM
The big question is whether LIV events will get OWGR points. If not, this is going to be a problem for them. That will limit some of the poaching in the short-term.

Also, I hope LIV players continue to stay eligible for the majors because on the whole I think they are going to struggle in them moving forward. There is plenty to criticize the Tour for, but the one big positive it has going for it is that the environment is hyper-competitive. I think it will show that the Tour is the best environment to prepare for and play well in the major championships. In my opinion, that will help the Tour keep the majority of it's best young talent.

LIV is going to be nothing like that. Limited events, no cuts, 54 holes, team events, etc. And, at the moment, limited younger players pushing the older guys. Plus, the best LIV golfers have a ton of guaranteed cash coming to them no matter their performance. All-in-all, I don't believe this is a combination that going to have these guys playing great golf come the majors. And, outside a few figures, pro golf is not a game where guys can simply turn it on.

That will be interesting. When Johnson was listing how he was exempt for many of the majors, I was kind of curious how those exemptions would come in the future. Most are based on ranking, performance in PGA Tour events, and performance in the majors. It seems like other than the last one, those options are gone.

I’m sure adjustments could be made, but with the unique format and limited players now, I’m curious how they work it in.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 08, 2022, 11:39:02 AM
Eh, why should the occasional beheading get in the way of making easy money?

Seriously, LIV already is a real threat and definitely could be a bigger one. Is it out of the realm of possibility that stars like McIlroy and Spieth change their minds and go for the dough? How about the likes of Zalatoris, Morikawa, Smith and Young? All of them are starting to see that there are few real repercussions of leaving the tour. I wouldn't be surprised if agents for at least a few of them, and others, have started checking with sponsors to gauge the reaction.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 11:40:44 AM
True. I should have stated going all-in. Norman & Co. have an open checkbook on LIV. Spend until it works.

Saudi Arabia's main motive is not money.  It's essentially for world perception to "change" on their human rights record.  We all know these golfers and Norman are pawns. Apparently they don't know but the vast majority of the public understands this.  The Saudi government isn't going to run out of money to fund the LIV tour.  It's also ironic It's called LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 08, 2022, 11:52:28 AM
Apparently they don't know but the vast majority of the public understands this.

Do they though?  And, if they do, do they actually care?

I mean the World Cup is going to draw massive television numbers despite the horrible human rights abuses of Qatar.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 12:00:59 PM
Saudi Arabia's main motive is not money.  It's essentially for world perception to "change" on their human rights record.  We all know these golfers and Norman are pawns. Apparently they don't know but the vast majority of the public understands this.  The Saudi government isn't going to run out of money to fund the LIV tour.  It's also ironic It's called LIV.

Oh, I know.

That's why I feel the Tour is somewhat a victim here in what's happening. This isn't a remotely fair fight. Some (not on Scoop) like to pretend that LIV is just another upstart sports league. It ain't. LIV's funding and motives are entirely different than any other sports league.

Also, most of these golfers jumping ship know what they are doing. They are not that dumb. So some blame The Tour and pretend they are reformers who had no choice but to go to LIV (See Phil). Others talk about "growing the game" or that the game will bring good things to the Saudi people nonsense (See McDowell). Others simply don't care as long as the check clears (See DJ). At least, the last group is honest.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 12:03:20 PM
Eh, why should the occasional beheading get in the way of making easy money?

Seriously, LIV already is a real threat and definitely could be a bigger one. Is it out of the realm of possibility that stars like McIlroy and Spieth change their minds and go for the dough? How about the likes of Zalatoris, Morikawa, Smith and Young? All of them are starting to see that there are few real repercussions of leaving the tour. I wouldn't be surprised if agents for at least a few of them, and others, have started checking with sponsors to gauge the reaction.

I don't think the PGA tour can compete monetarily but it wouldn't surprise me if they make some changes.  Perhaps top 50 players will get additional compensation for their actual ranking....something like that.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 12:05:54 PM
Oh, I know.

That's why I feel the Tour is somewhat a victim here in what's happening. This isn't a remotely fair fight. Some (not on Scoop) like to pretend that LIV is just another upstart sports league. It ain't. LIV's funding and motives are entirely different than any other sports league.

Also, most of these golfers jumping ship know what they are doing. They are not that dumb. So some blame The Tour and pretend they are reformers who had no choice but to go to LIV (See Phil). Others talk about "growing the game" or that the game will bring good things to the Saudi people nonsense (See McDowell). Others simply don't care as long as the check clears (See DJ). At least, the last group is honest.

The PGA Tour is dead
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 12:10:47 PM
Oh, I know.

That's why I feel the Tour is somewhat a victim here in what's happening. This isn't a remotely fair fight. Some (not on Scoop) like to pretend that LIV is just another upstart sports league. It ain't. LIV's funding and motives are entirely different than any other sports league.

Also, most of these golfers jumping ship know what they are doing. They are not that dumb. So some blame The Tour and pretend they are reformers who had no choice but to go to LIV (See Phil). Others talk about "growing the game" or that the game will bring good things to the Saudi people nonsense (See McDowell). Others simply don't care as long as the check clears (See DJ). At least, the last group is honest.

Ya....most of the answers I've heard from these players are a joke and knowingly dishonest.  Now, it's true there are other athletes that take big cash through endorsements in China.  I think the difference is the actual fund that will be paying these golfers comes directly from the Saudi Government.  The whole thing stinks to high heaven imo.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
The PGA Tour is dead

Ya think?  I won't watch but the shotgun starts are super weird if they are interested in fan interest and making their tournament watchable.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 08, 2022, 12:24:35 PM
Ya think?  I won't watch but the shotgun starts are super weird if they are interested in fan interest and making their tournament watchable.

Wouldn’t it shorten the time needed to broadcast? Baseball can barely keep people entertained for 3 hours. I would assume doing a shotgun starts means more of the tournament is captured by TV and increases how much of the tournament people watch.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
Wouldn’t it shorten the time needed to broadcast? Baseball can barely keep people entertained for 3 hours. I would assume doing a shotgun starts means more of the tournament is captured by TV and increases how much of the tournament people watch.

I don't think it works nor is it necessary for 54 players.  You could have guys competing to win on holes 3, 7, and 12.  It seems like a clown show to me. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 08, 2022, 01:00:48 PM
It is an exhibition for now.    Like 'The Match', only with some more names and a lot more Saudi money.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WarriorFan on June 08, 2022, 01:46:21 PM
I think it's great to give the PGA tour some competition.  They have been bullies too long.  For example,  When I lived in Asia, every Asian tour event would invite some PGA players to give the tournament some extra draw for TV and on-site spectators.  Inevitably one of the PGA players would win and inevitably the PGA would not give the same player an exception to return to that tournament the next year to defend his title!!! 

Guys could make good money on LIV, go and play a few more events on the European or Asian tour, and really boost the global game of golf at a time when it needs it. 

If you have a problem with Saudi money, stop putting fuel in your car.  I think it's great that they are spending some of their money to improve a sport I enjoy!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 01:52:20 PM
I think it's great to give the PGA tour some competition.  They have been bullies too long.  For example,  When I lived in Asia, every Asian tour event would invite some PGA players to give the tournament some extra draw for TV and on-site spectators.  Inevitably one of the PGA players would win and inevitably the PGA would not give the same player an exception to return to that tournament the next year to defend his title!!! 

Guys could make good money on LIV, go and play a few more events on the European or Asian tour, and really boost the global game of golf at a time when it needs it. 

If you have a problem with Saudi money, stop putting fuel in your car.  I think it's great that they are spending some of their money to improve a sport I enjoy!

If you think they’re spending to improve the sport, I have a bridge to sell you.  Also, 5% of our imported oil comes out of Saudi Arabia
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 08, 2022, 02:31:02 PM
LIV is going to be nothing like that. Limited events, no cuts, 54 holes, team events, etc. And, at the moment, limited younger players pushing the older guys. Plus, the best LIV golfers have a ton of guaranteed cash coming to them no matter their performance. All-in-all, I don't believe this is a combination that going to have these guys playing great golf come the majors. And, outside a few figures, pro golf is not a game where guys can simply turn it on.
I think this is a good point but you have to remember, the prize money in LIV is significantly higher than even the majors. Lots of motivation.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 08, 2022, 02:39:37 PM
I think the ratings are gonna be horrific. Like honestly, who is tuning in to see DJ and a bunch of washed up pros.

Like others have said, it doesn’t really matter because they can basically print money, but there no growing of the game with mediocre pros.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 02:48:27 PM
I think the ratings are gonna be horrific. Like honestly, who is tuning in to see DJ and a bunch of washed up pros.

Like others have said, it doesn’t really matter because they can basically print money, but there no growing of the game with mediocre pros.

Growing the game is the lamest talking point they have.  If these guys cared about growing the game, they would have played overseas more.  When the WGC’s came to be, the match play was supposed to travel the globe but American players groused about it and that’s part of why most of the events were in the states
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 08, 2022, 02:52:25 PM
That will be interesting. When Johnson was listing how he was exempt for many of the majors, I was kind of curious how those exemptions would come in the future. Most are based on ranking, performance in PGA Tour events, and performance in the majors. It seems like other than the last one, those options are gone.

I’m sure adjustments could be made, but with the unique format and limited players now, I’m curious how they work it in.

  interesting if the majors exemptions are tied into "other indicators" or prerequisites. however, some of these players, particularly dj, patrick, lefty, and bryson (and those yet to be announced)may be dealing from standpoint of strength.  after tiger, these guys have a pretty good draw unless the fans say to hell with them   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 02:55:27 PM
I think this is a good point but you have to remember, the prize money in LIV is significantly higher than even the majors. Lots of motivation.

For guys like Chase Koepka, sure. The giant purse will definitely be a motivator.

But, for the stars (Phil, DJ, Bryson), they are getting their fat check no matter what. Are these guys going to be grinding it out for extra LIV money, no way. That's why they are joining LIV in the first place. It is all about the guaranteed money.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 08, 2022, 03:09:52 PM
For guys like Chase Koepka, sure. The giant purse will definitely be a motivator.

But, for the stars (Phil, DJ, Bryson), they are getting their fat check no matter what. As these guys going to be grinding it out for extra LIV money, no way. That's why they are joining LIV in the first place. It is all about the guaranteed money.

That would probably be the most embarrassing outcome for the LIV.

Pros going over there for the guaranteed cash, and not even playing in half the events, if any.

I’m sure there are contractual obligations but would be funny if a lot of these guys were “injured” on any given week.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 08, 2022, 03:17:17 PM
I think the ratings are gonna be horrific. Like honestly, who is tuning in to see DJ and a bunch of washed up pros.

Like others have said, it doesn’t really matter because they can basically print money, but there no growing of the game with mediocre pros.

"washed up pros" no longer plays with recent additions. 

Bryson was a top 10 player before he's recently been sidelined.

Patrick Reed is still a top 30 ranked player who was top 10 less than 2 years ago and is only 31.

Rickie has been in a slump but you're still talking 6 major top 10s in the last 5 seasons.

I would have agreed with you until the names started coming in this week.  And that would lead me to believe more are listening.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 08, 2022, 03:22:09 PM
That would probably be the most embarrassing outcome for the LIV.

Pros going over there for the guaranteed cash, and not even playing in half the events, if any.

I’m sure there are contractual obligations but would be funny if a lot of these guys were “injured” on any given week.

Would be funny.

The rumor is that LIV will move to 15 events next year. They better watch out though. If they add to that number, I bet some guys will start to moan.


Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 08, 2022, 03:27:28 PM
"washed up pros" no longer plays with recent additions. 

Bryson was a top 10 player before he's recently been sidelined.

Patrick Reed is still a top 30 ranked player who was top 10 less than 2 years ago and is only 31.

Rickie has been in a slump but you're still talking 6 major top 10s in the last 5 seasons.

I would have agreed with you until the names started coming in this week.  And that would lead me to believe more are listening.

Bryson moves the needle.  That said even if LIV gets some young guns and top 20 players I'm pretty doubtful they'll get a TV contract.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 08, 2022, 03:29:01 PM
Wags

I am sure there will be more guys making the jump, but I think it might be more damaging by number of guys lost vs. quality of guys lost. Virtually every guy that jumped was outed months ago and only DJ has been a somewhat surprise. I have no idea who their next desired whale could be that is possibility to nab and think they will poach the Pat Perez, Matt Kuchar, Tommy Fleetwood's of the tour.

Have they announced what the cut off number of guys is going to be? If they keep getting guys, there is going to be a need for larger field or more events. I am sure the guys would love playing a shotgun with two groups per hole. This thing has been poorly organized, and I can see US guys getting frustrated quickly.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 08, 2022, 03:41:54 PM
Bryson moves the needle.  That said even if LIV gets some young guns and top 20 players I'm pretty doubtful they'll get a TV contract.

They have a ways to go, but its just not DJ, Graeme McDowell, Koepka's brother, and a bunch of also rans anymore.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 03:43:44 PM
"washed up pros" no longer plays with recent additions. 

Bryson was a top 10 player before he's recently been sidelined.

Patrick Reed is still a top 30 ranked player who was top 10 less than 2 years ago and is only 31.

Rickie has been in a slump but you're still talking 6 major top 10s in the last 5 seasons.

I would have agreed with you until the names started coming in this week.  And that would lead me to believe more are listening.

Rickie hasn’t seriously contended in a major since the ‘18 Masters and even that was a second place finish from way behind.  His game is trash.  He’s not exempt into any major at the moment.

Bryson’s body has begun its slow decline into unreliability.  The only name that’s jumped that I’ll miss is DJ.  Nobody on tour will miss Patrick Reed and his wife
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2022, 03:45:36 PM
Wags

I am sure there will be more guys making the jump, but I think it might be more damaging by number of guys lost vs. quality of guys lost. Virtually every guy that jumped was outed months ago and only DJ has been a somewhat surprise. I have no idea who their next desired whale could be that is possibility to nab and think they will poach the Pat Perez, Matt Kuchar, Tommy Fleetwood's of the tour.

Have they announced what the cut off number of guys is going to be? If they keep getting guys, there is going to be a need for larger field or more events. I am sure the guys would love playing a shotgun with two groups per hole. This thing has been poorly organized, and I can see US guys getting frustrated quickly.

It’s supposed to be 48 Guy fields with 12 4-man teams that can be adjusted which allows for guys like Flower, Cheat and Dechaurtrixe to join and jettison the also-rans
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on June 08, 2022, 08:59:36 PM
PGA may have over played their hand and may have to re-think their position.  now that a few upper echelon golfers have committed to LIV, one has to think the others are taking  2nd look.  if a zalatoris or hovland leave, there's more than smoke

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Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 08, 2022, 09:41:27 PM
For guys like Chase Koepka, sure. The giant purse will definitely be a motivator.

But, for the stars (Phil, DJ, Bryson), they are getting their fat check no matter what. Are these guys going to be grinding it out for extra LIV money, no way. That's why they are joining LIV in the first place. It is all about the guaranteed money.
I get it it and you make sense but isn't that an issue in every sport with guaranteed money? Just in golf, Tiger and Phil could have stopped playing or just "mailed it in" after say 4 majors. They were set for life. The prize money wasn't huge but they loved to compete. Same with Jordan, Lebron, Brady, Manning, Bonds (cheater), Jeter, etc.

That said, there are plenty of guys who did go on cruise control after getting the guaranteed money. Your point does have merit.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 09, 2022, 08:23:54 AM
Bryson gets $100 million guaranteed from LIV. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 09, 2022, 08:36:07 AM
I saw the LIV promo with Dennis Quaid.

Uhh...super creepy.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 09, 2022, 09:03:28 AM
LIV guys officially suspended, won't be allowed sponsor exemptions.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34063037/pga-tour-suspends-all-players-taking-part-first-liv-golf-tournament
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: NolongerWarriors on June 09, 2022, 09:56:18 AM
LIV commercial aired showing Bubba Watson, so I'm sure more pro's are going.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 09, 2022, 10:29:38 AM
drip drip drip...frog says hey! it's getting hot in here...smells like chicken ;)


don't think the PGA wants to get stuck in a "watch this, hold my beer" moment

    wouldn't be surprised if PGA announces some changes to it's format...kinda like..."so there"
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 09, 2022, 10:33:18 AM
LIV guys officially suspended, won't be allowed sponsor exemptions.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34063037/pga-tour-suspends-all-players-taking-part-first-liv-golf-tournament

Obviously there will be lawsuits galore.  For some time it appears we will have somewhat of a s-show.  But again, I can't see LIV ever getting a real TV contract.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 09, 2022, 10:41:41 AM
  They are taking a lot of guaranteed money.   And it will, for a while, be easier golf, almost like the silly season now.   It will fundamentally change professional golf as we have known it.   

It will be a while before I watch LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 09, 2022, 11:05:02 AM
Obviously there will be lawsuits galore.  For some time it appears we will have somewhat of a s-show.  But again, I can't see LIV ever getting a real TV contract.

What would be the basis of a lawsuit? It seems a pretty clear violation of their tour contracts, so much so that many of these guys are resigning from the PGA.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 09, 2022, 11:19:55 AM
I don’t know what a “real” television contract is, but my guess is the Saudis will offer up something for free. If the viewers follow, they will get paid.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2022, 11:28:02 AM
  They are taking a lot of guaranteed money.   And it will, for a while, be easier golf, almost like the silly season now.   It will fundamentally change professional golf as we have known it.   

It will be a while before I watch LIV.

Yup, I sure won’t be watching any of it
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on June 09, 2022, 11:41:01 AM
The media's reaction so far is interesting.  On ESPN, foxsports, and golf.com, tons of stories about the PGA suspensions and what LIV means, but you can't find the leaderboard or coverage of the actual event. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 09, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
It'll be interesting to see how some of these players are greeted if they play the US Open.
Brookline crowds aren't exactly known for their restraint.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: LAZER on June 09, 2022, 11:48:03 AM
I don’t know what a “real” television contract is, but my guess is the Saudis will offer up something for free. If the viewers follow, they will get paid.
They gave DAZN "free, non-exclusive rights" so I presume free until someone wants to pay for the rights. Seems unlikely any major American network will want to get involved in the near future.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 09, 2022, 12:09:58 PM
The only major network would be Fox, right? Now that they don’t have the US Open, do they have any ties to the current golf landscape?

ABC is connected based on ESPN televising the PGA Chanpionship. NBC and CBS are tied very closely to the PGA Tour.

Granted, a conflict with the PGA Tour is only one reason to not televise. I’m assuming the human rights issue would keep Fox from televising. I wonder if a Spike TV type of network would show it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 09, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
The PGA Tour is dead

BUMP.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 09, 2022, 05:05:32 PM
Rory say the LIV payments are made upfront. 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/61740384
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 09, 2022, 05:40:57 PM
Rory say the LIV payments are made upfront. 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/61740384

Given that LIV only exists as long as MBS is in power, it would be pretty dumb for the agents not to demand this.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 09, 2022, 07:05:01 PM
What would be the basis of a lawsuit? It seems a pretty clear violation of their tour contracts, so much so that many of these guys are resigning from the PGA.

I'm no expert but for those that haven't quit the PGA tour I would think they will file lawsuits.    I expect this to be a circus for quite some time.  If young guns bolt it could be a total dumpster fire.  I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more harsh words from the PGA players.

Maybe Goose can tell us what we missed today as far as the LIV coverage?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 09, 2022, 07:14:57 PM
I'm no expert but for those that haven't quit the PGA tour I would think they will file lawsuits.    I expect this to be a circus for quite some time.  If young guns bolt it could be a total dumpster fire.  I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more harsh words from the PGA players.

Maybe Goose can tell us what we missed today as far as the LIV coverage?
First Round LIV Leaderboard

https://dknation.draftkings.com/2022/6/9/23161752/liv-leaderboard-first-round-leader-charl-schwartzel-london-tournament-dustin-johnson-phil-mickelson
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 09, 2022, 07:17:23 PM
What would be the basis of a lawsuit? It seems a pretty clear violation of their tour contracts, so much so that many of these guys are resigning from the PGA.

I had the same question.

Given that LIV only exists as long as MBS is in power, it would be pretty dumb for the agents not to demand this.

Nice that MBS can make time for this what with his busy schedule of killing gay people, discriminating against women and murdering journalists.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 09, 2022, 08:13:34 PM
US Ryder Cup team takes a hit.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Chili on June 09, 2022, 08:24:37 PM
US Ryder Cup team takes a hit.

Europe lost a generation of captains.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 09, 2022, 08:25:43 PM
They will recycle.

US may have to count on Zalatoris to make a short putt.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Chili on June 09, 2022, 08:27:42 PM
Rory say the LIV payments are made upfront. 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/61740384

Depends who you are. Some are up front loans where they are fronting future earnings. Some are spread out. Big stars are lump sums in suit cases. Hopefully not the kind from Turkey. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Chili on June 09, 2022, 08:31:24 PM
They will recycle.

US may have to count on Zalatoris to make a short putt.

I'm more worried about Presidents Cups to be honest.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 09, 2022, 08:36:56 PM
I'm more worried about Presidents Cups to be honest.

Yup, yup
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 09, 2022, 08:44:23 PM
I just checked.  DJ, Reed, Bryson, Na are nowhere near the top 12.   Going by straight top 12, Hoge and Gooch make the team.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 09, 2022, 09:07:40 PM
I just checked.  DJ, Reed, Bryson, Na are nowhere near the top 12.   Going by straight top 12, Hoge and Gooch make the team.

Tom Hoge didn’t leave PGA, but Gooch did play in the LIV event.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 09, 2022, 09:14:41 PM
US Ryder Cup team takes a hit.

But at least the team will be made up of guys you feel good rooting for.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 09, 2022, 09:19:52 PM
I saw the LIV promo with Dennis Quaid.

Uhh...super creepy.   

The promo or Quaid?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 09, 2022, 09:26:44 PM
Ryder team will be lots of young guns.  Sheffler, Homa, Collin M., Speith, JT, Cantlay, Burns.  Hopefully Horschel will make the team, add Berger and Xander.

President Cup standings are really for top 6 players.  Captain then makes 6 choices.
Will be tough team to beat. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 09, 2022, 09:32:01 PM
Kisner will probably end up on the Ryder Cup team as well.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Chili on June 09, 2022, 09:48:11 PM
I am actually happy I never have to think of Reed or Na (and Thicc Boi for that matter) ever being on the team again. It's quite refreshing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 09, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
The promo or Quaid?

Both. I thought it was beyond bizarre.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 09, 2022, 10:05:41 PM
I am actually happy I never have to think of Reed or Na (and Thicc Boi for that matter) ever being on the team again. It's quite refreshing.

Actually Na has never made a Ryder or President Cup team.  Same for Billy Horschel, which I could not believe. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Chili on June 09, 2022, 10:19:23 PM
Actually Na has never made a Ryder or President Cup team.  Same for Billy Horschel, which I could not believe.

I know, but the threat of Na even being thought of for a team made me angry. I can't stand that dolt.

Now Billy Ho isn't my total cup of tea but he could, as Andy Johnson said, be the American Poulter if ever picked. The Euros would hate him. He would piss everyone off on their team.

He is the reason why the last pick now is after the end of the FedEx. He's just had bad timing.

But Na is a poofer and a turd.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 09, 2022, 10:20:58 PM
I know, but the threat of Na even being thought of for a team made me angry. I can't stand that dolt.

Now Billy Ho isn't my total cup of tea but he could, as Andy Johnson said, be the American Poulter if ever picked. The Euros would hate him. He would piss everyone off on their team.

He is the reason why the last pick now is after the end of the FedEx. He's just had bad timing.

But Na is a poofer and a turd.

I doubt Na was ever a real consideration for any team
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 09, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
What's your gut on what the Masters will do?  I assume they have the power to do whatever they want? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 09, 2022, 11:40:48 PM
What's your gut on what the Masters will do?  I assume they have the power to do whatever they want?

I can’t imagine they’d begrudge anyone for getting the bag.

This might be a silly question. Is the PGA of America separate from the PGA Tour? I assumed the LIV players would not be eligible for the PGA Championship, but in some articles, it seems like the PGA of America is a separate entity.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 10, 2022, 12:06:04 AM
I can’t imagine they’d begrudge anyone for getting the bag.

This might be a silly question. Is the PGA of America separate from the PGA Tour? I assumed the LIV players would not be eligible for the PGA Championship, but in some articles, it seems like the PGA of America is a separate entity.

I'm confused as well....they're apparently separate?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 10, 2022, 12:07:33 AM
Oh....I guess the distinction is club pros and tour pros.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 10, 2022, 02:09:13 AM
Muggsy

I had it on for a couple of hours and very unimpressed. At this point, I think I would rather watch the Sunshine Tour. It is going to be difficult to have quality golf with as little as they will be playing and they have zero need to play well.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 10, 2022, 06:24:53 AM
PGA of America and the PGA TOUR are completely different entities.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 10, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
billy horschel is on the radar boys!  the guy is a meticulous machine.  love watching him play.  i did not know he was dealing with personal issues (his wife's alcoholism) at home.  although alcoholism is a day to day battle,  brittany has 4-5 years of sobriety, allowing billy to breathe a little.  i have noticed his game seems to be up a notch.  Godspeed for him and his wife

harry varner is another favorite of mine.  i take him in many of my fanduel contests but he is starting to become more expensive.  the secret may be out.  sitting at the clubhouse of waste management tournament a few years ago, the players exit the 18th green over the bridge, right past our seating area.  the players are not supposed to stop and/or sign stuff.  harry stopped and signed stuff. 

regardless if rickie stays PGA or goes LIV, i hope he finds his game.  he's such a great ambassador, especially for the younger golfers.  we also ran into him at waste management as he was leaving the grounds and he stopped to sign stuff and take pictures

regardless of what ya'll think of patrick reed, he will be missed on ryder cup.  his record 7-3-2
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 10, 2022, 09:00:47 AM
What's your gut on what the Masters will do?  I assume they have the power to do whatever they want?

Rumor is, the Masters plans on not inviting any LIV Players, though it’s possible they make the exception for past champs
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 10, 2022, 09:52:28 AM
Rumor is, the Masters plans on not inviting any LIV Players, though it’s possible they make the exception for past champs

I believe that's what will happen. LIV seems to be cornering the market on former Masters champs. And, I'm sure Bubba will be joining LIV when he returns to action.

If they make an exception for past champs, that would leave really only Bryson as the only star on the outside looking in (given no other huge names jumping to LIV). But, I'm not sure that ANGC will care all that much given that Bryson thinks the course is only a par 67.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 10, 2022, 10:06:12 AM
I believe that's what will happen. LIV seems to be cornering the market on former Masters champs. And, I'm sure Bubba will be joining LIV when he returns to action.

If they make an exception for past champs, that would leave really only Bryson as the only star on the outside looking in (given no other huge names jumping to LIV). But, I'm not sure that ANGC will care all that much given that Bryson thinks the course is only a par 67.

I see a lot of chatter asking if the masters would matter if they didn’t invite players like Bryson and I think people forget, Augusta cares not what you think.  They’ll do what they want.  Also, they’ve been pretty progressive the last decade taking stewardship of the game.  I have little doubt that they’ll be the first to introduce an universal ball for their invitational
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 10, 2022, 10:13:22 AM
I see a lot of chatter asking if the masters would matter if they didn’t invite players like Bryson and I think people forget, Augusta cares not what you think.  They’ll do what they want.  Also, they’ve been pretty progressive the last decade taking stewardship of the game.  I have little doubt that they’ll be the first to introduce an universal ball for their invitational

Well if they decide to ban LIV members, even if they allow past champions, that would essentially thwart a PGA tour exodus for the younger players.    These guys will not want to forego playing Augusta National.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 10, 2022, 09:49:38 PM
Opportunity for European Tour to fortify its ranks

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/golf/garcia-mcdowell-liv-golf-pga-27195310

Garcia lays out his reasoning for joining LIV. My guess is others will follow his line of thinking.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/garcia-not-bothered-by-pga-tour-suspension-2022-06-09/

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2022, 07:24:55 AM
Opportunity for European Tour to fortify its ranks

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/golf/garcia-mcdowell-liv-golf-pga-27195310

Garcia lays out his reasoning for joining LIV. My guess is others will follow his line of thinking.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/garcia-not-bothered-by-pga-tour-suspension-2022-06-09/

These clowns couldn’t wait to play the PGA Tour and almost all live in the United States.  Interesting how that gives Sergio more time for his family.  He might be a liar.  We already know he’s a petulant child
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 11, 2022, 07:27:13 AM
DJ admitted it was about playing less golf for more money.   And against lesser fields.

I get the 40 somethings.   Take the big payout and slow down.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2022, 12:59:30 PM
They set this initial LIV course up hard lots of the field over par .

https://www.livgolf.com/leaderboard
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 11, 2022, 01:45:18 PM
DJ admitted it was about playing less golf for more money.   And against lesser fields.

I get the 40 somethings.   Take the big payout and slow down.   

I'll say this about DJ, he's at least telling people the truth. And, while LIV sounds great for DJ, this is not a compelling case as to why golf fans should care about LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2022, 02:47:13 PM
I'll say this about DJ, he's at least telling people the truth. And, while LIV sounds great for DJ, this is not a compelling case as to why golf fans should care about LIV.
Caddies are being treated extremely well

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/players-arent-only-ones-pampered-inaugural-liv-golf-event?utm_medium=email&utm_source=061122&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM28626&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2022, 04:11:38 PM
They set this initial LIV course up hard lots of the field over par .

https://www.livgolf.com/leaderboard

Lots of the field is garbage
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2022, 04:23:29 PM
Schwartzel with inaugural LIV win

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/charl-scwhartzel-wins-4-million-dollars-in-inaugural-liv-golf-invititational
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2022, 04:25:21 PM
A proper golf tournament and national championship on the line in Canada where the top 4 are Rory, Finau, JT and Sam Burns
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 11, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
Schwartzel with inaugural LIV win

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/charl-scwhartzel-wins-4-million-dollars-in-inaugural-liv-golf-invititational

Future answer to a trivia question.   Who won the inaugural exhibition....
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 11, 2022, 04:42:35 PM
That Shipnuck/Norman text exchange was an absolute all-timer.  Wow just wow. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 11, 2022, 05:24:49 PM
Pat Perez getting $10 million to join LIV. Frankly, that's nuttier than Bryson's deal
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2022, 05:30:45 PM
Pat Perez getting $10 million to join LIV. Frankly, that's nuttier than Bryson's deal

He’s buddies with Gretzky who loves him some Saudi sports washing cash
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 11, 2022, 07:26:10 PM
A proper golf tournament and national championship on the line in Canada where the top 4 are Rory, Finau, JT and Sam Burns
Nice to see the Canadian Open regaining some of its luster in recent years . Used to be considered a huge event just below the majors .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2022, 07:32:34 PM
Nice to see the Canadian Open regaining some of its luster in recent years . Used to be considered a huge event just below the majors .

Lots of good courses in Canada.  Played at Jack’s course too much over the last 45 years
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 12, 2022, 08:29:49 AM
Pat Perez getting $10 million to join LIV. Frankly, that's nuttier than Bryson's deal

The Saudi Royal Family is only worth somewhere in the 1.5 trillion range.  Again, that's with a T.  They will continue to offer boat loads of cash to PGA players.  This problem probably isn't going away any time soon. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 12, 2022, 08:31:35 AM
The Saudi Royal Family is only worth somewhere in the 1.5 trillion range.  Again, that's with a T.  They will continue to offer boat loads of cash to PGA players.  This problem probably isn't going away any time soon.

If the majors continue inviting LIV players, the Saudis could make the Blood Money Tour the dominant circuit within a couple years.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 12, 2022, 09:08:52 AM
The Saudi Royal Family is only worth somewhere in the 1.5 trillion range.  Again, that's with a T.  They will continue to offer boat loads of cash to PGA players.  This problem probably isn't going away any time soon. 

But even trillionaires don't want to repeatedly lose money.  Look, I am sure they look at their smaller neighbors with some envy in this respect.  UAE owns a bunch of soccer teams and Dubai is a new playground for the rich.  Qatar owns PSG and is hosting the World Cup later this year.  But still, they will pull the plug on this thing if they figure out it's not going to work.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 12, 2022, 09:11:39 AM
If it brings unkind scrutiny and attracts mostly has-beens and b-listers, it will still carry on for a few years but won't get bigger than it is now.      Much wiser on their part would have been to completely take over either the Asian tour or  the European tour.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 12, 2022, 09:20:29 AM
But even trillionaires don't want to repeatedly lose money.  Look, I am sure they look at their smaller neighbors with some envy in this respect.  UAE owns a bunch of soccer teams and Dubai is a new playground for the rich.  Qatar owns PSG and is hosting the World Cup later this year.  But still, they will pull the plug on this thing if they figure out it's not going to work.

I mean maybe in a few years you're right but as we know money isn't their first priority.   How much would they have to lose to really care? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 12, 2022, 09:34:43 AM
I mean maybe in a few years you're right but as we know money isn't their first priority.   How much would they have to lose to really care? 

Money isn’t their first priority?  How do we know that?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 12, 2022, 09:40:58 AM
Money isn’t their first priority?  How do we know that?

Because they just bought Pat Perez for 10m.  For all we know they might offer Fluffy the Monster 5m for playing the LIV tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 12, 2022, 09:43:24 AM
Because they just bought Pat Perez for 10m.  For all we know they might offer Fluffy the Monster 5m for playing the LIV tour.

They are willing to lose on the front end as an initial investment. Believe me they aren’t doing this to lose money in the long run.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 12, 2022, 09:52:14 AM
I think they’re paying content creators as well. I watch quite a few golf YouTube channels and one of them was openly promoting the LIV.

Now I take all internet comments sections with a grain of salt, but a lot of them were none to happy about him promoting the LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 12, 2022, 11:12:51 AM
If the offer me $10 million, I will forego the PGA champions tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 12, 2022, 12:47:50 PM
This is what the Saudi’s want.  Golf is ancillary and the players partaking are doing the work of the Saudi government to achieve these goals.  If golf undergoes a major identity crisis, they don’t really care.  This isn’t good for golf despite what the idiots playing in it tell you. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Vision_2030
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on June 12, 2022, 01:05:43 PM
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-is-sportswashing-and-does-it-work/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 13, 2022, 08:22:53 AM
They are willing to lose on the front end as an initial investment. Believe me they aren’t doing this to lose money in the long run.

I don't think they're "doing it to lose money," but I do think there's a very real chance that they know they very well might never make money.

They are beyond rich, so rich that us mere millionaires and billionaires can't put ourselves into their heads to try to discern what they're really thinking. But couldn't it all be about prestige and power and control? (Or at least mostly about that?)

People do not buy private jets and helicopters and yachts and exotic pets and Ferraris and Rolexes and spots on flights to outer space to make money on those things. They buy those things because they can, they buy those things to gain prestige. They buy those things to show the world, "I am effen rich, and you'll always be poor."

Is it possible that Phil and DJ and Pat Freakin' Perez are just yachts and exotic pets to these bazillionaires?

Now, as is the case with classic cars, jewelry and some other uber-expensive things, they can end up actually having been good investments that become worth more than they were at the time of purchase. Maybe - though I really don't see how at this point - that will be the case this time too.

In his interview yesterday, Monahan asked: “Why is this group spending so much money — billions of dollars — recruiting players and chasing a concept with no possibility of a return?”

He obviously has a stake in the whole thing and is pretty much the least objective observer out there. But that doesn't mean his question lacks merit.

