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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #600 on: July 30, 2022, 01:05:19 PM »
Relax, both teams will make da Tourney, hey?
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #601 on: July 30, 2022, 04:35:34 PM »
If both teams aren’t good, why would it be a quality win?
I think one of MU and UW will make it as a bubble team. The winner has the early advantage.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #602 on: July 30, 2022, 05:24:04 PM »
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1553113029969068035

Ben Gold had a 2 hit, 2 home run, 2 run, 4 rbi day at the annual softball game. Hopefully he can keep the production up all season!
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #603 on: July 30, 2022, 05:35:06 PM »
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1553113029969068035

Ben Gold had a 2 hit, 2 home run, 2 run, 4 rbi day at the annual softball game. Hopefully he can keep the production up all season!
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #604 on: August 03, 2022, 12:34:57 AM »
We are…68th in T Rank. Gold and Keeyan no matta apparently.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #605 on: August 03, 2022, 06:10:23 AM »
Hope I am wrong …

But, I think TRank is about right.  It’s going to be a long year.  With Lewis gone, there’s not enough talent on this team.  They will not do as well as last year

I’d foresee about a .500 season …will be lucky to see the NIT

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« Reply #606 on: August 03, 2022, 06:35:04 AM »
Hope I am wrong …

But, I think TRank is about right.  It’s going to be a long year.  With Lewis gone, there’s not enough talent on this team.  They will not do as well as last year

I’d foresee about a .500 season …will be lucky to see the NIT
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #607 on: August 03, 2022, 06:39:52 AM »
Hope I am wrong …

But, I think TRank is about right.  It’s going to be a long year.  With Lewis gone, there’s not enough talent on this team.  They will not do as well as last year

I’d foresee about a .500 season …will be lucky to see the NIT

Getting rid of Lewis and his laziness is worth 2-3 wins in my estimation.  The last thing Marquette needs is NBA level players to undermine the culture
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #608 on: August 03, 2022, 07:34:05 AM »
Hope I am wrong …

But, I think TRank is about right.  It’s going to be a long year.  With Lewis gone, there’s not enough talent on this team.  They will not do as well as last year

I’d foresee about a .500 season …will be lucky to see the NIT
You could be right.   This could be similar to Coach Smart's second season in Texas.  I don't think any of the newcomers are huge game changers.   So, it comes down to development of the returnees.   It will still be a young team.
1.  Who is going to take the shot in the last 5 seconds down one or tied?   
2.  Who is going to put the team on their back when the offense stagnates?
3.  When the opponent has the ball with 20 seconds left, who makes the big stop and, more importantly, who secures the rebound?

When those answers emerge, we will have a much better idea about how this team does.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #609 on: August 03, 2022, 08:21:20 AM »
You could be right.   This could be similar to Coach Smart's second season in Texas.  I don't think any of the newcomers are huge game changers.   So, it comes down to development of the returnees.   It will still be a young team.
1.  Who is going to take the shot in the last 5 seconds down one or tied?   
2.  Who is going to put the team on their back when the offense stagnates?
3.  When the opponent has the ball with 20 seconds left, who makes the big stop and, more importantly, who secures the rebound?

When those answers emerge, we will have a much better idea about how this team does.

This team is a beautiful mystery heading into the season and I’m very excited for it
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #610 on: August 03, 2022, 08:39:35 AM »
You could be right.   This could be similar to Coach Smart's second season in Texas.  I don't think any of the newcomers are huge game changers.   So, it comes down to development of the returnees.   It will still be a young team.
1.  Who is going to take the shot in the last 5 seconds down one or tied?   
2.  Who is going to put the team on their back when the offense stagnates?
3.  When the opponent has the ball with 20 seconds left, who makes the big stop and, more importantly, who secures the rebound?

When those answers emerge, we will have a much better idea about how this team does.

We have been singing this song for the last ten years and next year's in coming class is not turning heads either. With NIL my gut is telling me it will only get worse. However, I will still cheer on the team. Go Warriors! Go Golden Eagles!

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #611 on: August 03, 2022, 08:44:52 AM »
Getting rid of Lewis and his laziness is worth 2-3 wins in my estimation.  The last thing Marquette needs is NBA level players to undermine the culture

So are you saying we can compete for and perhaps win a NC without NBA level players?

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #612 on: August 03, 2022, 08:46:46 AM »
So are you saying we can compete for and perhaps win a NC without NBA level players?

