2021-22 Non-Conference Schedule

[brewcity77]

So let's start with what we know, which can be further augmented by what we learned and effectively had confirmed today.

• UW-Madison (A)
  
• Big 12 Battle game
  
• UCLA (H)
  
• Gavitt Game
  
• Three of West Virginia, St. Bonaventure, Clemson, Ole Miss, Temple, Boise State, Elon (N)
  
• Four guarantee games

The Big 12 game is most likely on the road because we played at home last year. The Gavitt Game is likely to be at home because Marquette plays those opposite to the UW-Madison site.

When I tweeted out expectations for the schedule today, Mike Broeker corrected my assumption of a home Charleston Classic game by saying "No Charleston campus game. Doesn't exist anymore. 4 buy games."

With an 11-game max (due to 20 conference games) that essentially tells us Marquette will play 4 home guarantee games and we will play both the Gavitt and Big 12 Battle games.

[Mu8891]

UWM ?

UWGB?

[tower912]

And break our winning streak against UWM?

[brewcity77]

And break our winning streak against UWM?

You spelled extend wrong.

[tower912]

But I spelled 'break' right.

[JakeBarnes]

So let's start with what we know, which can be further augmented by what we learned and effectively had confirmed today.

• UW-Madison (A)
  
• Big 12 Battle game
  
• UCLA (H)
  
• Gavitt Game
  
• Three of West Virginia, St. Bonaventure, Clemson, Ole Miss, Temple, Boise State, Elon (N)
  
• Four guarantee games

The Big 12 game is most likely on the road because we played at home last year. The Gavitt Game is likely to be at home because Marquette plays those opposite to the UW-Madison site.

When I tweeted out expectations for the schedule today, Mike Broeker corrected my assumption of a home Charleston Classic game by saying "No Charleston campus game. Doesn't exist anymore. 4 buy games."

With an 11-game max (due to 20 conference games) that essentially tells us Marquette will play 4 home guarantee games and we will play both the Gavitt and Big 12 Battle games.

Hope we get Clemson for an OMP vindication gamel

[Mr. Nielsen]

Home
Nov. 12 vs. New Hampshire
Nov. 15 vs. Illinois (Gavitt Games)
vs. UCLA

Road
Dec. 4 at Wisconsin
Dec. 8 at Kansas State (part of BE-B12 Challenge)

Charleston Classic Nov. 18th, 19th, and 21st. (Also Boise State, Clemson, Elon, Ole Miss, St. Bonaventure, Temple and West Virginia)

*Pending: Four guarantee games (Home) are slated according to Athletic Director Mike Broeker. In 2020 - Albany, Chicago State, Jackson State, Lehigh and Western Michigan all had cancelled guarantee games at MU.

https://bracketeer.org/nonconference/bigeast

[Herman Cain]

Home
Nov. 12 vs. New Hampshire
Nov. 15 vs. Illinois (Gavitt Games)
vs. UCLA

Road
Dec. 4 at Wisconsin
Dec. 8 at Kansas State (part of BE-B12 Challenge)

Charleston Classic Nov. 18th, 19th, and 21st. (Also Boise State, Clemson, Elon, Ole Miss, St. Bonaventure, Temple and West Virginia)

*Pending: Four guarantee games (Home) are slated according to Athletic Director Mike Broeker. In 2020 - Albany, Chicago State, Jackson State, Lehigh and Western Michigan all had cancelled guarantee games at MU.

https://bracketeer.org/nonconference/bigeast

Mr. Nielsen :
Is New Hampshire one of the Four buy games? So does this mean we are at a full 31 game schedule

Thanks

[Mr. Nielsen]

Mr. Nielsen :
Is New Hampshire one of the Four buy games? So does this mean we are at a full 31 game schedule

Thanks

New Hampshire is one of the four buy games. MU to play 31 full games. 20 Big East games.

[GoldenWarrior11]

What became of the announced Big East/PAC-12 Challenge?  Is that no longer happening?  I believe some games were supposed to be played in Vegas and NYC, if I'm not mistaken.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What became of the announced Big East/PAC-12 Challenge?  Is that no longer happening?  I believe some games were supposed to be played in Vegas and NYC, if I'm not mistaken.

Only 8 teams from each conference are participating. If Mr. Neilsen is correct (and he always is on this stuff) that may mean that we are one of the three teams left out in the cold.