“Why is this group spending so much money — billions of dollars — recruiting players and chasing a concept with no possibility of a return?”

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2022, 08:54:38 AM
I get and agree with the harsh criticism of the Saudis but where is the outrage with the PGA's involvement with China? China is 1,000x worse in terms of human rights violations.

I can get behind any anger towards the Saudis for hurting the sport of pro golf, but any criticism based upon the Saudi's human rights violations with out at least equal outrage toward the PGA rings hollow, to me.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 13, 2022, 09:02:33 AM
I don't think they're "doing it to lose money," but I do think there's a very real chance that they know they very well might never make money.

They are beyond rich, so rich that us mere millionaires and billionaires can't put ourselves into their heads to try to discern what they're really thinking. But couldn't it all be about prestige and power and control? (Or at least mostly about that?)

People do not buy private jets and helicopters and yachts and exotic pets and Ferraris and Rolexes and spots on flights to outer space to make money on those things. They buy those things because they can, they buy those things to gain prestige. They buy those things to show the world, "I am effen rich, and you'll always be poor."

Is it possible that Phil and DJ and Pat Freakin' Perez are just yachts and exotic pets to these bazillionaires?

Now, as is the case with classic cars, jewelry and some other uber-expensive things, they can end up actually having been good investments that become worth more than they were at the time of purchase. Maybe - though I really don't see how at this point - that will be the case this time too.

In his interview yesterday, Monahan asked: “Why is this group spending so much money — billions of dollars — recruiting players and chasing a concept with no possibility of a return?”

He obviously has a stake in the whole thing and is pretty much the least objective observer out there. But that doesn't mean his question lacks merit.

“Why is this group spending so much money — billions of dollars — recruiting players and chasing a concept with no possibility of a return?”





Sew, day're privileged, aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 13, 2022, 09:28:29 AM
The Saudi's view it as spending a few billion now to have complete control of professional golf in 20 years when it's worth $20+ billon.

I get and agree with the harsh criticism of the Saudis but where is the outrage with the PGA's involvement with China? China is 1,000x worse in terms of human rights violations.

I can get behind any anger towards the Saudis for hurting the sport of pro golf, but any criticism based upon the Saudi's human rights violations with out at least equal outrage toward the PGA rings hollow, to me.

(https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mister-gotcha-4-9faefa-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 13, 2022, 09:46:03 AM
The Saudi's view it as spending a few billion now to have complete control of professional golf in 20 years when it's worth $20+ billon.

(https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mister-gotcha-4-9faefa-1.jpg)




SLM, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 13, 2022, 10:09:21 AM
I get and agree with the harsh criticism of the Saudis but where is the outrage with the PGA's involvement with China? China is 1,000x worse in terms of human rights violations.

I can get behind any anger towards the Saudis for hurting the sport of pro golf, but any criticism based upon the Saudi's human rights violations with out at least equal outrage toward the PGA rings hollow, to me.


There is a bit of a difference.  The PGA is using China as a market for growth - which is done by businesses, etc. all of the time regardless of their human rights issues.  There's all sorts of precedence for this in not only China, but other countries as well. 

The Saudis are starting up an entire tour, using their oil money, in an attempt to legitimize a regime that is pretty deplorable.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 13, 2022, 01:53:56 PM

There is a bit of a difference.  The PGA is using China as a market for growth - which is done by businesses, etc. all of the time regardless of their human rights issues.  There's all sorts of precedence for this in not only China, but other countries as well. 

The Saudis are starting up an entire tour, using their oil money, in an attempt to legitimize a regime that is pretty deplorable.


Won't stop the "but what about China?" knee-jerk response of those who for some reason insist upon defending the Saudi regime and its supporters, but that was very well said.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2022, 02:28:32 PM

Won't stop the "but what about China?" knee-jerk response of those who for some reason insist upon defending the Saudi regime and its supporters, but that was very well said.
So pointing out the relationship between the PGA and China equals 'defending the Saudi regime'? Or is it uncomfortable for those who 'defend the Chinese regime' to be reminded of its materially worse record than the Saudis and deflect by claiming 'knee-jerk response'? Intelligent people can recognize the abhorrent human rights record of both counties and not have to choose 'China good', 'Saudi bad'.

Maybe it's as simple for some people that the Saudi's are competing with the PGA, so now they care.  I suppose we'll see massive growth of compassion for humans and outrage with China if China simply starts a league to compete with the NBA.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 13, 2022, 02:31:02 PM
So pointing out the relationship between the PGA and China equals 'defending the Saudi regime'? Or is it uncomfortable for those who 'defend the Chinese regime' to be reminded of its materially worse record than the Saudis and deflect by claiming 'knee-jerk response'? Intelligent people can recognize the abhorrent human rights record of both counties and not have to choose 'China good', 'Saudi bad'.

Maybe it's as simple for some people that the Saudi's are competing with the PGA, so now they care.  I suppose we'll see massive growth of compassion for humans and outrage with China if China simply starts a league to compete with the NBA.


Again, I don't think the situations are the same though.  The PGA using China as a market is not the same as actually working for the Saudi regime.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2022, 02:53:44 PM

Again, I don't think the situations are the same though.  The PGA using China as a market is not the same as actually working for the Saudi regime.
I wasn't responding to your post. I agree there are nuanced differences. Personally, I don't see as 'apples and oranges' but more like 'red delicious and golden delicious'. Reasonable people can disagree on this point.

I had no problem with your post; you never painted someone who points out the ills of China as someone dismisses the Saudi's sins. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 13, 2022, 02:55:35 PM
So pointing out the relationship between the PGA and China equals 'defending the Saudi regime'? Or is it uncomfortable for those who 'defend the Chinese regime' to be reminded of its materially worse record than the Saudis and deflect by claiming 'knee-jerk response'? Intelligent people can recognize the abhorrent human rights record of both counties and not have to choose 'China good', 'Saudi bad'.

Maybe it's as simple for some people that the Saudi's are competing with the PGA, so now they care.  I suppose we'll see massive growth of compassion for humans and outrage with China if China simply starts a league to compete with the NBA.

No, it's deflection.

The Saudi regime is corrupt and guilty of horrible crimes against humanity. Immediately pointing to another regime during a conversation of the Saudi regime seems to be an attempt to minimize the atrocities.

It's a separate issue, but yes, China also is guilty of many atrocities, and I wish fewer American entities were in bed with them.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 13, 2022, 09:40:19 PM
No, it's deflection.

The Saudi regime is corrupt and guilty of horrible crimes against humanity. Immediately pointing to another regime during a conversation of the Saudi regime seems to be an attempt to minimize the atrocities.

It's a separate issue, but yes, China also is guilty of many atrocities, and I wish fewer American entities were in bed with them.
Deflection would be; "The Saudis are bad but not as bad as North Korea"

Pointing out the hypocracy of the PGA claiming the moral high ground while in bed with Chinese is on point. There is a common denominator; the PGA and immoral regimes.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 13, 2022, 09:43:19 PM

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 14, 2022, 08:08:35 PM
Anyone else golf at Dubsdread at Cog hill? Trying to figure out where I want to go for my birthday round and was wondering if it’s worth it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 14, 2022, 09:47:51 PM
Anyone else golf at Dubsdread at Cog hill? Trying to figure out where I want to go for my birthday round and was wondering if it’s worth it.

Others might disagree, but I always preferred two other Jemsek courses - Cog #2 and Pine Meadow. I haven’t played any of them in quite some time though.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 14, 2022, 09:59:23 PM
Others might disagree, but I always preferred two other Jemsek courses - Cog #2 and Pine Meadow. I haven’t played any of them in quite some time though.
I agree. It's been some time since I played there but Dub's Dread felt 'tricked up' with lots of sand.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 15, 2022, 12:00:04 AM
Anyone else golf at Dubsdread at Cog hill? Trying to figure out where I want to go for my birthday round and was wondering if it’s worth it.

Play Ravines and save yourself the money. Much better public golf in Chicago than Dubs, the place was ruined.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 15, 2022, 03:42:04 AM
Piss wit da big boys and spring fore da Straits, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 15, 2022, 08:56:38 AM
Play Ravines and save yourself the money. Much better public golf in Chicago than Dubs, the place was ruined.

The course conditions at Ravines leave much to be desired, in my opinion. Frankly, there's better options than any of the Cog courses.

Chitown, have you played any of the following? Stonewall Orchard, Mistwood, Blackstone, Prairie Landing or ThunderHawk? All will give you a better bang for your buck than Cog and all are very nice. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 15, 2022, 08:59:31 AM
The course conditions at Ravines leave much to be desired, in my opinion. Frankly, there's better options than any of the Cog courses.

Chitown, have you played any of the following? Stonewall Orchard, Mistwood, Blackstone, Prairie Landing or ThunderHawk? All will give you a better bang for your buck than Cog and all are very nice.

Again, it's been a few years, but Stonewall Orchard, Mistwood and ThunderHawk are all nice. Of those, I liked Mistwood best. Prairie Meadow is better than all of them IMHO, but also pricier IIRC. For a links-style experience, Harborside is a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 15, 2022, 10:49:51 AM
The course conditions at Ravines leave much to be desired, in my opinion. Frankly, there's better options than any of the Cog courses.

Chitown, have you played any of the following? Stonewall Orchard, Mistwood, Blackstone, Prairie Landing or ThunderHawk? All will give you a better bang for your buck than Cog and all are very nice.

Huge fan of Thunderhawk. Went there last year on a whim and the course was beautiful.

16, 17, and 18 all around the lake were the best 3 holes I may have played in my life.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 15, 2022, 10:54:40 AM
Huge fan of Thunderhawk. Went there last year on a whim and the course was beautiful.

16, 17, and 18 all around the lake were the best 3 holes I may have played in my life.

That is a brutal finishing stretch.  16 is long and demands two pretty good shots to start off the tee and then for your layup. 

Depending on the pin on 17, you can funnel a tee shot to the hole but if you miss the green, good luck.

18 is no bargain, either.  Need two good shots from the tee to the layup and the layup really needs to be in the right spot, depending on the pin.

I like the course, but it is unrelenting.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 15, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
Depending on the pin on 17, you can funnel a tee shot to the hole but if you miss the green, good luck.

17 thought I hit a good tee shot, had the distance nailed, just missed to the left.

Got caught in that mess on the left hand side on the hill and you are not wrong.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 15, 2022, 12:50:54 PM
17 thought I hit a good tee shot, had the distance nailed, just missed to the left.

Got caught in that mess on the left hand side on the hill and you are not wrong.

Can’t hit a weak fade, either
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on June 15, 2022, 05:10:13 PM
Can’t go wrong with Mistwood. Outstanding track and facility.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2022, 07:25:18 AM
USGA CEO Mike Whan says he could "foresee the day" when it becomes much more difficult for the USGA to let guys who have left the PGA Tour for the Saudis compete in USGA events.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 16, 2022, 08:00:01 AM
USGA CEO Mike Whan says he could "foresee the day" when it becomes much more difficult for the USGA to let guys who have left the PGA Tour for the Saudis compete in USGA events.
Well, I guess we know who really runs the USGA now.

Look, US Golf (PGA,USGA,PGA Tour) can make its own rules. It is a private entity so people can either like it or choose not to join.

But, the NCAA which is private entity that schools/players can either like or choose not to join, is being run by the government and courts, so look for law suits and new legislation.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 16, 2022, 08:03:11 AM
But, the NCAA which is private entity that schools/players can either like or choose not to join, is being run by the government and courts, so look for law suits and new legislation.


How is the NCAA being run by the government and the courts?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2022, 08:14:23 AM
Well, I guess we know who really runs the USGA now.

Look, US Golf (PGA,USGA,PGA Tour) can make its own rules. It is a private entity so people can either like it or choose not to join.

But, the NCAA which is private entity that schools/players can either like or choose not to join, is being run by the government and courts, so look for law suits and new legislation.

If you think the PGA Tour runs the USGA, have I got news for you. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 16, 2022, 09:09:18 AM
White Trash decided to have hot takes with his corn flakes this morning.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 16, 2022, 11:17:39 PM
Can’t recommend Thunderhawk when Shepard’s Crook is a more fun course, better layout, more walkable and 5 minutes away. Played yesterday with the wind howling, love using the slopes and mounds out there.

Zion/Beach Park area hit the golf jackpot with both courses.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2022, 04:27:47 AM
Can’t recommend Thunderhawk when Shepard’s Crook is a more fun course, better layout, more walkable and 5 minutes away. Played yesterday with the wind howling, love using the slopes and mounds out there.

Zion/Beach Park area hit the golf jackpot with both courses.

I love Shepherd’s Crook.  Great mix of holes.  The finishing par-5 is tons of fun.  Not a fan of the 17th hole as it doesn’t fit with the rest of the course but otherwise a knockout
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 17, 2022, 06:38:32 AM
I love Shepherd’s Crook.  Great mix of holes.  The finishing par-5 is tons of fun.  Not a fan of the 17th hole as it doesn’t fit with the rest of the course but otherwise a knockout

17 is stinky, probably could add 16 too. Both give me a “we ran out of room” design.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2022, 07:04:09 AM
17 is stinky, probably could add 16 too. Both give me a “we ran out of room” design.

I don’t mind short par-3’s like 16, especially after the brutal 14th.  But I get your point.  It is crammed into its spot
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 17, 2022, 07:15:03 AM
I don’t mind short par-3’s like 16, especially after the brutal 14th.  But I get your point.  It is crammed into its spot

I think golf needs more short par 3s, but that one just doesn’t look like the rest of the course. Absolutely dead around 70% of the hole, no real way to play it on the ground and run up. Just a 9 iron getting thrown up in the air at a target.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 17, 2022, 07:22:20 AM
I think golf needs more short par 3s, but that one just doesn’t look like the rest of the course. Absolutely dead around 70% of the hole, no real way to play it on the ground and run up. Just a 9 iron getting thrown up in the air at a target.

That’s true.  It is a one-dimensional hole.  Probably not much they can do to fix it with regards to the dead around the hole with the swamp.  Shave the right side bare and maybe it’s more interesting
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 21, 2022, 06:44:14 AM
Looks like Brooks Koepka leaving PGA and joining LIV.  Probably getting up front guaranteed money in the range of Dustin Johnson (150 million).

Abraham Ancer left yesterday. Who knows what he got.

Now rumors flying that Morikowa is next.  If that happens, taking away one of the "young guns" would be a bad thing for PGA.  Personally, I don't see it happening, but a week ago who would think Brooks would leave.  $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 07:26:06 AM
Looks like Brooks Koepka leaving PGA and joining LIV.  Probably getting up front guaranteed money in the range of Dustin Johnson (150 million).

Abraham Ancer left yesterday. Who knows what he got.

Now rumors flying that Morikowa is next.  If that happens, taking away one of the "young guns" would be a bad thing for PGA.  Personally, I don't see it happening, but a week ago who would think Brooks would leave.  $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Guess we now know why Koepka really, really, really didn't want to talk about the LIV last week.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 07:39:00 AM
Looks like Brooks Koepka leaving PGA and joining LIV.  Probably getting up front guaranteed money in the range of Dustin Johnson (150 million).

Abraham Ancer left yesterday. Who knows what he got.

Now rumors flying that Morikowa is next.  If that happens, taking away one of the "young guns" would be a bad thing for PGA.  Personally, I don't see it happening, but a week ago who would think Brooks would leave.  $$$$$$$$$$$$$

When they took Chase, the writing was on the wall.  Chase can’t get starts without Brooks
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2022, 07:39:33 AM
Whores...all of them are whores, aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 21, 2022, 07:46:54 AM
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34124761/brooks-koepka-becomes-latest-star-golfer-leave-pga-tour-liv-golf-series-sources-confirm

No longer "looks like". 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 07:51:56 AM
I mean, if it weren't for the controversial nature of the Saudi regime, why wouldn't they take the money?  They don't owe the PGA anything.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 07:57:43 AM
I mean, if it weren't for the controversial nature of the Saudi regime, why wouldn't they take the money?  They don't owe the PGA anything.

There’s the rub.  No one else is going to flush money down the toilet in this way. 

These guys don’t understand the ramifications.  We are headed for or already in a financial crisis.  No one is going to want to see dudes playing 54-hole shotgun start tournaments for an obscene amount of guaranteed money from Saudi Arabia.  Men’s professional golf is in big trouble
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: NolongerWarriors on June 21, 2022, 08:10:36 AM
Morikawa will be gone soon, too.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 08:13:38 AM
I mean, if it weren't for the controversial nature of the Saudi regime, why wouldn't they take the money?  They don't owe the PGA anything.

But other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 08:18:45 AM
But other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?


Well as we have seen all too many times, ones hard ethical stances soften up the more $$ is involved. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 21, 2022, 08:27:56 AM
Koepka doesn’t surprise me very much. He always seems to view golf as a job rather than loving it. Plus, he’s able to still play the majors. Also, now that he’s not a force at majors anymore, it makes more sense.

Morikawa surprises me a lot more. He seemed like he was starting to build his legacy on tour and could have been the face of the future.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 21, 2022, 08:28:11 AM
I am looking forward to Liv having 70+ guys signed up and watching how they handle who gets in the 48 man field. There are going be a nice number of guys that thought they had minimum of $120k for showing up not getting into the field. I am predicting by Labor Day there will be at least one defector from Liv.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 21, 2022, 08:30:33 AM
Koepka, who is 32, has only won once (Phoenix Open) in the last three years.  He did an equipment change, had some injuries, dropped in OWGR, yet still gets massive television coverage when he plays.

If rumor of him getting guareented 150M is true, how can one turn that down.  Saudis have billions to give away and I am now convinced other younger PGA studs are thinking of a life changing decision. 

Players such as Homa, Berger, Finau, Niemann, Hovland, and Schauffle.

The big guns, Rahm, Scheffler, Rory, Thomas, Hidecki, Spieth and Smith are probably staying, but if one of them goes, its a whole new ballgame. Morikowa rumor is well, just a rumor. 

Banning the LIV players from majors will certainly effect the decisions, but again this is life changing money for some and they are always one injury away.


Sorta sucks for golf.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 08:41:42 AM
I don't know how non-PGA majors would be able to ban players from LIV if they would otherwise qualify.  At least for the US Open and the Masters, I would think that would be seen as anti-competitive behavior.  I don't believe that you have to be a card carrying PGA member now.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 08:42:20 AM
I am looking forward to Liv having 70+ guys signed up and watching how they handle who gets in the 48 man field. There are going be a nice number of guys that thought they had minimum of $120k for showing up not getting into the field. I am predicting by Labor Day there will be at least one defector from Liv.

We’ll see.  With the guranteed money, do they care?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 08:42:55 AM
I don't know how non-PGA majors would be able to ban players from LIV if they would otherwise qualify.  At least for the US Open and the Masters, I would think that would be seen as anti-competitive behavior.  I don't believe that you have to be a card carrying PGA member now.

It’s their events.  They can do what they want.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 21, 2022, 08:46:18 AM
I don't know how non-PGA majors would be able to ban players from LIV if they would otherwise qualify.  At least for the US Open and the Masters, I would think that would be seen as anti-competitive behavior.  I don't believe that you have to be a card carrying PGA member now.

Probably up to the governing bodies and will potentially end up in court.  PGA Commissioner making a statement today, so we will see.

Sidenote:  Nick Faldo leaving CBS.  Trevor Immelman taking his spot.  I wish Phil was available because he was awesome last year when he sat in the booth.  Now, will never happen. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 21, 2022, 08:49:11 AM
Rico

I think there has to be a couple of younger guys that did not crazy money that still love to play tournament golf. I would think that playing in the late groups on Sunday in front of big crowds has to mean something to some of these guys. No doubt quick money is hard to turn down, but I think there will be guys having doubts on their decision before the summer is over.


As for these guys playing in the majors in the future, aside from former major champs the world ranking or major performance from previous year is only they will be able to get in. The big stick the PGA still has is world rankings and Liv tournaments should be included at this time.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 08:51:00 AM
It’s their events.  They can do what they want.


I don't think it's that simple.  They have listed criteria for qualification.

https://www.usopen.com/qualifying/exemptions.html

https://www.masters.com/en_US/players/invitees_2022.html (toward the bottom)

As far as I can tell, they don't say anything about being a member in good standing of a PGA tour.  Of course these are the 2022 criteria, and I don't know if they have "published" criteria for 2023.  But they can't just say "but not you" to someone who would have otherwise qualified without facing a lawsuit of some sort. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 09:02:39 AM

I don't think it's that simple.  They have listed criteria for qualification.

https://www.usopen.com/qualifying/exemptions.html

https://www.masters.com/en_US/players/invitees_2022.html (toward the bottom)

As far as I can tell, they don't say anything about being a member in good standing of a PGA tour.  Of course these are the 2022 criteria, and I don't know if they have "published" criteria for 2023.  But they can't just say "but not you" to someone who would have otherwise qualified without facing a lawsuit of some sort.

If they don’t get WGR points, they won’t have an avenue except for current other exemptions.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 09:05:31 AM
I am looking forward to Liv having 70+ guys signed up and watching how they handle who gets in the 48 man field. There are going be a nice number of guys that thought they had minimum of $120k for showing up not getting into the field. I am predicting by Labor Day there will be at least one defector from Liv.

Seems part of the allure of LIV for the big-name players is it doesn't matter how well they perform. They're getting guaranteed money up front.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 09:08:35 AM
Seems part of the allure of LIV for the big-name players isn't it doesn't matter how well they perform. They're getting guaranteed money up front.

That’s it.  A lot of these clowns don’t like playing to make cuts and think it’s beneath them.

That’s why the match play has that stupid pod system, so guys got 3 guranteed days of play. 

Everyone complains about the stale tour format, but the players don’t actually want to commit to match play or mixed-events.  Damned if the tour does or doesn’t
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 09:10:06 AM
If they don’t get WGR points, they won’t have an avenue except for current other exemptions.

Right. That's why I said "would otherwise qualify" as in a past champion or top finisher from the year prior.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 21, 2022, 09:26:06 AM
Koepka's reaction to the LIV question at his USOpen press conference was pretty much a give away that he was gonzo. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 09:31:18 AM

Well as we have seen all too many times, ones hard ethical stances soften up the more $$ is involved.

Well, sure.
But my point is you can't separate LIV from its founders, or the fact that it (and its players) are being used by a tyrannical regime to distract from its tyranny. And that the players are willing participants in said distraction.
I think one reasonably can be a critic of the PGA Tour and some of its practices, and recognize that individual players owe it nothing, while also labeling the LIV defectors for who they are.

And lest we forget, Brooks Koepka, just a few short months ago:

Koepka, speaking Wednesday, less than 24 hours after Mickelson attempted to save himself from his unflattering comments about the PGA Tour, believes somebody will “sell out” and ultimately opt for the Greg Norman-backed, Saudi-financed Super Golf League.
“I think it’s going to still keep going,” Koepka said. “I think there will still be talk. Everyone talks about money. They’ve got enough of it. I don’t see it backing down. They can just double up and they’ll figure it out. They’ll get their guys. Somebody will sell out and go to it.”


https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/02/23/brooks-koepka-pga-tour-sell-out-saudi-arabia-golf/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on June 21, 2022, 09:42:55 AM
I don't want to get too conspiratorial here, and Occam's Razor says this is probably just a good old fashioned money grab.  But are more of these guys in Mickelson-style financial trouble than we think?  I'm of the position that the Saudis either bought up or threatened to buy up Mickelson's debt, and they basically own him at this point.  I wouldn't be surprised if that all was in the works when Mickelson made his scary MFers comments to try to push back against them and it went... poorly. I've been trying to think up the rationale for him to make those comments since they happened and have otherwise come up empty.

It just seems weird that with all the money out there to be won on the tour, these guys are ready to jump ship like this even if the up front checks are huge. And if LIV is making downstream promises and they don't deliver what are you going to do, sue them?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 21, 2022, 10:09:08 AM

Well as we have seen all too many times, ones hard ethical stances soften up the more $$ is involved.

“Today, under the dictatorial rule of Xi Jinping – a neo-Maoist thug – the PGA Tour and LPGA Tour include annual treks to Shanghai, China for the WGC-HSBC Champions and Buick LPGA Shanghai,” Pro Golf Weekly’s Jeff Smith recently wrote in an article titled “Where’s the Sportswashing Outrage With Communist China?”

“How evil is the current regime in relation to Mao?” Smith continued, referring to the founding father of the People’s Republic of China. “Last year, the United States officially accused China of committing crimes against humanity, which had engaged in the forced assimilation and eventual erasure of a vulnerable ethnic and religious minority group.”

The PGA deal in China establishes a direct connection between the golf organization and China’s government. Financing came from Yao Capital, a company whose principal is also a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, a political advisory group to the Chinese government, which is in the midst of a five-year plan to develop the country’s sports into a $740 billion industry by 2025."
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 10:11:25 AM
“Today, under the dictatorial rule of Xi Jinping – a neo-Maoist thug – the PGA Tour and LPGA Tour include annual treks to Shanghai, China for the WGC-HSBC Champions and Buick LPGA Shanghai,” Pro Golf Weekly’s Jeff Smith recently wrote in an article titled “Where’s the Sportswashing Outrage With Communist China?”

“How evil is the current regime in relation to Mao?” Smith continued, referring to the founding father of the People’s Republic of China. “Last year, the United States officially accused China of committing crimes against humanity, which had engaged in the forced assimilation and eventual erasure of a vulnerable ethnic and religious minority group.”

The PGA deal in China establishes a direct connection between the golf organization and China’s government. Financing came from Yao Capital, a company whose principal is also a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, a political advisory group to the Chinese government, which is in the midst of a five-year plan to develop the country’s sports into a $740 billion industry by 2025."

Finally, what about China.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 21, 2022, 10:12:17 AM
I don't want to get too conspiratorial here, and Occam's Razor says this is probably just a good old fashioned money grab.  But are more of these guys in Mickelson-style financial trouble than we think?  I'm of the position that the Saudis either bought up or threatened to buy up Mickelson's debt, and they basically own him at this point.  I wouldn't be surprised if that all was in the works when Mickelson made his scary MFers comments to try to push back against them and it went... poorly. I've been trying to think up the rationale for him to make those comments since they happened and have otherwise come up empty.

It just seems weird that with all the money out there to be won on the tour, these guys are ready to jump ship like this even if the up front checks are huge. And if LIV is making downstream promises and they don't deliver what are you going to do, sue them?

I doubt most of them are in Phil style financial trouble.  I think the other factor is that the PGA Tour can get grueling.  It is what it is and its a nice life, but if you suddenly can play the same game, for upfront/more money and a lighter schedule, I can see that appeal.

Again, if it wasn't a regime with a huge black shroud over it that was financing it, people wouldn't question/blame the decisions at all.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 10:13:39 AM
“Today, under the dictatorial rule of Xi Jinping – a neo-Maoist thug – the PGA Tour and LPGA Tour include annual treks to Shanghai, China for the WGC-HSBC Champions and Buick LPGA Shanghai,” Pro Golf Weekly’s Jeff Smith recently wrote in an article titled “Where’s the Sportswashing Outrage With Communist China?”

“How evil is the current regime in relation to Mao?” Smith continued, referring to the founding father of the People’s Republic of China. “Last year, the United States officially accused China of committing crimes against humanity, which had engaged in the forced assimilation and eventual erasure of a vulnerable ethnic and religious minority group.”

The PGA deal in China establishes a direct connection between the golf organization and China’s government. Financing came from Yao Capital, a company whose principal is also a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, a political advisory group to the Chinese government, which is in the midst of a five-year plan to develop the country’s sports into a $740 billion industry by 2025."


 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 10:16:06 AM
Well, sure.
But my point is you can't separate LIV from its founders, or the fact that it (and its players) are being used by a tyrannical regime to distract from its tyranny. And that the players are willing participants in said distraction.
I think one reasonably can be a critic of the PGA Tour and some of its practices, and recognize that individual players owe it nothing, while also labeling the LIV defectors for who they are.

And lest we forget, Brooks Koepka, just a few short months ago:

Koepka, speaking Wednesday, less than 24 hours after Mickelson attempted to save himself from his unflattering comments about the PGA Tour, believes somebody will “sell out” and ultimately opt for the Greg Norman-backed, Saudi-financed Super Golf League.
“I think it’s going to still keep going,” Koepka said. “I think there will still be talk. Everyone talks about money. They’ve got enough of it. I don’t see it backing down. They can just double up and they’ll figure it out. They’ll get their guys. Somebody will sell out and go to it.”


https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/02/23/brooks-koepka-pga-tour-sell-out-saudi-arabia-golf/

I don't disagree with anything you are saying here.

I was responding mostly to 4ever's comments about the players being "whores." There has been some talk about the players chasing the money as if they owe the PGA something. I don't know if that's what 4ever was getting at, so I was just using an "ethical LIV" as a hypothetical.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 10:17:25 AM
I doubt most of them are in Phil style financial trouble.  I think the other factor is that the PGA Tour can get grueling.  It is what it is and its a nice life, but if you suddenly can play the same game, for upfront/more money and a lighter schedule, I can see that appeal.

Again, if it wasn't a regime with a huge black shroud over it that was financing it, people wouldn't question/blame the decisions at all.

In two years, guys will be required to play 15 events.  These guys also want to play tour events, allegedly.  I don’t buy the schedule BS.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 10:21:34 AM

I don't think it's that simple.  They have listed criteria for qualification.

https://www.usopen.com/qualifying/exemptions.html

https://www.masters.com/en_US/players/invitees_2022.html (toward the bottom)

As far as I can tell, they don't say anything about being a member in good standing of a PGA tour.  Of course these are the 2022 criteria, and I don't know if they have "published" criteria for 2023.  But they can't just say "but not you" to someone who would have otherwise qualified without facing a lawsuit of some sort.

But aren't they their rules? Can't the National Association of Realtors change its rules about who qualifies to be a member at any time? Augusta National certainly has changed rules to fit its agenda.

I don't know the answer to my question, but these are not public entities. If they're not discriminating against any of the groups that are protected by anti-discrimination laws, how would changing their rules be illegal?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 21, 2022, 10:32:18 AM
But aren't they their rules? Can't the National Association of Realtors change its rules about who qualifies to be a member at any time? Augusta National certainly has changed rules to fit its agenda.

I don't know the answer to my question, but these are not public entities. If they're not discriminating against any of the groups that are protected by anti-discrimination laws, how would changing their rules be illegal?
I'm not a lawyer (thank God  :D) but I don't think you have to fall under the specific groups that are protected. I think those laws just make it easier to prove discrimination.

Either way, it may be more of a anti-competitive / commerce issue. Kind of like when compute& software makers have to make competitive products available on their systems. I think DOJ has forced private companies like MS to allow for Google to work in the Windows space.

Or, I could be 100% wrong.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 10:34:49 AM
But aren't they their rules? Can't the National Association of Realtors change its rules about who qualifies to be a member at any time? Augusta National certainly has changed rules to fit its agenda.

I don't know the answer to my question, but these are not public entities. If they're not discriminating against any of the groups that are protected by anti-discrimination laws, how would changing their rules be illegal?


So you don't see a problem if organizations publish rules for qualification, which the players meet, but then afterwards change them just because?  That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.  For instance, the Masters has given lifetime exemption to all past champions, but now they are going to lift that exemption for a reason they have never published before?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 21, 2022, 11:01:24 AM
I am not a big fan of the PGA's new planned 8 event Fall series for the top guys. IMO, it gives credibility to Liv and I think that is a mistake.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
I'm not a lawyer (thank God  :D) but I don't think you have to fall under the specific groups that are protected. I think those laws just make it easier to prove discrimination.

Either way, it may be more of a anti-competitive / commerce issue. Kind of like when compute& software makers have to make competitive products available on their systems. I think DOJ has forced private companies like MS to allow for Google to work in the Windows space.

Or, I could be 100% wrong.

Doesn't the existence of LIV make any anti-competitive argument moot?
It would seem hard to argue that the Masters or some other tournament organzation is preventing you from pursuing your chosen profession when some other organization is paying you $150 million to pursue your chosen profession.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 21, 2022, 11:17:19 AM

So you don't see a problem if organizations publish rules for qualification, which the players meet, but then afterwards change them just because?  That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.  For instance, the Masters has given lifetime exemption to all past champions, but now they are going to lift that exemption for a reason they have never published before?

Not an entirely rhetorical question here, but aren't private organizations allowed to change the way they operate? They can't be perpetually bound by existing rules, right?
I'd be very surprised if the Masters' bylaws don't contain some provision allowing for Augusta National leadership to make changes in tournament operations. And, if so, as long as leadership follows the procedures laid out in the bylaws (i.e. a board vote or something of that nature), I don't think there would be anything prohibiting changes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 11:27:59 AM
I think you open yourself up for damages when you say "as a past champion, you qualify for all Masters in your lifetime," but then say "oh but only if you are on the PGA Tour" later on.

Now if the Masters added a rule that said "from now on, all past champions must be on the PGA tour to receive an exemption," that's different.

Does that make sense?

And again, just because they open themselves up to damages, that doesn't mean a court will see it the same way.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 21, 2022, 11:40:06 AM
I kind of feel the Masters will avoid doing that due to how they love having former champions back and playing.

I do see the lack of OWGR points being a way the LIV aren’t able to play. Exemptions will run out at some point. Although, a lot can change in a few years and I see LIV is applying for the OWGR points.

I think a lot of these guys like the lifestyle that comes from being a good golfer, but may not be in love with golf. That’s what makes LIV attractive that it mixes things up and is a significantly reduced schedule. For other guys, it’s the last chance at a big paycheck.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 11:47:28 AM
I think you open yourself up for damages when you say "as a past champion, you qualify for all Masters in your lifetime," but then say "oh but only if you are on the PGA Tour" later on.

Now if the Masters added a rule that said "from now on, all past champions must be on the PGA tour to receive an exemption," that's different.

Does that make sense?

And again, just because they open themselves up to damages, that doesn't mean a court will see it the same way.

That’s what the Masters would probably do.  Grandfather clause. 

The USGA and R & A can choose not to invite guys that play primarily on The Saudi Golf Tour but they can allow them to try and qualify
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 11:48:37 AM
I am not a big fan of the PGA's new planned 8 event Fall series for the top guys. IMO, it gives credibility to Liv and I think that is a mistake.

They’ll smatter the events throughout the season.  I hated the wraparound season and prefer the proposed system of guys playing for their cards in the fall.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 21, 2022, 12:03:09 PM
LIV has the Champions Tour wrapped up, kill that bloated pig.

PGA Tour will still reign with the majors aligned with them. Masters will do what they do. Players will have to qualify for the US Open. PGA and Players will not be there for them.

OWGR is really what matters here and LIV doesn’t have it. They won’t get it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 21, 2022, 12:08:15 PM
Rico

I like the guys playing for their card as well, I just would not be throwing more money around for the sake of throwing money around. As a fan, if the winner of a tournament got paid $100m it would not make event more exciting unless it was a complete unknown. More money does not mean better product, IMO.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 12:27:35 PM
Rico

I like the guys playing for their card as well, I just would not be throwing more money around for the sake of throwing money around. As a fan, if the winner of a tournament got paid $100m it would not make event more exciting unless it was a complete unknown. More money does not mean better product, IMO.

I don’t disagree.  Unfortunately, they don’t have much choice. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 21, 2022, 01:32:17 PM
Morikawa released statement reference the rumors and is staying on PGA Tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 21, 2022, 01:37:23 PM
Morikawa released statement reference the rumors and is staying on PGA Tour.