As long as they fit the culture
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #613 on: August 03, 2022, 08:52:59 AM »
You could be right.   This could be similar to Coach Smart's second season in Texas.  I don't think any of the newcomers are huge game changers.   So, it comes down to development of the returnees.   It will still be a young team.
1.  Who is going to take the shot in the last 5 seconds down one or tied?   
2.  Who is going to put the team on their back when the offense stagnates?
3.  When the opponent has the ball with 20 seconds left, who makes the big stop and, more importantly, who secures the rebound?

When those answers emerge, we will have a much better idea about how this team does.

Well, to me, the answer to 1 & 2 is obviously Kam. The question is whether he's good enough yet to do it reliably.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #614 on: August 03, 2022, 08:56:03 AM »
I'm here for the Tyler Kolek "F You" tour this year.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #615 on: August 03, 2022, 09:17:28 AM »
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1553113029969068035

Ben Gold had a 2 hit, 2 home run, 2 run, 4 rbi day at the annual softball game. Hopefully he can keep the production up all season!

Was there not a good baseball player that played bsaketball for us back in the 90s?

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« Reply #616 on: August 03, 2022, 09:57:23 AM »
I'm here for the Tyler Kolek "F You" tour this year.

Samsies. I've heard nothing but glowing things about Kolek's offseason.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #617 on: August 03, 2022, 09:58:10 AM »
Was there not a good baseball player that played bsaketball for us back in the 90s?

A couple of 'em. Chris Crawford and Richard Shaw both were drafted by MLB teams.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #618 on: August 03, 2022, 10:18:24 AM »
We have been singing this song for the last ten years and next year's in coming class is not turning heads either. With NIL my gut is telling me it will only get worse. However, I will still cheer on the team. Go Warriors! Go Golden Eagles!

I posted this on another site:

Let's talk about some programs that succeeded with "late bloomers" in recent years, using the 247 Composite:

  • Kansas 2022: #132 Ochai Agbaji (2018), #130 Christian Braun (2019), #94 Dajuan Harris (2019)
  • Baylor 2021: NR MaCio Teague (2016), NR Adam Flagler (2018), NR Jonathan Tchamwa Tchatchoua (2018), #97 Jared Butler (2018), #93 Matthew Mayer (2018)
  • Virginia 2019: #397 Kihei Clark (2018), #91 De'Andre Hunter (2016)
  • Villanova 2018: #210 Eric Paschall (2014), #124 Donte DiVincenzo (2015), #81 Mikal Bridges (2014), #75 Phil Booth (2014)
Shaka is going for the exact kind of guys that just won Kansas a national title. The 75-150 type guys in the Agbaji, Braun, Harris mold that grew from borderline 3/4 stars into national champs and NBA draft picks. On Parish and Norlander's podcast recently, Matt talked about Self telling him that he wanted those guys because his 4-star, 75th ranked player as a junior was going to be better than someone else's 5-star All-American as a freshman. And winning with mid-ranked upperclassmen has been consistent since Duke's 2015 title.

I trust this staff because I'm looking at the trajectory of who they've already prioritized. When Shaka made his first offers to Bond and Trimble, they were ranked 181st and 80th according to the 247 composite, respectively. As those guys enroll, they are at 63 and 37. Chase Ross is up from 256 when he committed to 173. Sean Jones is up from 182 to 157. Norman looks ready to make a leap similar to Bond or Trimble. They are identifying guys who are on the rise before they rise. Does it require some patience? Sure. But recent history also indicates it's the best path to winning at the highest level, and there's no real debate there.[/i]

I'd add that you do need typically need a little high level talent to win at the highest level. McCormack at Kansas, Mitchell at Baylor, Guy at Virginia, and Brunson at Villanova were all top-60 guys. And there were a few more sprinkled in. But all of those programs were built over years by their coaches and the foundation was guys that came in looking a lot like Joplin, Sean Jones, and Zaide Lowery who were then reinforced by guys that looked more like Donnie Freeman (#25 in 2024) and James Brown (#31 in 2024). Also worth nothing we haven't even started year 2 yet so maybe we need to be a little patient.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #619 on: August 03, 2022, 10:36:36 AM »
Well, to me, the answer to 1 & 2 is obviously Kam. The question is whether he's good enough yet to do it reliably.
This was also my answer.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #620 on: August 03, 2022, 10:53:01 AM »
This was also my answer.
Kam cannot be any worse than Markus was in hitting game winners.


