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Author Topic: What's the word on Garcia?  (Read 13986 times)

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #100 on: June 10, 2021, 10:45:02 AM »
+1.  Adam Silver (and whoever is advising him on this) deserve a lot of credit here.  The NBA did a great job surveying the evolution of straight from high school, to one and done, to kids starting to play overseas for a year.  They established a way to integrate the best young talent immediattely without relying on the CBK system and without burdening their teams by tossing unprepared high school kids on NBA rosters.

Pretty sure that was one of the stated goals Silver had when he took over the NBA, he wanted to develop a farm system akin to Hockey & Baseball and get away from the NFL route where it's basically college or nothing.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #101 on: June 10, 2021, 11:39:38 AM »
This.

I doubt anyone on this board holds Al McGuire in higher esteem than me. He was intuitively brilliant, larger than life and could command a room like no one I’ve ever known. And he was a very good man. But he played the angles and always had one. To take a school like Marquette on the run he did he had to. He would be the first to tell you that he wasn’t a saint, but every player that I know of thought they benefited from experiencing Al. And he won games at an outrageous clip. That’s an epitaph any coach should be proud of.

Agree wholeheartedly.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #102 on: June 10, 2021, 11:59:29 AM »
+1.  Adam Silver (and whoever is advising him on this) deserve a lot of credit here.  The NBA did a great job surveying the evolution of straight from high school, to one and done, to kids starting to play overseas for a year.  They established a way to integrate the best young talent immediattely without relying on the CBK system and without burdening their teams by tossing unprepared high school kids on NBA rosters.

The G League Ignite didn't start until after LaMelo Ball and others went to Australia.  The Australian National Basketball League came up with the idea for a developmental bridge year for prospects that wanted to turn pro instead of go to college.

The NBA teams didn't like the logistical challenges of international scouting, so the NBA responded with their own program.

College basketball is going to be more like college baseball, where the best prospects are split between college and professional minor leagues.  Overall, quality of play will continue to go down but parity will probably become even more prevalent.


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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #103 on: June 10, 2021, 12:24:33 PM »
Nope. Chones left about 3/4ths of the way through his second season under Al -- because freshmen weren't allowed to play back then.

Marquette got a total of 50 games, and one NCAA tournament appearance, in Chones' 1 3/4 seasons.



Only lost 1 game throughout #22's career, Nads, hey?
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #104 on: June 10, 2021, 01:29:37 PM »

I think we are already seeing teams who have invested in player development, and who have taken a transfer or two at the right time, playing better than the one-and-done era teams.  Baylor....UVa....Nova all fit that mold.  So on the one hand, I think that's good for college basketball.

That being said, I think college basketball has definitely been hurt by top talent leaving early.  Not only are they leaving earlier, but they are leaving in larger numbers.  And yes while that does put a premium on development, talent is talent.  And invariably it has hurt the game having less of it on the floor.  A generation ago, a player like Dawson Garcia would have stuck around three years.  He would have grown and started to dominate in certain phases of the game.  But also back then it was an NBA bench, a crappy developmental league or Europe.  Now there are better options for players who don't make an NBA bench immediately.  The NBA has invested in development - and it has worked!

Put it this way, the divide between the NBA and the college game has never been greater.
More teams, more roster spots, makes it easier for guys like Garcia to get signed. In a way NBA bench talent gets diluted.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2021, 02:03:28 PM »


Only lost 1 game throughout #22's career, Nads, hey?

Great player. Amazing career. I neither said nor suggested anything different, nu?
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2021, 03:53:16 PM »
I think this deserves a poll:

Garcia will within the next two months:
1. Become a Professional BB player.
2. Transfer to another university.
3. Remain a Golden Eagle.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2021, 04:07:21 PM »


Marquette got a total of 50 games, and one NCAA tournament appearance, in Chones' 1 3/4 seasons.

Mike

Think MU got 51 games out of Jimmy - and won 50 of ‘em.