[Mr. Nielsen]

What became of the announced Big East/PAC-12 Challenge?  Is that no longer happening?  I believe some games were supposed to be played in Vegas and NYC, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm not sure that was ever announced. UCLA and Arizona wanted no part of it, so the idea crashed.

[GoldenWarrior11]

https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/5/20/21264842/villanova-basketball-future-schedule-pac-12-coast-to-coast-challenge

Looks like it was announced.  Perhaps we are just not in it?  But I don't think there's been any announcement or update since the SBJ ran a story on it last May.

[jfp61]

Most of the conference vs conference events are scheduled through 2022. That's why they booked two games with Notre Dame in 2022-23 and 23-24.

[Mr. Nielsen]

https://www.vuhoops.com/2020/5/20/21264842/villanova-basketball-future-schedule-pac-12-coast-to-coast-challenge

Looks like it was announced.  Perhaps we are just not in it?  But I don't think there's been any announcement or update since the SBJ ran a story on it last May.

Humm. Good find! I guess we shall see if anything comes from this.

[dad's couch]

They could count the UCLA as part of challenge. If I recall. When the Big 12 Challenge started we were in the middle of a home and home with K State and they counted that game as part of the challenge.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

They could count the UCLA as part of challenge. If I recall. When the Big 12 Challenge started we were in the middle of a home and home with K State and they counted that game as part of the challenge.

Could be, but the original plan was to have all of the games take place in Vegas this season and NYC next season. Having UCLA at MU would be a significant departure....though that game could explain why MU is one of the three teams left out.

[GoldenWarrior11]

@roccomiller8
Marquette will host SIU-Edwardsville on November 9th. The game will serve as the season opener for both programs.

#BigEast
#OVC

[Mr. Nielsen]

@roccomiller8
Marquette will host SIU-Edwardsville on November 9th. The game will serve as the season opener for both programs.

#BigEast
#OVC

Head Coach, Brian Barone
Two local players. Desmond Polk & Carlos Curtis.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Head Coach, Brian Barone
Two local players. Desmond Polk & Carlos Curtis.

Carlos Curtis used to post here and is a big MU fan, iirc.

[Herman Cain]

Head Coach, Brian Barone
Two local players. Desmond Polk & Carlos Curtis.

Looking forward to seeing Desmond Polk in action. He got some good experience as a freshman so hopeful he can do well in his return to his home town.

Was also nice that Carlos Curtis got some meaningful  playing last year for SIU E as well.

Always good to see local kids making progress

[Mr. Nielsen]

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1417197585845137422

 UCLA on a Saturday!

[TallTitan34]

[MU82]

Thanks!

[MarquetteMike1977]

Thank You Awesome

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Projected T-Rank:

#308 SIUE
#222 New Hampshire
#4 Illinois
#69 Ole Miss
#32 West Virginia/#176 Elon
#20 St. Bonaventure/#49 Clemson/#71 Boise St/#121 Temple
#298 Northern Illinois
#190 Jackson St
at #57 Wisconsin
at #90 Kansas St
#2 UCLA

First reaction is that 7 out of 11 games are scheduled right where you want them to be for a young but talented team. 7 opponents preseason ranked somewhere between 20-222, all of these games are winnable but not dogs. Good challenges to build on.

Then there are two dogs in SIUE and Northern Illinois. Though at least they aren't projected to be in the bottom 50 and I like that SIUE is first to get the first game kinks out of the way. If you have to have two dogs on the schedule, these aren't bad ones to have.

Finally, there are nigh unwinnable games against 2 of the 4 teams T-rank projects to go to the Final Four. Gotta hope for some Fiserv magic. If nothing else, they will good measuring sticks to show how far we have to go to get to the levels we want MU to be at.

I'm expecting 7-4 against this schedule. Wouldn't be shocked but disappointed by 6-5. Would be impressed with 8-3. 9-2 or better and we should be in for a great year.

[GoldenWarrior11]

With the Big East moving to 20 games, OOC games are even more important to get wins and position yourself for a (hopeful) tournament bid.  With this year's team, confidence and wins are most important heading into conference play.  For this reason, and probably in the minority on the board, I am pleased to have SIUE, New Hampshire, Northern Illinois and Jackson State on the schedule. Those projected wins will be huge for the early season development of this young and inexperienced squad. 