Young guys staying on Tour is all that matters. And Tiger.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 02:04:18 PM
For the 1st time in memory, I didn’t watch even a minute of a Major. I will no longer watch any tournament that includes the LIv players.

Not that it means anything - big picture. Just for my piece of mind.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 21, 2022, 02:08:08 PM
For the 1st time in memory, I didn’t watch even a minute of a Major. I will no longer watch any tournament that includes the LIv players.

Not that it means anything - big picture. Just for my piece of mind.

Wow....really Jockey?  You missed a heck of a tournament.  I just don't know if there will be a way to avoid some LIV players being in majors.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 21, 2022, 02:57:47 PM

So you don't see a problem if organizations publish rules for qualification, which the players meet, but then afterwards change them just because?  That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.  For instance, the Masters has given lifetime exemption to all past champions, but now they are going to lift that exemption for a reason they have never published before?

I don't know, Sultan. That's why I asked the questions. Looks like you don't know, either.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 21, 2022, 03:01:20 PM
I don't know, Sultan. That's why I asked the questions. Looks like you don't know, either.

Never claimed I did.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 21, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
European tour with some smart maneuvering vis-a-vis LIV . Allowing LIV to play on their tour.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/golf-news-breaking-dp-world-tour-takes-massive-decision-on-liv-golf-players/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 21, 2022, 03:32:08 PM
European tour with some smart maneuvering vis-a-vis LIV . Allowing LIV to play on their tour.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/golf-news-breaking-dp-world-tour-takes-massive-decision-on-liv-golf-players/

That’s one tournament with a field that was set
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on June 21, 2022, 03:36:47 PM
European tour with some smart maneuvering vis-a-vis LIV . Allowing LIV to play on their tour.

https://www.essentiallysports.com/golf-news-breaking-dp-world-tour-takes-massive-decision-on-liv-golf-players/

They can play in Europe before or after LIV scheduled events, which may limit their participation.  Don’t really need the money, but interesting. Do some of the weak players get automatic invites or qualifications required. DP Tour just like PGA requires a card.  Should be a complete cluster screw up going forward with all the tours. 

LIV schedule:

One in Europe
Five in US
One in Thailand
One in Saudi
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 21, 2022, 03:40:48 PM
Wow....really Jockey?  You missed a heck of a tournament.  I just don't know if there will be a way to avoid some LIV players being in majors.

How good it was is irrelevant.

Those are my principles.  The same money that funded 9/11 is funding these golfers. I want no part of it. You and others are free to believe whatever you want.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2022, 07:09:06 PM
Jockster, you sound like a dyed in the wool Republican, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 21, 2022, 07:43:34 PM
How good it was is irrelevant.

Those are my principles.  The same money that funded 9/11 is funding these golfers. I want no part of it. You and others are free to believe whatever you want.

I get it.  Unfortunately, there are repressive governments involved in a number of sports businesses.  I'm not happy about LIV but enjoy watching the Majors in particular. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 22, 2022, 04:40:25 AM
Well, sure.
But my point is you can't separate LIV from its founders, or the fact that it (and its players) are being used by a tyrannical regime to distract from its tyranny. And that the players are willing participants in said distraction.
I think one reasonably can be a critic of the PGA Tour and some of its practices, and recognize that individual players owe it nothing, while also labeling the LIV defectors for who they are.

And lest we forget, Brooks Koepka, just a few short months ago:

Koepka, speaking Wednesday, less than 24 hours after Mickelson attempted to save himself from his unflattering comments about the PGA Tour, believes somebody will “sell out” and ultimately opt for the Greg Norman-backed, Saudi-financed Super Golf League.
“I think it’s going to still keep going,” Koepka said. “I think there will still be talk. Everyone talks about money. They’ve got enough of it. I don’t see it backing down. They can just double up and they’ll figure it out. They’ll get their guys. Somebody will sell out and go to it.”


https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/02/23/brooks-koepka-pga-tour-sell-out-saudi-arabia-golf/

Two or three months ago The Atlantic had a lengthy article of an interview with Prince of Saudi Arabia.  He would not answer questions on Kashoggi but the LIV tour sounds like part of his opening SA. People were criticising it as fluffing him up but it was intriguing in that he finally allowed women to drive, opened up SA to tourism and greatly reduced visa entry requirements, he's reduced the influence of the strict Wahhabism among other things.  He said something along the lines of knowing it's not pretty but it takes someone like him and drastic actions to change and modernize SA.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 22, 2022, 10:03:07 AM
Two or three months ago The Atlantic had a lengthy article of an interview with Prince of Saudi Arabia.  He would not answer questions on Kashoggi but the LIV tour sounds like part of his opening SA. People were criticising it as fluffing him up but it was intriguing in that he finally allowed women to drive, opened up SA to tourism and greatly reduced visa entry requirements, he's reduced the influence of the strict Wahhabism among other things.  He said something along the lines of knowing it's not pretty but it takes someone like him and drastic actions to change and modernize SA.

This is not meant to be an endorsement of MBS or SA, but Ive long found MBS to be a fascinating duality.  He's very progressive, very moderate in his approach to religion and its place in ruling SA (and has a degree in Islamic law to wit), supportive of Israel as a state and harsh on Hezbollah, and clearly has a vision to make Saudi Arabia a more Westernized and less...however he's basically totalitarian in how to actually get there.  Don't interfere with his plans, even if you're trying to achieve the same goal, or else.  I mean, he imprisoned human rights activists...even though he passed the womens rights they were campaigning for.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 22, 2022, 01:55:26 PM
Is anyone actually PLAYING any golf this summer?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 22, 2022, 01:58:38 PM
Is anyone actually PLAYING any golf this summer?

Haven’t got out as much I would like. Pops just retired so we’re planning a trip to Scotland early spring.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 22, 2022, 02:07:59 PM
Is anyone actually PLAYING any golf this summer?

Got in a whopping 9 holes last week ... matching my 2021 total.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 22, 2022, 02:09:41 PM
Jockster, you sound like a dyed in the wool Republican, hey?

Are you accusing me of aiding and abetting a coup attempt?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 22, 2022, 02:10:33 PM
I get it.  Unfortunately, there are repressive governments involved in a number of sports businesses.  I'm not happy about LIV but enjoy watching the Majors in particular.

As I said, I am fine with people watching. I choose otherwise.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 22, 2022, 02:27:57 PM
Is anyone actually PLAYING any golf this summer?

My Tuesday league has been pretty toasty the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 22, 2022, 02:33:16 PM
Is anyone actually PLAYING any golf this summer?

36 at Lake Arrowhead Saturday followed by 18 at Wild Rock Sunday.  Played a bunch but the game is a mess
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on June 22, 2022, 02:37:04 PM
Is anyone actually PLAYING any golf this summer?

One round in. Between sick kids and other commitments it's been tough to get out, especially since it took until mid-May to be nice enough weather. That should change in July.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 22, 2022, 03:14:07 PM
This is not meant to be an endorsement of MBS or SA, but Ive long found MBS to be a fascinating duality.  He's very progressive, very moderate in his approach to religion and its place in ruling SA (and has a degree in Islamic law to wit), supportive of Israel as a state and harsh on Hezbollah, and clearly has a vision to make Saudi Arabia a more Westernized and less...however he's basically totalitarian in how to actually get there.  Don't interfere with his plans, even if you're trying to achieve the same goal, or else.  I mean, he imprisoned human rights activists...even though he passed the womens rights they were campaigning for.

Wags,
Exactly my thoughts. Why I thought worth sharing.  Here's the link.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/04/mohammed-bin-salman-saudi-arabia-palace-interview/622822/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 22, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
PGA Tour responds to LIV with more money and changed schedule . Not sure they needed to up the money, but I am sure the players will take it.

The  PGA initial response to LIV was not necessarily the best approach. Should have just let the players go and welcomed any that wanted to keep playing PGA tour events. PGA Tour already had rule that required players to play events that they had not played in years past in certain years. They need some of these names to spice up the fields of the lesser tournaments .   Most of the players who left for LIV were tired, injured and past their prime. The defections just created more spot for young and up coming talent to play the meaningful events.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-schedule-fedex-cup-changes?utm_medium=email&utm_source=062222&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM28970&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5



Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 22, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
Wags,
Exactly my thoughts. Why I thought worth sharing.  Here's the link.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/04/mohammed-bin-salman-saudi-arabia-palace-interview/622822/

Very interesting read, thanks

How good it was is irrelevant.

Those are my principles.  The same money that funded 9/11 is funding these golfers. I want no part of it. You and others are free to believe whatever you want.

Just wanted to revisit this based on the last few posts of discussion.  And again, lest I sound like a SA apologist, I'm not, the dichotomy is just very interesting to me.

But MBS and this Saudi ruling government is NOTHING like SA 20 years ago under King Fahd.  Fahd a very strict conservative Muslim, incredibly anti-reform and anti-West.  He didn't want Saudis to have anything to do with the US or Europe.

MBS, for his many faults and black marks, has undone tons of what those successive generations had stood for and tried to move SA into modern and more Western ways.

SA is still a human rights disaster and he deserves much of the blame for that, but tying him to 9/11 is like trashing the philanthropy of an heir to a family fortune because his distant uncle, who he wasn't close to, used some of the same pool of money for nefarious means.  Plenty of clear and glaring reasons to crap on MBS and SA, I just don't think thats one of them.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 23, 2022, 09:22:03 AM
Just wanted to revisit this based on the last few posts of discussion.  And again, lest I sound like a SA apologist, I'm not, the dichotomy is just very interesting to me.

But MBS and this Saudi ruling government is NOTHING like SA 20 years ago under King Fahd.  Fahd a very strict conservative Muslim, incredibly anti-reform and anti-West.  He didn't want Saudis to have anything to do with the US or Europe.

MBS, for his many faults and black marks, has undone tons of what those successive generations had stood for and tried to move SA into modern and more Western ways.

SA is still a human rights disaster and he deserves much of the blame for that, but tying him to 9/11 is like trashing the philanthropy of an heir to a family fortune because his distant uncle, who he wasn't close to, used some of the same pool of money for nefarious means.  Plenty of clear and glaring reasons to crap on MBS and SA, I just don't think thats one of them.
I think the vitriol against SA in the context of golf and the PGA is mostly fake outrage to justify the real issue, that the LIV is messing with a product we love, the PGA. I think that is real and justified anger. I hope the LIV fails and the all the best golfers are on one tour. I have no problem with LIV competing with the PGA but I think and hope the PGA will be ultimate winner.

I can not in good conscience root against the LIV due to the crap regime in SA without also stop buying Nike and Apple products and stop watching PGA and NBA events. (amongst many more products).

Hopefully the PGA continues with the recent changes to prioritize the players and squashes the LIV.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 23, 2022, 09:29:08 AM
I think the vitriol against SA in the context of golf and the PGA is mostly fake outrage to justify the real issue, that the LIV is messing with a product we love, the PGA. I think that is real and justified anger. I hope the LIV fails and the all the best golfers are on one tour. I have no problem with LIV competing with the PGA but I think and hope the PGA will be ultimate winner.

I can not in good conscience root against the LIV due to the crap regime in SA without also stop buying Nike and Apple products and stop watching PGA and NBA events. (amongst many more products).

Hopefully the PGA continues with the recent changes to prioritize the players and squashes the LIV.

I think there's some validity to your argument.  Although some of Norman's comments were insanely idiotic.  Frankly we really have no way of determining which products we get from China are made from Uygur slaves. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 23, 2022, 10:10:09 AM
Very interesting read, thanks

Just wanted to revisit this based on the last few posts of discussion.  And again, lest I sound like a SA apologist, I'm not, the dichotomy is just very interesting to me.

But MBS and this Saudi ruling government is NOTHING like SA 20 years ago under King Fahd.  Fahd a very strict conservative Muslim, incredibly anti-reform and anti-West.  He didn't want Saudis to have anything to do with the US or Europe.

MBS, for his many faults and black marks, has undone tons of what those successive generations had stood for and tried to move SA into modern and more Western ways.

SA is still a human rights disaster and he deserves much of the blame for that, but tying him to 9/11 is like trashing the philanthropy of an heir to a family fortune because his distant uncle, who he wasn't close to, used some of the same pool of money for nefarious means.  Plenty of clear and glaring reasons to crap on MBS and SA, I just don't think thats one of them.

Dunno, man, writing that a guy who

kidnapped people to extort their riches and then imprisoned them once they paid and

who has unilaterally executed people who were never convicted (much less saw a trial) and

who has brought untold human rights violations and suffering due to an egomaniacal proxy way and

who is recognizing Israel only because of his fear of Iran rather than some "progressive" mindset and

is actively blackmailing the USA because the White House occupants he bought and currently owns were voted out of office

is trying to modernize even through his black marks seems wildly naive.



The guy has effectively shown that making cosmetic changes (which he incrementally pulls back) that are decades overdue in any civil society worth its salt along with big splashy sporting events are just enough to get some people thinking "huh, maybe this murdering psychopath isn't so bad?"
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 23, 2022, 10:42:37 AM
Dunno, man, writing that a guy who

kidnapped people to extort their riches and then imprisoned them once they paid and

who has unilaterally executed people who were never convicted (much less saw a trial) and

who has brought untold human rights violations and suffering due to an egomaniacal proxy way and

who is recognizing Israel only because of his fear of Iran rather than some "progressive" mindset and

is actively blackmailing the USA because the White House occupants he bought and currently owns were voted out of office

is trying to modernize even through his black marks seems wildly naive.



The guy has effectively shown that making cosmetic changes (which he incrementally pulls back) that are decades overdue in any civil society worth its salt along with big splashy sporting events are just enough to get some people thinking "huh, maybe this murdering psychopath isn't so bad?"

Pragmatism in international relations, especially with Israel, as opposed to just sitting on decades old policy, is progressive.  I never said he loves Israel. 

And tell the women of SA that the changes are "cosmetic" when they can now go to dinner or the movies by themselves, in a car they drove, much less leave the country.  And as I said, he GREATLY scaled back Wahhabism in government there.  No more religious police arresting people for violating Sharia law.  No more conservative clerics dictating rules and shunning all Western influence.  If you think he's gonna walk all that back moving forward, not sure what to tell you.

And the "anti-corruption" roundup at the Ritz is the exact nuance I was talking about.  It was absurd and unheard of in the West...but there was also some truth to the fact that many people had been taking advantage of the Saudi royal family to personally enrich or embezzle.

Again, Ive not excused anything.  The proxy war in Yemen is horrible.  The Tiger Squad and mass executions in SA are horrifying. 

But that can be parallel to the fact that SA has taken steps forward.  And I'm not sure it being decades overdue matters.  If another old Saudi prince took over and kept things the way it was and kept a major player in the region in the strict Islamic dark ages, that would also be quite bad.  I think the biggest issue with the progress in SA is not that its "cosmetic", its that MBS needs absolute credit and plaudits for it and won't let it appear he's been influenced.  Its like you having a great idea at work on how to fix a major problem in your company thats existed for years.  Your boss agrees and adopts the solution, but fires you for questioning how things are done.  Except with more prison and torture.

I'm not naive.  The LIV tour or buying Newcastle United or putting on concerts with western pop stars does nothing to make me be like "these are swell guys".  I just can acknowledge the shades of grey of all of this.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 23, 2022, 11:20:34 AM
I'm not naive.  The LIV tour or buying Newcastle United or putting on concerts with western pop stars does nothing to make me be like "these are swell guys".  I just can acknowledge the shades of grey of all of this.

I dunno. Being really bad, but not as bad as his predecessors or as bad as he could be, still makes him ... really bad.
It's not as if all the terrible things he does/allows are requisite to the incremental progress being made in other areas. (And let's not go overboard here ... allowing women to drive or go outside by themselves does not make MBS some progressive hero. It just makes him slightly less backwards than those who came before him).
Ultimately, his oppression is not an unfortunate but necessary means to a benevolent end. He's still a dictator who routinely deprives people of their human rights and murders and imprisons political opponents.

It's an imperfect analogy, but it's akin to arguing that the enforcers of Jim Crow deserve some credit, because at least they were more progressive than the Fire-Eaters.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 23, 2022, 11:52:20 AM
I dunno. Being really bad, but not as bad as his predecessors or as bad as he could be, still makes him ... really bad.
It's not as if all the terrible things he does/allows are requisite to the incremental progress being made in other areas. (And let's not go overboard here ... allowing women to drive or go outside by themselves does not make MBS some progressive hero. It just makes him slightly less backwards than those who came before him).
Ultimately, his oppression is not an unfortunate but necessary means to a benevolent end. He's still a dictator who routinely deprives people of their human rights and murders and imprisons political opponents.

It's an imperfect analogy, but it's akin to arguing that the enforcers of Jim Crow deserve some credit, because at least they were more progressive than the Fire-Eaters.

Ive never tried to make him out to be a hero.  I'm just pointing out the actual progress that SA made and the difference between him and someone like Fahd years before.  SA can be a better place than it was in 2010 but still be nowhere where it should be and have a very problematic ruler.  Stalin was a POS but he helped save the world from the Nazis.  If SA continues on a progressive path, regardless of what goes on internally, and becomes more like the UAE in 10-20 years, I think that is at least some measure of a positive.

And I think a better analogy would be a segregationist who was anti-slavery
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 23, 2022, 12:19:14 PM
I think there's some validity to your argument.  Although some of Norman's comments were insanely idiotic.  Frankly we really have no way of determining which products we get from China are made from Uygur slaves.
Thank you. As for Norman, he's always stuck me as an arrogant pr!ck. I don't care for him at all. He's a good reason to not like LIV. But, I don't know maybe Jay Monahan is an arrogant d-bag too. I respect Monahan's decision on the LIV players even though I'm not sure its the right strategy but he has a hell of a fight on his hands. I might make the same decision if I was in his shoes. I do think he has to tread lightly (or not at all) on the human rights issues so as to not impugn his or the PGA's credibility.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 23, 2022, 12:30:15 PM
Thank you. As for Norman, he's always stuck me as an arrogant pr!ck. I don't care for him at all. He's a good reason to not like LIV. But, I don't know maybe Jay Monahan is an arrogant d-bag too. I respect Monahan's decision on the LIV players even though I'm not sure its the right strategy but he has a hell of a fight on his hands. I might make the same decision if I was in his shoes. I do think he has to tread lightly (or not at all) on the human rights issues so as to not impugn his or the PGA's credibility.

Norman has wanted to crush the PGA Tour for years.  He never liked the meritocracy of it and thought that shouldn’t have applied to him
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 23, 2022, 05:23:26 PM
JWags loving MBS is the least surprising development in Scoop history.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on June 23, 2022, 06:50:25 PM
Ive never tried to make him out to be a hero.  I'm just pointing out the actual progress that SA made and the difference between him and someone like Fahd years before.  SA can be a better place than it was in 2010 but still be nowhere where it should be and have a very problematic ruler.  Stalin was a POS but he helped save the world from the Nazis.  If SA continues on a progressive path, regardless of what goes on internally, and becomes more like the UAE in 10-20 years, I think that is at least some measure of a positive.

And I think a better analogy would be a segregationist who was anti-slavery

I choose not to support a Tour funded by a regime that has a rich terrorist history. And it certainly is not all in the past

I have no problem if you do support it (obviously I mean the tour, not their transgressions).
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 23, 2022, 07:29:03 PM
JWags loving MBS is the least surprising development in Scoop history.

Ok dude.  Thats exactly what Ive said.  You parachuting in to threads with nothing meaningful except to be a snarky tool is equally unsurprising.

I choose not to support a Tour funded by a regime that has a rich terrorist history. And it certainly is not all in the past

I have no problem if you do support it (obviously I mean the tour, not their transgressions).

Fair enough.  If you chalk it up to regime, no real argument there.  Anything being done currently is still on the foundation of that past ruling regime.

But what do I know, Im just a blind naive MBS fanboy apparently.  I think I'm supposedly MAGA too.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 23, 2022, 07:56:39 PM
LiV golfers banned from the Scottish Open.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 23, 2022, 08:15:45 PM
LiV golfers banned from the Scottish Open.

The Scottish Open is now a co-sanctioned event between the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour. So, not a surprise.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 23, 2022, 08:31:48 PM
The Scottish Open is now a co-sanctioned event between the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour. So, not a surprise.
Well, that should kill LIV. Or that and a ban from the John Deere.  ;D
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 23, 2022, 08:38:29 PM
https://brobible.com/sports/article/michigan-golfer-shoots-55-andrew-ruthkoski/

I wonder how much the Saudi's offered this guy.    Also, where he did it, he did not finish in the dark.    The sun does not go down that close to Lake Michigan until almost 10.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 23, 2022, 08:42:19 PM
Well, that should kill LIV. Or that and a ban from the John Deere.  ;D

LOL.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 23, 2022, 10:33:12 PM
https://brobible.com/sports/article/michigan-golfer-shoots-55-andrew-ruthkoski/

I wonder how much the Saudi's offered this guy.    Also, where he did it, he did not finish in the dark.    The sun does not go down that close to Lake Michigan until almost 10.

You know anything about the course?  I feel like its 4500 yards long
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 23, 2022, 11:51:12 PM
JWags loving MBS is the least surprising development in Scoop history.

Wags neither said nor suggested he "loves" MBS.

Wags does tend to try to play everything down the middle (and somewhat right-ish), so he can be guilty of false equivalence at times. But your characterization here is inaccurate and unfair.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 24, 2022, 12:50:40 AM
I’ve been offered tickets to the LIV event in Oregon. I’ve played the course too. I’m curious about it, but some members have quit over them holding it there, one the brother of a friend. It’s a major controversy out here.  It’s far enough outside of Portland protests shouldn’t be an issue, but I do wonder how many will actually pay $70 to go. Next weekend will be interesting.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 24, 2022, 10:00:54 AM
You know anything about the course?  I feel like its 4500 yards long

https://www.golfoakridgegc.com/

6100.    It isn't Oakmont or Whistling Straits.    55 is still 55.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on June 24, 2022, 10:32:08 AM
https://www.golfoakridgegc.com/

6100.    It isn't Oakmont or Whistling Straits.    55 is still 55.

Phff! I've shot 55 plenty of times.  Sometimes twice in one round.  ;D
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 24, 2022, 01:30:30 PM
I’ve been offered tickets to the LIV event in Oregon. I’ve played the course too. I’m curious about it, but some members have quit over them holding it there, one the brother of a friend. It’s a major controversy out here.  It’s far enough outside of Portland protests shouldn’t be an issue, but I do wonder how many will actually pay $70 to go. Next weekend will be interesting.

I wouldn’t go to that lower-rung exhibition match if they paid me $70.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 24, 2022, 01:39:57 PM
I wouldn’t go to that lower-rung exhibition match if they paid me $70.

I'm more curious about what the environment is going to be than the golf itself.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 24, 2022, 01:46:55 PM
I'm more curious about what the environment is going to be than the golf itself.

True, that could be interesting. I’ll read about it after the exhibition’s over.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 24, 2022, 01:49:57 PM
I’ll probably likely go to Rich Harvest Farms for the LIV event.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 24, 2022, 01:59:57 PM
Wags neither said nor suggested he "loves" MBS.

Wags does tend to try to play everything down the middle (and somewhat right-ish), so he can be guilty of false equivalence at times. But your characterization here is inaccurate and unfair.

Eh, it doesn’t bother me.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 04:53:08 PM
https://www.wisconsin.golf/men/wisconsin-golf-legend-archie-dadian-in-fight-for-his-life-as-cancer-returns/article_2373b640-f3cc-11ec-8860-c3285ea5ce37.html

I’ve played in events with this guy along with some other Milwaukee county legends.  One of the best to ever tee it up from Wisconsin
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on June 24, 2022, 05:08:14 PM
Rico

I did as well and big thrill of mine. Great guy and I looked up to him when I played tournaments with him. He and Mark Bemowski were my gold standard and I was lucky enough to play with Mark dozens of times.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 05:22:28 PM
Rico

I did as well and big thrill of mine. Great guy and I looked up to him when I played tournaments with him. He and Mark Bemowski were my gold standard and I was lucky enough to play with Mark dozens of times.

I never played with him but played in outings with Vern Kappes and Gene Haas.  That’s an era of Wisconsin golf that’s dusappearing.  It’s sort of interesting how it’s changed and less prominent players come out of the public links system.  Archie could have probably played on tour but a freak injury ended that chance
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 24, 2022, 05:22:42 PM
https://www.wisconsin.golf/men/wisconsin-golf-legend-archie-dadian-in-fight-for-his-life-as-cancer-returns/article_2373b640-f3cc-11ec-8860-c3285ea5ce37.html

I’ve played in events with this guy along with some other Milwaukee county legends.  One of the best to ever tee it up from Wisconsin

Randomly got paired with him on a Sunday two, maybe three years ago. What a great guy, never once mentioned his bonafides or made himself to be a big deal until I googled him later.

He wanted to exchange numbers after the round and he called the next time he was in the area to see if I wanted to play again.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 24, 2022, 05:24:15 PM
https://www.wisconsin.golf/men/wisconsin-golf-legend-archie-dadian-in-fight-for-his-life-as-cancer-returns/article_2373b640-f3cc-11ec-8860-c3285ea5ce37.html

I’ve played in events with this guy along with some other Milwaukee county legends.  One of the best to ever tee it up from Wisconsin
Tremendous article. Thanks for posting.  Rooting hard for Archie.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 05:24:53 PM
Randomly got paired with him on a Sunday two, maybe three years ago. What a great guy, never once mentioned his bonafides or made himself to be a big deal until I googled him later.

He wanted to exchange numbers after the round and he called the next time he was in the area to see if I wanted to play again.

That’s an awesome story.  I got to hear him tell tales a few years back after an outing at Wanaki
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2022, 05:26:46 PM
Tremendous article. Thanks for posting.  Rooting hard for Archie.

Let me recommend following Gary D’Amato, Dennis McCann and Rob Hernandez at WisconsinGolf.com.  They do a great job covering golf across the state at all levels
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 26, 2022, 05:55:48 PM
Absolutely brutal loss for Lexi Thompson. Those gag chippie putts are crazy.  I can't remember someone missing the entire hole dead left on a two footer.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 26, 2022, 06:01:57 PM
Absolutely brutal loss for Lexi Thompson. Those gag chippie putts are crazy.  I can't remember someone missing the entire hole dead left on a two footer.

Couldn’t happen to a better person
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 26, 2022, 06:04:44 PM
Absolutely brutal loss for Lexi Thompson. Those gag chippie putts are crazy.  I can't remember someone missing the entire hole dead left on a two footer.

The painful part is expecting it to happen.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 26, 2022, 06:05:55 PM
Couldn’t happen to a better person

I don't know anything about her personally. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 26, 2022, 06:16:51 PM
I don't know anything about her personally.

Her reputation isn’t very good inside the golf world
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 26, 2022, 06:25:28 PM
Her reputation isn’t very good inside the golf world

Okay.  I had no idea.  Maybe she'll join LIV in some capacity. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 26, 2022, 06:26:49 PM
Okay.  I had no idea.  Maybe she'll join LIV in some capacity.

She’d be on the first thing smoking if she could
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 26, 2022, 11:08:30 PM
My boy Nick Hardy finishes T8 at the Travelers. Almost 500,000 won in the last two weeks!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 27, 2022, 07:52:56 AM
My boy Nick Hardy finishes T8 at the Travelers. Almost 500,000 won in the last two weeks!

I love it, Tony. He played so well in the U.S. Open. I didn't see the Travelers, but congrats to him!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 27, 2022, 10:46:31 AM
Her reputation isn’t very good inside the golf world

Based on anything other than her playing that round with Trump?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
Based on anything other than her playing that round with Trump?

Yes.  Her dealings outside the ropes with tournament officials and volunteers has been poor. 

Professional American golfers are like 99% MAGA, men or women.  It is what it is.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 27, 2022, 11:19:02 AM
Yes.  Her dealings outside the ropes with tournament officials and volunteers has been poor. 

Professional American golfers are like 99% MAGA, men or women.  It is what it is.

Gotcha, I hadn't remembered seeing anything, just that she was usually a pretty graceful/classy player in defeat. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 27, 2022, 03:17:23 PM
Yes.  Her dealings outside the ropes with tournament officials and volunteers has been poor. 

Professional American golfers are like 99% MAGA, men or women.  It is what it is.

She LOVES the Pat Perez ball mark maneuver, a half-inch is a half-inch.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2022, 03:28:18 PM
She LOVES the Pat Perez ball mark maneuver, a half-inch is a half-inch.

In her defense, she’s so bad at putting, unless she marks it in the cup, I’m not sure it matters
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on June 27, 2022, 03:38:36 PM
This was quite the par putt.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540785922408476672
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 27, 2022, 05:25:01 PM
Given that it was a major, given that the misses cost her the title, given the length of the putts, and give the incredibly large margin she managed to miss them by ... has there ever been a worse pressure-putting performance than Thompson put on yesterday?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2022, 05:52:45 PM
Given that it was a major, given that the misses cost her the title, given the length of the putts, and give the incredibly large margin she managed to miss them by ... has there ever been a worse pressure-putting performance than Thompson put on yesterday?

Greg Norman would like a word
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 27, 2022, 06:14:53 PM
Greg Norman would like a word
Scott Hoch and Doug Samders joined the conversation
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2022, 06:21:04 PM
Scott Hoch and Doug Ford joined the conversation

Doug Sanders?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on June 27, 2022, 07:22:05 PM
Greg Norman would like a word

He and I aren't on speaking terms.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 27, 2022, 08:10:04 PM
Given that it was a major, given that the misses cost her the title, given the length of the putts, and give the incredibly large margin she managed to miss them by ... has there ever been a worse pressure-putting performance than Thompson put on yesterday?


That two footer wasn't good to put it mildly.  The only thing I can compare it to in sports is a shanked punt or a FG kicker  being 50 feet left on an extra point to win a playoff game. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 27, 2022, 08:32:56 PM
Doug Sanders?
Lol showing my age . Correction noted
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2022, 08:36:13 PM
Lol showing my age . Correction noted

Figured as much.  Couldn’t remember a Doug Ford folly like Doug Sanders at the Open. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on June 27, 2022, 08:41:23 PM
Recognize this one?

(https://24.media.tumblr.com/7a062c73cf21bfe9635538cab888ee39/tumblr_n3qrplRNZJ1sgjon6o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 27, 2022, 08:44:27 PM
Hoch?  As in....
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on June 27, 2022, 10:39:28 PM
He and I aren't on speaking terms.

Greg is such a slut.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 28, 2022, 12:17:39 PM
LIV bringing in some youngsters

https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/matthew-wolff-jumps-to-liv-golf-after-pga-tour-struggles/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 28, 2022, 06:03:43 PM
LIV bringing in some youngsters

https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/matthew-wolff-jumps-to-liv-golf-after-pga-tour-struggles/

A combined two career Tour wins between the three of them.

In the meantime, didn't think it was possible for DeChambeau to make himself any less likeable, and yet here we are.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 28, 2022, 06:15:47 PM
A combined two career Tour wins between the three of them.

In the meantime, didn't think it was possible for DeChambeau to make himself any less likeable, and yet here we are.

I’m fascinated by the argument these guys are trotting out there about “spending more time with the family” and “setting their schedule”.

1. I understand the appeal of more time away from “work” and with the family/friends.  I don’t understand competitors complaining about having to hone their craft, however.  Matthew Wolff complaining about spending time with his coach to prep for tournaments?  That’s a personal choice and the ones that want to be great practice a lot.

2. As a member of the tour, they’re required to play 15 events.  No one is making them play more unless they signed deals with sponsors and then that is a you problem, not a tour problem.  In 2 years, LIV will be 14 events across the globe.  Supposedly, these guys want to play the majors, too.  That’s 18 weeks with more severe travel. 

3. The PGA Tour schedule was a bloated mess and guys didn’t like coming aboard in January behind the playoff chase. Basically, a lot of them felt it necessary to play in the fall.  That’s a fair and valid criticism.  Yet, the top players still had priority access to any tournament they wanted. 

Basically, this isn’t a valid talking point and makes them look less as competitors IMO. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 28, 2022, 07:30:20 PM
A combined two career Tour wins between the three of them.

In the meantime, didn't think it was possible for DeChambeau to make himself any less likeable, and yet here we are.

Ortiz and the Amateur aren't anything, but Wolff is still one of the more intriguing young guys on tour.  He's had mental health struggles and taken some time away, but he still has a NCAA champ, 3 top 15 major finishes (including 2 top 5s) and was on the edge of the top 10 and is still only 23.

And as someone who has defended Bryson in the past, his comments were absolutely moronic and sounded like the 50 Cent Army.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 28, 2022, 08:43:25 PM
You're right, Brooks, we don't believe you.


“You guys will never believe me, but we didn't have the conversation [with LIV] ‘til everything was done at the U.S. Open and figured it out and just said I was going to go one way or another,” Koepka stated. “Here I am.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/brooks-koepka-says-changed-mind-200438767.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 29, 2022, 04:15:14 PM
What some of the LIV guys said in their press conference

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-bryson-dechambeau-brooks-koepka?itm_source=parsely-api
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 29, 2022, 04:19:13 PM
What some of the LIV guys said in their press conference

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-bryson-dechambeau-brooks-koepka?itm_source=parsely-api

Finally, they can control their schedules
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 29, 2022, 08:41:33 PM
Finally, they can control their schedules

I'm no expert on the PGA tour and their commissioner.  Nor am I saying that they are as pure as the driven snow.  However, this "I can't spend time with my family" narrative is pretty bizarre to me. These people play golf for a living.  This isn't exactly the same thing as playing NFL football or NHL hockey.  Not to mention the fact that wouldn't the average working man or woman sign up for playing golf Thurs-Sun, even if it's almost every week?  Obviously they practice and travel at lot but is the schedule really preventing them from seeing their families? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 29, 2022, 08:43:15 PM
Getting paid more up front to play less.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 29, 2022, 08:47:50 PM
Getting paid more up front to play less.

Yes.  Great Tower.  All of them should just admit this.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 29, 2022, 09:05:54 PM
I'm no expert on the PGA tour and their commissioner.  Nor am I saying that they are as pure as the driven snow.  However, this "I can't spend time with my family" narrative is pretty bizarre to me. These people play golf for a living.  This isn't exactly the same thing as playing NFL football or NHL hockey.  Not to mention the fact that wouldn't the average working man or woman sign up for playing golf Thurs-Sun, even if it's almost every week?  Obviously they practice and travel at lot but is the schedule really preventing them from seeing their families?

Yeah, it's complete BS.

I got a good laugh from Patrick Reed talking about the trips he took to play Euro Tour events over the past few years. Patrick made it sound like it was forced by The Tour, lol. It definitely wasn't because Patrick loves the Euro press spotlight to keep his stupid Captain America Ryder Cup bs going.

These guys are all a bunch of clowns.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 29, 2022, 10:03:56 PM
Yeah, it's complete BS.

I got a good laugh from Patrick Reed talking about the trips he took to play Euro Tour events over the past few years. Patrick made it sound like it was forced by The Tour, lol. It definitely wasn't because Patrick loves the Euro press spotlight to keep his stupid Captain America Ryder Cup bs going.

These guys are all a bunch of clowns.

Yes and no.  I was talking to my golf pro BIL at dinner tonight about it.  If we're talking the DJs or the Sergios or the Bryson's, then year, its BS.  But he said he can see the appeal for the "filler" on the tour.  They aren't the guys who are making the LIV marketable, but for them the guaranteed money and the schedule is huge.  The big guys is different, its life changing money up front, money talks.