No other MU player can come even remotely close to that winning %.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #108 on: June 10, 2021, 04:09:32 PM »
I think this deserves a poll:

Garcia will within the next two months:
1. Become a Professional BB player.
2. Transfer to another university.
3. Remain a Golden Eagle.

I definitely think he goes pro, think he could also come back to MU, but think there is almost a 0% chance he transfers elsewhere. It just doesn't make sense

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #109 on: June 10, 2021, 04:13:37 PM »
I think this deserves a poll:

Garcia will within the next two months:
1. Become a Professional BB player.
2. Transfer to another university.
3. Remain a Golden Eagle.

I think you have those in the right order
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #110 on: June 10, 2021, 04:36:42 PM »
I think you have those in the right order

If that's the right order, the time period of two months is not right. He has 20 days to enter the NCAA transfer portal.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #111 on: June 10, 2021, 06:11:22 PM »
Mike

Think MU got 51 games out of Jimmy - and won 50 of ‘em.

No other MU player can come even remotely close to that winning %.

After listening to most of the folks here the last 7 years March winning %>>>>>>> total winning %. Not blaming Chones or Al, take the $$$ and run, but as far as meaningless stats go, this is up there.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #112 on: June 10, 2021, 06:20:51 PM »
I definitely think he goes pro, think he could also come back to MU, but think there is almost a 0% chance he transfers elsewhere. It just doesn't make sense
What does not make sense to me is Garcia coming back to MU. Assuming he decides not to go pro, it would make more sense for him to play on a team that will make the NCAA tournament.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2021, 07:44:29 PM »
After listening to most of the folks here the last 7 years March winning %>>>>>>> total winning %. Not blaming Chones or Al, take the $$$ and run, but as far as meaningless stats go, this is up there.

Chines lost one game in his career and that one was stolen by the refs. But if you think 50-1 that deserved to be 51-0 is meaningless, OK.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2021, 08:18:03 PM »
Chines lost one game in his career and that one was stolen by the refs. But if you think 50-1 that deserved to be 51-0 is meaningless, OK.

No, I think wining percentage, which you brought up

No other MU player can come even remotely close to that winning %.

is stupid.  Chones has the resume as an all time great without fluff stats like this.  Throwing useless stats on a resume reduces the quality of the resume as a whole.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2021, 09:51:57 PM »
Mike

Think MU got 51 games out of Jimmy - and won 50 of ‘em.

No other MU player can come even remotely close to that winning %.

As I told Doc Dribble:

Great player. Amazing career. I neither said nor suggested anything different, nu?
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2021, 07:39:05 AM »
98.03% = winner, aina?
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2021, 08:00:05 AM »
Chones never made a Final 4.  He’s not even in my top 50 Marquette players of all-time. 
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2021, 08:00:52 AM »
98.03% = winner, aina?

Absolutely, Doc, I think so. Great player, amazing career.

I wonder if those who measure everything by tournament success think so, nu?
What was the first thing the Communists done when they took over Russia? Gun control. And there's a lot of people in this country want to do the same thing. They want to masticate the people like puppets on the wing, and then when they get their guns, turn us over to the Commies.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2021, 08:06:58 AM »
Absolutely, Doc, I think so. Great player, amazing career.

I wonder if those who measure everything by tournament success think so, nu?

Kentucky ran that Chones team off the floor.  Totally non-competitive game.  Sad
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #120 on: June 11, 2021, 08:07:33 AM »
Chones never made a Final 4.  He’s not even in my top 50 Marquette players of all-time.
UncleR, thats ridiculous. Maybe not something to be admitted.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #121 on: June 11, 2021, 08:08:24 AM »
UncleR, thats ridiculous. Maybe not something to be admitted.

It’s about winning in March
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #122 on: June 11, 2021, 08:30:09 AM »
It never ceases to amaze me how this place needs teal like it needs oxygen.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2021, 08:36:47 AM »
It never ceases to amaze me how this place needs teal like it needs oxygen.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #124 on: June 11, 2021, 10:10:25 AM »
It’s about winning in March
Only uncle would not have Chinese in an MU top 50. But he would include the biggest sleeper since Rip Van Winkle in it.

 

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