[Mr. Nielsen]

Only four guarantee games, compared to 6 to 8 in most years. Like that as a STH.

[jfp61]

It really depends on the teams faced in the Tournament. I would sign up for 7 wins today if we beat ole miss and play WVU and one of Clemson or St Bons

[MU82]

It really depends on the teams faced in the Tournament. I would sign up for 7 wins today if we beat ole miss and play WVU and one of Clemson or St Bons

In some ways, Ole Miss could end up being the most important game on the non-con schedule.

[Herman Cain]

I believe MU can win The Charleston Classic . The overall schedule is good. Some tough games but a lot of winnable games . 7 to 8 wins are achievable.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

One thing I found while playing with t-rank. MU ranks 12th in fewest returning minutes in D1 with only 19.8% of their minutes returning. 5th amongst high majors. Only Georgia (7.2%), Minnesota (7.8%), Creighton (18.2%), and Mizzou (19.7%) have less returning minutes amongst high majors.

[Herman Cain]

One thing I found while playing with t-rank. MU ranks 12th in fewest returning minutes in D1 with only 19.8% of their minutes returning. 5th amongst high majors. Only Georgia (7.2%), Minnesota (7.8%), Creighton (18.2%), and Mizzou (19.7%) have less returning minutes amongst high majors.

Do they have some kind of analysis of returning minutes including transfers? As we have 3 starters transferring in.

[Nukem2]

One thing I found while playing with t-rank. MU ranks 12th in fewest returning minutes in D1 with only 19.8% of their minutes returning. 5th amongst high majors. Only Georgia (7.2%), Minnesota (7.8%), Creighton (18.2%), and Mizzou (19.7%) have less returning minutes amongst high majors.

Actually, MU is at 17.8% looking at the numbers at gomarquette.com

[Uncle Rico]

Projected T-Rank:

#308 SIUE
#222 New Hampshire
#4 Illinois
#69 Ole Miss
#32 West Virginia/#176 Elon
#20 St. Bonaventure/#49 Clemson/#71 Boise St/#121 Temple
#298 Northern Illinois
#190 Jackson St
at #57 Wisconsin
at #90 Kansas St
#2 UCLA

First reaction is that 7 out of 11 games are scheduled right where you want them to be for a young but talented team. 7 opponents preseason ranked somewhere between 20-222, all of these games are winnable but not dogs. Good challenges to build on.

Then there are two dogs in SIUE and Northern Illinois. Though at least they aren't projected to be in the bottom 50 and I like that SIUE is first to get the first game kinks out of the way. If you have to have two dogs on the schedule, these aren't bad ones to have.

Finally, there are nigh unwinnable games against 2 of the 4 teams T-rank projects to go to the Final Four. Gotta hope for some Fiserv magic. If nothing else, they will good measuring sticks to show how far we have to go to get to the levels we want MU to be at.

I'm expecting 7-4 against this schedule. Wouldn't be shocked but disappointed by 6-5. Would be impressed with 8-3. 9-2 or better and we should be in for a great year.

3-8

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Do they have some kind of analysis of returning minutes including transfers? As we have 3 starters transferring in.

Not that I can see but you're welcome to play around with it: https://www.barttorvik.com/?sort=rmp&conlimit=

Actually, MU is at 17.8% looking at the numbers at gomarquette.com

You aren't wrong. I don't know where t-rank gets their numbers.

[BrewCity83]

3-8

LOL.  So you have them losing to Jackson State or New Hampshire?

[Uncle Rico]

LOL.  So you have them losing to Jackson State or New Hampshire?

I wouldn’t sleep on either.  Brutality epitome awaits

[MU82]

3-8

Daaaaaaamn, Unk!

[Lennys Tap]

Actually, MU is at 17.8% looking at the numbers at gomarquette.com

Barest cupboard ever, a’ina?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Barest cupboard ever, a’ina?

Depends on if you credit him with "losing" 7 players to transfer and 1 to the pros. Personally, I don't so I would say yes, Shaka is starting with the barest cupboard of any MU coach since at least TC.

[Herman Cain]

Depends on if you credit him with "losing" 7 players to transfer and 1 to the pros. Personally, I don't so I would say yes, Shaka is starting with the barest cupboard of any MU coach since at least TC.