But for lower level guys, the PGA is a slog and its very uncertain.  Comparing it to the NHL or NFL is stupid cause thats plush travel on a more or less steady/guaranteed paycheck.  For lower or mid level PGA guys, you're traveling every week, grinding to make cuts, and if you are missing cuts, you're not making any money.  And you're probably not bringing your family with you cause its expensive and you need to focus.

And playing on the PGA tour isnt like playing a couple of fun rounds with your buddies a few times a week.  Its pressure, its mentally taxing, again, your livelihood is dependent on your shots, not just who buys drinks after the round.

I'm not saying there is any need to pity professional athletes, but the whole "don't complain, you're playing a game" angle in any sport is incredibly stupid to me when you're dealing with incredible competition and cutthroat competition.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 29, 2022, 10:28:53 PM
Yes and no.  I was talking to my golf pro BIL at dinner tonight about it.  If we're talking the DJs or the Sergios or the Bryson's, then year, its BS.  But he said he can see the appeal for the "filler" on the tour.  They aren't the guys who are making the LIV marketable, but for them the guaranteed money and the schedule is huge.  The big guys is different, its life changing money up front, money talks.

But for lower level guys, the PGA is a slog and its very uncertain.  Comparing it to the NHL or NFL is stupid cause thats plush travel on a more or less steady/guaranteed paycheck.  For lower or mid level PGA guys, you're traveling every week, grinding to make cuts, and if you are missing cuts, you're not making any money.  And you're probably not bringing your family with you cause its expensive and you need to focus.

And playing on the PGA tour isnt like playing a couple of fun rounds with your buddies a few times a week.  Its pressure, its mentally taxing, again, your livelihood is dependent on your shots, not just who buys drinks after the round.

I'm not saying there is any need to pity professional athletes, but the whole "don't complain, you're playing a game" angle in any sport is incredibly stupid to me when you're dealing with incredible competition and cutthroat competition.

I'm not talking about KFT guys or PGA journeymen who are fighting for their cards and are not multimillionaires. My comments are directly solely at Reed and Koepka who have spent this week in Portland trotting out complete bs about their schedule. It's the same crap that Westwood, GMac and Sergio tried selling prior to the LIV London event. It's a joke.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on June 30, 2022, 05:14:07 AM
Yes and no.  I was talking to my golf pro BIL at dinner tonight about it.  If we're talking the DJs or the Sergios or the Bryson's, then year, its BS.  But he said he can see the appeal for the "filler" on the tour.  They aren't the guys who are making the LIV marketable, but for them the guaranteed money and the schedule is huge.  The big guys is different, its life changing money up front, money talks.

But for lower level guys, the PGA is a slog and its very uncertain.  Comparing it to the NHL or NFL is stupid cause thats plush travel on a more or less steady/guaranteed paycheck.  For lower or mid level PGA guys, you're traveling every week, grinding to make cuts, and if you are missing cuts, you're not making any money.  And you're probably not bringing your family with you cause its expensive and you need to focus.

And playing on the PGA tour isnt like playing a couple of fun rounds with your buddies a few times a week.  Its pressure, its mentally taxing, again, your livelihood is dependent on your shots, not just who buys drinks after the round.

I'm not saying there is any need to pity professional athletes, but the whole "don't complain, you're playing a game" angle in any sport is incredibly stupid to me when you're dealing with incredible competition and cutthroat competition.

I'm comparing it to the NFL and NHL only in the sense that some of these guys were complaining that their bodies were broken down because of their schedule. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 30, 2022, 08:59:39 AM
I'm comparing it to the NFL and NHL only in the sense that some of these guys were complaining that their bodies were broken down because of their schedule.

You don't think hitting hundreds, if not thousands, of shots a week is taxing?  Again, you're seemingly portraying the golf that pros play as similar to the casual golfer fun rounds, which isn't remotely true.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 30, 2022, 09:03:44 AM
You don't think hitting hundreds, if not thousands, of shots a week is taxing?  Again, you're seemingly portraying the golf that pros play as similar to the casual golfer fun rounds, which isn't remotely true.

It isn’t.  It’s a silly comparison and I’ve seen it made for years.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 30, 2022, 09:16:32 AM
Do all the pros still have to play in the Pro-Ams the Wednesday before the tournament too?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 30, 2022, 09:27:33 AM
Do all the pros still have to play in the Pro-Ams the Wednesday before the tournament too?

No
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 30, 2022, 10:38:58 AM
You don't think hitting hundreds, if not thousands, of shots a week is taxing?  Again, you're seemingly portraying the golf that pros play as similar to the casual golfer fun rounds, which isn't remotely true.

Taxing compared to the existence of your average white collar worker? Sure
Taxing compared to playing 100+ NHL or NBA games over nine months? No. That's a laughable comparison.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on June 30, 2022, 10:54:16 AM
Taxing compared to the existence of your average white collar worker? Sure
Taxing compared to playing 100+ NHL or NBA games over nine months? No. That's a laughable comparison.

I never said it was the same level, im not an idiot.  But it doesn't have to be that extent to be taxing or have your body break down.  Burn out, especially mental, which also plays into the physical, is very real.

People are pissed about LIV, for some very legit reasons.  But they are creating silly arguments to try to diminish anything.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on June 30, 2022, 11:32:57 AM
I never said it was the same level, im not an idiot.  But it doesn't have to be that extent to be taxing or have your body break down.  Burn out, especially mental, which also plays into the physical, is very real.

People are pissed about LIV, for some very legit reasons.  But they are creating silly arguments to try to diminish anything.

Plus, it may not be as physically taxing, but the mental expense and the time is probably similar. Add in the global travel and sponsor requirements, and it’s not a lifestyle without sacrifices.

That said, I’m not sure how much LIV is going to help with that. I would guess guys have even less flexibility on the tournaments they play. I’m not sure how easily guys can miss a LIV tournament. Once it gets to 14 events, it’s pretty comparable I feel.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 30, 2022, 11:58:54 AM
I never said it was the same level, im not an idiot.  But it doesn't have to be that extent to be taxing or have your body break down.  Burn out, especially mental, which also plays into the physical, is very real.

People are pissed about LIV, for some very legit reasons.  But they are creating silly arguments to try to diminish anything.

One of the things that I have pondered with the rise of LIV is wondering if pro golfers have too long of a career? Is there another sport where the top players consistently play for 25+ years? This longevity becomes an issue because the needs/expectations of a pro in their 40s is very different than a guy in his 20s.

In addition, culturally there's an issue with the game that guys just don't retire. If you can keep your card, you continue the grind. Even for players that are financially set. This partly due to the allure of a rebirth on the Champions Tour, which is one of the reasons I very much dislike the Champions Tour. Instead of moving on, it keeps guys hanging on.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on June 30, 2022, 02:08:59 PM
You don't think hitting hundreds, if not thousands, of shots a week is taxing?  Again, you're seemingly portraying the golf that pros play as similar to the casual golfer fun rounds, which isn't remotely true.

I can only hit about 30 balls or so at the driving range before my hands tire and the shots get real squirrely (as opposed to the normal level of squirrely). That's why I rarely bit balls before a round of golf. I don't know how a guy like Vijay Singh in his prime did it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on June 30, 2022, 02:42:30 PM
Therapeutic.  Addicted to the feel of a well struck shot leaving the club face
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on June 30, 2022, 03:31:49 PM
One of the things that I have pondered with the rise of LIV is wondering if pro golfers have too long of a career? Is there another sport where the top players consistently play for 25+ years? This longevity becomes an issue because the needs/expectations of a pro in their 40s is very different than a guy in his 20s.

In addition, culturally there's an issue with the game that guys just don't retire. If you can keep your card, you continue the grind. Even for players that are financially set. This partly due to the allure of a rebirth on the Champions Tour, which is one of the reasons I very much dislike the Champions Tour. Instead of moving on, it keeps guys hanging on.

This is a really great point. Most of these guys will continue to play professionally and engage with sponsors, traveling across the country and world to do so, as long as their bodies will allow it ... and well past the point where they've obtained generational wealth.
Which all seems to belie the LIV players' complaints of how hard it all is.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 30, 2022, 04:02:31 PM
One of the things that I have pondered with the rise of LIV is wondering if pro golfers have too long of a career? Is there another sport where the top players consistently play for 25+ years? This longevity becomes an issue because the needs/expectations of a pro in their 40s is very different than a guy in his 20s.

In addition, culturally there's an issue with the game that guys just don't retire. If you can keep your card, you continue the grind. Even for players that are financially set. This partly due to the allure of a rebirth on the Champions Tour, which is one of the reasons I very much dislike the Champions Tour. Instead of moving on, it keeps guys hanging on.

The PGA Tour would be wise to scale back the geriatric tour and focus money and resources elsewhere
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on June 30, 2022, 04:42:59 PM
The PGA Tour would be wise to scale back the geriatric tour and focus money and resources elsewhere
Champions Tour raises good money for Charities . It also allows sponsors a lower price point for entry.

Great example locally we had Furyk and Friends generate over $1,000,000 for charity in year one.

https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2022/05/10/furyk-friends-looking-to-build-on-117-million-in-charitable-impact-in-2nd-tournament/


The tour also extends its brand because it keeps the name of past stars out there. People love seeing guys like Ernie Els , John Daly etc in person and up close .

In some respects LIV can help the PGA tour by soaking up the over hill gang in their 40s that they are attracting . Gives them a transitional tour to play in before they go to The Champions
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 30, 2022, 05:15:12 PM
This is a really great point. Most of these guys will continue to play professionally and engage with sponsors, traveling across the country and world to do so, as long as their bodies will allow it ... and well past the point where they've obtained generational wealth.
Which all seems to belie the LIV players' complaints of how hard it all is.

Perfect example is Pat Perez this week. He comes out and talks about missing the birth of his son because of the Fed Ex Cup playoff. At first glance, sounds rough. But, then I think... This is the same Pat Perez that's 46 years old, hasn't won on Tour in 5 years and has a career earnings of nearly $30 million. And, oh, he's been out on Tour since 2002 and has a great pension waiting for him. Why is he grinding it out?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 30, 2022, 06:41:56 PM
Champions Tour raises good money for Charities . It also allows sponsors a lower price point for entry.

Great example locally we had Furyk and Friends generate over $1,000,000 for charity in year one.

https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2022/05/10/furyk-friends-looking-to-build-on-117-million-in-charitable-impact-in-2nd-tournament/


The tour also extends its brand because it keeps the name of past stars out there. People love seeing guys like Ernie Els , John Daly etc in person and up close .


  steve stricker is also a great ambassador for the game regardless of the level
In some respects LIV can help the PGA tour by soaking up the over hill gang in their 40s that they are attracting . Gives them a transitional tour to play in before they go to The Champions
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on June 30, 2022, 08:15:27 PM
Champions Tour raises good money for Charities . It also allows sponsors a lower price point for entry.

Great example locally we had Furyk and Friends generate over $1,000,000 for charity in year one.

https://www.news4jax.com/sports/2022/05/10/furyk-friends-looking-to-build-on-117-million-in-charitable-impact-in-2nd-tournament/


The tour also extends its brand because it keeps the name of past stars out there. People love seeing guys like Ernie Els , John Daly etc in person and up close .

In some respects LIV can help the PGA tour by soaking up the over hill gang in their 40s that they are attracting . Gives them a transitional tour to play in before they go to The Champions

It’s completely subsidized and hardly anyone watches it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on June 30, 2022, 08:52:37 PM
The PGA Tour would be wise to scale back the geriatric tour and focus money and resources elsewhere

It would much better for pro golf if the dollars from the Champions Tour went to Korn Ferry instead.

Unfortunately, it won't happen. Because as much as the LIV defectors claim the Tour is run by corporate bureaucrats, it's still a members based organization. And, too many tour players want their Champions Tour run in their early 50s.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 02, 2022, 08:29:44 PM
Watched the LIV Golf tournament at Pumpkin Ridge on the LIV website . Seems like the Fans and the Players were enjoying themselves . Brandon Grace chipped in on 16 from a bad lie and won the event . Second week in a row a South African won.

It is essentially a Champions Tour format with a team aspect thrown in . Not sure PGA Tour and European Tour have much to worry about .

LIV will need to get a TV Contract otherwise at some point the money will run out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 02, 2022, 08:46:48 PM
The money runs out when the Saudis decide they are not getting a benefit.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 02, 2022, 10:23:02 PM
Half Moon Bay (Ocean) was well worth the $185.  Tremendous course and quite challenging.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 03, 2022, 08:45:51 AM
The money runs out when the Saudis decide they are not getting a benefit.
I hope it happens sooner than later but I think it will be later.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 03, 2022, 11:24:41 AM
Some positive comments from
Fans regarding the experience at Pumpkin Ridge. $5 beers, changing stations for toddlers and an opportunity to see the stars among others

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/06/30/liv-tour-stop-oregon-pleases-fans-who-want-see-big-time-golf/7784192001/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on July 03, 2022, 02:13:37 PM
Some positive comments from
Fans regarding the experience at Pumpkin Ridge. $5 beers, changing stations for toddlers and an opportunity to see the stars among others

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2022/06/30/liv-tour-stop-oregon-pleases-fans-who-want-see-big-time-golf/7784192001/

Not surprising given the amount of advertising spend LIV has done in USA Today’s pages the last month.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 03, 2022, 07:39:46 PM
I hit a 195 yard 6 iron yesterday. 165 yards straight and 30 yards left into the tall straw.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on July 03, 2022, 08:07:32 PM
I hit a 195 yard 6 iron yesterday. 165 yards straight and 30 yards left into the tall straw.

So…..$50 million from LIV?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on July 03, 2022, 10:06:58 PM
I hit a 195 yard 6 iron yesterday. 165 yards straight and 30 yards left into the tall straw.

The perfect game improvement iron shot.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 04, 2022, 08:20:39 PM
I hit a 195 yard 6 iron yesterday. 165 yards straight and 30 yards left into the tall straw.

That's still some solid pop Spaniel.  Just work a little on your power mini fade. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 06, 2022, 11:53:57 AM
A sad day.  The 15 year old son pushing a cart walks faster than 56 year old me carrying my bag.   Sigh.  The circle of life.   The good news is we walked 18 in 3 hours.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on July 06, 2022, 03:24:18 PM
Get rid of a couple of clubs and you'll be back in front in no time. Who needs 14 clubs? I always dump my fairway wood, 4, 6, 8 irons and gap wedge when I travel.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 09, 2022, 08:42:05 AM
Norman blackbailed from the 150 yr Open Championship festivities. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 09, 2022, 11:19:58 AM
Norman blackbailed from the 150 yr Open Championship festivities.

Could easily be cause he's a jackass as much as actual LIV reasons
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 09, 2022, 12:25:11 PM
May have just done it for giggles.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 09, 2022, 01:45:20 PM
Phil chooses Norman over the R&A.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 09, 2022, 01:56:30 PM
Phil chooses Norman over the R&A.

Meaning what Tower? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 09, 2022, 02:15:59 PM
He reportedly will not be participating in the former champion activities.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 09, 2022, 02:26:13 PM
He reportedly will not be participating in the former champion activities.

Oh....I forgot he won an Open Championship. 

What do you usually chip with Tower?  I was just curious?   I bought a new 56 W and fking love the thing.   I am quite strong with little bump and r's with my 9i but this thing is like automatic. It's a lot of fun to have tap in up and downs.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 09, 2022, 02:33:10 PM
56 degree wedge.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 09, 2022, 02:37:29 PM
56 degree wedge.

I bought a used Mizuno S18  56  for $55.  It's like magic.  Maybe it's the wider grooves but I'm stopping these shots on a dime.  I feel like Andrew Rowsey at the FT line, it's awesome. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 09, 2022, 02:38:32 PM
Good chipping covers up a lot of inadequacies.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 09, 2022, 02:45:13 PM
Good chipping covers up a lot of inadequacies.

Yes.  My short game overall is quite solid.  Where I have a few problems is my length off the tee and controlling and stopping my long irons or 4H.  I just worked on chipping and putting for a little over an hour.  My game has gotten much better the less the I spend at the range and the more time I spend practicing around the greens. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 09, 2022, 09:06:14 PM
the fall out continues with LIV golfers-sponsorships are being "paused" or rescinded.  not sure how that will work out for either party

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34217913/mastercard-pauses-endorsement-deals-liv-tour-golfers-ian-poulter-graeme-mcdowell


along the same lines, the owner of our golf club, legends, just cancelled the "shark experience" on all of his golf carts. we have 4 golf courses so that covers A LOT of golf carts.  for those of you unaware of what that is, it's the bluetooth connection used to stream info, post scores for ongoing events, music, etc.  i didn't realize the correlation duh, shark=greg norman until he sent out the group email explaining his decision
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 10, 2022, 07:23:31 AM
Billy Hoyle, did you attend the LIV golf event in your back yard?  If yes, how was it?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on July 10, 2022, 08:50:36 AM
Two days after saying the PGA Tour, DP World tour and LIV should try to "come together a little bit more," Rory flipped back to his original stance: "There’s no room in the golf world for LIV Golf. I don’t agree with what LIV is doing. If LIV went away tomorrow I’d be super happy."
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 10, 2022, 10:46:45 AM
Oh....I forgot he won an Open Championship. 


Two of them actually. He was a great golfer but better at being an arrogant ass.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 11, 2022, 05:33:18 PM
The DOJ is apparently investigating the PGA Tour over antitrust  violations.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2022, 05:42:46 PM
The DOJ is apparently investigating the PGA Tour over antitrust  violations.

Incredible timing
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 11, 2022, 05:49:16 PM
Well, good to know the DOJ investigates something.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2022, 06:05:12 PM
Well, good to know the DOJ investigates something.

You just have to know the right people to get it weaponized
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 11, 2022, 06:22:06 PM
You just have to know the right people to get it weaponized

Yep. School Boards have Merritt Garland on speed dial.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Mutaman on July 11, 2022, 06:47:56 PM
Yep. School Boards have Merritt Garland on speed dial.

If a right wing politician makes a dopey statement on Fox and Friends, it must be true.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 11, 2022, 08:26:10 PM
I'm a little concerned more players will jump to LIV.  Norman reminds me of Virgil Sollozzo. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 16, 2022, 08:33:24 AM
I'm a little concerned more players will jump to LIV.  Norman reminds me of Virgil Sollozzo.

Newest member of LIV

(https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/220715123924-01b-biden-mbs-fist-bump.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_270,w_480,c_fill)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 16, 2022, 11:07:33 AM
Newest member of LIV

(https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/220715123924-01b-biden-mbs-fist-bump.jpg?c=16x9&q=h_270,w_480,c_fill)

i don't think branden's much of a golfer except with hunter and his "business partners"...whoopsie...wait...
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 12:16:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAZra_6UMAEo1HI?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 16, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
i don't think branden's much of a golfer except with hunter and his "business partners"...whoopsie...wait...

You can’t even get the correct spelling of Brandon correct.  Marquette should be ashamed of itself for giving you a degree.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 07:01:20 AM
Stenson joins Saudi golf and loses Ryder Cup captaincy
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on July 20, 2022, 07:10:22 AM
I heard yesterday that the Saudi league was not accepting more players for 2023, has any else heard or read that? At some point they will have a lot of guys sitting on the sidelines if they do not cap things off. That said, I think having two groups on every tee box in a shotgun would be fitting for the league.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 07:16:33 AM
I heard yesterday that the Saudi league was not accepting more players for 2023, has any else heard or read that? At some point they will have a lot of guys sitting on the sidelines if they do not cap things off. That said, I think having two groups on every tee box in a shotgun would be fitting for the league.

Norman said that himself and that they’d re-evaluate if they need to
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 20, 2022, 07:28:06 AM
Future European Ryder Cup captains....

ouch.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 20, 2022, 07:56:44 AM
Waitin' on LIV dentistry to offer me, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 08:25:49 AM
Future European Ryder Cup captains....

ouch.

Luke Donald, Paul Lawrie, Justin Rose (assuming he doesn’t bounce) would be fine.  They’ve done well with less than known guys like Paul McGinley.  Dodo Molinari will get some push, too.  He’s pretty well-respected within the Euro Tour and is big into analytics
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 20, 2022, 08:37:17 AM
Luke Donald, Paul Lawrie, Justin Rose (assuming he doesn’t bounce) would be fine.  They’ve done well with less than known guys like Paul McGinley.  Dodo Molinari will get some push, too.  He’s pretty well-respected within the Euro Tour and is big into analytics

It will be Bjorn.

Do we know what's happening with the President’s Cup?   Both of these events could be completely ruined. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 08:38:23 AM
It will be Bjorn.

Do we know what's happening with the President’s Cup?   Both of these events could be completely ruined.

That’s Norman’s goal
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 20, 2022, 08:45:52 AM
That’s Norman’s goal

Well he's succeeding.  Obviously LIV wasn't interested in Stenson's golf skills.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 08:50:02 AM
Well he's succeeding.  Obviously LIV wasn't interested in Stenson's golf skills.

Easy mark.  He lost all his money about a decade ago. He’s recouped a lot of it but he’s not as wealthy as he should be
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on July 20, 2022, 08:53:28 AM
Double Dribble

With all the Brits hitting LIV I do not think have a team dentist is far behind.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 20, 2022, 08:58:49 AM
Easy mark.  He lost all his money about a decade ago. He’s recouped a lot of it but he’s not as wealthy as he should be

It was a power move because of the Ryder Cup.  It's going to be a rough time for a few years for professional golf.  Unless it's conceivable that a hammer counter-move can be executed by the PGA and those in charge of the Majors.  LiV getting young stars is an enormous problem. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on July 20, 2022, 09:03:27 AM
Rico

I think a few of the Euro guys have taken some hits financially over the years. Many of the UK guys had Chubby Chandler as an agent and he lost them all and has now disappeared from the scene. Something tells me the new LIV guys are playing catch up on lost money from poor decisions.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 09:14:02 AM
Rico

I think a few of the Euro guys have taken some hits financially over the years. Many of the UK guys had Chubby Chandler as an agent and he lost them all and has now disappeared from the scene. Something tells me the new LIV guys are playing catch up on lost money from poor decisions.

Definitely.  Westwood got taking to the cleaners in his divorce.  Poulter’s clothing line was a bust and he likes to buy cars.  Sergio is just a wanker.

A guy like McDowell probably thought this was his last chance to cash in and didn’t understand the potential backlash or refused to believe it would happen.  If I’ve learned one thing or had one thing reinforced is, these guys aren’t very smart
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 09:46:05 AM
No Laying Up reporting Charles Howell III joining Saudi Golf League this week as well.  Ok
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on July 20, 2022, 09:49:02 AM
A guy like McDowell probably thought this was his last chance to cash in and didn’t understand the potential backlash or refused to believe it would happen.  If I’ve learned one thing or had one thing reinforced is, these guys aren’t very smart

For better or worse, I also think there is just a different perspective on doing business with unsavory foreign nations among the internationals.  I don't claim to be up on the European coverage of LIV, so someone can tell me if I'm totally off-base, but I suspect that it is generally less concerned about the evils of sportswashing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 20, 2022, 10:07:05 AM
For better or worse, I also think there is just a different perspective on doing business with unsavory foreign nations among the internationals.  I don't claim to be up on the European coverage of LIV, so someone can tell me if I'm totally off-base, but I suspect that it is generally less concerned about the evils of sportswashing.

European soccer clubs have been doing tours of the Middle East and China as oil money grabs for a decade plus.  Not to mention the number of Middle Eastern royals that own soccer clubs.  The UK has been plenty cozy with Dubai/UAE for a long time.  I don't know for certain either but I think its likely less of a concern.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 20, 2022, 10:15:26 AM
Yeah, I mean, how many Newcastle United fans are all that upset about the Saudis purchasing their team?

I think its because this just doesn't happen all that often in American sports. There is maybe a handful of NFL, NBA and MLB teams with any foreign involvement in ownership, none of whom have their roots in middle east oil money.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 20, 2022, 10:20:09 AM
Yeah, I mean, how many Newcastle United fans are all that upset about the Saudis purchasing their team?

I think its because this just doesn't happen all that often in American sports. There is maybe a handful of NFL, NBA and MLB teams with any foreign involvement in ownership, none of whom have their roots in middle east oil money.

Yea if Newcastle, with a money infusion, return to the mid 90s Shearer years, much less win a title or have Champions League success, they will be be doing chants praising everything Saudi and put a statue of MBS outside St James Park
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 20, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
No Laying Up reporting Charles Howell III joining Saudi Golf League this week as well.  Ok
Would be surprising if true. As he is known as Human ATM on tour, just keeps cranking our earnings year after year, without winning much. 

Although, He is good friends with Sergio, so who knows?.

The PGA Tour response with changed schedule and making it more of a battle to retain tour card may be influencing his decision. Right now he can make top 125 each year, with the new rules I think they are going back to top 60 and then a dog fight to get to 125 ( dont know exactly how it will work)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2022, 10:44:51 AM
European soccer clubs have been doing tours of the Middle East and China as oil money grabs for a decade plus.  Not to mention the number of Middle Eastern royals that own soccer clubs.  The UK has been plenty cozy with Dubai/UAE for a long time.  I don't know for certain either but I think its likely less of a concern.

A lot of these European players have an axe to grind with the PGA Tour and America in general as well.  It may not bubble above the surface but there’s resentment they had to come to the states and make big bucks, even though a majority of the LIV events will be in the states.  It’s a perfect storm.

I do believe there has been more of a recent turn against foreign ownership in sports in England, especially after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.  I don’t think the Glazer family is very much liked, either
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 20, 2022, 10:46:34 AM
The Glazer family isn't much like because they seem to be prioritizing Manchester United as a moneymaking brand versus a soccer club.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 20, 2022, 01:08:20 PM
I do believe there has been more of a recent turn against foreign ownership in sports in England, especially after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.  I don’t think the Glazer family is very much liked, either

Only when their club isn't performing.  Nobody in Manchester wearing blue has an issue with City Football Group or what womens rights are in Abu Dhabi.  Nobody had a problem with Abramovich when the silverware was rolling in.

There are 4 EPL clubs with UK ownership.  Another 7 in the championship.  Its either neutral parties grandstanding or people upset with their clubs results.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 20, 2022, 01:25:40 PM
Double Dribble

With all the Brits hitting LIV I do not think have a team dentist is far behind.



Nice knowin' y'all, but I'd be on first private jet to prune da King's choppers, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on July 20, 2022, 01:28:18 PM
A lot of these European players have an axe to grind with the PGA Tour and America in general as well.  It may not bubble above the surface but there’s resentment they had to come to the states and make big bucks, even though a majority of the LIV events will be in the states.  It’s a perfect storm.

I agree, but what don't they like?? Is it their American wives? The Florida/Texas weather? The lower taxes?

It is funny how many of the Euros stay in the US well after the prime of their playing careers are over.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 20, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
I agree, but what don't they like?? It is their American wives? The Florida/Texas weather? The lower taxes?

It is funny how many of the Euros stay in the US well after the prime of their playing careers are over.

He just said it.  If they could make the same money playing the Euro Tour, they would.  Maybe they don't like that the Euro Tour isn't supported better, idk.

And staying where your job is, or where the most post-playing career opportunities are doesn't necessarily mean you love everything about it. 

Hell, I have a mutual friend who moved to London in his mid 20s and still lives there for work.  He's got a great job making exceptionally good money living in a city I adore.  But he complains about it and not so subtly takes jabs at everything British.  Yet, he's moved roles twice since he went over there, and could do something similar in the states, but the opportunities and comp for him are better there.  He has a British wife and 2 kids and likely will be there for at least a further decade or more.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on July 20, 2022, 02:13:58 PM
He just said it.  If they could make the same money playing the Euro Tour, they would.  Maybe they don't like that the Euro Tour isn't supported better, idk.

And staying where your job is, or where the most post-playing career opportunities are doesn't necessarily mean you love everything about it. 

Hell, I have a mutual friend who moved to London in his mid 20s and still lives there for work.  He's got a great job making exceptionally good money living in a city I adore.  But he complains about it and not so subtly takes jabs at everything British.  Yet, he's moved roles twice since he went over there, and could do something similar in the states, but the opportunities and comp for him are better there.  He has a British wife and 2 kids and likely will be there for at least a further decade or more.

Sure, they might not love everything about it, but please don't tell me they hate it. They have the means to live anywhere in the world, and yet, here they are living in Jupiter or the Dallas burbs. Joining LIV isn't going to change that either.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 20, 2022, 02:34:37 PM
For better or worse, I also think there is just a different perspective on doing business with unsavory foreign nations among the internationals.  I don't claim to be up on the European coverage of LIV, so someone can tell me if I'm totally off-base, but I suspect that it is generally less concerned about the evils of sportswashing.
So they have the same perspective as the PGA and our President "on doing business with unsavory foreign nations"?

I don't want to see LIV succeed, but the moral high ground perspective is so full of holes you could drive a truck through them. 

Norman is an ass, the product is inferior, there is no tradition. Good enough for me.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 20, 2022, 03:10:54 PM
Sure, they might not love everything about it, but please don't tell me they hate it. They have the means to live anywhere in the world, and yet, here they are living in Jupiter or the Dallas burbs. Joining LIV isn't going to change that either.

Nobody said anything about "hating it".  Just that there is some resentment towards the PGA and the American-centric nature of it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on July 20, 2022, 03:43:05 PM
Nobody said anything about "hating it".  Just that there is some resentment towards the PGA and the American-centric nature of it.

I think that resentment is pretty dumb, but hey, that's my bad take.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 20, 2022, 04:11:24 PM
Henrik Stenson Instagram post on joining LIV

https://twitter.com/henrikstenson/status/1549802896547610624?cxt=HHwWgIC8ib7hgIIrAAAA

LIV press release on Stenson, Jason Kokrak and Charles Howell III

https://www.livgolf.com/news/henrik-stenson-jason-kokrak-charles-howell-iii-join-liv-golf
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 20, 2022, 05:27:24 PM
Interesting Letter to the Editor in Golf Digest
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-not-to-be-underestimated
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on July 21, 2022, 02:49:43 PM
Happy Masters ticket application rejection day, everyone. One of these years...*

*probably not
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on July 21, 2022, 03:57:02 PM
Happy Masters ticket application rejection day, everyone. One of these years...*

*probably not

Lucky enough to get Wednesday tickets
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 04:44:34 PM
Lucky enough to get Wednesday tickets

Did that in ‘18.  Par-3 day.  Fun day
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 21, 2022, 04:44:43 PM
Interview  with Greg Norman in The Palm Beach Post

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2022/07/12/greg-norman-liv-golf-pga-tour-firestorm-more-exclusive-q-a/10033337002/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 04:53:41 PM
Interview  with Greg Norman in The Palm Beach Post

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2022/07/12/greg-norman-liv-golf-pga-tour-firestorm-more-exclusive-q-a/10033337002/

Great.  A women’s LIV Tour as well. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 21, 2022, 04:56:08 PM
The women would have to hit fairway woods and hybrids off the tee, since the Saudi's don't want them to drive.  Also, would there be wardrobe rules?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
The women would have to hit fairway woods and hybrids off the tee, since the Saudi's don't want them to drive.  Also, would there be wardrobe rules?

The Saudi government is changing.  They let women in restaurants now.  It’s all good
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on July 21, 2022, 06:09:47 PM
Interview  with Greg Norman in The Palm Beach Post

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2022/07/12/greg-norman-liv-golf-pga-tour-firestorm-more-exclusive-q-a/10033337002/

Greg is really laying it on thick here. Pure comedy.

My favorite part is him telling us he needed to sell the players on the business model, lol.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 21, 2022, 06:38:38 PM
The Saudi government is changing.  They let women in restaurants now.  It’s all good

They knocked down the cement walls that used to separate men from women/families down the middle of restaurants.  Ridyah is basically Bryn Mawr by this point.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2022, 06:52:50 PM
They knocked down the cement walls that used to separate men from women/families down the middle of restaurants.  Ridyah is basically Bryn Mawr by this point.

At least they can’t drive, unlike Biden’s America
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on July 21, 2022, 08:43:12 PM
Did that in ‘18.  Par-3 day.  Fun day

Looking forward to it, despite a decent ending our Sunday trip in ‘19 was cut short and they went off split tees. Never got to really explore the property.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 22, 2022, 04:41:04 AM
Looking forward to it, despite a decent ending our Sunday trip in ‘19 was cut short and they went off split tees. Never got to really explore the property.

Practice rounds are a great way to explore the property.  Actually, during part of the par-3 isn’t a bad time to do some of that as the course is really open.  We stayed until the end of the day and watched them prep the course.  It’s a wild symphony of people and equipment
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on July 22, 2022, 09:28:27 AM
Augusta National is one of the very small number of places I’ve gone to with very high expectations … only to have those expectations exceeded.

Anyone who gets the chance to walk the grounds should do so.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: swoopem on July 22, 2022, 09:58:42 AM
A buddy hit the lotto for the Monday practice round for 4 tickets. He’s a MU alum and invited myself and 2 other MU alums.

 That Monday is also the national championship. He already booked a hotel and everything but I told him we might need to shift our attention to Houston and bail on the masters
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on July 27, 2022, 12:19:12 PM
LIV adding more money and more events.  :(
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 27, 2022, 12:49:44 PM
And reaching out to Anthony Kim.

Now that would get my attention.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on July 27, 2022, 12:54:01 PM
And reaching out to Anthony Kim.

Now that would get my attention.

Why??
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 27, 2022, 12:55:09 PM
The myth fascinates me.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 27, 2022, 02:30:49 PM
Apparently, after you sell your soul to LIV, they have the option of uninviting you.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 28, 2022, 09:34:46 PM
Caitlyn (aka Bruce ) Jenner was at the LIV Pro AM today. Paul Casey who played with Caitlyn commented “ she hits it well”

https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/trump-barkley-caitlyn-jenner-highlight-liv-golf-pro-am/amp/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2022, 04:58:34 PM
The Blood Money Tour is playing on a course that’s a few miles from Ground Zero, the site of the Saudis’ 9/11 attack on America.

Perfect.

In other news, Barkley turns down the twat Greg Norman, stays with TNT.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 29, 2022, 05:17:03 PM
Caitlyn (aka Bruce ) Jenner was at the LIV Pro AM today. Paul Casey who played with Caitlyn commented “ she hits it well”

https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/trump-barkley-caitlyn-jenner-highlight-liv-golf-pro-am/amp/

Dead naming probably isn't necessary.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2022, 05:55:36 PM
Speaking of Bedminster

https://twitter.com/nothoodlum/status/1553119992329158666?s=21&t=-OXjSksfQfSf3ChPHe48vA
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on July 30, 2022, 10:59:43 AM
Speaking of Bedminster

https://twitter.com/nothoodlum/status/1553119992329158666?s=21&t=-OXjSksfQfSf3ChPHe48vA

Ghoulish.

Then again, in death as in life for a kept woman who was treated like a tchotchke from a first trip abroad for the better part of her life.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on July 30, 2022, 01:26:24 PM
Speaking of Bedminster

https://twitter.com/nothoodlum/status/1553119992329158666?s=21&t=-OXjSksfQfSf3ChPHe48vA

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1553134776009326592?t=WuZ8mce5BsdVCN1zo98bPA&s=19
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on July 30, 2022, 03:49:36 PM
Speaking of Bedminster

https://twitter.com/nothoodlum/status/1553119992329158666?s=21&t=-OXjSksfQfSf3ChPHe48vA

Hope he at least put her in a garbage bag before dumping her body.

