Rebounding

[tower912]

I'm sure they do.  Any remedies you recommend Uncle R?

Extend the pressure, get more steals so the opponent doesn't get a chance to shoot.   

Eat more Arby's.

[The Sultan]

Extend the pressure, get more steals so the opponent doesn't get a chance to shoot.   

Eat more Arby's.

This very much sounds like contradictory advice tower.

[tower912]

This very much sounds like contradictory advice tower.

Fair.    Have all of the guards pressure more.    Have all of the bigs eat more Arby's.     

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm not bitching about anything, it's about understanding this weakness is a serious problem.  Our margin for error becomes much smaller when we get pounded on the glass.  Consistently winning this way is nearly impossible, that's the point.  In order to maximize our potential we have to find a way to rebound more effectively.  I think most Scoopers agree with this sentiment.

There were many problems earlier in the season and most have been at least somewhat resolved. Kolek's shooting is getting better, but he may never be a great shooter. His other contributions easily more than offset his shooting, so ...relax. The rebounding also will likely get better also. I'm basing this statement solely on Shaka's and his staff's at least partial resolutions of many issues already so...relax.

With all that said, no question that continued poor rebounding could very well cost us some games. I'm not so naive to think that we will be a great rebounding team this season, but I think it will be the next area where you will see modest, maybe even fairly significant, improvement. Relax! 

[We R Final Four]

I'm not bitching about anything, it's about understanding this weakness is a serious problem.  Our margin for error becomes much smaller when we get pounded on the glass.  Consistently winning this way is nearly impossible, that's the point.  In order to maximize our potential we have to find a way to rebound more effectively.  I think most Scoopers agree with this sentiment.

You have said in your posts:
We've gotta stop turning the ball over or there is no way we can win in the Big East.
We have to shoot 3s better or there is no way that we will win in the big East.
We have to rebound better or there is no way we will win in the big East.
We need Darryl to play like he did the first few games or we won't win in the big East.

This team isn't perfect. Enjoy the ride.

[cheebs09]

I think we should rebound the ball better.

For all my fellow 90s kids out there.

[muwarrior69]

Didn't they use to put a bubble on the basket to practice rebounding?

[tower912]

Izzo has done something like that in the past.   Of course, he has also put pads on players for that same drill.

[MuggsyB]

You have said in your posts:
We've gotta stop turning the ball over or there is no way we can win in the Big East.
We have to shoot 3s better or there is no way that we will win in the big East.
We have to rebound better or there is no way we will win in the big East.
We need Darryl to play like he did the first few games or we won't win in the big East.

This team isn't perfect. Enjoy the ride.

Alright.  I'll try to chill a bit.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Like Shaka said postgame, I'm not sure this specific issue can be fixed this season. This seemed like it was bigger and stronger Seton Hall players ripping the ball out of the hands of our guys. Oso, Kur, and Omax are athletes, but they aren't winning any arm wrestling matches with Yetna or Obiagu.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Like Shaka said postgame, I'm not sure this specific issue can be fixed this season. This seemed like it was bigger and stronger Seton Hall players ripping the ball out of the hands of our guys. Oso, Kur, and Omax are athletes, but they aren't winning any arm wrestling matches with Yetna or Obiagu.

Yeah in the first half when it started to be obvious that it was a problem, I specifically watched Oso on more than one occasion seek out Obiagu, stick his ass into him textbook for the seal, and Obiagu just went right over him. That was a massive size disparity, sometimes you just have to shrug your shoulders like when Aiken was hitting NBA step back 3's.

[Elonsmusk]

Like Shaka said postgame, I'm not sure this specific issue can be fixed this season. This seemed like it was bigger and stronger Seton Hall players ripping the ball out of the hands of our guys. Oso, Kur, and Omax are athletes, but they aren't winning any arm wrestling matches with Yetna or Obiagu.

I don't think he said the issue couldn't be fixed this season?  He said a lot of the time it's a matter of guys going and grabbing the ball aggressively.  Said that sometimes when a team is getting beat up on the O-Boards it can become a psychological thing of more hoping to get a rebound - versus going and attacking.  Mindset difference.  He felt there were a lot of loose ball rebounds that we just didn't grab.  There definitely are games where the rebounds just also oddly end up coming off favoring the offensive team.

That being said, we clearly aren't a good O-Rebounding team, but I think we can improve this season.  In some of the games it has seemed as though the caroms have favored our opponent.  We do need more production out of O-Max on the boards.  Also, we give up a lot on the boards when we go to a smaller lineup having Greg Elliott and or Kam in the game versus O-Max - but gain on the offensive end.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't think he said the issue couldn't be fixed this season?  He said a lot of the time it's a matter of guys going and grabbing the ball aggressively.  Said that sometimes when a team is getting beat up on the O-Boards it can become a psychological thing of more hoping to get a rebound - versus going and attacking.  Mindset difference.  He felt there were a lot of loose ball rebounds that we just didn't grab.  There definitely are games where the rebounds just also oddly end up coming off favoring the offensive team.