I look around the rest of the league and believe our team will represent MU well this year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I look around the rest of the league and believe our team will represent MU well this year.

I think they will represent us very well. Just not necessarily in the W/L column. I think we could end up finishing as high as sixth in the Big East...but more because the bottom half of the Big East is going to be bad this season.

[Its DJOver]

3-8

Unfortunately I could see it.  Am hoping for better, but there are a ton of young players that will have to grow up real fast for anything better to happen.

[rocky_warrior]

Unfortunately I could see it.  Am hoping for better, but there are a ton of young players that will have to grow up real fast for anything better to happen.

The D *may* be good enough to keep us in any game.  But when the D skips a beat, or the opposing team can't miss, it'll be a  painful day.   I'm not so optimistic on offense this year.

Rico was being funny though.  I think.  I hope.

[Uncle Rico]

The D *may* be good enough to keep us in any game.  But when the D skips a beat, or the opposing team can't miss, it'll be a  painful day.   I'm not so optimistic on offense this year.

Rico was being funny though.  I think.  I hope.

I’m very pessimistic about the actual record this year and am more focused on the process than wins and losses next year.  I think they’ll be bad early in the year and lose a game or two that will send people into making up clever nicknames for Shaka by the turn of the year.  The good news is, the Big East looks like hot trash again

[Its DJOver]

The D *may* be good enough to keep us in any game.  But when the D skips a beat, or the opposing team can't miss, it'll be a  painful day.   I'm not so optimistic on offense this year.

Rico was being funny though.  I think.  I hope.

I'm not as high on the defensive end as a lot of people here for a couple of reasons. 1, while there are some good individual defenders on the roster, that doesn't necessarily equal a good team defense, especially when they are all learning Shaka's system, and essentially no one has played together before. 2, no matter how you divvy up the minutes, underclassmen, specifically Freshman, will be getting significant minutes.  That's good for long term development, but it is very rare for a Freshman to be ready on that end of the court. 

I think what Rico, and Tower have said about next year the focus should be on the growth from Nov to March, rather than the W/L record, is spot on.

[MU82]

I agree about the process and all that. I expect some pain this season.

But I'll be pretty disappointed if we go into conference play with a losing record, let alone only 3 wins.

[Dr. Blackheart]

T-Tank has MU 8th in the Big East. This sounds about right to me as an expectation. One benchmark is to be better than 8-12 in the Big East that MU was during last year's flop.

Charleston will give us a strong idea how this team will perform--more qualitatively than quantitatively. One advantage for Shaka is he has his guys here and practicing his system. MU has more depth and athleticism while last year's team had more star power. But that star power never gelled for a number of reasons.

Out with the finesse and in with the physical.

https://www.barttorvik.com/?conlimit=BE&state=All&year=2022&sort=

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

#308 SIUE W
#222 New Hampshire W
#4 Illinois L
#69 Ole Miss W
#32 West Virginia L/#176 Elon
#20 St. Bonaventure/#49 Clemson L/#71 Boise St/#121 Temple
#298 Northern Illinois W
#190 Jackson St W
at #57 Wisconsin L
at #90 Kansas St W
#2 UCLA L

I see 6-5.  The Charleston games will be the difference between entering the Wisconsin game with a chance at decent season or being close to DOA. Not a ton of confidence in results this season, but looking forward to watching the kids.  Hope to be pleasantly surprised.

[MU82]

#308 SIUE W
#222 New Hampshire W
#4 Illinois L
#69 Ole Miss W
#32 West Virginia L/#176 Elon
#20 St. Bonaventure/#49 Clemson L/#71 Boise St/#121 Temple
#298 Northern Illinois W
#190 Jackson St W
at #57 Wisconsin L
at #90 Kansas St W
#2 UCLA L

I see 6-5.  The Charleston games will be the difference between entering the Wisconsin game with a chance at decent season or being close to DOA. Not a ton of confidence in results this season, but looking forward to watching the kids.  Hope to be pleasantly surprised.

I could see this projection happening, give or take a W or L.

If so, how are we losing? Are we getting run out of the gym by every good team we play? Are we mostly competitive, playing super-hard but simply losing to better, more experienced teams? Are we very competitive, losing several games at the end only because we don't have established closers? For that matter, how are we winning against the weak teams, overwhelming them with our defense and athletic superiority or just squeaking out victories? And regardless of record, is the team improving, playing noticeably better against Wis, KSU and UCLA than it did against Ill, Ole Miss and WV?