Classy as always.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on July 30, 2022, 04:28:08 PM
Speaking of Bedminster

https://twitter.com/nothoodlum/status/1553119992329158666?s=21&t=-OXjSksfQfSf3ChPHe48vA

Simple and understated.  Goes perfectly in-line with the Trump brand.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 30, 2022, 05:18:00 PM
Watched some of the LIV. Course is long and pins cut right to the edge of the green . Crowd has that distinct Jersey vibe going. Kind of like a Seton Hall game lol
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2022, 06:02:34 PM
Watched some of the LIV. Course is long and pins cut right to the edge of the green . Crowd has that distinct Jersey vibe going. Kind of like a Seton Hall game lol

Anyone hit Ivana’s grave?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on July 31, 2022, 08:49:34 AM
Anyone hit Ivana’s grave?

No wonder he buried her like you would bury a cat in the backyard. Under NJ state law, he will get a tax break for this.

Once a grifter, always a grifter.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2022, 03:35:17 PM
Finau is on freaking 🔥.   

The man has the easiest looking power game in golf.  He doesn't even take a full backswing and the ball explodes off the face of his clubs.  I've always liked the guy, very cool customer.  I really hope he gets a major or two.  Dude just effortlessly popped a 328 yrd mini-fade.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on July 31, 2022, 03:52:29 PM
According to the other players, one of the nicest guys out there.   

He has a hot putter right now.   With a hot putter, he is as good as anyone.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on July 31, 2022, 05:24:27 PM
No wonder he buried her like you would bury a cat in the backyard. Under NJ state law, he will get a tax break for this.

Once a grifter, always a grifter.

Read that the tax benefits cannot exceed ten acres, there’s probably 400 acres at Bedminster.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on July 31, 2022, 05:54:17 PM
According to the other players, one of the nicest guys out there.   

He has a hot putter right now.   With a hot putter, he is as good as anyone.

True dat Tower.  It seems like it's always been about the putter for him.  The guy has tremendous natural talent.  You can tell he's an athlete.  Perhaps the floodgates will open the next couple of years and he'll snag a Major or two.  There's no strain in his swing whatsoever.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2022, 09:05:34 PM
Watched the final round of The LIV. The mics were set up to hear the fans . It was Raucous environment and seemed like fans were having fun .

Liv says they are in beta mode, I did note that the players whose teams were in contention were grinding hard down the stretch. So maybe they are on to something with a team concept.

I like the shot gun start everyone finishes at the same time . They put the leaders off one the second two days . Henrik Stenson won on the 18th hole.

Other thing I noted is they have signed up a lot of the top collegiate players .

My guess is LIV going to get a TV contract or Streaming Service Partner next year . They are not going to compete with majors , WGC or events with tradition like Memorial and Bay Hill.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on July 31, 2022, 09:08:44 PM
According to the other players, one of the nicest guys out there.   

He has a hot putter right now.   With a hot putter, he is as good as anyone.

When you’re driving it straight and 340 and hitting every green in regulation (and the 5s in less) a hot putter puts you over the top. Great to see him take it to the next level - he’s pure class.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 01, 2022, 12:21:20 PM
Watched the final round of The LIV. The mics were set up to hear the fans . It was Raucous environment and seemed like fans were having fun .

Liv says they are in beta mode, I did note that the players whose teams were in contention were grinding hard down the stretch. So maybe they are on to something with a team concept.

I like the shot gun start everyone finishes at the same time . They put the leaders off one the second two days . Henrik Stenson won on the 18th hole.

Other thing I noted is they have signed up a lot of the top collegiate players .

My guess is LIV going to get a TV contract or Streaming Service Partner next year . They are not going to compete with majors , WGC or events with tradition like Memorial and Bay Hill.

I watched it as well. It was my first time watching a LIV event. Felt like an exhibition event, however more yelling since LIV thought it was a good idea to set up the mics to capture the intellect takes from the Jersey golf crowd. I'm sure the Saturdays Are For The Boys crowd loved it though.

Broadcast quality was very good. I enjoyed the quick cuts between shots. This is an area The Tour must address with CBS and NBC. Way, way too much fluff in a Tour telecast. That said, was it compelling golf? Um, no.

The team competition does very little for me and it was somewhat difficult to follow. Also, the first three winners of Schwartzel, Grace, and Stenson are extremely underwhelming. Goes to show, just because you have a limited field doesn't guarantee that your stars come to play. Bryson, Phil, and Brooks were complete non-factors.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 01, 2022, 12:46:30 PM
I watched it as well. It was my first time watching a LIV event. Felt like an exhibition event, however more yelling since LIV thought it was a good idea to set up the mics to capture the intellect takes from the Jersey golf crowd. I'm sure the Saturdays Are For The Boys crowd loved it though.

Broadcast quality was very good. I enjoyed the quick cuts between shots. This is an area The Tour must address with CBS and NBC. Way, way too much fluff in a Tour telecast. That said, was it compelling golf? Um, no.

The team competition does very little for me and it was somewhat difficult to follow. Also, the first three winners of Schwartzel, Grace, and Stenson are extremely underwhelming. Goes to show, just because you have a limited field doesn't guarantee that your stars come to play. Bryson, Phil, and Brooks were complete non-factors.
.

Brooks is done
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on August 01, 2022, 04:22:13 PM
I watched it as well. It was my first time watching a LIV event. Felt like an exhibition event, however more yelling since LIV thought it was a good idea to set up the mics to capture the intellect takes from the Jersey golf crowd. I'm sure the Saturdays Are For The Boys crowd loved it though.

Broadcast quality was very good. I enjoyed the quick cuts between shots. This is an area The Tour must address with CBS and NBC. Way, way too much fluff in a Tour telecast. That said, was it compelling golf? Um, no.

The team competition does very little for me and it was somewhat difficult to follow. Also, the first three winners of Schwartzel, Grace, and Stenson are extremely underwhelming. Goes to show, just because you have a limited field doesn't guarantee that your stars come to play. Bryson, Phil, and Brooks were complete non-factors.

We're an erudite people, good mannered, and well intentioned as evidenced by our chanting "unnatural carnal knowledge the POTUS" just steps from a freshly dug grave at a golf exhibition hosted by purveyors of the bonesaw. No wonder some tickets were on offer for $1.

54 golf is going to become popular with a certain type of American. The organizers and de facto American ambassador will have no issue with that (in fact, they'll likely indulge it) but the more this becomes apparent the more they may find themselves limited in appeal to the majority.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 01, 2022, 05:30:16 PM
54 golf is going to become popular with a certain type of American. The organizers and de facto American ambassador will have no issue with that (in fact, they'll likely indulge it) but the more this becomes apparent the more they may find themselves limited in appeal to the majority.

Definitely seems that way. I agree, seems very limiting, especially for a tour that's branding themselves as the first world tour of golf. Beyond the Saudi element of LIV, embracing a certain element of American society is not going to play well international either.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 01, 2022, 05:32:25 PM
Definitely seems that way. I agree, seems very limiting, especially for a tour that's branding themselves as the first world tour of golf. Beyond the Saudi element of LIV, embracing a certain element of American society is not going to play well international either.

ETTD
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 01, 2022, 07:25:49 PM
ESPN Plus Interview with Sergio Garcia on LIV. Basically says he got generational wealth out of it , and wants to play less. Also seems enthused about the team aspect . Garcia finished t-6 at Bedminster event , his best performance in a while.

Says he is going to retain DO World membership and try to qualify for Ryder Cup

https://www.espn.com/golf/insider/insider/story/_/id/34313442/sergio-garcia-joining-liv-series-was-good-decision?platform=amp
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 01, 2022, 07:40:59 PM
ESPN Plus Interview with Sergio Garcia on LIV. Basically says he got generational wealth out of it , and wants to play less. Also seems enthused about the team aspect . Garcia finished t-6 at Bedminster event , his best performance in a while.

Says he is going to retain DO World membership and try to qualify for Ryder Cup

https://www.espn.com/golf/insider/insider/story/_/id/34313442/sergio-garcia-joining-liv-series-was-good-decision?platform=amp

He won’t be playing less next year and if he wants to play on the Ryder Cup team, he’ll have to play on the European Tour to earn points. 

Calling Sergio a liar is probably the best thing someone can call him.  He’s a bad person and always has been.  His legacy is simple, an easily destroyed opponent for Tiger Woods
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 01, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
He won’t be playing less next year and if he wants to play on the Ryder Cup team, he’ll have to play on the European Tour to earn points. 

Calling Sergio a liar is probably the best thing someone can call him.  He’s a bad person and always has been.  His legacy is simple, an easily destroyed opponent for Tiger Woods

https://m.facebook.com/PGATour/videos/sergio-garcia-hits-out-of-a-tree-at-2013-arnold-palmer-invitational/1325797230928059/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 02, 2022, 07:43:47 AM
Apparently Tiger turned down between 700-800 mill to join LIV.  That's truly incredible.  I've never been a fan of the guy (and obviously he doesn't need the coin) but still, it's admirable imo.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 02, 2022, 07:57:31 AM
Dumb, bea gowne, aina?


#freerocket2022
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 02, 2022, 08:17:49 AM
Dumb, bea gowne, aina?


#freerocket2022

What would you do with 750 mill?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 02, 2022, 08:25:34 AM
What would you do with 750 mill?

Start that new Marquette basketball message board that was promised
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on August 02, 2022, 08:31:30 AM
Dumb, bea gowne, aina?


#freerocket2022

Did rocket get banned?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 02, 2022, 08:44:22 AM
Tiger doesn't need the money.
I doubt he could play 8 or 14 tournaments per year going forward.    Maybe in a few years, but not for a while.
His reverence for the majors is still very high.
Finally, perhaps he is just philosophically against the concept and the sponsors.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 02, 2022, 11:16:21 AM
Did rocket get banned?

I imagine it was for his latest spittle-flecked, unhinged rant where he took a page from the Nazi playbook (not hyperbole, not exaggeration, not Godwin's Law--actual page from the Nazi playbook) and smeared he who he disagrees with as a pedophile.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 02, 2022, 02:15:24 PM
#freerocket2022
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 02, 2022, 02:20:54 PM
I imagine it was for his latest spittle-flecked, unhinged rant where he took a page from the Nazi playbook (not hyperbole, not exaggeration, not Godwin's Law--actual page from the Nazi playbook) and smeared he who he disagrees with as a pedophile.

He’s making a great martyr

Or died eating horse paste
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on August 02, 2022, 02:58:48 PM
#freerocket2022

Hey, this just gives him more time to work on the next coup.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 02, 2022, 03:36:41 PM
He will do his time in the penalty box and then be back.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 02, 2022, 04:03:40 PM
Let's bring this thread back to laughing at some pro golfers. Thankfully, we have Patrick Reed.

I thought he joined LIV to spend more time at home. Guess not.

https://golf.com/news/no-liv-no-problem-patrick-reed-to-tee-it-up-in-asian-tour-events/ (https://golf.com/news/no-liv-no-problem-patrick-reed-to-tee-it-up-in-asian-tour-events/)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 02, 2022, 04:17:53 PM
Let's bring this thread back to laughing at some pro golfers. Thankfully, we have Patrick Reed.

I thought he joined LIV to spend more time at home. Guess not.

https://golf.com/news/no-liv-no-problem-patrick-reed-to-tee-it-up-in-asian-tour-events/ (https://golf.com/news/no-liv-no-problem-patrick-reed-to-tee-it-up-in-asian-tour-events/)

LOL
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 02, 2022, 04:22:01 PM
#freerocket2022

I'll admit, I was surprised the outrage, given it is just a 7 day ban, and MU82 got hit for politics in the same thread.  Rocket is also a BIG proponent of enforcing rules/laws.

So I just double checked the ban, and apparently I forgot to click save on the 7 day part.  So, he's still banned, but it'll expire in a few days.  I guess your immature campaign was successful!  lol
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on August 02, 2022, 04:36:24 PM
Let's bring this thread back to laughing at some pro golfers. Thankfully, we have Patrick Reed.

I thought he joined LIV to spend more time at home. Guess not.

https://golf.com/news/no-liv-no-problem-patrick-reed-to-tee-it-up-in-asian-tour-events/ (https://golf.com/news/no-liv-no-problem-patrick-reed-to-tee-it-up-in-asian-tour-events/)

Can you blame him for not wanting to spend more time with his psycho wife and her family?

Clearly didn't think through what spending less time traveling with the tour would actually entail
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on August 02, 2022, 04:50:07 PM
Looks like the main motivation is the Asian Tour gives OWGR points. Although, I could definitely see the benefit for Reed traveling without family.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 02, 2022, 05:48:20 PM
RJax

His family probably he realized he would be home more and strongly encouraging he play on any tour that will take him.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 02, 2022, 05:52:07 PM
rockless

lol
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 02, 2022, 06:41:19 PM
Reed can travel freely in Asia?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 02, 2022, 08:50:49 PM
RJax

His family probably he realized he would be home more and strongly encouraging he play on any tour that will take him.

Actually, I think Patrick is the sane member of that household. That says A LOT.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocky_warrior on August 02, 2022, 10:05:24 PM
rockless

Oh, you can add name calling to your immature repertoire!  I swear, several of you have regressed to elementary status in your "wise" years.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Mucubfan on August 02, 2022, 11:10:17 PM
Played my first round as a golf member at a very nice course in the northwest suburbs of Chicago. Man, greens were slick as a greased up porn star though.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 03, 2022, 12:29:08 PM
Litigation commenced by Mickelson and others against PGA Tour

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2022/08/03/Phil-Mickelson-sues-PGA-Tour.aspx
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 02:16:16 PM
#freerocket2022
The company you keep
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
3-some played 18 holes in 2:45 between lines of thunderstorms.    Amazing how efficiently the game can be played when you know weather is coming and you are trying to beat it.   

(I hate slow play so much.    Every 5 minutes I spent on a course over 4 hours usually costs me 1-2 shots)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on August 03, 2022, 03:08:04 PM
3-some played 18 holes in 2:45 between lines of thunderstorms.    Amazing how efficiently the game can be played when you know weather is coming and you are trying to beat it.   

(I hate slow play so much.    Every 5 minutes I spent on a course over 4 hours usually costs me 1-2 shots)

I was talking to my golf pro BIL yesterday about my local muni.  Its not a great course, but its laid out in a way that you can play 9 in 90 minutes pretty consistently.  I once walked 9, by myself in 1:20.  It was incredible.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2022, 05:28:30 PM
3-some played 18 holes in 2:45 between lines of thunderstorms.    Amazing how efficiently the game can be played when you know weather is coming and you are trying to beat it.   

(I hate slow play so much.    Every 5 minutes I spent on a course over 4 hours usually costs me 1-2 shots)

Golf boom created by Covid is abating, so I’m hoping for slow play to also abate.  I used to belong to a local men’s club (Milwaukee public course) and these things are part of the problem.  They treat each shot like they’re touring professionals.  On the greens, it’s awful.  You guys are playing for shop credit, speed it up.

The last 20-30 years of kids being coached has caused problems, too.  These kids are playing 5-6 hour rounds because they’re taught to play that way.  College golf will never be popular because of how slow it is.  I played with a guy for a number of years that played in college and his process was so painful I had to teach myself not to watch and wait until I heard impact
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 05:49:36 PM
TSmith

I will proudly say Rocket is a friend of mine.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
3-some played 18 holes in 2:45 between lines of thunderstorms.    Amazing how efficiently the game can be played when you know weather is coming and you are trying to beat it.   

(I hate slow play so much.    Every 5 minutes I spent on a course over 4 hours usually costs me 1-2 shots)

Slow play is the absolute worst Tower.  My biggest pet peeve (and I see it all the time) is when someone waits for the green to clear on say a 550 yrd par 5, after driving the ball 200 yards or less. HIT THE BALL.  Is this really too much to ask? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 03, 2022, 06:05:43 PM
Golf boom created by Covid is abating, so I’m hoping for slow play to also abate.  I used to belong to a local men’s club (Milwaukee public course) and these things are part of the problem.  They treat each shot like they’re touring professionals.  On the greens, it’s awful.  You guys are playing for shop credit, speed it up.

The last 20-30 years of kids being coached has caused problems, too.  These kids are playing 5-6 hour rounds because they’re taught to play that way.  College golf will never be popular because of how slow it is.  I played with a guy for a number of years that played in college and his process was so painful I had to teach myself not to watch and wait until I heard impact

AJGA does a decent job with pace of play considering you have insane parents around every tee box. However, the college game is an absolute joke. Just off the rails on pace of play.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2022, 06:25:16 PM
TSmith

I will proudly say Rocket is a friend of mine.

Have guys considered getting him help?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
AJGA does a decent job with pace of play considering you have insane parents around every tee box. However, the college game is an absolute joke. Just off the rails on pace of play.

Once they’re out of the AJGA world and the better players are identified, I think that’s when we get the problems. 

I’ve had a couple of experiences this summer at courses with younger players also where they stop at the turn and sit down to eat lunch and have drinks instead of grabbing and going and being perplexed that people want to play through.  There’s a problem with common courtesy that permeates all generations and it manifests itself regularly on golf courses
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 03, 2022, 06:41:21 PM
The company you keep




Its a brotherhood thang, aka somethin' you obviously know nothing about, aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:07:08 PM
TSmith

I will proudly say Rocket is a friend of mine.
Glad you own it.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:12:07 PM



Its a brotherhood thang, aka somethin' you obviously nothing about, aina?

QAnon? Oath Keepers? III percenters? Probably not the latter two, I guess, tooling around in gold carts would probably be frowned upon.

The right of free association is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 07:16:44 PM
Glad you own it.

That's not allowed for some reason? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 03, 2022, 07:18:32 PM
Glad you own it.

I'd rather hang out with guys like Goose and rocket than a miserable prick like yourself.  🐷🐷
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:28:58 PM
I'd rather hang out with guys like Goose and rocket than a miserable prick like yourself.  🐷🐷
Yes, we know you would. Who could have doubted it?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 07:29:40 PM
TSmith

Who is we?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:30:10 PM
That's not allowed for some reason?
You seem confused. Perhaps read it again?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 03, 2022, 07:30:21 PM
TSmith

Who is we?

Bet his family doesn't even like him.  🐷🐷
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:31:28 PM
TSmith

Who is we?
If you mean in reference to Ziggy's post, "we" is every single member of the site. I mean, who wouldn't expect him to want to hang out with roqqet and friends?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 07:31:35 PM
I guess I missed what specifically happened but I'm completely against banning anyone.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 07:34:38 PM
You seem confused. Perhaps read it again?

I am confused.  What are you worked up about?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 07:35:51 PM
Historically, those who get banned have earned it.   The mods are lenient.  Up to a point.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 07:43:28 PM
Historically, those who get banned have earned it.   The mods are lenient.  Up to a point.

Disagree.  I understand locking a thread or what have you based on whatever rules have been imposed.  A suspension I suppose may be acceptable but banning is absurd imo. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 07:47:14 PM
Muggsy

How’s your golf game? Mine has been up and down this season. Better to talk golf than engage with half of these guys.

Also, I am excited for next season to get started. I think Shaka will have the guys ready. Thoughts!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:47:36 PM
I am confused.  What are you worked up about?
I seemed worked up...to YOU? LOL.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2022, 07:48:15 PM
Disagree.  I understand locking a thread or what have you based on whatever rules have been imposed.  A suspension I suppose may be acceptable but banning is absurd imo.

No one is banned.  Rocky suspended two posters for 7 days
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 07:50:14 PM
TSmith

You seem bitter to me, not worked up.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:50:19 PM
Disagree.  I understand locking a thread or what have you based on whatever rules have been imposed.  A suspension I suppose may be acceptable but banning is absurd imo.
He's not banned. Very, very, very few people are permabanned, and even those almost all come back in new guises. Rocky and Topper are about the most lenient, patient mods you'll ever find. As they explained, he earned his 7-day holiday.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 03, 2022, 07:51:58 PM
TSmith

You seem bitter to me, not worked up.

That's nice.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 07:57:17 PM
Muggsy

How’s your golf game? Mine has been up and down this season.
Unchanged.   Lots of rounds in the high 70s.   The occasional low 80s when the putts don't fall.   77 today  with two doubles.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 07:58:25 PM
Muggsy

How’s your golf game? Mine has been up and down this season. Better to talk golf than engage with half of these guys.

Also, I am excited for next season to get started. I think Shaka will have the guys ready. Thoughts!

Ty for asking Goose.  My game is pretty solid right now.  I try to play three times a week and my handicap has improved 3 stokes since I moved to Northern California.  I played Harding Park two weeks ago and was very pleased with how I hit the ball.  Generally I play the Stanford course twice a week.   I think I've peaked but I'm very happy with a +7  h-cap.  My issues are overall pop on my drives and long irons/ hybrids.  But, in the last year,  I added a very consistent cut which has changed everything.  I have a natural draw but now I feel really comfortable moving the ball both directions.  My absolute ceiling is a +6 but I'm proud of my improvements.  How are you swinging it?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 08:02:04 PM
Unchanged.   Lots of rounds in the high 70s.   The occasional low 80s when the putts don't fall.   77 today  with two doubles.

Wow.  If you can get the putter on track?  Look out.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 08:02:36 PM
Tower

Nice playing. I cannot get over the hump and break 80. I have had multiple nines of par or better and still cannot break 80. I feel like I am 14 again and trying to do it for the first time.

Muggsy

Great stuff and nice on Harding Park. The older I get the harder the game gets. My short game continues to cost me multiple shots per round.
I had a decent year last year, but have played far less this year and it shows.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:04:33 PM
Left 4 putts inside 15 feet short and dead on line.   Unforgiveable.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 08:06:24 PM
Tower

Any tip or advice on why I am taking my putter inside on the back stroke? I struggle to get my set up consistent and I cannot straighten out my stroke.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2022, 08:10:05 PM
Tower

Any tip or advice on why I am taking my putter inside on the back stroke? I struggle to get my set up consistent and I cannot straighten out my stroke.

Footwork.  It’s my bugaboo on consistent putting
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 08:11:42 PM
Tower

Nice playing. I cannot get over the hump and break 80. I have had multiple nines of par or better and still cannot break 80. I feel like I am 14 again and trying to do it for the first time.

Muggsy

Great stuff and nice on Harding Park. The older I get the harder the game gets. My short game continues to cost me multiple shots per round.
I had a decent year last year, but have played far less this year and it shows.

That's the strength of my game Goose!  I guess it's only fitting but I did switch chipping with my 9i to a 56 degree wedge.  My suggestion is to practice less on the range and more around  the green.  I also think learning a consistent check up/bump and run is essential.  I see a lot of guys pitching and chipping with too much loft.  I think going with a lower trajectory is beneficial 75%  of the time. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 08:14:40 PM
Rico

Sound call. When I played a lot of golf my putting setup was very solid and I now I struggle to get comfortable.

Muggs

I never practice any if my game. 100% course golfer, with an occasional warm up if time permits or bigger money game.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:15:13 PM
I generally hit any shot inside 90 yards with my 56 degree.    Occasionally, the lie dictates that I putt with a hybrid from just off the green.   I hit that shot three times a year.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 08:15:24 PM
Footwork.  It’s my bugaboo on consistent putting

Set-up is enormous.  People fk this up constantly.  And you're right, mostly putting. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:20:19 PM
Tower

Any tip or advice on why I am taking my putter inside on the back stroke? I struggle to get my set up consistent and I cannot straighten out my stroke.
Consistent footwork will help.   Sometimes I switch out putters just to give my brain something else to look at and remind me to focus on my keys.  I putt left hand low and the big one for me is to feel like I am hitting the putt with the back of my left hand while accelerating.

 Today,  I was quitting a little bit on the stroke.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 03, 2022, 08:20:35 PM
Fella’s

This is the first year that I have lost distance with my short irons and it sucks. Enjoy your youth and play a lot of golf. I have always been very strong with my sand wedge up to a 110 yards and now maxed out about 95. It truly is the first in my life that I felt age catching up on me. Actually, my drinking skills have diminished about 20% over the past several years and that was first sign that Father Time was winning.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 08:21:43 PM
Rico

Sound call. When I played a lot of golf my putting setup was very solid and I now I struggle to get comfortable.

Muggs


I never practice any if my game. 100% course golfer, with an occasional warm up if time permits or bigger money game.

Goose,

it's tough if you can't golf year round.  But I practice at least an hour a week on the green and in all phases.  I've generally been a good putter but have worked hard to improve in the bunker and 20 yards and in.  I would highly recommend less time at the range and more time working on the short game.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2022, 08:23:36 PM
Set-up is enormous.  People fk this up constantly.  And you're right, mostly putting.

I play with a terrible putter and he blames everything but the fact his alignment is a mess and he never practices.  He thinks he’s a great putt reader so he’s a good putter but his feet look like he’s trying to hit a cut putt sometimes and then a fade the next.  Hogan would get the yips again watching him
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:24:35 PM
Agreed.  Getting up and down from the cart path clears your brain and fries the brains of your playing companions.   Do it a couple of times and they call you names.   Glorious.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 03, 2022, 08:33:51 PM
I play with a terrible putter and he blames everything but the fact his alignment is a mess and he never practices.  He thinks he’s a great putt reader so he’s a good putter but his feet look like he’s trying to hit a cut putt sometimes and then a fade the next.  Hogan would get the yips again watching him

I

From my experience it's almost always about alignment.  And it amazes me that really good players just don't see it over their putts.  The other thing I see quite often is a jab at contact or coming too far inside. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:44:06 PM
How far out do you pick your mark to roll the ball over?    And are you precise enough to do a blade of grass, or are you more of a 'just above that pitch mark' kind of guy?

Personally, I like a pitch mark 2-3 feet in front of me and to work off of that.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on August 03, 2022, 08:46:00 PM
I follow a guy on YouTube who is good at getting me to rethink strategy/course management.

If we take the assumption that longer clubs (driver, woods, long irons) bring more risk and therefore increased chances with errors, does it make more sense to leave them in the bag MUCH more than we normally do?

If playing a 500yd par 5, hit 3 7/8 irons (or similar combinations) rather than driver, hybrid, wedge?

Hit the clubs you're confident on using and clubs that also have lower risk

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on August 03, 2022, 08:48:10 PM
How far out do you pick your mark to roll the ball over?    And are you precise enough to do a blade of grass, or are you more of a 'just above that pitch mark' kind of guy?

Personally, I like a pitch mark 2-3 feet in front of me and to work off of that.

I pick my line from behind the ball while kneeling, then position the ball so the line/logo/name points directly on that line. After that, easy to line the putter up on the ball and my feet parallel to that.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:54:41 PM
Right now, I am locked in with my driver.  I hit 9 fairways today and my misses weren't bad.   So that takes care of the first 240-250.   260 left.  Where are the hazards?  If there aren't any, I blast away with my 3 wood and get as close as I can, figuring that even if I top it, I will have an 8-iron in for my third.     If there is water or a lot of bunkers, I will pick the most open spot and aim for the center of it.  If that means PW then 9-iron, ok.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2022, 08:56:58 PM
I pick my line from behind the ball while kneeling, then position the ball so the line/logo/name points directly on that line. After that, easy to line the putter up on the ball and my feet parallel to that.
I can't do that.  It causes me to obsess and tighten up.  Outside 20 feet, I pick a general break and then focus on speed.   Hit it to a foot, walk on.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jesmu84 on August 03, 2022, 09:11:31 PM
Right now, I am locked in with my driver.  I hit 9 fairways today and my misses weren't bad.   So that takes care of the first 240-250.   260 left.  Where are the hazards?  If there aren't any, I blast away with my 3 wood and get as close as I can, figuring that even if I top it, I will have an 8-iron in for my third.     If there is water or a lot of bunkers, I will pick the most open spot and aim for the center of it.  If that means PW then 9-iron, ok.

That's fair.

But what about folks (like me) who only play 10-20x/year? Shoot mid/low 80s.

If the goal is the lowest score, it would make some sense to take as much risk (resulting in OB, hazards, punch-outs from trees, etc) out of the game
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 04, 2022, 05:19:12 AM
If you are  playing 10 times a year and still shooting low 80's, then you do you.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 04, 2022, 05:56:16 AM
Women at Muirfield this week for the Women’s Open.  Chilly with winds around 15mph in the early wave
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 04, 2022, 06:17:22 AM
That's fair.

But what about folks (like me) who only play 10-20x/year? Shoot mid/low 80s.

If the goal is the lowest score, it would make some sense to take as much risk (resulting in OB, hazards, punch-outs from trees, etc) out of the game

If you shoot low 80's and play only 10 times a year you're ahead of 99.999% of recreational players.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 04, 2022, 06:26:09 AM
I follow a guy on YouTube who is good at getting me to rethink strategy/course management.

If we take the assumption that longer clubs (driver, woods, long irons) bring more risk and therefore increased chances with errors, does it make more sense to leave them in the bag MUCH more than we normally do?

If playing a 500yd par 5, hit 3 7/8 irons (or similar combinations) rather than driver, hybrid, wedge?

Hit the clubs you're confident on using and clubs that also have lower risk

Thoughts?

Wait a minute....are you saying 3w, 7i, 7i?  I supppse I don't see a problem with that if you're more comfortable with a short iron than a shot closer to the green.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 04, 2022, 06:31:53 AM
Wait a minute....are you saying 3w, 7i, 7i?  I supppse I don't see a problem with that if you're more comfortable with a short iron than a shot closer to the green.

Depends on how much trouble is out there.  A penalty strewn par-5 can bring a big number into play.  Course management is something the amateur golfer lacks in spades.  A bogey is better than a snowman
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 04, 2022, 06:44:04 AM
Depends on how much trouble is out there.  A penalty strewn par-5 can bring a big number into play.  Course management is something the amateur golfer lacks in spades.  A bogey is better than a snowman

Agree completely. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 04, 2022, 06:46:40 AM
Jesmu84, your larger point is a good one.   The secret to scoring is avoiding big numbers.   Picking the appropriate tees helps that.   If you really fight your driver, picking the longest club you can consistently keep in play off the tee and then bunting it around the course is a legitimate strategy.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 04, 2022, 08:09:17 AM
Jesmu84, your larger point is a good one.   The secret to scoring is avoiding big numbers.   Picking the appropriate tees helps that.   If you really fight your driver, picking the longest club you can consistently keep in play off the tee and then bunting it around the course is a legitimate strategy.

It sounds like he hits his 3W at least 230.  Unless I absolutely rip my draw, with the wind behind me, I cannot get to a 550 yrd hole in two on most courses.  Unless I get 50 yards of roll on the fairway.  Every time I try to get more pop in general I lose consistency. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 04, 2022, 12:44:38 PM
You can't spell 'oblivious' without LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 05, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
75 at Tullymore.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 05, 2022, 12:53:01 PM
Guys,

Thanks for the tip on the footwork in my putting stance. Today was the best roll of the ball in a long time.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 05, 2022, 01:06:54 PM
Great.   Any round where you don't helicopter your putter is a victory.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 05, 2022, 01:29:41 PM
Tower

Several tossed clubs today, but the Scotty was treated kindly today. Worse ball striking round of the year this morning. Not surprisingly, three best holes I played were 16-18. My oldest son and I have the state Father-Son next Wednesday and I better get my driver straightened out quickly.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 06, 2022, 03:32:30 PM
Interesting text exchange between Greg Norman and Sergio Garcia. Sergio tells Norman earlier this year that PGA Tour threatening life ban and players are crapping their pants . Norman says not to worry they can’t do that . Norman=Pied Piper of Pro Golf

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/08/05/liv-golf-news-sergio-garcia-greg-norman-text-messages/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 06, 2022, 03:42:08 PM
Interesting text exchange between Greg Norman and Sergio Garcia. Sergio tells Norman earlier this year that PGA Tour threatening life ban and players are crapping their pants . Norman says not to worry they can’t do that . Norman=Pied Piper of Pro Golf

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/08/05/liv-golf-news-sergio-garcia-greg-norman-text-messages/

He’s a loser, like Sergio
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 06, 2022, 04:55:56 PM
Here is the LIV Lawsuit Document. Gives a lot of detail on their legal theories. Some big law firms involved in this filing .

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.398834/gov.uscourts.cand.398834.1.0_2.pdf
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: CreightonWarrior on August 06, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
Recommendations on a website I can use for a little golf package vacation for a few guys to Arizona?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 06, 2022, 07:20:04 PM
Here is the LIV Lawsuit Document. Gives a lot of detail on their legal theories. Some big law firms involved in this filing .

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.398834/gov.uscourts.cand.398834.1.0_2.pdf
Fun that the Green Jackets were trying to talk everyone out of defecting to LIV in 2022.   Will they allow past champions to return or not?   One of the huge questions going forward.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 06, 2022, 08:29:06 PM
Fun that the Green Jackets were trying to talk everyone out of defecting to LIV in 2022.   Will they allow past champions to return or not?   One of the huge questions going forward.

Amazing the amount of losers that have won Augusta, like FIGJAM and Sergio.  Have to think Augusta would like to cleanse their club of that stink.  Even more hard to believe Norman never won there.  He’d fit right in with chokers like Phil and Sergio
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 06, 2022, 08:40:26 PM
Amazing the amount of losers that have won Augusta, like FIGJAM and Sergio.  Have to think Augusta would like to cleanse their club of that stink.  Even more hard to believe Norman never won there.  He’d fit right in with chokers like Phil and Sergio
LIV will depose Augusta National and that should be some interesting reading .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 07, 2022, 06:05:13 AM
LIV will depose Augusta National and that should be some interesting reading .

Not as interesting as figjam getting deposed
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on August 07, 2022, 06:08:28 AM
Recommendations on a website I can use for a little golf package vacation for a few guys to Arizona?

There is a troon package, stay and play-lookout mountain(back 9 is fantastic!), the Phoenician, wickenburg ranch and Quintero.

  Depending on what they charge you, wickenburg ranch and Quintero are 2 of the best public courses in Az.  Wickenburg may be going private this fall however? Although I haven’t done the Phoenician yet, I’ve heard nothing but good things.  I have the Az troon card and have yet to golf a bad one.  The boulders is really nice, golf club of Estrella is “Az mountain-desert” good stuff.  Troon north, although ok, the hype seems to juice your expectations and then…I mean it’s nice, but Quintero and wickenburg will blow you away
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 07, 2022, 06:50:46 AM
There is a troon package, stay and play-lookout mountain(back 9 is fantastic!), the Phoenician, wickenburg ranch and Quintero.

  Depending on what they charge you, wickenburg ranch and Quintero are 2 of the best public courses in Az.  Wickenburg may be going private this fall however? Although I haven’t done the Phoenician yet, I’ve heard nothing but good things.  I have the Az troon card and have yet to golf a bad one.  The boulders is really nice, golf club of Estrella is “Az mountain-desert” good stuff.  Troon north, although ok, the hype seems to juice your expectations and then…I mean it’s nice, but Quintero and wickenburg will blow you away
Welcome back Rocket 🚀
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 07, 2022, 07:08:48 AM
There is a troon package, stay and play-lookout mountain(back 9 is fantastic!), the Phoenician, wickenburg ranch and Quintero.