That being said, we clearly aren't a good O-Rebounding team, but I think we can improve this season.  In some of the games it has seemed as though the caroms have favored our opponent.  We do need more production out of O-Max on the boards.  Also, we give up a lot on the boards when we go to a smaller lineup having Greg Elliott and or Kam in the game versus O-Max - but gain on the offensive end.

Yes, he didn't say those words exactly. But the message was pretty clearly that they are bigger and stronger and we couldn't grab the ball as a result. Getting bigger and stronger is not something we can address midseason. Form and technique were not the problem this game.

[MU82]

Alright.  I'll try to chill a bit.

On the one hand, it's a fan board. We all speculate and worry and whine. You do it more than some and less than others.

On the other hand, getting a little less crazy about things you can't control would probably benefit your health over the long haul!

I actually think it's been a remarkable season so far, and I'm planning to keep enjoying the ride.

[Scoop Snoop]

On the one hand, it's a fan board. We all speculate and worry and whine. You do it more than some and less than others.

On the other hand, getting a little less crazy about things you can't control would probably benefit your health over the long haul!

I actually think it's been a remarkable season so far, and I'm planning to keep enjoying the ride.

Well said. I really like Muggsy's enthusiasm but criminy! Take a deep breath once in a while. Then again, that's just Muggsy. Let him be himself. Like Kolek bringing a lot to the team, Muggsy brings a lot to scoop. He's also the poster boy for caffeine addiction.

[tower912]

Yup.   Muggsy gotta Muggsy.   Or else.   Anything else is unacceptable.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

It feels like at times all our guys need is a little spidertack.  The rebound comes to them but suddenly seems to go the other way. 

[Newsdreams]

It feels like at times all our guys need is a little spidertack.  The rebound comes to them but suddenly seems to go the other way.

More medieval weapons is the key

[The Sultan]

More medieval weapons is the key

Tar...no feathers.

[Dr. Blackheart]

More medieval weapons is the key

More flaying. Less cockstepping

[wadesworld]

Terrible offense, lots of one on one, missing some good looks. Yet if we were competitive on the boards we'd win this one going away.

Let's finish this one strong.

[MUBurrow]

I mentioned this in the game thread, but wanted to see folks' thoughts.  Is it possible to play as fast as Shaka wants to play and not give up a ton of offensive boards? 

Off misses when we secure the rebound, Kolek typically pushes and has Morsell, Elliott, Jones already well ahead of him on the wing to receive the ball and open up the floor and initiate the offense early.  To get up the floor, those guys can't crash the defensive glass.  So we force a lot of misses where Kuath, Oso, Lewis get a body on a man but we're susceptible to guys flying in untouched to grab an offensive board.

Our leading rebounding guard is Kolek with 4 rebs and 30 mins per game.  That's because he's hanging back to receive the ball and bring it up, so he doesn't need to get up the floor.  Morsell is averaging 3.6 rebs and 30 mins.  Elliott and Jones are averaging 1.5 rebs per game in 15-20 mins. 

Is there a way to play fast and not get outrebounded this badly?  Do Morsell, Elliott and Jones need to do a better job getting a body on someone before they release up the floor, or is it a different issue?

[tower912]

Wider bodies who are also mobile enough to guard all the switches on the perimeter.    Probably not happening this year.    Shaka gave more run to Joplin today, IMO specifically to put another 6'7 player out there.   

[jesmu84]

I mentioned this in the game thread, but wanted to see folks' thoughts.  Is it possible to play as fast as Shaka wants to play and not give up a ton of offensive boards? 

Off misses when we secure the rebound, Kolek typically pushes and has Morsell, Elliott, Jones already well ahead of him on the wing to receive the ball and open up the floor and initiate the offense early.  To get up the floor, those guys can't crash the defensive glass.  So we force a lot of misses where Kuath, Oso, Lewis get a body on a man but we're susceptible to guys flying in untouched to grab an offensive board.

Our leading rebounding guard is Kolek with 4 rebs and 30 mins per game.  That's because he's hanging back to receive the ball and bring it up, so he doesn't need to get up the floor.  Morsell is averaging 3.6 rebs and 30 mins.  Elliott and Jones are averaging 1.5 rebs per game in 15-20 mins. 

Is there a way to play fast and not get outrebounded this badly?  Do Morsell, Elliott and Jones need to do a better job getting a body on someone before they release up the floor, or is it a different issue?

I brought this up a couple weeks ago. It makes sense, in theory, that you decide to play quick transition or to focus on getting defensive rebounding.

However, brew had stats that showed there's no real correlation.

So, you can accomplish both at the same time.

[Daniel]

Rebounding has been an issue all year.  We have length and some decent athletes.   We do not aggressively go after rebounds like we do on defense, and we don't box out well, and are rarely in good position to out hustle the opponent.  And ion a few rebounds a game we get it and it skips through our hands.   We do get some rebounds but giving up second and third chances for opponents to score has been the norm.

I'm sure Shaka and staff are working on it.