2021-2022 NFL Season

[shoothoops]

Shoot ... I'm not arguing that St. Louis won't ask for billions. They can ask for as much as they want, and plaintiffs always ask for the moon.
What I'm suggesting is that what they're seeking and what's realistic are not the same. Even if they get a friendly jury to play along, I would not expect appellate courts to uphold that kind of a finding.

Like I said, I just present what I know. I know that St. Louis at this time, has won just about every legal decisiom in the case for 5 years. And, they aren't at this time, going to settle for anything with less than a B in front of it. They like their case, and their chances. It's silly to assume that a jury would be impartial. That of course is something the league will argue if/when they lose the case.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
Will Furrer (1992)
Steve Walsh (1994)
Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
Dave Krieg (1996)
Rick Mirer (1997)
Steve Stenstrom (1998)
Moses Moreno (1998)
Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
Cade McNown (1999-2000)
Jim Miller (1999-2002)
Chris Chandler (2002-03)
Henry Burris (2002)
Kordell Stewart (2003)
Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
Craig Krenzel (2004)
Chad Hutchinson (2004)
Jonathan Quinn (2004)
Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
Brian Griese (2006-07)
Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10
Todd Collins (2010)
Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
Josh McCown (2011-2013)
Jason Campbell (2012)
Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
Matt Barkley (2016)
Brian Hoyer (2016)
Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
Mike Glennon (2017)
Chase Daniel (2018-19)
Nick Foles (2020)
Andy Dalton (2021)
Justin Fields (2021)

[Uncle Rico]

Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
Will Furrer (1992)
Steve Walsh (1994)
Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
Dave Krieg (1996)
Rick Mirer (1997)
Steve Stenstrom (1998)
Moses Moreno (1998)
Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
Cade McNown (1999-2000)
Jim Miller (1999-2002)
Chris Chandler (2002-03)
Henry Burris (2002)
Kordell Stewart (2003)
Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
Craig Krenzel (2004)
Chad Hutchinson (2004)
Jonathan Quinn (2004)
Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
Brian Griese (2006-07)
Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10
Todd Collins (2010)
Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
Josh McCown (2011-2013)
Jason Campbell (2012)
Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
Matt Barkley (2016)
Brian Hoyer (2016)
Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
Mike Glennon (2017)
Chase Daniel (2018-19)
Nick Foles (2020)
Andy Dalton (2021)
Justin Fields (2021)

Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It's probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

[The Sultan]

Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
Will Furrer (1992)
Steve Walsh (1994)
Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
Dave Krieg (1996)
Rick Mirer (1997)
Steve Stenstrom (1998)
Moses Moreno (1998)
Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
Cade McNown (1999-2000)
Jim Miller (1999-2002)
Chris Chandler (2002-03)
Henry Burris (2002)
Kordell Stewart (2003)
Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
Craig Krenzel (2004)
Chad Hutchinson (2004)
Jonathan Quinn (2004)
Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
Brian Griese (2006-07)
Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10
Todd Collins (2010)
Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
Josh McCown (2011-2013)
Jason Campbell (2012)
Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
Matt Barkley (2016)
Brian Hoyer (2016)
Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
Mike Glennon (2017)
Chase Daniel (2018-19)
Nick Foles (2020)
Andy Dalton (2021)
Justin Fields (2021)

Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky
Not coincidentally, the Packers have a 44-15 edge in the head-to-head meetings since 1992. Favre lost his first game against Chicago in '92 and after that loss the Bears held a 24-game edge in the series, their most at any point in the rivalry.


Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky
Now, the Packers own a 101-95-6 record against the Bears in their series history -- the six-win edge representing the biggest advantage GB has ever owned over CHI. The Packers didn't own a series lead against the Bears from 1933 to 2016.

[tower912]

Lions fan laughs.

[JWags85]

Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It's probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

Krieg was pretty good for some moribund Seahawks teams in the mid 80s.  He's got a decent argument.

Harbaugh was pretty meh most of his career, save for 1995.  Cutler has better numbers than him pretty much across the board, even when factoring in playing in more a of pass heavy era.

Cutler was an above average (even if just slightly above average) QB playing in a terrible organization and terrible system with constantly revolving coaches and offensive schemes.  The vast majority of the names on that list don't even begin to approach "average QB" level.

[Dr. Blackheart]

As a long-suffering Bears fan, I'd like to reiterate that Mitch Trubisky  is the owner of the highest QB rating in team history of those who played a season or more.

Here's drinking to regression to the mean.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-passing-yards

[Lennys Tap]

Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It's probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

Krieg yes. Harbaugh no. McMahon maybe.

[Uncle Rico]

Krieg yes. Harbaugh no. McMahon maybe.