  Depending on what they charge you, wickenburg ranch and Quintero are 2 of the best public courses in Az.  Wickenburg may be going private this fall however? Although I haven’t done the Phoenician yet, I’ve heard nothing but good things.  I have the Az troon card and have yet to golf a bad one.  The boulders is really nice, golf club of Estrella is “Az mountain-desert” good stuff.  Troon north, although ok, the hype seems to juice your expectations and then…I mean it’s nice, but Quintero and wickenburg will blow you away

Get out there before Arizona runs out of water
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 07, 2022, 08:38:51 AM
Buhai?  Buwho?  Who is this woman 5 clear  n the Women's Open? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 07, 2022, 08:44:29 AM
Buhai?  Buwho?  Who is this woman 5 clear  n the Women's Open?
From South Africa must be a good wind player
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 07, 2022, 08:45:08 AM
Buhai?  Buwho?  Who is this woman 5 clear  n the Women's Open?

A simple google search is your friend.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 07, 2022, 08:53:11 AM
A simple google search is your friend.

No one has ever heard of her.  She's never won a single lpga event Tower.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 07, 2022, 09:05:16 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashleigh_Buhai

https://golf.com/news/tournaments/ashleigh-buhai-muirfield-easy-womens-open/

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ashleigh-buhai-aig-womens-open-leader-muirfield
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 07, 2022, 09:08:01 AM
No one has ever heard of her.  She's never won a single lpga event Tower.

So?  I’ve heard of her and seen her play before.  Also, hope she doesn’t cheat as bad as fellow South African Gary Player
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 07, 2022, 09:10:38 AM
I know I'm not in the minority here but my favorite golf swing of all-time is Mickey Wright.  I don't know how you can get better than that swing. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 07, 2022, 09:11:14 AM
Enjoy the story line and the golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 07, 2022, 09:12:49 AM
So?  I’ve heard of her and seen her play before.  Also, hope she doesn’t cheat as bad as fellow South African Gary Player

No one has heard of her except Uncle Rico.  I stand corrected.  Will she hold on today?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 07, 2022, 10:53:24 AM
No one has heard of her except Uncle Rico.  I stand corrected.  Will she hold on today?

I’d think we’d know early.  Not many low scores out there, so she’ll have to comeback to the pack I’d think
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 07, 2022, 11:35:18 AM
I’d think we’d know early.  Not many low scores out there, so she’ll have to comeback to the pack I’d think

I think she's in trouble.  Ingee Chun looks ready to pounce. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 07, 2022, 12:15:40 PM
The announcer jinx has been replaced hy the muggsy jinx.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 07, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
The announcer jinx has been replaced hy the muggsy jinx.

I did it intentionally!  :)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 07, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
Recommendations on a website I can use for a little golf package vacation for a few guys to Arizona?

I've never used this outfit -- Golf Troop -- but one of my friends did and said they did a good job. They have certain packages set but apparently they also let people make changes if they'd prefer a course or a hotel not in any of the packages.

https://www.golftroop.com/golf-packages

As an aside, my brother and I played a few Phoenix-area courses in March and we really enjoyed Ak-Chin Southern Dunes Golf Club. It's a Troon course.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 07, 2022, 01:35:02 PM
Making my second trip to Forest Dunes and The Loop this week.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 08, 2022, 10:01:57 PM
Some Gary Player news

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gary-player-marc-player-auction-memorabilia-without-consent
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 08, 2022, 11:02:33 PM
Some Gary Player news

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/gary-player-marc-player-auction-memorabilia-without-consent

Scumbag that cheated at The Open that raised a harem of scumbags.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: GoFastAndWin on August 08, 2022, 11:49:13 PM
Scumbag that cheated at The Open that raised a harem of scumbags.

He had a huge lead. Wasn’t accustomed to being forced to putt lefty. Guarantee you he had zero intent to improve his lie. And didn’t, as the swath of dust or “sand” he inadvertently took was way behind the ball. Didn’t receive a free drop. Has a couple scumbags in his family, but I wouldn’t apply the label to him. Do you hate him because he dared to broach the subject of steroids in golf?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2022, 05:18:48 AM
He had a huge lead. Wasn’t accustomed to being forced to putt lefty. Guarantee you he had zero intent to improve his lie. And didn’t, as the swath of dust or “sand” he inadvertently took was way behind the ball. Didn’t receive a free drop. Has a couple scumbags in his family, but I wouldn’t apply the label to him. Do you hate him because he dared to broach the subject of steroids in golf?

No, he’s a scumbag
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 09, 2022, 05:43:15 PM
Gooch & Swafford told tough luck in trying to get an injunction to play in the playoffs. 

Cam Smith getting $100 million to play for the Saudi’s
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on August 09, 2022, 07:16:36 PM
Gooch & Swafford told tough luck in trying to get an injunction to play in the playoffs. 

Cam Smith getting $100 million to play for the Saudi’s

I would have banned these guys just based on their dumb-azz white country club names.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 09, 2022, 07:17:38 PM
And nobody has a bit of sympathy for them.     You can't spell 'oblivious' without LIV.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 09, 2022, 07:29:35 PM
And nobody has a bit of sympathy for them.     You can't spell 'oblivious' without LIV.

The game is being destroyed Tower.  The only leverage I see is if all four Majors can ban LIV players. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 09, 2022, 07:38:01 PM
The professional game is facing challenges.   The game itself is not being destroyed.   



Greed has destroyed many things.    That is why it is one of the seven deadly. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 09, 2022, 08:01:22 PM
The professional game is facing challenges.   The game itself is not being destroyed.   



Greed has destroyed many things.    That is why it is one of the seven deadly.

True. The professional game is being destroyed.  LiV golf isn't even golf. Losing Smith is significant. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 09, 2022, 08:31:50 PM
So, fringe player X signs with LIV.   He does not improve.   There has been talk of relegation road.   Where does the relegated  fringe LIV golfer go?

The PGA tour has the Korn Ferry tour, Canadian tour, Asian, European.  How does a relegated LIV player earn his way back?

Never mind.   They don't know.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on August 09, 2022, 08:57:35 PM
Losing Smith is significant.

Is it, though? Does anyone go out of their way to attend or tune in to a golf event because Cam Smith is playing? Is viewership at the St. Jude this weekend going to plummet without Cam Smith in the field? I would guess the answer to both is "no."
I'd suggest there have really only been a handful of players in history that really move the needle and qualify as appointment viewing, and nobody on the LIV tour outside of Mickelson - who's currently a sad, a broken down version of himself - is on that list.
Serious golf fans are going to watch regardless of who's playing, because that's what they do. The more casual fan is going to tune in because it's the Masters or the US Open or Sawgrass, not because Cam Smith or Patrick Reed are in contention instead of Max Homa or Patrick Cantlay.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 09, 2022, 09:04:59 PM
Is it, though? Does anyone go out of their way to attend or tune in to a golf event because Cam Smith is playing? Is viewership at the St. Jude this weekend going to plummet without Cam Smith in the field? I would guess the answer to both is "no."
I'd suggest there have really only been a handful of players in history that really move the needle and qualify as appointment viewing, and nobody on the LIV tour outside of Mickelson - who's currently a sad, a broken down version of himself - is on that list.
Serious golf fans are going to watch regardless of who's playing, because that's what they do. The more casual fan is going to tune in because it's the Masters or the US Open or Sawgrass, not because Cam Smith or Patrick Reed are in contention instead of Max Homa or Patrick Cantlay.

He's a potential top 5 player if he's not there already.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on August 09, 2022, 09:26:13 PM
He's a potential top 5 player if he's not there already.

Sure, but will people tune in just to watch him or tune out if he's not in the field? I suspect not.
Adam Scott and Luke Donald were top 5 players in 2012. Did casual fans rush to their TVs to watch them?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 09, 2022, 10:00:32 PM
So, fringe player X signs with LIV.   He does not improve.   There has been talk of relegation road.   Where does the relegated  fringe LIV golfer go?

The PGA tour has the Korn Ferry tour, Canadian tour, Asian, European.  How does a relegated LIV player earn his way back?

Never mind.   They don't know.

If they resign from the PGAT, they can requalify again after one year. Many of the earliest defectors resigned, which now appears to be a solid move.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 09, 2022, 11:22:38 PM
Sure, but will people tune in just to watch him or tune out if he's not in the field? I suspect not.
Adam Scott and Luke Donald were top 5 players in 2012. Did casual fans rush to their TVs to watch them?

I agree with your point but I'm concerned with more defections. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 10, 2022, 06:47:29 AM
I agree with your point but I'm concerned with more defections.
I am not worried about defections. The majors and OWGR are rallying behind PGA Tour.
I think defection will fit into the same categories that have signed with LIV so far:
Over The Hill Stars - most recent example Bubba Watson

Body Broken- Brooks Koepka , DeCharcuterie

Young NCAA stars that have not yet made tour

So far the only two top quality players have been DJ and Reed .

The rest are filler to make the field .

No TV sponsor and no tournament sponsors yet. If those happen then there might be some staying power. For now I think it only lasts through next season
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 10, 2022, 07:55:22 AM
Reed? The guy that can’t get a sponsor?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 10, 2022, 08:20:37 AM
I'm not the least bit concerned. It didn't affect the way I watched the majors, or my enjoyment level of them, nor do I think it will in the future. And I'd say I'm a fairly typical golf fan.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 10, 2022, 08:27:34 AM
I'm not the least bit concerned. It didn't affect the way I watched the majors, or my enjoyment level of them, nor do I think it will in the future. And I'd say I'm a fairly typical golf fan.

It's early in the process.   If other top 10 players bolt It's really bad for the game. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2022, 08:30:49 AM
I am not worried about defections. The majors and OWGR are rallying behind PGA Tour.
I think defection will fit into the same categories that have signed with LIV so far:
Over The Hill Stars - most recent example Bubba Watson

Body Broken- Brooks Koepka , DeCharcuterie

Young NCAA stars that have not yet made tour

So far the only two top quality players have been DJ and Reed .

The rest are filler to make the field .

No TV sponsor and no tournament sponsors yet. If those happen then there might be some staying power. For now I think it only lasts through next season

I don’t like Cam Smith bolting and he’s taking Leishman with him.  Cantlay is rumored, too. 

Losing the Aussies hurts. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 10, 2022, 08:36:52 AM
I don’t like Cam Smith bolting and he’s taking Leishman with him.  Cantlay is rumored, too. 

Losing the Aussies hurts.

I don't either.  Cantlay leaving would suck as well.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2022, 08:41:53 AM
I don't either.  Cantlay leaving would suck as well.

Sounds like Niemann and Pereira are bolting as well, so you’re losing two good young South Americans.  I don’t think Niemann has lasting power with his swing but he’s got a good 5 year stretch in him, ala Jason Day
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 10, 2022, 08:44:36 AM
Sounds like Niemann and Pereira are bolting as well, so you’re losing two good young South Americans.  I don’t think Niemann has lasting power with his swing but he’s got a good 5 year stretch in him, ala Jason Day

Absolutely.  Both have serious game.  The whole thing stinks to high heaven. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on August 10, 2022, 08:50:08 AM
I think it’s less about how much each player brings in viewers and more about the overall field. Part of the reason tournaments are prestigious and bring in ratings is due to deep fields.

I think if enough guys leave and you have John Deere Classic level fields plus Rory, JT, and Finau, you definitely will see an impact.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 10, 2022, 08:55:29 AM
I think it’s less about how much each player brings in viewers and more about the overall field. Part of the reason tournaments are prestigious and bring in ratings is due to deep fields.

I think if enough guys leave and you have John Deere Classic level fields plus Rory, JT, and Finau, you definitely will see an impact.

Yep.  But also if you are playing LIV, even if you're allowed to play the Majors, it's pretty likely your game is going to drop a level with the lack of real competition.  This is absolutely horrible from a competitive and historical standpoint for golf, at least in the short-term. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on August 10, 2022, 09:25:04 AM
If they resign from the PGAT, they can requalify again after one year. Many of the earliest defectors resigned, which now appears to be a solid move.

Has anyone who went LIV tried to go back to the PGAT, whether resigned or was suspended?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 10, 2022, 10:56:51 AM
Sounds like Niemann and Pereira are bolting as well, so you’re losing two good young South Americans.  I don’t think Niemann has lasting power with his swing but he’s got a good 5 year stretch in him, ala Jason Day

Losing the top flight international players is going to hurt. Especially from a sponsorship angle. I'm assuming that Hideki goes to LIV as well after the Fed Ex Playoff.

The Tour has been able to keep the best Americans sans DJ and Bryson. Reed sucks, so he doesn't qualify in my eyes. And, Brooks passion for the game looks to be about zero, so not much of a loss there. But, losing all these internationals is becoming a problem.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 10, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
Has anyone who went LIV tried to go back to the PGAT, whether resigned or was suspended?

Not yet. Too early in the game. I'm sure it will happen sometime next year as LIV continues to add players.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 10, 2022, 12:20:54 PM
Sounds like Niemann and Pereira are bolting as well, so you’re losing two good young South Americans.  I don’t think Niemann has lasting power with his swing but he’s got a good 5 year stretch in him, ala Jason Day
I read somewhere that LIV was expanding their team size to 6. 4 playing and two alternate, so maybe Sergio recruited Niemann and Pereira to be on his all Spanish speaking team.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2022, 01:06:14 PM
I read somewhere that LIV was expanding their team size to 6. 4 playing and two alternate, so maybe Sergio recruited Niemann and Pereira to be on his all Spanish speaking team.

Sergio is a born loser
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2022, 01:28:03 PM
Cameron Young also going to LIV.  That’s a tough loss, too
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 10, 2022, 02:34:02 PM
Cameron Young also going to LIV.  That’s a tough loss, too

Not good.  Not good at all
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 10, 2022, 02:43:32 PM
I'm having a hard time getting all worked up about this.

Maybe that's because I watch the majors and just about nothing else. It also might be because that, eventually, these start-up leagues (in various sports) either fizzle out and die or end up merging with the established entity.

I feel confident in saying that I'll never watch a LIV event. But then again, I don't watch most PGA Tour events. And I don't see how this would affect my enjoyment of the Masters or U.S. Open.

But for those who really follow pro golf and enjoy watching many or most events, I can see how this would suck.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2022, 04:52:29 PM
Not good.  Not good at all

Appears this may not be true
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 10, 2022, 07:14:33 PM
Appears this may not be true

Hmmmmm.....okay.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 10, 2022, 07:33:52 PM
Loop Red and Forest Dunes today.   Loop Black tomorrow.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on August 10, 2022, 07:56:43 PM
I'm having a hard time getting all worked up about this.

Maybe that's because I watch the majors and just about nothing else. It also might be because that, eventually, these start-up leagues (in various sports) either fizzle out and die or end up merging with the established entity.

I feel confident in saying that I'll never watch a LIV event. But then again, I don't watch most PGA Tour events. And I don't see how this would affect my enjoyment of the Masters or U.S. Open.

But for those who really follow pro golf and enjoy watching many or most events, I can see how this would suck.

I get your point, however I think it is short-sided.

First, LIV is not your typical challenger league where the market (media deal, sponsorships, ticket sales) is dictating it's staying power. It is a government program, a long-term play with an open check book accountable to only one man. It is here to stay unfortunately.

In addition, what's happening in the professional game between LIV and The Tour will make an impact on the major championships. The majors can't hide from it. For one, the majors could ban LIV players. While I don't think that will happen, it would definitely diminish the quality of the field if it did. Even if a blanket ban doesn't occur, LIV guys are likely to have issues qualifying for some of the majors due to issues related OWGR points. If that happens, will Norman and LIV claim these majors are illegitimated? Norman wants to burn pro golf to the ground, I wouldn't put this past him. Suffice to say, not a good situation.

Furthermore, even if the LIV guys are playing in the majors, the whole LIV vs. The Tour arguments are going to suck the oxygen right out of the events. While the rivalry might add some fireworks to the first few events, I think it will quickly spiral down over time. The focus will be on the two tours, not the actually event taking place or the individuals battling for the title. This won't be good for the majors, nor the viewer. Another negative.

Finally, the split between LIV and The Tour I believe will diminish the interest in pro golf over time. Pro golf is a niche sport to begin with and splitting the talent pool is not the way to gain viewers. Also, after seeing what happened at the LIV Bedminster event I'm not sure LIV is even trying to really court a broader audience. They are saying one thing, but their actions are telling a different story.

The majors will always have their place in American sports and with casual sports fans. However, I don't see how having a smaller and less interested core audience will be a good thing for the Masters, The Open, etc. What's happening will undoubtedly bleed into the majors and I just don't see how that will be a positive.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 10, 2022, 08:12:35 PM
I'm having a hard time getting all worked up about this.

Maybe that's because I watch the majors and just about nothing else. It also might be because that, eventually, these start-up leagues (in various sports) either fizzle out and die or end up merging with the established entity.

I feel confident in saying that I'll never watch a LIV event. But then again, I don't watch most PGA Tour events. And I don't see how this would affect my enjoyment of the Masters or U.S. Open.

But for those who really follow pro golf and enjoy watching many or most events, I can see how this would suck.

I get your point, however I think it is short-sided.

First, LIV is not your typical challenger league where the market (media deal, sponsorships, ticket sales) is dictating it's staying power. It is a government program, a long-term play with an open check book accountable to only one man. It is here to stay unfortunately.

In addition, what's happening in the professional game between LIV and The Tour will make an impact on the major championships. The majors can't hide from it. For one, the majors could ban LIV players. While I don't think that will happen, it would definitely diminish the quality of the field if it did. Even if a blanket ban doesn't occur, LIV guys are likely to have issues qualifying for some of the majors due to issues related OWGR points. If that happens, will Norman and LIV claim these majors are illegitimated? Norman wants to burn pro golf to the ground, I wouldn't put this past him. Suffice to say, not a good situation.

Furthermore, even if the LIV guys are playing in the majors, the whole LIV vs. The Tour arguments are going to suck the oxygen right out of the events. While the rivalry might add some fireworks to the first few events, I think it will quickly spiral down over time. The focus will be on the two tours, not the actually event taking place or the individuals battling for the title. This won't be good for the majors, nor the viewer. Another negative.

Finally, the split between LIV and The Tour I believe will diminish the interest in pro golf over time. Pro golf is a niche sport to begin with and splitting the talent pool is not the way to gain viewers. Also, after seeing what happened at the LIV Bedminster event I'm not sure LIV is even trying to really court a broader audience. They are saying one thing, but their actions are telling a different story.

The majors will always have their place in American sports and with casual sports fans. However, I don't see how having a smaller and less interested core audience will be a good thing for the Masters, The Open, etc. What's happening will undoubtedly bleed into the majors and I just don't see how that will be a positive.

Some very good points are being made about the average sports fan only folllowing the majors and golf  being a niche TV sport

I think there is a real chance the big dollar PGA Tour sponsors get fed up and slowly start to pull their commitments from the tour once their commitments expire .

Corporate entertainment budgets are looking for something exciting or new. PGA Tour could get old and stale quickly. Purses could go down etc
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 10, 2022, 09:23:58 PM
You could be right about a lot of that, RJax. I guess we’ll see.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 10, 2022, 11:02:08 PM
LIV guys aren’t getting the invite postmarked from Washington Road.

Additionally, LIV will transform into a world tour, while PGAT becomes largely stateside. Meat eaters going to pretzel themselves into supporting the anti-American tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 03:18:52 PM
Hope Zalatoris can hang on and earn his first PGA Tour victory
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 04:26:16 PM
Hope Zalatoris can hang on and earn his first PGA Tour victory

Z is exceedingly dangerous Herman if he can ever figure out his putter.  Tremendous ball striker.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 04:40:18 PM
Sweet Jesus!  Perhaps I jinxed him. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 04:47:44 PM
BAM!!!  Nothing is over!!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:34:46 PM
Damn.  Freaking Straka.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:35:47 PM
Nevermind!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:36:52 PM
Wow.....some great putting. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 05:37:54 PM
Love this playoff
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:40:10 PM
Love this playoff

Zalatoris wins on 11?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:42:02 PM
Omg.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:42:32 PM
OMG!!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 05:44:17 PM
Straka with terrible course management

All he had to do was keep the ball away from water and he goes in
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:45:15 PM
Go back to the drop zone!!  IMMEDIATELY. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:46:26 PM
Straka with terrible course management

All he had to do was keep the ball away from water and he goes in

Not smart Herman.  :)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:47:15 PM
I cannot believe Z is thinking about hitting this.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:48:31 PM
That should have been a 2 second decision. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 05:49:46 PM
Z will stiff this shot
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:51:21 PM
X will stiff this shot

KABOOM!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 05:52:27 PM
Z will stiff this shot

Z will make this putt
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:55:18 PM
Z will make this putt

DOUBLE KABOOM!

Will (no pun intended) the floodgates open?   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 05:57:22 PM
DOUBLE KABOOM!

Will (no pun intended) the floodgates open?
Muggsy :
I think the flood gates will open for Z now
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 14, 2022, 05:58:53 PM
Muggsy :
I think the flood gates will open for Z now

He sure seems like the real deal to me.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 14, 2022, 06:17:34 PM
I'll hafta see the highlights on Sportscenter.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 07:59:49 PM
Golf Digest outlining some of the strategic alternatives for LIV and PGA Tour

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-liv-golf-future-saudi-arabia-royal-family-greg-norman-jay-monahan-phil-mickelson-rory-mcilroy-tv-streaming-rights
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2022, 08:01:57 PM
Golf Digest outlining some of the strategic alternatives for LIV and PGA Tour

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-liv-golf-future-saudi-arabia-royal-family-greg-norman-jay-monahan-phil-mickelson-rory-mcilroy-tv-streaming-rights

https://twitter.com/clubproguy/status/1558970332081430529?s=21&t=rhF-IwI35AaPI7teZlH5zQ
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2022, 08:07:33 PM
https://twitter.com/clubproguy/status/1558970332081430529?s=21&t=rhF-IwI35AaPI7teZlH5zQ
Tremendous . Well done.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on August 15, 2022, 07:09:52 AM
Herman

That is awesome. Made my day.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 15, 2022, 09:41:04 AM
https://twitter.com/clubproguy/status/1558970332081430529?s=21&t=rhF-IwI35AaPI7teZlH5zQ

Awesome. I'd have put Phil much higher because I'm not sure the Blood Money Tour could have happened without his willingness to trade his soul (and gambling debts) for piles of Saudi cash, but I thoroughly enjoyed this little video.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 15, 2022, 05:49:24 PM
Golf Digest outlining some of the strategic alternatives for LIV and PGA Tour

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-liv-golf-future-saudi-arabia-royal-family-greg-norman-jay-monahan-phil-mickelson-rory-mcilroy-tv-streaming-rights

Interesting and informative - thanks for sharing, Herman!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 17, 2022, 08:21:54 AM
Patrick Reed is suing Brandel Chamblee and Golf Channel for $750 million for defamation.  His lawyer is Larry Klayman, so you know it is a super serious case
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 17, 2022, 01:05:53 PM
Unintentionally very funny.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 17, 2022, 01:07:36 PM
Patrick Reed is suing Brandel Chamblee and Golf Channel for $750 million for defamation.  His lawyer is Larry Klayman, so you know it is a super serious case

LOL.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on August 17, 2022, 01:50:00 PM
Will he have to list his Twitter accounts as a part of this?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on August 17, 2022, 04:21:10 PM
Patrick Reed is suing Brandel Chamblee and Golf Channel for $750 million for defamation.  His lawyer is Larry Klayman, so you know it is a super serious case

https://twitter.com/dylan_dethier/status/1559754676895068160
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 17, 2022, 04:25:03 PM
Patrick Reed's house

https://twitter.com/ANTIFAldo/status/1559897388055158785?s=20&t=kTncI1ZpsvYj2vRBY7PAvA
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: jficke13 on August 17, 2022, 04:30:17 PM
Patrick Reed is suing Brandel Chamblee and Golf Channel for $750 million for defamation.  His lawyer is Larry Klayman, so you know it is a super serious case

Larry Klayman. Amazing. Dude's gonna lose hard enough that somehow he subjects himself to sanctions in the process as the cherry atop his Streisand Effect sundae.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on August 17, 2022, 04:36:27 PM
Patrick Reed's house

https://twitter.com/ANTIFAldo/status/1559897388055158785?s=20&t=kTncI1ZpsvYj2vRBY7PAvA

I'm not sure if the number of people in the comments who think that is actually his house in all those pics is hilarious or pathetic.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 17, 2022, 04:56:36 PM
Patrick Reed is suing Brandel Chamblee and Golf Channel for $750 million for defamation.  His lawyer is Larry Klayman, so you know it is a super serious case
I think when the guy updates his LIV Douchebag Power Rankings Reed will jump to Number One
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 17, 2022, 06:15:23 PM
This just in:

Patrick Reed suing 98% of golf fans for hating his guts.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 17, 2022, 06:53:07 PM
Patrick Reed's house

https://twitter.com/ANTIFAldo/status/1559897388055158785?s=20&t=kTncI1ZpsvYj2vRBY7PAvA

Is this in Transylvania?  WTH? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on August 17, 2022, 08:59:59 PM
Is this in Transylvania?  WTH?

It’s a joke. I don’t know about the 2 pics on the left but the pic with all the pictures on the table are from Urban Meyer’s house.  And the coffins are from a Dracula castle tourist spot in Romania
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 17, 2022, 09:54:06 PM
It’s a joke. I don’t know about the 2 pics on the left but the pic with all the pictures on the table are from Urban Meyer’s house.  And the coffins are from a Dracula castle tourist spot in Romania

Oh...I had no idea.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 18, 2022, 09:31:07 AM
Apparently part of the LIV contract requires them to recruit other players and wear LIV gear at non LIV events. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on August 18, 2022, 11:30:45 AM
Poulter playing in the DP World Tour tournament.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 21, 2022, 03:00:07 PM
Heckuva shootout at the BMW right now.  Plus, all of the energy around who makes the top 30 and East Lake is fascinating.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 21, 2022, 04:09:38 PM
Heckuva shootout at the BMW right now.  Plus, all of the energy around who makes the top 30 and East Lake is fascinating.

It’s no Bedminster Blood Money Invitational, but it’ll hafta do.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 21, 2022, 04:38:18 PM
Heckuva shootout at the BMW right now.  Plus, all of the energy around who makes the top 30 and East Lake is fascinating.

What in the world happened to Morikawa?  Do I see a 10 on his scorecard?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 21, 2022, 04:43:44 PM
Couldn't miss the water.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 21, 2022, 05:05:17 PM
Couldn't miss the water.

How concerned should he be Tower?  It' seems to me he tweaked his putting and things have gone South.  Is there something you see in his swing? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 21, 2022, 05:39:31 PM
Tom Weiskopf passed away today.  Great player that many felt underachieved a bit in his career.  Actually skipped a Ryder Cup in ‘77 to go on a vacation.  Great nickname of “The Towering Inferno” because of his temper.  Didn’t mind taking shots at Nicklaus or other top stars
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 21, 2022, 05:49:30 PM
TW was never a great putter.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 23, 2022, 11:37:32 PM
Was on the range today before my round. Took a swing with the Srixon 5-wood I bought 2 weeks ago - one I had only taken 4 swings with in the one round I played since buying, plus maybe 5 more swings on the range. Connected and the ball went about 200 yards -- which was about twice as far as the head of the club traveled.

Yep, the clubhead snapped clean off. I had to ask the others on the range to stop swinging for a minute while I ran and retrieved the clubhead.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 24, 2022, 06:57:32 PM
What's Walmart's return policy on golf clubs, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 24, 2022, 07:30:33 PM
In all seriousness, contact the retailer from whom you purchased them.   If you purchased them from Srixon on-line, contact their customer service.


And take some lessons
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 24, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
In all seriousness, contact the retailer from whom you purchased them.   If you purchased them from Srixon on-line, contact their customer service.


And take some lessons

Took it back to the PGA Tour Superstore today. They had one left in stock, so we just did an exchange. Easy peasy. Hopefully such a freak thing won't happen with this one. If it does, I'll have to go hang out with Doc Dribble's people at the Walmarts and see what they've got.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on August 24, 2022, 09:01:26 PM
A pretty good article summing up the changes to the PGA Tour coming as soon as 2023. Interesting how Rory appears to be the main guy defending the Tour. Lot more money coming to the players.

https://golf.com/news/pga-tour-structure-changes-10/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 08:51:23 AM
I didn't expect the Tour Championship and the Fed Ex Cup to have some drama.  Scheffy lost a bit of focus?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 08:56:18 AM
Perhaps I jinxed Schauffele.  Awful swing on 14.  Wow that was bad.  Rory could get hot.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2022, 09:03:22 AM
Perhaps I jinxed Schauffele.  Awful swing on 14.  Wow that was bad.  Rory could get hot.

I’m pulling for the Septic Tank
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 09:15:09 AM
I’m pulling for the Septic Tank

Sepp Straka?

Scheffler has a complete game.  He seems to have things back on track and will be tough to catch.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2022, 09:17:12 AM
Sepp Straka?

Scheffler has a complete game.  He seems to have things back on track and will be tough to catch.

The Septic Tank will shoot a 59
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 09:18:19 AM
The Septic Tank will shoot a 59

Who is the ST?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2022, 09:33:17 AM
Who is the ST?

Everyone knows who the Septic Tank is.  He’s going to bulldoze the field this afternoon after releasing all his golf game onto East Lake
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 10:12:01 AM
Scheffy got mad I guess.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 04:22:44 PM
Wow... Rory now in the driver's seat. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2022, 04:35:49 PM
SS shanks a putt.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 04:40:59 PM
SS shanks a putt.

That was not good at all.   I'm super surprised Scheffler has blown his 6 stroke lead. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 04:45:16 PM
Wow.  Who wants it?  Yikes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 04:47:58 PM
Holy crap! 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on August 28, 2022, 04:48:20 PM
SS shanks a putt.

Yep, barring a huge Rory choke, this was a donedeal once he hit that putt.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on August 28, 2022, 04:51:30 PM
That was a brutal, brutal, round from Scheffler.  Worst In the field. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2022, 04:54:53 PM
That was not good at all.   I'm super surprised Scheffler has blown his 6 stroke lead.
I am done being surprised.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2022, 05:18:13 PM
Well done by Rory, who has had a great couple of weeks as the face of the PGA Tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 28, 2022, 05:57:13 PM
Excellent Interview by Rory after winning the Fedex Cup and The Tour Championship. Glad to see the Season end on high note for Rory. Was competitive in all in the majors, work hard leading the Tour Players as the world changes for them. So if there was any one deserving of a big win , it is Rory. He won $18,000,000


https://www.pgatour.com/daily-wrapup/2022/08/28/rory-mcilroy-first-claim-third-fedexcup-with-tour-championship-win-east-lake.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 28, 2022, 09:09:33 PM
Excellent Interview by Rory after winning the Fedex Cup and The Tour Championship. Glad to see the Season end on high note for Rory. Was competitive in all in the majors, work hard leading the Tour Players as the world changes for them. So if there was any one deserving of a big win , it is Rory. He won $18,000,000

$18M is a ton of money, 9-9-9. I mean that’s almost double your best payday!

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 29, 2022, 06:53:08 PM
Well written farewell to PGA Tour letter by Cameron Tringale .

https://twitter.com/CamTringale/status/1563888795925241862/photo/1

Wonder how much LIV paid him
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 29, 2022, 07:06:59 PM
Because it was familiar, yesterday's final round of the tour championship was absolutely riveting to me.  I haven't yet been able to have even a nanosecond of interest in  LIV event.   Not sure I would even want the free tickets.   Not yet.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2022, 07:25:59 PM
Well written farewell to PGA Tour letter by Cameron Tringale .

https://twitter.com/CamTringale/status/1563888795925241862/photo/1

Wonder how much LIV paid him

I’m glad he prayed over it.  Wanking motion intensifies. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2022, 07:38:06 PM
I’m glad he prayed over it.  Wanking motion intensifies.

You mocking his praying when faced with a major decision speaks volumes about you. And nothing about him.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2022, 07:43:01 PM
You mocking his praying when faced with a major decision speaks volumes about you. And nothing about him.

I’m sure Jesus told him to take the money.  Wanking motion intensifies
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 29, 2022, 07:53:47 PM
You mocking his praying when faced with a major decision speaks volumes about you. And nothing about him.

Thursdays at five.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2022, 08:02:39 PM
Thursdays at five.

Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

That’s part of his Twitter bio.  Little on the nose
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 29, 2022, 08:24:47 PM
Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

That’s part of his Twitter bio.  Little on the nose

That’s the essence right there.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2022, 08:27:46 PM
Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

That’s part of his Twitter bio.  Little on the nose

Matthew 7:1 - Judge not lest ye be judged.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 29, 2022, 08:30:49 PM
Matthew 7:1 - Judge not lest ye be judged.

You mocking his praying when faced with a major decision speaks volumes about you. And nothing about him.

🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤪🤪🤪
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 29, 2022, 08:41:36 PM
(https://pics.filmaffinity.com/Green_Day_Walking_Contradiction_Music_Video-438727390-mmed.jpg)

Shoot, this isn’t the music thread.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 29, 2022, 08:43:53 PM
🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤪🤪🤪

Three Sultanbergers, three “0s”, three Ricos - hope you’re not all in on that hand.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 29, 2022, 09:34:07 PM
I’m glad he prayed over it.  Wanking motion intensifies.
Zero career PGA Tour wins, he should be praising The Lord.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 29, 2022, 10:55:41 PM
Zero career PGA Tour wins, he should be praising The Lord.

A career worthy of $18m no?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 30, 2022, 06:52:07 AM
From Columbus Dispatch columnist Rob Oller:

“Not many of LIV’s players are particularly likable. Garcia, Reed and DeChambeau belong on an injury lawyer billboard. The majority of LIV fields consist of has-beens and never-were’s. But my distaste for LIV goes beyond that … Results matter. LIV is exhibition golf, plain and simple. So is the virtual golf league being put together by Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy… Anything that smells like TopGolf meets Putt-Putt can’t hold my interest.”
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 30, 2022, 07:26:08 AM
From Columbus Dispatch columnist Rob Oller:

“Not many of LIV’s players are particularly likable. Garcia, Reed and DeChambeau belong on an injury lawyer billboard. The majority of LIV fields consist of has-beens and never-were’s. But my distaste for LIV goes beyond that … Results matter. LIV is exhibition golf, plain and simple. So is the virtual golf league being put together by Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy… Anything that smells like TopGolf meets Putt-Putt can’t hold my interest.”

Mr. Oller may want to understand that the future of golf may not be exclusive to 72 hole stroke play.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 30, 2022, 08:19:26 AM
Mr. Oller may want to understand that the future of golf may not be exclusive to 72 hole stroke play.

He's giving his opinion that, today, the PGA Tour plays competitive, championship golf events and the LIV plays glorified exhibitions. Is he wrong?

That could change next season, or the season after that ... or LIV could cease to exist ... or maybe Greg Norman's wet dream will come true and the PGA Tour will cease to exist.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 30, 2022, 08:41:24 AM
He's giving his opinion that, today, the PGA Tour plays competitive, championship golf events and the LIV plays glorified exhibitions. Is he wrong?

That could change next season, or the season after that ... or LIV could cease to exist ... or maybe Greg Norman's wet dream will come true and the PGA Tour will cease to exist.

He's not wrong in regards to LIV, they have their own created issue with actual competition. Tossing the TGL away like trash is shortsighted.

The golf community loves to scream that golf needs juice again, but yet refuse to acknowledge any change could be good.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 30, 2022, 08:52:36 AM
He's not wrong in regards to LIV, they have their own created issue with actual competition. Tossing the TGL away like trash is shortsighted.

The golf community loves to scream that golf needs juice again, but yet refuse to acknowledge any change could be good.