Ah, I see we've found a new reason to be critical of Markus.
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« Reply #621 on: August 03, 2022, 10:53:45 AM »
Well, to me, the answer to 1 & 2 is obviously Kam. The question is whether he's good enough yet to do it reliably.

"Obviously?"  Kam was OK last year, but I don't see there is anyway that this falls into the "obvious" category.
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« Reply #622 on: August 03, 2022, 11:13:49 AM »
I posted this on another site:

Let's talk about some programs that succeeded with "late bloomers" in recent years, using the 247 Composite:

  • Kansas 2022: #132 Ochai Agbaji (2018), #130 Christian Braun (2019), #94 Dajuan Harris (2019)
  • Baylor 2021: NR MaCio Teague (2016), NR Adam Flagler (2018), NR Jonathan Tchamwa Tchatchoua (2018), #97 Jared Butler (2018), #93 Matthew Mayer (2018)
  • Virginia 2019: #397 Kihei Clark (2018), #91 De'Andre Hunter (2016)
  • Villanova 2018: #210 Eric Paschall (2014), #124 Donte DiVincenzo (2015), #81 Mikal Bridges (2014), #75 Phil Booth (2014)
Shaka is going for the exact kind of guys that just won Kansas a national title. The 75-150 type guys in the Agbaji, Braun, Harris mold that grew from borderline 3/4 stars into national champs and NBA draft picks. On Parish and Norlander's podcast recently, Matt talked about Self telling him that he wanted those guys because his 4-star, 75th ranked player as a junior was going to be better than someone else's 5-star All-American as a freshman. And winning with mid-ranked upperclassmen has been consistent since Duke's 2015 title.

I trust this staff because I'm looking at the trajectory of who they've already prioritized. When Shaka made his first offers to Bond and Trimble, they were ranked 181st and 80th according to the 247 composite, respectively. As those guys enroll, they are at 63 and 37. Chase Ross is up from 256 when he committed to 173. Sean Jones is up from 182 to 157. Norman looks ready to make a leap similar to Bond or Trimble. They are identifying guys who are on the rise before they rise. Does it require some patience? Sure. But recent history also indicates it's the best path to winning at the highest level, and there's no real debate there.[/i]

I'd add that you do need typically need a little high level talent to win at the highest level. McCormack at Kansas, Mitchell at Baylor, Guy at Virginia, and Brunson at Villanova were all top-60 guys. And there were a few more sprinkled in. But all of those programs were built over years by their coaches and the foundation was guys that came in looking a lot like Joplin, Sean Jones, and Zaide Lowery who were then reinforced by guys that looked more like Donnie Freeman (#25 in 2024) and James Brown (#31 in 2024). Also worth nothing we haven't even started year 2 yet so maybe we need to be a little patient.

I have been patient for ten years now and yes those teams won with "late bloomers" but now with the new transfer rules and NIL do you think a player that has a standout or even a decent season will not be tempted to look elsewhere? I am not sure how this new landscape is going to play out.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #623 on: August 03, 2022, 12:01:10 PM »
I have been patient for ten years now and yes those teams won with "late bloomers" but now with the new transfer rules and NIL do you think a player that has a standout or even a decent season will not be tempted to look elsewhere? I am not sure how this new landscape is going to play out.

As bad as the last decade has been, I can't hold the last year of Buzz and the 7 years of Wojo against Shaka. This staff is clearly prioritizing relationships, which can be seen in the comments from pretty much anyone in, around, or being recruited by the program. We won't know until we see it in action as far as how it will play out, but not having any transfers out this year (I don't count Greg, they made it clear he wasn't coming back on Senior Day) feels like a good sign and Shaka's own history of retaining players is better than any of our recent coaches. And as much as it's a new landscape, the thing we have always known about college basketball is that no matter how much it changes, the blue bloods remain the blue bloods, then there's a fight for who's in the 6-40 mix when it comes to programs. Between the BTD NIL and us prioritizing basketball above all else, I'm sure we will have the opportunity to succeed provided we have the right leadership. Is this the right leadership? We'll see. I have faith in the coaching staff. I have questions about other parts of leadership. But the next 1-3 years will tell us a lot.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #624 on: August 03, 2022, 12:07:35 PM »
I'm here for the Tyler Kolek "F You" tour this year.

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