Those are the questions I'll want to see answered.

[IL Warrior]

The NBA schedule was released a few days ago, and the Bucks have a home game on 12/1 at 7:00pm. Does anyone know what this means for MU vs Jackson State? I see a few options:

• MU/JSU is played in the early afternoon, like 2:00pm. Not ideal, since 12/1 is a Wednesday.
• MU/JSU gets played somewhere other than Fiserv Forum.
• MU/JSU gets played on a different day. Fiserv has events every day 12/1 through 12/4, so this would mean moving up to the beginning of the week or some other week entirely. I couldn't find JSU's schedule, so not sure which other days match up.
• MU/JSU doesn't happen. MU only plays 30 games, and STHs lose a home game.
• MU/JSU doesn't happen. MU finds another opponent who is scrambling to add a game.

How does this even happen? Do the Bucks promise MU certain dates and went back on that promise? Does MU schedule non-conference games with no clue whether the arena is available?

[TallTitan34]

The NBA schedule was released a few days ago, and the Bucks have a home game on 12/1 at 7:00pm. Does anyone know what this means for MU vs Jackson State? I see a few options:

• MU/JSU is played in the early afternoon, like 2:00pm. Not ideal, since 12/1 is a Wednesday.
• MU/JSU gets played somewhere other than Fiserv Forum.
• MU/JSU gets played on a different day. Fiserv has events every day 12/1 through 12/4, so this would mean moving up to the beginning of the week or some other week entirely. I couldn't find JSU's schedule, so not sure which other days match up.
• MU/JSU doesn't happen. MU only plays 30 games, and STHs lose a home game.
• MU/JSU doesn't happen. MU finds another opponent who is scrambling to add a game.

How does this even happen? Do the Bucks promise MU certain dates and went back on that promise? Does MU schedule non-conference games with no clue whether the arena is available?

Marquette and the Bucks have games on the same day all the time.  They just swap out every thing as soon as the MU game ends.

[IL Warrior]

I know. I'm also fairly certain all the other instances have been on Saturday or Sunday. You don't see a lot of teams (especially high-major) playing early-afternoon games on a Wednesday.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Marquette and the Bucks have games on the same day all the time.  They just swap out every thing as soon as the MU game ends.

But not usually during the week.

[MUfan12]

JSU hasn't released their schedule yet, so I'm guessing it gets changed to Monday or Tuesday of that week.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wasn't the other team we played at the Al a SWAC team?  Maybe they're bringing it back?

[brewcity77]

Wasn't the other team we played at the Al a SWAC team?  Maybe they're bringing it back?

Marquette does NOT want that. They lost their string of consecutive top-15 in attendance seasons because of that game (Alabama State, I think). The NCAA told MU in preseason they would exempt that game from attendance counting, then changed their mind after the game was played. The Athletic Department was pissed.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Marquette does NOT want that. They lost their string of consecutive top-15 in attendance seasons because of that game (Alabama State, I think). The NCAA told MU in preseason they would exempt that game from attendance counting, then changed their mind after the game was played. The Athletic Department was pissed.

Is that really a big deal?

[MUfan12]

JSU moved to 11/30.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Exhibition game
Thurs. Nov 4- Bowie State

[WarriorPride68]

Is that really a big deal?

Without the sold out streak, Markus Howard was going to commit to Baylor

[warriorstrack]

Was checking out Bowie State's (EXH game) schedule (because I'm bored wating for Big East to drop)
Check out the mascot they have for Marquette, ha Fighting Squirrels?
https://bsubulldogs.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule


Looks tougher than a Golden Eagle!

Seems to have come from this school, Mary Baldwin
https://www.marybaldwinathletics.com/landing/index

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That's Mary Baldwin's logo.  No idea how they got that, but that's funny.

[GooooMarquette]

Was checking out Bowie State's (EXH game) schedule (because I'm bored wating for Big East to drop)
Check out the mascot they have for Marquette, ha Fighting Squirrels?
https://bsubulldogs.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule


Looks tougher than a Golden Eagle!

Seems to have come from this school, Mary Baldwin
https://www.marybaldwinathletics.com/landing/index

It's a sad state of affairs when an angry squirrel looks way tougher than our mascot....