Or at least worthy of trying.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on August 30, 2022, 08:57:05 AM
COVID was the juice recreational golf needed.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 30, 2022, 09:01:31 AM
Or at least worthy of trying.

The TGL thing may suck, but it may be awesome. Let's see what plays out, I'm interested in a prime time hit and giggle.

COVID was the juice recreational golf needed.

Shrink the game.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 30, 2022, 09:01:58 AM
COVID was the juice recreational golf needed.

And look at the growth "off course."  At simulators, Top Golf, etc.  It's a younger, more female and more diverse audience.  Makes perfect sense for the PGA to try to capture that.

https://www.ngf.org/participation-and-engagement-rise-again/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUBurrow on August 30, 2022, 09:54:01 AM
He's not wrong in regards to LIV, they have their own created issue with actual competition. Tossing the TGL away like trash is shortsighted.

The golf community loves to scream that golf needs juice again, but yet refuse to acknowledge any change could be good.

And there is such a difference between replacing the traditional 72 hole tournament vs supplementing it.  I'm of the generation that still talks wistfully about those QB competitions at the Pro Bowl.  Why not add some of that for golf? 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on August 30, 2022, 10:00:35 AM
Shrink the game.

I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on August 30, 2022, 10:29:12 AM
You mocking his praying when faced with a major decision speaks volumes about you. And nothing about him.

My decision to chase more personal wealth by getting into bed with a murderous and oppressive regime is totes OK, guys, cause I prayed.
Says a lot about him.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
My decision to chase more personal wealth by getting into bed with a murderous and oppressive regime is totes OK, guys, cause I prayed.
Says a lot about him.

Just once, I want an athlete to say, “I prayed on it and I’ll agree to lesser money”
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 30, 2022, 01:46:01 PM
Jacksonville is upset because the two defending champions of Local events , Smith at the Players , and Mickelson at The Furyk and Friends , senior event are not defending.

Some interesting comments from Smith in this article about being able to spend more time in Australia with his mates.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/golf/2022/08/30/cameron-smith-bolts-liv-golf-series-wont-defend-players-title/7939015001/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2022, 01:58:05 PM
Jacksonville is upset because the two defending champions of Local events , Smith at the Players , and Mickelson at The Furyk and Friends , senior event are not defending.

Some interesting comments from Smith in this article about being able to spend more time in Australia with his mates.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/golf/2022/08/30/cameron-smith-bolts-liv-golf-series-wont-defend-players-title/7939015001/

I have my doubts Jacksonville is that upset
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 30, 2022, 08:44:08 PM
Just once, I want an athlete to say, “I prayed on it and I’ll agree to lesser money”

Lesser money doesn’t fill up the collection baskets.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on August 30, 2022, 09:33:45 PM
Matthew 7:1 - Judge not lest ye be judged.

Well after you defund the FBI, I guess you want to defund the courts next.

The Bible verse is about judging what is in men's hearts - it isn't about judging their actions.

But you get extra points for misusing the Bible whenever it is convenient.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 30, 2022, 11:39:03 PM
Well after you defund the FBI, I guess you want to defund the courts next.

The Bible verse is about judging what is in men's hearts - it isn't about judging their actions.

But you get extra points for misusing the Bible whenever it is convenient.

I’ll ignore your idiotic FBI reference as it’s a total red herring - one of your specialties.

To your “point” (lol), when Rico and his band of merry men mocked Tringale - for praying before making a major life decision - judging what was in his heart was exactly what they were doing. As you point out, anyone is free to criticize his decision, but not was in his heart. Thanks for (accidentally) making my (and the Bible’s) point.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 31, 2022, 07:37:33 AM
Why are people so mean?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on August 31, 2022, 08:24:38 AM
Harold Varner farewell letter to PGA Tour . Straight up honest it’s for the money

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch5H1zWufYI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 31, 2022, 08:33:04 AM
I’ll ignore your idiotic FBI reference as it’s a total red herring - one of your specialties.

To your “point” (lol), when Rico and his band of merry men mocked Tringale - for praying before making a major life decision - judging what was in his heart was exactly what they were doing. As you point out, anyone is free to criticize his decision, but not was in his heart. Thanks for (accidentally) making my (and the Bible’s) point.

Wanking motion
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on August 31, 2022, 09:13:38 AM
I find it interesting how many times God allegedly tells people exactly what they want to hear.

*God voice*

"Yes, my child. Take all the riches and play on the tour funded by that regime that executes people for fun."

GTFOH.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on August 31, 2022, 09:30:03 AM
I find it interesting how many times God allegedly tells people exactly what they want to hear.


Imagine the conversations he has with rocket.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 31, 2022, 09:39:23 AM
Imagine the conversations he has with rocket.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/43/55/8a/43558a651881d88bab4ab91bf7bfd44b.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on August 31, 2022, 09:42:13 AM
I’ll ignore your idiotic FBI reference as it’s a total red herring - one of your specialties.

To your “point” (lol), when Rico and his band of merry men mocked Tringale - for praying before making a major life decision - judging what was in his heart was exactly what they were doing. As you point out, anyone is free to criticize his decision, but not was in his heart. Thanks for (accidentally) making my (and the Bible’s) point.

We're not mocking him for praying before making a major life decision.
We're making fun of him for publicizing his praying as a shield against the totally deserved criticism he knew he would face for getting into bed with the Saudis to further enrich himself (which, I'm sure, is exactly what God told him to do ... Jesus was all about making bank).
And apparently one person has fallen for it.
 
Matthew 6:5-6
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Jockey on August 31, 2022, 09:58:24 AM
We're not mocking him for praying before making a major life decision.
We're making fun of him for publicizing his praying as a shield against the totally deserved criticism he knew he would face for getting into bed with the Saudis to further enrich himself (which, I'm sure, is exactly what God told him to do ... Jesus was all about making bank).
And apparently one person has fallen for it.
 
Matthew 6:5-6

A Public display of prayer was something Jesus spoke out against.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on August 31, 2022, 10:19:17 AM
I do respect Varner’s comments. He at least came out and said this is about money and setting my family up for life. He seems like a guy who LIV is perfect for. Steady career, but not really a guarantee for big dollars. Might as well take the sure thing and lock in those earnings*.

*This is assuming LIV’s contracts aren’t a bit of a Trojan Horse. It seems like there’s some articles that come out every once in awhile that the guaranteed income isn’t as guaranteed as we think.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on August 31, 2022, 01:43:12 PM
Harold Varner farewell letter to PGA Tour . Straight up honest it’s for the money

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch5H1zWufYI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Respect.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on August 31, 2022, 07:43:44 PM
Wanking motion

Give it a breather - that little thing’s gonna fall off.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on August 31, 2022, 09:39:23 PM
Respect.

A brief Varner follow up.

https://golf.com/news/harold-varner-liv-golf-hated/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 07:48:32 AM
A brief Varner follow up.

https://golf.com/news/harold-varner-liv-golf-hated/

The sport is probably deeper than it has ever been.  Younger players are taking up spots faster than ever and guys like Varner and Tringale are going to get lapped.  I know why they jumped, the guaranteed money versus the coming reckoning for their careers makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is, why LIV punts younger guys for two guys like this.  It’s not healthy for the sport when competetion scares guys to take guaranteed money.  Cam Smith will be a great case study.  Can he remain an elite player?  Can Niemann reach the heights his game exhibited?  Big risks for achieving lasting greatness but great for the checkbook.  It’s a fascinating dichotomy putting all the other issues aside
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on September 01, 2022, 10:06:54 AM
The sport is probably deeper than it has ever been.  Younger players are taking up spots faster than ever and guys like Varner and Tringale are going to get lapped.  I know why they jumped, the guaranteed money versus the coming reckoning for their careers makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is, why LIV punts younger guys for two guys like this.  It’s not healthy for the sport when competetion scares guys to take guaranteed money.  Cam Smith will be a great case study.  Can he remain an elite player?  Can Niemann reach the heights his game exhibited?  Big risks for achieving lasting greatness but great for the checkbook.  It’s a fascinating dichotomy putting all the other issues aside

I don't get it either. Varner is an engaging guy with a nice story who's liked on social, so I guess there's some value there. Tringale on the other hand, woof.

The buzz at the moment for LIV is what new guy they are adding next. Reminds me of the start of the NWO in WCW. Who's next, lol. However, I feel that could be coming to an end pretty soon. Then what?

They don't seem too interested in creating their own stars. Continue to try and poach from The Tour? If so, I agree with you, the competition issue has a chance to become a major problem in trying to lure young Tour players. It will be fascinating to watch how the prime LIV players fare in the major championships over the next few years.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 01, 2022, 10:10:46 AM
The sport is probably deeper than it has ever been.  Younger players are taking up spots faster than ever and guys like Varner and Tringale are going to get lapped.  I know why they jumped, the guaranteed money versus the coming reckoning for their careers makes sense.

What doesn’t make sense is, why LIV punts younger guys for two guys like this.  It’s not healthy for the sport when competetion scares guys to take guaranteed money.  Cam Smith will be a great case study.  Can he remain an elite player?  Can Niemann reach the heights his game exhibited?  Big risks for achieving lasting greatness but great for the checkbook.  It’s a fascinating dichotomy putting all the other issues aside

Totally agree, Unk.

Plus, any post that can use “dichotomy” correctly is automatically a good one!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on September 01, 2022, 10:27:14 AM
It will be fascinating to watch how the prime LIV players fare in the major championships over the next few years.

How and if they're allowed to compete outside existing exemptions.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on September 01, 2022, 10:44:43 AM
I don't get it either. Varner is an engaging guy with a nice story who's liked on social, so I guess there's some value there. Tringale on the other hand, woof.

The buzz at the moment for LIV is what new guy they are adding next. Reminds me of the start of the NWO in WCW. Who's next, lol. However, I feel that could be coming to an end pretty soon. Then what?

Prediction: Rory McIlroy turns heel, joins LIV, grows a beard and goes by Ryadh Rory.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on September 01, 2022, 10:51:38 AM
How and if they're allowed to compete outside existing exemptions.

The guys I'm referring to are Cam Smith, Bryson, Reed, DJ, and Brooks. All should been eligible via existing exemptions over the course of the next few years, if they are honored.

Niemann is the one to watch. I believe he will need his OWGR to qualify for the Masters. He's currently 19. Where will he be come March?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 12:10:22 PM
The guys I'm referring to are Cam Smith, Bryson, Reed, DJ, and Brooks. All should been eligible via existing exemptions over the course of the next few years, if they are honored.

Niemann is the one to watch. I believe he will need his OWGR to qualify for the Masters. He's currently 19. Where will he be come March?

I believe Reed’s exemptions outside the Masters end after 2023 and 2024 for Brooks.  I think Brooks is cooked anyway.  No one buys his alpha dog BS anymore and Reed has been pretty inconsistent since last spring
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on September 01, 2022, 12:37:38 PM
I believe Reed’s exemptions outside the Masters end after 2023 and 2024 for Brooks.  I think Brooks is cooked anyway.  No one buys his alpha dog BS anymore and Reed has been pretty inconsistent since last spring

You're right. I thought it was a 10-year exemption after winning the Masters for the other majors, but it is only 5 years. So, yeah, time is almost up for Reed.

I think deep-down Brooks hates golf. He always wanted to be a professional athlete, but there's some weird self-loathing that only way he could do so was by playing golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 12:43:11 PM
You're right. I thought it was a 10-year exemption after winning the Masters for the other majors, but it is only 5 years. So, yeah, time is almost up for Reed.

I think deep-down Brooks hates golf. He always wanted to be a professional athlete, but there's some weird self-loathing that only way he could do so was by playing golf.

Brooks is the classic bully who got punched in the face and didn’t know how to react.  First DJ having the crowd behind him at Bethpage and FIGJAM slow playing him at Kiawah.  Mix in the loss at Harding Park and generally not being a real factor elsewhere and you get a guy with no other game plan
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on September 01, 2022, 01:33:26 PM
You're right. I thought it was a 10-year exemption after winning the Masters for the other majors, but it is only 5 years. So, yeah, time is almost up for Reed.

I think deep-down Brooks hates golf. He always wanted to be a professional athlete, but there's some weird self-loathing that only way he could do so was by playing golf.

I think he’s said as much in his PMT interview. That’s why he really only practices for the majors. He mentioned getting bored midway through rounds.

I think in that interview he mentioned baseball was the sport he had a passion for.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on September 01, 2022, 01:36:30 PM
I think he’s said as much in his PMT interview. That’s why he really only practices for the majors. He mentioned getting bored midway through rounds.

I think in that interview he mentioned baseball was the sport he had a passion for.

It's an act.
Nobody gets to the pinnacle of their profession, especially as a professional athlete, by hating it. He may hate what it entails to stay at the top, but no way he just hates playing golf.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on September 01, 2022, 02:16:55 PM
It's an act.
Nobody gets to the pinnacle of their profession, especially as a professional athlete, by hating it. He may hate what it entails to stay at the top, but no way he just hates playing golf.

I agree that he doesn't hate golf as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't love 80-90% of the non competition part of the game.  And much like a gambler who increases stakes, lower (non-major) stakes don't excite him.  I think it seems silly for the vast majority of casual golf fans/rec players, but I understand it in a way.

Ive mentioned here before, my best friend in college was a D1 safety.  Freakish athlete.  But he didn't love football.  He liked basketball much more and wished he was a basketball player, but a D1 football scholarship was more appealing than D3 basketball offers.  He did the bare minimum, became a serviceable starter but could have been much more.  His older brother played a few years in the NFL and was in love with the game, but was undersized for his position.  Meanwhile, my buddy had all the physical tools and on field intelligence, but little desire.  I talked to him a bit ago and he joked how he hadn't even played flag football since he graduated.  One of their good childhood friends is now a D1 position coach and asked my buddy if he ever thought about coaching or if he missed the game...the response was a resounding "nah".
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 02:58:32 PM
I agree that he doesn't hate golf as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't love 80-90% of the non competition part of the game.  And much like a gambler who increases stakes, lower (non-major) stakes don't excite him.  I think it seems silly for the vast majority of casual golf fans/rec players, but I understand it in a way.

Ive mentioned here before, my best friend in college was a D1 safety.  Freakish athlete.  But he didn't love football.  He liked basketball much more and wished he was a basketball player, but a D1 football scholarship was more appealing than D3 basketball offers.  He did the bare minimum, became a serviceable starter but could have been much more.  His older brother played a few years in the NFL and was in love with the game, but was undersized for his position.  Meanwhile, my buddy had all the physical tools and on field intelligence, but little desire.  I talked to him a bit ago and he joked how he hadn't even played flag football since he graduated.  One of their good childhood friends is now a D1 position coach and asked my buddy if he ever thought about coaching or if he missed the game...the response was a resounding "nah".

We'll never know if Koepka could have been a pro baseball player.  He stopped playing as a 10 yr old after a serious car accident.  So while baseball may have been his first love, it's a little different situation than someone who was a high  D-1 safety or college baseball player.    In other words the insinuation that he doesn't like golf because of his affinity to baseball is a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on September 01, 2022, 03:30:04 PM
We'll never know if Koepka could have been a pro baseball player.  He stopped playing as a 10 yr old after a serious car accident.  So while baseball may have been his first love, it's a little different situation than someone who was a high  D-1 safety or college baseball player.    In other words the insinuation that he doesn't like golf because of his affinity to baseball is a bit of a stretch.

The point is there are elite athletes who don't love the sport they play, to varying degrees.  Guys that when they retire, they don't watch the league they played in.  YMMV on how much it affects their career trajectory or how much they pursue other passions.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 01, 2022, 03:37:16 PM
The point is there are elite athletes who don't love the sport they play, to varying degrees.  Guys that when they retire, they don't watch the league they played in.  YMMV on how much it affects their career trajectory or how much they pursue other passions.


Curtis Martin from his HOF speech:  "Everyone here who knows me, you know that I was never a football fan. I wasn’t the type of guy to watch football.  I could probably count on one hand how many football games I’ve watched from beginning to end in my lifetime."
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 01, 2022, 03:41:28 PM
Does Brooks like golf or not?  Not sure other than to go on what he says, however, I do believe his alpha dog shtick got exposed and he didn’t have any other ammunition.

Maybe that’s the answer, he doesn’t like golf and actually having to work to win doesn’t appeal to him.  That’s fine.  Either way, I think he’s done as a legit threat to win majors saving a hot weekend
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 03:46:02 PM
The point is there are elite athletes who don't love the sport they play, to varying degrees.  Guys that when they retire, they don't watch the league they played in.  YMMV on how much it affects their career trajectory or how much they pursue other passions.

I don't disagree with you but I think you have to make a distinction between obvious elite athletes and Koepka. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 01, 2022, 03:47:28 PM
It was schtick.   He promoted how physically fit he was and how focused he was and how simple the game was for him to to intimidate other golfers at majors.    Then he would find a chip to put on his shoulder when the golf channel didn't call him the favorite.    It worked for a bit.    Then his body started breaking down and with that he couldn't maintain the facade of superiority.   It was a nice run and I enjoyed watching him play while at his best.    But his body and that attitude have a short shelf life.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 04:03:14 PM
It was schtick.   He promoted how physically fit he was and how focused he was and how simple the game was for him to to intimidate other golfers at majors.    Then he would find a chip to put on his shoulder when the golf channel didn't call him the favorite.    It worked for a bit.    Then his body started breaking down and with that he couldn't maintain the facade of superiority.   It was a nice run and I enjoyed watching him play while at his best.    But his body and that attitude have a short shelf life.

I'm with you on this one. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Pakuni on September 01, 2022, 04:19:20 PM
I agree that he doesn't hate golf as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't love 80-90% of the non competition part of the game.  And much like a gambler who increases stakes, lower (non-major) stakes don't excite him.  I think it seems silly for the vast majority of casual golf fans/rec players, but I understand it in a way.

Ive mentioned here before, my best friend in college was a D1 safety.  Freakish athlete.  But he didn't love football.  He liked basketball much more and wished he was a basketball player, but a D1 football scholarship was more appealing than D3 basketball offers.  He did the bare minimum, became a serviceable starter but could have been much more.  His older brother played a few years in the NFL and was in love with the game, but was undersized for his position.  Meanwhile, my buddy had all the physical tools and on field intelligence, but little desire.  I talked to him a bit ago and he joked how he hadn't even played flag football since he graduated.  One of their good childhood friends is now a D1 position coach and asked my buddy if he ever thought about coaching or if he missed the game...the response was a resounding "nah".

Doesn't this anecdote kind of prove my point?
Brooks Koepka didn't became a serviceable college golfer on account of his natural skills. He became a three-time All-American, turned pro and won four major championships on his way to becoming the #1 ranked golfer in the world for nearly a full calendar year.
I don't think anyone puts in the time and effort to accomplish that while hating golf. Becoming the best in the world at anything requires an obsessive desire.
I think the "I hate golf and only care about the majors" bit is part of his too-cool-for-school routine.
 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on September 01, 2022, 05:07:35 PM
Doesn't this anecdote kind of prove my point?
Brooks Koepka didn't became a serviceable college golfer on account of his natural skills. He became a three-time All-American, turned pro and won four major championships on his way to becoming the #1 ranked golfer in the world for nearly a full calendar year.
I don't think anyone puts in the time and effort to accomplish that while hating golf. Becoming the best in the world at anything requires an obsessive desire.
I think the "I hate golf and only care about the majors" bit is part of his too-cool-for-school routine.

Has he claimed to always have hated golf?  Cause that would be BS.  But I can totally buy he didn't love it the last 5+ years, idk.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 01, 2022, 06:04:28 PM
Doesn't this anecdote kind of prove my point?
Brooks Koepka didn't became a serviceable college golfer on account of his natural skills. He became a three-time All-American, turned pro and won four major championships on his way to becoming the #1 ranked golfer in the world for nearly a full calendar year.
I don't think anyone puts in the time and effort to accomplish that while hating golf. Becoming the best in the world at anything requires an obsessive desire.
I think the "I hate golf and only care about the majors" bit is part of his too-cool-for-school routine.

Excellent point Pakumi.  I'm gonna go with this is utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 04, 2022, 04:12:13 PM
Herb Kohler passed away yesterday.  Kohler’s choice to build world class golf courses in Wisconsin helped turn the state into a golf destination
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on September 04, 2022, 06:23:15 PM
Herb Kohler passed away yesterday.  Kohler’s choice to build world class golf courses in Wisconsin helped turn the state into a golf destination

Yep. Wish they were moving dirt on the Andrae site before he passed.

#83nation
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 04, 2022, 06:36:04 PM
Herb Kohler passed away yesterday.  Kohler’s choice to build world class golf courses in Wisconsin helped turn the state into a golf destination

He got to see the Ryder Cup at his place.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on September 04, 2022, 07:20:59 PM
Excellent Video Interview embedded with Herb Kohler discussing Whistling Straits on the eve of The Ryder Cup

https://www.wisn.com/article/kohler-co-executive-chairman-herbert-kohler-jr-dies/41076068#
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on September 05, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
DJ and Paulina having fun after DJ win in playoff at LIV

https://nypost.com/2022/09/05/paulina-gretzky-dustin-johnson-celebrate-4-million-liv-golf-win/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2022, 06:48:00 AM
Golfweek's Eamon Lynch eviscerates Sergio Garcia:

However implausible it may seem now, once upon a time Sergio Garcia enjoyed a reputation that was, if not quite the gold standard, then at least a couple of notches above junk status. That was when he was a teenage phenom scissor-kicking down the fairway in pursuit of Tiger Woods, when success — particularly in major championships — seemed not only assured but imminent. In the almost 20 years that elapsed before that major win finally came, Garcia didn’t mature, his only growth apparent in a disposition that became more sullen, more entitled, more petulant and more unprofessional.

The data set for Garcia’s dickish behavior was augmented right up until his final regular event on the PGA Tour, where he has earned more than $54 million, before bonuses. At May’s Wells Fargo Championship, he bellyached about an unfair ruling before announcing, “I can’t wait to leave this tour. I can’t wait to get out of here … ” His words fell like a welcome rain on the usually arid world of rules officials.

Garcia decamped to LIV Golf with a lengthy résumé of gauche antics, select lowlights of which include flinging his shoe into a gallery, flipping off spectators, spitting into the cup, and getting booted from a tournament in Saudi Arabia for defacing five greens during an extended conniption (that he found the Saudis’ limit for unseemly conduct is an accomplishment at least as impressive as winning the Masters). But like other LIV defectors, he wants to continue cherry-picking the most important stops on the tours he left behind. The BMW PGA Championship, for example, which was held this week in England.

The Spaniard had been asked about the chilly reception likely awaiting at Wentworth and his response sounded a note of selfishness that was wholly on-brand: “What I’m going to do is support the European tour and that’s all I can do. Whoever doesn’t like it, too bad for them.”

The “them” for whom it was too bad included the many competitors who objected to the presence of 18 LIV members in the field; the DP World Tour itself, which made clear the LIV outcasts were in only under legal duress; and the luckless players on the alternate list, who were denied 18 opportunities to compete in their tour’s premier tournament.

Garcia’s professed support of the DP World Tour has never been much in evidence at its flagship event, where he has appeared only twice in the past 22 years. On his last showing, in 2014, he quit after one round. If nothing else, this week indicated how little he has changed in the intervening years.

In Thursday’s first round, Garcia shot a 76 that had him firmly at the arse-end of the leaderboard. He was finished by the time news broke of Queen Elizabeth II’s death, which prompted a suspension of play and reduced the championship to 54 holes. When matters resumed on Saturday, he was announced as having withdrawn. A few hours later, he was sideline at the Texas-Alabama game in Austin, 5,000 miles from Wentworth. He did not extend tournament organizers the courtesy of an explanation for his WD.

There were other WDs, but Garcia was the only LIV member to commandeer a precious spot in the field and then abandon it after 18 indifferent holes. His was also the only WD intended as a middle finger to the DP World Tour and its unwelcoming members. To interpret it as anything else demands a generosity that he has not earned.

So why did Garcia enter a tournament at which he wasn’t welcome, played on a course he doesn’t like? Because LIV expects its infantrymen to present themselves at every significant event for which they are eligible — to normalize its existence, to grab world ranking points, and to otherwise disrupt the status quo. And LIV doesn’t own a man more infantile than Garcia.

It’s futile to wonder if Garcia’s reputation among his peers will be hurt by this latest unprofessionalism since one cannot further diminish that which has already been rendered fecal. He ensured as much at the BMW International Open in Munich earlier this summer with a locker room tirade overheard by a number of players. “This Tour is s***, you’re all f****d, should have taken the Saudi money!” he was widely reported to have shouted.

“Amazing how fast you can lose respect for someone that you’ve looked up to all your life,” said a barely cryptic tweet by Scotland’s Bob MacIntyre shortly afterward.

“He fooled a lot of people for quite some time,” said a Saturday evening text from one person who has known Garcia well for his entire career, “but I think his true colors are now visible in glorious technicolor.”

It’s unlikely that Garcia will exhibit the same contempt for his new employers as he did for the DP World Tour and his fellow players at Wentworth, not least because the boss is known to get sawed off at dissent. He’s obliged by contracts and cash to meet his commitments on LIV’s circuit. All that was required to fulfill the obligation he assumed at Wentworth was professionalism and courtesy. Predictably, he was again found wanting.

Whatever the amount that greased Garcia’s palm for the jump to LIV, it didn’t buy him the one thing he has never possessed, nor apparently ever sought: class. Not even MBS can gift him that. At some point, the Saudis will glumly realize just what they have bought. Too bad for them.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2022, 07:38:36 AM
Golfweek's Eamon Lynch eviscerates Sergio Garcia:

However implausible it may seem now, once upon a time Sergio Garcia enjoyed a reputation that was, if not quite the gold standard, then at least a couple of notches above junk status. That was when he was a teenage phenom scissor-kicking down the fairway in pursuit of Tiger Woods, when success — particularly in major championships — seemed not only assured but imminent. In the almost 20 years that elapsed before that major win finally came, Garcia didn’t mature, his only growth apparent in a disposition that became more sullen, more entitled, more petulant and more unprofessional.

The data set for Garcia’s dickish behavior was augmented right up until his final regular event on the PGA Tour, where he has earned more than $54 million, before bonuses. At May’s Wells Fargo Championship, he bellyached about an unfair ruling before announcing, “I can’t wait to leave this tour. I can’t wait to get out of here … ” His words fell like a welcome rain on the usually arid world of rules officials.

Garcia decamped to LIV Golf with a lengthy résumé of gauche antics, select lowlights of which include flinging his shoe into a gallery, flipping off spectators, spitting into the cup, and getting booted from a tournament in Saudi Arabia for defacing five greens during an extended conniption (that he found the Saudis’ limit for unseemly conduct is an accomplishment at least as impressive as winning the Masters). But like other LIV defectors, he wants to continue cherry-picking the most important stops on the tours he left behind. The BMW PGA Championship, for example, which was held this week in England.

The Spaniard had been asked about the chilly reception likely awaiting at Wentworth and his response sounded a note of selfishness that was wholly on-brand: “What I’m going to do is support the European tour and that’s all I can do. Whoever doesn’t like it, too bad for them.”

The “them” for whom it was too bad included the many competitors who objected to the presence of 18 LIV members in the field; the DP World Tour itself, which made clear the LIV outcasts were in only under legal duress; and the luckless players on the alternate list, who were denied 18 opportunities to compete in their tour’s premier tournament.

Garcia’s professed support of the DP World Tour has never been much in evidence at its flagship event, where he has appeared only twice in the past 22 years. On his last showing, in 2014, he quit after one round. If nothing else, this week indicated how little he has changed in the intervening years.

In Thursday’s first round, Garcia shot a 76 that had him firmly at the arse-end of the leaderboard. He was finished by the time news broke of Queen Elizabeth II’s death, which prompted a suspension of play and reduced the championship to 54 holes. When matters resumed on Saturday, he was announced as having withdrawn. A few hours later, he was sideline at the Texas-Alabama game in Austin, 5,000 miles from Wentworth. He did not extend tournament organizers the courtesy of an explanation for his WD.

There were other WDs, but Garcia was the only LIV member to commandeer a precious spot in the field and then abandon it after 18 indifferent holes. His was also the only WD intended as a middle finger to the DP World Tour and its unwelcoming members. To interpret it as anything else demands a generosity that he has not earned.

So why did Garcia enter a tournament at which he wasn’t welcome, played on a course he doesn’t like? Because LIV expects its infantrymen to present themselves at every significant event for which they are eligible — to normalize its existence, to grab world ranking points, and to otherwise disrupt the status quo. And LIV doesn’t own a man more infantile than Garcia.

It’s futile to wonder if Garcia’s reputation among his peers will be hurt by this latest unprofessionalism since one cannot further diminish that which has already been rendered fecal. He ensured as much at the BMW International Open in Munich earlier this summer with a locker room tirade overheard by a number of players. “This Tour is s***, you’re all f****d, should have taken the Saudi money!” he was widely reported to have shouted.

“Amazing how fast you can lose respect for someone that you’ve looked up to all your life,” said a barely cryptic tweet by Scotland’s Bob MacIntyre shortly afterward.

“He fooled a lot of people for quite some time,” said a Saturday evening text from one person who has known Garcia well for his entire career, “but I think his true colors are now visible in glorious technicolor.”

It’s unlikely that Garcia will exhibit the same contempt for his new employers as he did for the DP World Tour and his fellow players at Wentworth, not least because the boss is known to get sawed off at dissent. He’s obliged by contracts and cash to meet his commitments on LIV’s circuit. All that was required to fulfill the obligation he assumed at Wentworth was professionalism and courtesy. Predictably, he was again found wanting.

Whatever the amount that greased Garcia’s palm for the jump to LIV, it didn’t buy him the one thing he has never possessed, nor apparently ever sought: class. Not even MBS can gift him that. At some point, the Saudis will glumly realize just what they have bought. Too bad for them.


Sergio is who he has always been, a petulant child.  He hasn’t grown one bit in 25 years of professional golf. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2022, 07:53:58 AM
Sergio is who he has always been, a petulant child.  He hasn’t grown one bit in 25 years of professional golf.

Those of us who were lucky enough to be at Medinah in 1999 thought we were witnessing the start of a new era in golf -- a talented, fun-to-watch teenager ready to battle Tiger Woods (then only 23) for years and years and years.

But he soon turned into exactly what you say, Unk. What could have been.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2022, 08:56:59 AM
Sergio is who he has always been, a petulant child.  He hasn’t grown one bit in 25 years of professional golf.
Sergio is a guy who constantly snatches defeat from the jaws of Victory. By being a total jerk and having lack of emotional control his whole career ,he wasted his wimmense talent .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2022, 09:22:22 AM
the jaws of Victoria

A favorite porno of yours?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2022, 10:21:19 AM
A favorite porno of yours?
Lol correction noted
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on September 12, 2022, 10:22:03 AM
“He fooled a lot of people for quite some time,” said a Saturday evening text from one person who has known Garcia well for his entire career, “but I think his true colors are now visible in glorious technicolor.”

Who, exactly, was fooled by this? He's always been a colossal prick.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on September 12, 2022, 03:07:19 PM
“He fooled a lot of people for quite some time,” said a Saturday evening text from one person who has known Garcia well for his entire career, “but I think his true colors are now visible in glorious technicolor.”

Who, exactly, was fooled by this? He's always been a colossal prick.

Some of the Euros. They chalk up Sergio's behavior to his Spanish blood, all that bs. Complete nonsense, but hey, the Ryder Cup.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2022, 04:03:45 PM
Some of the Euros. They chalk up Sergio's behavior to his Spanish blood, all that bs.

Agree about the bs. Nadal and Olazabal are Spanish; Seve was Spanish. They aren't/weren't whiny little b!tches. Neither, it would seem, is Alcaraz.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 12, 2022, 06:25:38 PM
Yep. Wish they were moving dirt on the Andrae site before he passed.

#83nation

Burial site?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 16, 2022, 07:19:53 AM
According to the WSJ, Apple and Amazon both passed on televising LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 16, 2022, 08:06:46 AM
According to the WSJ, Apple and Amazon both passed on televising LIV.
Is that bad news for LIV?

As one who would like to see LIV go away, those seem like good places for the league to go die.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2022, 08:25:22 AM
Is that bad news for LIV?

As one who would like to see LIV go away, those seem like good places for the league to go die.

Surprised OANN hasn’t jumped in
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 16, 2022, 08:35:28 AM
Surprised OANN hasn’t jumped in
Right? Or CNN considering the deep ties of the Clintons and Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2022, 08:40:11 AM
Right? Or CNN considering the deep ties of the Clintons and Saudi Arabia.

CNN doesn’t need the programming
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on September 16, 2022, 08:49:48 AM
CNN doesn’t need the programming
Al Jazeera is a logical home
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on September 16, 2022, 09:08:07 AM
Is that bad news for LIV?

As one who would like to see LIV go away, those seem like good places for the league to go die.

It would be better than nothing. I don’t think they will get one of the major networks to sign on. I’m not sure its worth potentially burning a bridge with the majors or PGA.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on September 16, 2022, 09:12:19 AM
Al Jazeera is a logical home

Qatar and Saudi are different countries my man.

MBS hasn't committed to a streaming network that would air LIV as well as tons of other original programming that would make it the rival of HULU, Netflix, and others?  What a cheapskate.  Talk about not supporting your investment

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 16, 2022, 09:18:51 AM
Al Jazeera is a logical home

The Qataris don't exactly love the House of Saud
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 16, 2022, 09:22:17 AM
Qatar and Saudi are different countries my man.

MBS hasn't committed to a streaming network that would air LIV as well as tons of other original programming that would make it the rival of HULU, Netflix, and others?  What a cheapskate.  Talk about not supporting your investment

I know you're kidding, but come to think of it ...

If you're gonna make a multi-billion commitment to golf just because you can, why wouldn't you spend a few billion bucks you have lying around on a streaming network that can show your precious golf circuit as well as any other programming you want aired?

The Qataris don't exactly love the House of Saud

As Archie Bunker would say, "If you've seen one A-rab, you've seen 'em all."
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MUfan12 on September 16, 2022, 09:44:13 AM
If Sinclair wasn't losing their ass on Bally Sports I'd think that would be a logical fit...
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on September 16, 2022, 10:31:30 AM
Norman is claiming that there are multiple bidders for a LIV broadcasting deal. Greg's a trustworthy guy, right?

Any Scoopers going out to Jerry Rich's playground for this weekend LIV event? I hear it's going to be a PARTY.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Golden Avalanche on September 16, 2022, 04:45:59 PM
Bonesaw tour is destined for Fox. Tons of concurrent interests in those two entities.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 16, 2022, 05:33:29 PM
RT.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 17, 2022, 09:15:19 AM
CNN doesn’t need the programming
They need something:
https://nypost.com/2022/09/07/cnn-ratings-continue-to-tank-as-boss-chris-licht-revamps-network/ (https://nypost.com/2022/09/07/cnn-ratings-continue-to-tank-as-boss-chris-licht-revamps-network/)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2022, 09:39:58 AM
They need something:
https://nypost.com/2022/09/07/cnn-ratings-continue-to-tank-as-boss-chris-licht-revamps-network/ (https://nypost.com/2022/09/07/cnn-ratings-continue-to-tank-as-boss-chris-licht-revamps-network/)

Well, he does want to attract MAGA audience, so LIV might be for them
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 17, 2022, 10:21:15 AM
Well, he does want to attract MAGA audience, so LIV might be for them
I don't follow.

Both Democrats and Republicans are thick as thieves with the Saudis.

Maybe golf fans are mostly conservative; is that your point?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2022, 10:23:52 AM
I don't follow.

Both Democrats and Republicans are thick as thieves with the Saudis.

Maybe golf fans are mostly conservative; is that your point?

LIV Golf is directly tied to Trump properties and business.  They’re in cahoots.  There’s a reason a certain segment of LIV fans are the loudest MAGA voices
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 17, 2022, 10:31:35 AM
Not long before this thread turned political, aina?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 17, 2022, 10:37:12 AM
LIV Golf is directly tied to Trump properties and business.  They’re in cahoots.  There’s a reason a certain segment of LIV fans are the loudest MAGA voices

I don't think golf fans in general care about LIV because it's exhibition golf.  So while yes, Trump properties are involved, I don't see it as much of a factor in the sustainability of the league.  It basically comes down to how much the Saudis are willing to lose.  I don't forsee a partnership between LIV and the PGA tour. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on September 17, 2022, 11:03:41 AM
I don't think golf fans in general care about LIV because it's exhibition golf.  So while yes, Trump properties are involved, I don't see it as much of a factor in the sustainability of the league.  It basically comes down to how much the Saudis are willing to lose.  I don't forsee a partnership between LIV and the PGA tour.

I don’t think it means much for the sustainability. But I think it’s a reason for some of the early interest for many.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2022, 12:56:00 PM
I don't think golf fans in general care about LIV because it's exhibition golf.  So while yes, Trump properties are involved, I don't see it as much of a factor in the sustainability of the league.  It basically comes down to how much the Saudis are willing to lose.  I don't forsee a partnership between LIV and the PGA tour.

It isn’t, but like Norman, Trump Properties have a grudge at the moment against a lot of golfing bodies.  They can provide venues
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 17, 2022, 05:56:21 PM
Not long before this thread turned political, aina?


  whadaya mean, geeko has already taken it po litical-seems if my memory serves me correctly, rockwell doesn't have much patience for that kinda thing unless ya wearing the same blouse, eyn'a?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 17, 2022, 06:21:57 PM
LIV Golf is directly tied to Trump properties and business.  They’re in cahoots.  There’s a reason a certain segment of LIV fans are the loudest MAGA voices
And some pro-labor liberals are happy the LIV is helping players get a more fair share of the money from the PGA.

I think you keep looking for a political slant where there is none.

PGA good, LIV bad. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2022, 06:50:13 PM

  whadaya mean, geeko has already taken it po litical-seems if my memory serves me correctly, rockwell doesn't have much patience for that kinda thing unless ya wearing the same blouse, eyn'a?

8 of 10

I feel terrible for you.  The moor squad has it rough on Scoop
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2022, 06:56:03 PM
And some pro-labor liberals are happy the LIV is helping players get a more fair share of the money from the PGA.

I think you keep looking for a political slant where there is none.

PGA good, LIV bad. Nothing more.

We’ll agree to disagree. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on September 18, 2022, 08:29:35 AM
And some pro-labor liberals are happy the LIV is helping players get a more fair share of the money from the PGA.

I think you keep looking for a political slant where there is none.

PGA good, LIV bad. Nothing more.

Totally normal behavior at a golf tournament.

https://twitter.com/shotgun_bonnie/status/1554077857550319616?s=46&t=1U8DtyobgLoPh9oeBFHlAqjFZREyum6aUY3r6RpJy7A
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 18, 2022, 08:40:13 AM
Totally normal behavior at a golf tournament.

https://twitter.com/shotgun_bonnie/status/1554077857550319616?s=46&t=1U8DtyobgLoPh9oeBFHlAqjFZREyum6aUY3r6RpJy7A

Clearly, pro-labor liberals.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2022, 10:00:07 AM
Totally normal behavior at a golf tournament.

https://twitter.com/shotgun_bonnie/status/1554077857550319616?s=46&t=1U8DtyobgLoPh9oeBFHlAqjFZREyum6aUY3r6RpJy7A

There’s the rub.  With his properties heavily invested in LIV, they’ll be quasi-rallies and fundraisers.  When the Clinton Foundation was the sponsor at the Hope, it was also affiliating the tour with Clinton.  Sports are used by politicians all the time
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on September 18, 2022, 05:56:51 PM
Made even better by the fact that I really like Max Homa, and still hate Danny Willett, but what an INSANE finish to the Fortinet Championship.

Homa birdies 8/9/10 in a row to tie Willett at -15.  Both start cruising in rainy conditions.  Willett birdies 14 from the fringe after Homa just misses a chip.  Then Willett is steady down the stretch.  Scrambling from bad tee shots by making his pars.  Homa is a bit erratic, can't get anything done.  Willett makes a huge par from 10 feet on 17 after a bad lag.

Then onto the par-5 18th.  Homa bombs a drive, Willett in the rough, but Willett lays up while Homa finds a green side bunker.   Willett hits his 3rd to 4 feet before Homa chunks a bunker shot next to the green.  Willett needs to 2 putt from 4 feet assuming Homa can even get up and down.

Then Homa sinks an insane chip for a birdie.  Willett now needing to make his birdie to win...proceeds to lip it AND miss the 4 footer coming back to make Bogey and Homa pulls a title out of NOWHERE.  Nuts
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on September 18, 2022, 09:12:05 PM
There’s the rub.  With his properties heavily invested in LIV, they’ll be quasi-rallies and fundraisers.  When the Clinton Foundation was the sponsor at the Hope, it was also affiliating the tour with Clinton.  Sports are used by politicians all the time

Can we just do a three-way vote of Clinton, Bush or Trump as the official royal family already?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 24, 2022, 08:44:52 AM
LIV golf has destroyed the President's cup.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 24, 2022, 08:57:21 AM
LIV golf has destroyed the President's cup.

Yep.  And probably the Ryder Cup.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 24, 2022, 09:03:39 AM
The European players who have gone to LIV are generally not in their prime.   Every two years we might hate IJP, Westwood, and Sergio, but they aren't the future of the team.

Ancer,  Grace, Looie, Leishman, Cameron Smith, Niemann are the core of the International team.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 24, 2022, 05:09:01 PM
Tom Kim with an unreal birdie on 18.  This 20 year old kid is super likable.  The Americans could have slammed the door but failed in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 24, 2022, 05:11:12 PM
Good.   At least it will be close enough to have a reason to watch tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 24, 2022, 05:17:02 PM
Good.   At least it will be close enough to have a reason to watch tomorrow.

That dude has swagger Tower.  How about that shot from 239 yrds on 18 with his partner basically dead in the pine-straw?  That was elite stuff.  It's about to be 11-7 somehow. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on September 24, 2022, 05:18:58 PM
LIV golf has destroyed the President's cup.
PGA Tour had the opportunity to negotiate with LIV Golf , they declined, and took an adversarial approach instead.  Business decisions have consequences.   

 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2022, 05:27:23 PM
PGA Tour had the opportunity to negotiate with LIV Golf , they declined, and took an adversarial approach instead.  Business decisions have consequences.

Lol.  Why should they negotiate with an entity that wants to bury them
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2022, 06:03:53 PM
Give Immelmann and the International team a ton of credit for at least winning Saturday.  Mito is going to LIV but the other 11 could have hung their heads and blamed the Saudi golfers for the challenge.  Instead, they’ve at least given themselves a chance on Sunday.  Not an Adam Scott fan but big props to him for battling and being a leader on that team
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 24, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Lol.  Why should they negotiate with an entity that wants to bury them
I agree with the PGA's decision not to negotiate.

I'm not sure it will prove to be the best course of action.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2022, 07:42:10 PM
I agree with the PGA's decision not to negotiate.

I'm not sure it will prove to be the best course of action.

At first, I’d have agreed with you.  LIV is losing in the courts and Capitol Hill and public opinion.  They have the $ to keep fighting but I’m not sure they have the plan now to win
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on September 24, 2022, 07:51:02 PM
Rico

I have become a big fan of Adam Scott over the past couple of months. Eve. His presser keeping the door open to Liv down the road I found to be a fair and honest answer. I’m almost pulling for the Intl team and hope there is some excitement tomorrow.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2022, 08:02:48 PM
Rico

I have become a big fan of Adam Scott over the past couple of months. Eve. His presser keeping the door open to Liv down the road I found to be a fair and honest answer. I’m almost pulling for the Intl team and hope there is some excitement tomorrow.

I hope the tour listens to him and really push their guys to play the Aussie Open.  Scott still being a tour member is a great surprise. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on September 24, 2022, 08:12:12 PM
Rico

He can be a great spokesperson for the PGA and agree on the Aussie Open. When I saw him at St. Andrews two months ago I expected his quick departure and am now a fan. He is a phenomenal golfer and I wish him well.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on September 24, 2022, 09:23:10 PM
I hope the tour listens to him and really push their guys to play the Aussie Open.  Scott still being a tour member is a great surprise. 

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/oiUaa2C7hWxnrsHTDS/200.gif)

International's scripting today was in honor of Adam Scott's last Presidents' Cup. Unless they come out in complete brown head to toe tomorrow, then that's the official Adam Scott to LIV white smoke from the Sistine.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 25, 2022, 04:25:00 PM
Great fight by the International Team but just not enough horses and got overwhelmed by American depth.  Incredible golf from Sebastian Munoz today
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on September 25, 2022, 07:00:29 PM
Speith made a bunch of bombs today.  Maybe he starts contending in Majors again?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 25, 2022, 08:53:04 PM
Speith made a bunch of bombs today.  Maybe he starts contending in Majors again?

jordie is a great ambassador for golf.  if LIV gets him, look out!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 26, 2022, 05:22:23 AM
https://www.wisconsin.golf/men/wsga/archie-dadian-a-public-links-legend-and-one-of-the-grittiest-winners-in-wisconsin-golf/article_c697ba9a-3cda-11ed-95eb-8b119a267609.html
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on September 26, 2022, 09:56:41 AM
jordie is a great ambassador for golf.  if LIV gets him, look out!

Jordan is in the safe camp. No worries about him at the moment.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2022, 08:49:10 PM
Here's a fun story, according to Golfweek:

LIV Golf is nearing a deal to purchase air time for its tournaments on U.S. cable television, multiple sources have told Golfweek. The potential agreement — which is still being finalized — is with Fox Sports 1.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/09/27/liv-golf-fox-sports-buy-time-to-air-tournaments/

While media companies typically pay sports leagues a substantial rights fee to air their products, the deal would not see LIV receive payment, said a source familiar with the discussions. Instead, LIV — which is controversially financed by the Saudi Arabian regime’s Public Investment Fund — would buy time on the cable channel to air its events, a move that will be widely interpreted as a failure to attract serious commercial interest in what it is offering.

Just two weeks ago, the CEO of LIV, Greg Norman, said he was fielding intense interest from media companies eager to broadcast LIV tournaments.

“We’re talking to four different networks, and live conversations where offers are being put on the table,” he told ESPN. “They can see what we’re delivering.”

A well-placed industry executive says LIV struck out with approaches to multiple broadcasters, including NBC, CBS, Disney, Apple and Amazon, and that Fox Sports got involved only at the behest of Lachlan Murdoch, the executive chairman and CEO of Fox Corp. Last month, Sports Business Journal reported that Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of Donald Trump, had been calling broadcasters trying to generate interest in a LIV television package. In 2021, Kushner’s private equity firm, Affinity Partners, secured $2 billion in funding from the Saudi Public Investment Fund.

“There were people at Fox who wanted nothing to do with this,” the source said. “They were forced to do it.”

LIV requested a rights fee for year two of any deal and a guaranteed time slot on network television but both proposals were rejected by Fox, according to a source familiar with the specifics of the conversations. It is believed Fox has offered to re-evaluate network placement at a later date. LIV will also be responsible for the production of its tournament broadcasts and for selling commercial sponsorships during its time slots, two tasks that would usually fall to a broadcast partner.

“Any advertiser who touches this will get blasted,” a longtime sports TV executive said. “It’s a weak product but it’s a tainted product on top of that.”


It's weak ... but hey, at least it's tainted! And of course, Kushner is involved; after bringing about world peace, he was available.

For what it's worth, LIV is sort of denying Golfweek's report: https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/articles/2022-09-28/report-liv-golf-nearing-deal-to-buy-tv-time-on-fs1
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2022, 08:51:20 PM
Here's a fun story, according to Golfweek:

LIV Golf is nearing a deal to purchase air time for its tournaments on U.S. cable television, multiple sources have told Golfweek. The potential agreement — which is still being finalized — is with Fox Sports 1.

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/09/27/liv-golf-fox-sports-buy-time-to-air-tournaments/

While media companies typically pay sports leagues a substantial rights fee to air their products, the deal would not see LIV receive payment, said a source familiar with the discussions. Instead, LIV — which is controversially financed by the Saudi Arabian regime’s Public Investment Fund — would buy time on the cable channel to air its events, a move that will be widely interpreted as a failure to attract serious commercial interest in what it is offering.

Just two weeks ago, the CEO of LIV, Greg Norman, said he was fielding intense interest from media companies eager to broadcast LIV tournaments.

“We’re talking to four different networks, and live conversations where offers are being put on the table,” he told ESPN. “They can see what we’re delivering.”

A well-placed industry executive says LIV struck out with approaches to multiple broadcasters, including NBC, CBS, Disney, Apple and Amazon, and that Fox Sports got involved only at the behest of Lachlan Murdoch, the executive chairman and CEO of Fox Corp. Last month, Sports Business Journal reported that Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of Donald Trump, had been calling broadcasters trying to generate interest in a LIV television package. In 2021, Kushner’s private equity firm, Affinity Partners, secured $2 billion in funding from the Saudi Public Investment Fund.

“There were people at Fox who wanted nothing to do with this,” the source said. “They were forced to do it.”

LIV requested a rights fee for year two of any deal and a guaranteed time slot on network television but both proposals were rejected by Fox, according to a source familiar with the specifics of the conversations. It is believed Fox has offered to re-evaluate network placement at a later date. LIV will also be responsible for the production of its tournament broadcasts and for selling commercial sponsorships during its time slots, two tasks that would usually fall to a broadcast partner.

“Any advertiser who touches this will get blasted,” a longtime sports TV executive said. “It’s a weak product but it’s a tainted product on top of that.”


It's weak ... but hey, at least it's tainted! And of course, Kushner is involved; after bringing about world peace, he was available.

For what it's worth, LIV is sort of denying Golfweek's report: https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/articles/2022-09-28/report-liv-golf-nearing-deal-to-buy-tv-time-on-fs1

Weird.  Greg Norman said networks were fighting over LIV rights.  Peas in a pod or something
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 29, 2022, 01:56:40 PM
As previously stated, I hope the LIV dies.

That said, I believe the NHL 'gave away' broadcast rights to NBC for free a few years ago. I think after a strike. And it's not unheard of paying for broadcast time and making money (a profit) off it by selling ads.

This may not be the death nail we hope for, but it doesn't look good for LIV.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on September 29, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
As previously stated, I hope the LIV dies.

That said, I believe the NHL 'gave away' broadcast rights to NBC for free a few years ago. I think after a strike. And it's not unheard of paying for broadcast time and making money (a profit) off it by selling ads.

This may not be the death nail we hope for, but it doesn't look good for LIV.

I mean, in a similar fashion, the NBA has funded the WNBA for decades as it lost money and struggled.  Now the league is getting traction, better broadcast deals, maybe loss leading is paying off. 

Could be the same for LIV.  Or it could be like NFL Europe.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on September 29, 2022, 03:29:24 PM
I mean, in a similar fashion, the NBA has funded the WNBA for decades as it lost money and struggled.  Now the league is getting traction, better broadcast deals, maybe loss leading is paying off. 

Could be the same for LIV.  Or it could be like NFL Europe.

The question that no one really knows is how long the Saudis will continue to dump money into LIV.

I'm guessing that Norman came up with some plan that brought in media dollars to offset some of the costs of LIV. I think the Saudis will stick with it and continue to support LIV even without a media deal. It's Norman that I don't see lasting.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 03:34:03 PM
I hit 13 out of 14 fairways today and shot 71.   


Sorry for the interruption.  Back to the descent into ob-LIV-ion.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on September 29, 2022, 03:58:43 PM
I hit 13 out of 14 fairways today and shot 71.   


Sorry for the interruption.  Back to the descent into ob-LIV-ion.

When will you be joining LIV and for how much?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
It was a good day for a schlub.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 29, 2022, 04:36:55 PM
I hit 13 out of 14 fairways today and shot 71.   


Sorry for the interruption.  Back to the descent into ob-LIV-ion.




Fahrenheit, ewe braggin' orr komplanin', hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 06:27:49 PM
Any day I break par is a good day.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on September 29, 2022, 08:05:58 PM
Any day I break par is a good day.   
Any day I break par, I'm in a scrabble.  :D
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 08:11:28 PM
Any day I break par, I'm in a scrabble.  :D

You just need better tiles.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: swoopem on September 29, 2022, 08:18:07 PM
I hit 13 out of 14 fairways today and shot 71.   


Sorry for the interruption.  Back to the descent into ob-LIV-ion.

I was in your neck of the woods last weekend. Played Pilgrim’s Run Friday and then both courses at Egypt Valley on Saturday. Loved all 3 spots. Pilgrims is a hidden gem and Egypt has fun tracks as well. Doesn’t hurt that I played really well (for me).

Great weekend
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 08:30:51 PM
Once upon a time, a Champion's tour event was played at Egypt Valley.   Very nice course.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2022, 09:38:37 AM
The PGA Tour should really embrace the strategic alliance with the Euro Tour and their Fall swing.  Wentworth, French Open, Italian Open and then the Dunhill Links.  Great events that need more promotion in the states
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on October 01, 2022, 09:41:58 AM
Rico

I was just thinking about a crazy idea, what about moving The Open Championship until the fall when the weather puts teeth on the course? The majors are too close together, imo and it would make for interesting golf later into the season.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2022, 09:51:50 AM
Rico

I was just thinking about a crazy idea, what about moving The Open Championship until the fall when the weather puts teeth on the course? The majors are too close together, imo and it would make for interesting golf later into the season.

I’d like it but I think getting a full field through 72 holes without massive weather and sunset delays would be an issue.  Weather can be dicey in July as well.  Sort of like the crispy conditions one year and then wind and rain the next.

I like the summer run on the islands, but agree the majors are too close together.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 01, 2022, 10:16:11 AM
I was just thinking about a crazy idea, what about moving The Open Championship until the fall when the weather puts teeth on the course? The majors are too close together, imo and it would make for interesting golf later into the season.

That has merit, Goose, but they had the PGA Championship in mid-August for decades before moving it to May a few years ago for the express purpose of putting the majors close together. So I don't think there's any going back to a more spread-out majors schedule.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on October 01, 2022, 10:32:20 AM
82

I get it. Only mentioning it because the Old Course is far different in October than it is in July.

Rico
I agree, but I believe The Open used to be played with a Wednesday-Saturday format and that could be used to allow for weather or darkness. Still a weekend finish.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2022, 10:57:52 AM
82

I get it. Only mentioning it because the Old Course is far different in October than it is in July.

Rico
I agree, but I believe The Open used to be played with a Wednesday-Saturday format and that could be used to allow for weather or darkness. Still a weekend finish.

I should have probably mentioned TV probably wouldn’t be too keen with a move and TV dictates a lot of this, sadly
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 01, 2022, 01:46:22 PM
They moved the majors out of the fall because of the playoffs and the Ryder/Presidents Cups.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on October 01, 2022, 04:43:21 PM
They moved the majors out of the fall because of the NFL.

FIFY
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Goose on October 01, 2022, 04:52:58 PM
Rico & others,

Yes, I know how things work and why the changes. Simply was saying seeing a difficult St. Andrews in fall would be fun. I am not expecting my idea to happen, just starting a discussion.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 01, 2022, 05:34:33 PM
It is fun any time you get to watch the pros get beat up by conditions.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 01, 2022, 06:02:14 PM
Rico & others,

Yes, I know how things work and why the changes. Simply was saying seeing a difficult St. Andrews in fall would be fun. I am not expecting my idea to happen, just starting a discussion.

Don’t disagree!  Would be fun
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 06, 2022, 07:33:04 AM
Saudis working with Russia to reduce oil supply and raise prices, one of the many ways MBS is working with Putin.

Norman and LIV have chosen a hell of a partner here.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2022, 07:42:25 AM
Saudis working with Russia to reduce oil supply and raise prices, one of the many ways MBS is working with Putin.

Norman and LIV have chosen a hell of a partner here.

Golf.  But LOUDER
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on October 16, 2022, 10:14:02 AM
Brooks Koepka won the LIV tournament today in a three round playoff . He was a little emotional in the interview afterward .  Brooks said he almost thought his career was over  because of the injuries . He looked good in windy conditions .

Maybe Brooks will be a factor in the majors next year .
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 16, 2022, 10:45:39 AM
Brooks Koepka won the LIV tournament today in a three round playoff . He was a little emotional in the interview afterward .  Brooks said he almost thought his career was over  because of the injuries . He looked good in windy conditions .

Maybe Brooks will be a factor in the majors next year .

He’s done
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: nyg on October 16, 2022, 11:31:02 AM
Brooks Koepka won the LIV tournament today in a three round playoff . He was a little emotional in the interview afterward .  Brooks said he almost thought his career was over  because of the injuries . He looked good in windy conditions .

Maybe Brooks will be a factor in the majors next year .

Poor, poor Brooks.......with his LIV signing his net worth is 150 Million.  No one cares. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 16, 2022, 11:36:59 AM
Brooks Koepka won the LIV tournament today in a three round playoff .

A three round playoff is as long as the tournament he played.  I hope he recovers.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 16, 2022, 06:48:46 PM
Saudis working with Russia to reduce oil supply and raise prices, one of the many ways MBS is working with Putin.

Norman and LIV have chosen a hell of a partner here.

  You’re forgetting one minor detail regarding oil supply but nice world you guys are living in


Dusty and Paulina don’t give a sheet where the $30 million is coming from as long as it’s green
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on October 16, 2022, 08:29:49 PM
  You’re forgetting one minor detail regarding oil supply but nice world you guys are living in


Dusty and Paulina don’t give a sheet where the $30 million is coming from as long as it’s green

They’ll take it in white too.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 16, 2022, 08:46:52 PM
  You’re forgetting one minor detail regarding oil supply but nice world you guys are living in


Dusty and Paulina don’t give a sheet where the $30 million is coming from as long as it’s green

Honestly, what the unnatural carnal knowledge are you even trying to say here?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 17, 2022, 06:14:45 AM
Honestly, what the unnatural carnal knowledge are you even trying to say here?

If it's in code, he can't be accused of politics.

I assume that is what he's doing, though I don't really know.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 17, 2022, 06:39:18 AM
I think he is implying drug use.  Specifically cocaine.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: cheebs09 on October 17, 2022, 09:03:26 AM
Thought it was interesting that Koepka was bummed about the long break between LIV events now that he’s started to play well. Many said far less events was a big selling point for LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on October 17, 2022, 09:13:32 AM
Thought it was interesting that Koepka was bummed about the long break between LIV events now that he’s started to play well. Many said far less events was a big selling point for LIV.

Professional golfers want an offseason, but they also can never say no to money. Quite the predicament.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 17, 2022, 09:22:15 AM
Thought it was interesting that Koepka was bummed about the long break between LIV events now that he’s started to play well. Many said far less events was a big selling point for LIV.

Brooks might be an idiot
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 17, 2022, 11:18:29 AM
Saudis working with Russia to reduce oil supply and raise prices, one of the many ways MBS is working with Putin.

Norman and LIV have chosen a hell of a partner here.
Russia is part of OPEC+. This is business as usual. Absolutely nothing new here.

If you have a problem with OPEC then that is a whole other ball of wax. You better not be a Democrat or a Republican if you don't like your leaders dealing materially with unsavory people and countries. (or a fan of the PGA and NBA for that mater)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 17, 2022, 11:55:23 AM
Russia is part of OPEC+. This is business as usual. Absolutely nothing new here.

If you have a problem with OPEC then that is a whole other ball of wax. You better not be a Democrat or a Republican if you don't like your leaders dealing materially with unsavory people and countries. (or a fan of the PGA and NBA for that mater)
Yes, because if one is “part of” something, one should never criticize it or hope for better.

I think it’s ok to say I wish the Saudis weren’t helping Putin … but I guess you believe I don’t have the right to think that?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 17, 2022, 05:25:32 PM
Yes, because if one is “part of” something, one should never criticize it or hope for better.

I think it’s ok to say I wish the Saudis weren’t helping Putin … but I guess you believe I don’t have the right to think that?
Not what I'm saying at all. You 100% have the right to say what you believe.

It's just your original post sounded like you were making LIV out to be supportive of the Saudi, Russian and OPEC production policies. And while it is true Norman and the other players could withdraw from the LIV on moral principle so could the NBA, PGA, and the US government could withdraw from relationships with equally unsavory governments. Picking on LIV seems disingenuous or hypocritical.

"August 2022 Biden's State Department approved $3 billion sale of Patriot missiles to Saudi Arabia "

As for my stance on LIV, I hope it falls flat on its face.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 17, 2022, 05:39:34 PM
LIV is purposely supportive of the Saudi regime, yes.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 17, 2022, 06:27:56 PM
LIV is purposely supportive of the Saudi regime, yes.
Well then so is Biden. He's happy to take Saudi money just like LIV players.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2022, 09:58:54 AM
Well then so is Biden. He's happy to take Saudi money just like LIV players.

I have disapproved of Biden's dealings with MBS.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 25, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
Thanks, Lenny, for the inspiration.   I played an entire round without a single practice swing today.    It hurt my chipping and lag putting the most.   But I did it.  So, thanks.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on October 25, 2022, 09:08:18 PM
I rarely take practice swings because I spend my allotted time with "happy feet" trying to get comfortable ala Patrick Cantlay.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2022, 09:24:39 PM
Thanks, Lenny, for the inspiration.   I played an entire round without a single practice swing today.    It hurt my chipping and lag putting the most.   But I did it.  So, thanks.

Nice going Tower!

I’ve never played a regular 18 hole round without any practice swings but 5 years ago I played 100 holes in one day to raise money for a charity. Started around 7am, finished at 5:30. No practice swings that day!
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2022, 09:31:39 PM
My practice swings are where I hit all my perfect shots.

(In my mind.)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 27, 2022, 06:54:27 AM
Blood Money Tour spends almost $800 million on its first season's 7 events

From Sports Illustrated:

The formation and inaugural season of LIV Golf has been the biggest story in the sport this year, with money the underlying theme.

SI Golf's Bob Harig has followed LIV Golf from the beginning, including covering six of its first seven events in person, and he's in Miami this week for the Saudi-backed league's inaugural Team Championship. In a Sports Illustrated Daily Cover story published Wednesday, he details a wild summer of excess that has polarized professional golf and changed the lives of more than just the players.

Harig learned that LIV Golf's first season cost a total of $784 million, and $1 billion is the expected spend next year when LIV Golf rolls out a 14-event schedule with sites around the world.

“I couldn’t be happier,” said 46-year-old Pat Perez, who left the PGA Tour to sign a four-year deal with LIV Golf believed to be worth $10 million. “Look, I know I can’t beat those kids anymore. This was a great opportunity for me. I have nothing against the PGA Tour; they did a lot for me, but I had to earn everything I got out there.”


I'm sure Pat Perez couldn't be happier. He got $10 million just for showing up to lose; had he remained a PGA Tour has-been, he might not have made 1/20th of that.

Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on October 27, 2022, 07:08:59 AM
What a roaring endorsement of LIV from Pat. I can't compete on the Tour, so hello LIV. Makes me want to tune in. That's golf, but Louder.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 27, 2022, 07:15:39 AM
For Pat, it makes perfect sense.   The end of his current contract coincides with him gaining eligibility for the senior tour.   I assume the issues will be worked out by then.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on October 27, 2022, 07:22:08 AM
For Pat, it makes perfect sense.   The end of his current contract coincides with him gaining eligibility for the senior tour.   I assume the issues will be worked out by then.

No doubt. But, it would be better for LIV if Pat stops talking since LIV wants people to believe it's offering the same level of competition as the Tour.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2022, 07:37:20 AM
Blood Money Tour spends almost $800 million on its first season's 7 events

From Sports Illustrated:

The formation and inaugural season of LIV Golf has been the biggest story in the sport this year, with money the underlying theme.

SI Golf's Bob Harig has followed LIV Golf from the beginning, including covering six of its first seven events in person, and he's in Miami this week for the Saudi-backed league's inaugural Team Championship. In a Sports Illustrated Daily Cover story published Wednesday, he details a wild summer of excess that has polarized professional golf and changed the lives of more than just the players.

Harig learned that LIV Golf's first season cost a total of $784 million, and $1 billion is the expected spend next year when LIV Golf rolls out a 14-event schedule with sites around the world.

“I couldn’t be happier,” said 46-year-old Pat Perez, who left the PGA Tour to sign a four-year deal with LIV Golf believed to be worth $10 million. “Look, I know I can’t beat those kids anymore. This was a great opportunity for me. I have nothing against the PGA Tour; they did a lot for me, but I had to earn everything I got out there.”


I'm sure Pat Perez couldn't be happier. He got $10 million just for showing up to lose; had he remained a PGA Tour has-been, he might not have made 1/20th of that.

Harig and SI have been a good mouthpiece for LIV
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on October 31, 2022, 05:41:42 PM
Apparently Cantlay and Schauffele could bolt for LIV.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
Anybody can bolt to LIV.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on October 31, 2022, 05:58:02 PM
Anybody can bolt to LIV.

I can't Tower.  Most of us cannot casually shoot 65's like you do three times a week. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2022, 05:58:47 PM
I only shoot 65's if I quit after 15.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 31, 2022, 06:40:44 PM
Dj hauls in $35 million in inaugural LIV season and $75 mil since 2007.  You do the math
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on October 31, 2022, 07:05:48 PM
Blood Money Tour spends almost $800 million on its first season's 7 events

From Sports Illustrated:

The formation and inaugural season of LIV Golf has been the biggest story in the sport this year, with money the underlying theme.

SI Golf's Bob Harig has followed LIV Golf from the beginning, including covering six of its first seven events in person, and he's in Miami this week for the Saudi-backed league's inaugural Team Championship. In a Sports Illustrated Daily Cover story published Wednesday, he details a wild summer of excess that has polarized professional golf and changed the lives of more than just the players.

Harig learned that LIV Golf's first season cost a total of $784 million, and $1 billion is the expected spend next year when LIV Golf rolls out a 14-event schedule with sites around the world.

“I couldn’t be happier,” said 46-year-old Pat Perez, who left the PGA Tour to sign a four-year deal with LIV Golf believed to be worth $10 million. “Look, I know I can’t beat those kids anymore. This was a great opportunity for me. I have nothing against the PGA Tour; they did a lot for me, but I had to earn everything I got out there.”


I'm sure Pat Perez couldn't be happier. He got $10 million just for showing up to lose; had he remained a PGA Tour has-been, he might not have made 1/20th of that.
In addition , Perez earned  an additional 8 million from his share of his teams and personal winnings over the course of the season . Good work if you can get it .

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/10/31/pat-perez-last-laugh-liv-golf-miami/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on October 31, 2022, 07:57:43 PM
I only shoot 65's if I quit after 15.

Me too. But I'd have to quit after 12.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MuggsyB on October 31, 2022, 09:56:28 PM
I only shoot 65's if I quit after 15.

Don't sell yourself short Tower.  We all know you can swing it and drain putts all over the place. 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2022, 04:48:25 AM
Muggsy, I am what I am.  A 77 shooter.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2022, 08:55:55 AM
Excellent story on Morgan Hoffman . Budding PGA Tour star who was confronted with Muscular Dystrophy Diagnosis and is now living in Costa Rico. Trying to recover health and potentially try to get back on tour.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/morgan-hoffmann-costa-rica-muscular-dystrophy
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2022, 12:19:05 PM
Wow, 9-9-9, what an article! The most interesting thing I’ve read all week. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 06, 2022, 08:01:04 AM
Excellent story on Morgan Hoffman . Budding PGA Tour star who was confronted with Muscular Dystrophy Diagnosis and is now living in Costa Rico. Trying to recover health and potentially try to get back on tour.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/morgan-hoffmann-costa-rica-muscular-dystrophy

  a very "interesting", if not an unconventional approach to maintain a balance in his life despite the conventional odds.  great story nonetheless questioning the "matter over mind" theories and quite possibly turning them around.  good for morgan absolutely! if he is not successful in returning to some more organized form of golf, at least he seems to have found the balance many others fail to find
 
  my own little side note-looks like he has a pretty good golf partner/caddy who would be enough motivation for me(yowsa!), but wonder if the pga (or LIV) would allow him to wear his own "foot joys"  :D 

 
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on November 06, 2022, 08:19:25 AM
This was published months ago.    Does not make it a less interesting story.   
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2022, 02:37:04 PM
LIV may kick Norman upstairs and make ex Taylor made exec New CEO

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/11/10/liv-golf-news-ceo-greg-norman-replaced-mark-king/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 10, 2022, 02:51:52 PM
LIV may kick Norman upstairs and make ex Taylor made exec New CEO

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2022/11/10/liv-golf-news-ceo-greg-norman-replaced-mark-king/

Mark King is a moron
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2022, 03:32:20 PM
Y, iz he on Scoop, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2022, 03:50:28 PM
Dentist.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2022, 12:46:09 PM
Rory says LIV booting Norman will lead to a settlement

https://nypost.com/2022/11/15/rory-mcilroy-greg-norman-needs-to-go-to-end-liv-golf-pga-tour-war/
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on November 17, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
Oh, Phil.  What other ridiculously stupid thing did you do to Pat Perez?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on November 17, 2022, 01:45:51 PM
Oh, Phil.  What other ridiculously stupid thing did you do to Pat Perez?

The rumor is he sent Pat's wife a dick pic.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2022, 01:59:06 PM
The rumor is he sent Pat's wife a dick pic.

Pat’s wife is 75% plastic
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: RJax55 on November 17, 2022, 02:04:17 PM
Pat’s wife is 75% plastic

75% might be too low.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 21, 2022, 07:47:05 AM
Pat’s wife is 75% plastic




Phil's junk mite bee two, hey?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2022, 07:51:52 AM



Phil's junk mite bee two, hey?

Well, could be why he likes to watch the wife teach some strokes to the younger guys on tour
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2022, 12:24:28 PM
Looking out at the melting snow and thinking about the day off between games in Ft. Myers.   Pretty sure the bermuda rough would kick my butt like every other time I have played on Florida.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: JWags85 on December 20, 2022, 10:27:59 AM
LIV golfers will be allowed to play in the Masters
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 20, 2022, 11:45:10 AM
LIV golfers will be allowed to play in the Masters
Well now we know the Masters supports terrorism, sexism, homophobia and general drisegard for human rights.

And so does anyone who watches the Masters or buys the sponsors' products.

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on December 20, 2022, 12:33:07 PM
LIV golfers will be allowed to play in the Masters

Will be invited to play in the Masters.
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: tower912 on December 20, 2022, 12:54:47 PM
That is going to force the issue with OWGR points.    Past champions, sure.   Players who have fallen below the threshold due to lack of points?
Title: Re: Golf 2022
Post by: 🏀 on December 20, 2022, 01:26:15 PM
That is going to force the issue with OWGR points.    Past champions, sure.   Players who have fallen below the threshold due to lack of points?

That’s what ANGC wants to happen, while heavily influencing OWGR from behind the scenes.