My Harbaugh memory is clouded by that '95 Colts season

[MUBurrow]

Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It's probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

I'm going to need a shower after suggesting this but by stats, it isn't Dalton, is it?

[Uncle Rico]

I'm going to need a shower after suggesting this but by stats, it isn't Dalton, is it?

Perhaps, but we have to keep things in perspective when it comes to numbers and how they game has evolved from even 1992

[MU82]

Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
Will Furrer (1992)
Steve Walsh (1994)
Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
Dave Krieg (1996)
Rick Mirer (1997)
Steve Stenstrom (1998)
Moses Moreno (1998)
Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
Cade McNown (1999-2000)
Jim Miller (1999-2002)
Chris Chandler (2002-03)
Henry Burris (2002)
Kordell Stewart (2003)
Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
Craig Krenzel (2004)
Chad Hutchinson (2004)
Jonathan Quinn (2004)
Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
Brian Griese (2006-07)
Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10
Todd Collins (2010)
Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
Josh McCown (2011-2013)
Jason Campbell (2012)
Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
Matt Barkley (2016)
Brian Hoyer (2016)
Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
Mike Glennon (2017)
Chase Daniel (2018-19)
Nick Foles (2020)
Andy Dalton (2021)
Justin Fields (2021)

Wow

[jesmu84]

Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It's probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

How dare you besmirch the good names of Grossman and Orton!

[MUeng]

How dare you besmirch the good names of Grossman and Orton!

Rexy led them to a super bowl.  Gotta be worth something right?

[forgetful]

In the Tampa Bay vs. Philly game they took about 6 minutes to review a possible interception (ruled interception on the field). If it takes you 6 minutes to evaluate it, there isn't enough evidence to overturn the call (they did overturn it).

[Herman Cain]

Brady had some poor passes in that last minute before the half . I wonder if the thumb got hit again and is affecting him.

[Dish]

Shoot ... I'm not arguing that St. Louis won't ask for billions. They can ask for as much as they want, and plaintiffs always ask for the moon.
What I'm suggesting is that what they're seeking and what's realistic are not the same. Even if they get a friendly jury to play along, I would not expect appellate courts to uphold that kind of a finding.

I've been following this case for a long time. This thing should have been settled a while ago. The only reason I can think the NFL legal team has been so bad thus far with their strategy is they just want more billable hours.

The key to this case is rich/powerful people don't want their financials looked at, and certainly don't want to be put on the stand to testify about them. At least for now, that's where this thing is headed. Just as Super Wild Card Weekend wraps up, multiple owners being called as witnesses would be very no bueno.

As far as the "billion" goes, if you believe the rumors that the NFL may offer to settle by placing an expansion franchise in St. Louis within 10 years, you would place that at $2 billion (at least). However, I think the city/county almost value more the theatre of getting the commissioner and owner's on the stand, than the actual settlement dollars. I'm not saying that's right, that's my perception.

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1448828565781364739?t=Es1-xvbpRiY44Qt628lsWg&s=19

All hands on deck to protect Tom

[Herman Cain]

Brady had some poor passes in that last minute before the half . I wonder if the thumb got hit again and is affecting him.

Arians said they were just overly conservative passes

[forgetful]

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1448828565781364739?t=Es1-xvbpRiY44Qt628lsWg&s=19

All hands on deck to protect Tom

When you watch a Tampa Bay game, it is really hard not to believe in conspiracy theories. I've never seen a team get away with so many blatant and obvious pass interferences. That has consistently spanned across the last two seasons.

[MU82]

When you watch a Tampa Bay game, it is really hard not to believe in conspiracy theories. I've never seen a team get away with so many blatant and obvious pass interferences. That has consistently spanned across the last two seasons.

I just think the refs suck at calling it. It's football's version of block/charge ... but the penalty in football is usually far more impactful.

[The Sultan]

The problem with PI is that the blatant calls have the same (enormous) penalty as the borderline ones.  However, I don't think the NFL should have its refs try to differentiate between the two.  So that is why I think the penalty should just go back to 15 yards like college.

I haven't watched enough Buc football to have an opinion if they get any sort of benefit.

[Pakuni]

The problem with PI is that the blatant calls have the same (enormous) penalty as the borderline ones.  However, I don't think the NFL should have its refs try to differentiate between the two.  So that is why I think the penalty should just go back to 15 yards like college.

I haven't watched enough Buc football to have an opinion if they get any sort of benefit.

The downside of the 15-yard penalty is that it rewards the defense for tackling the receiver when beat on a pass more than 15 yards downfield or in the end zone. Every defensive coach will teach it.

[Uncle Rico]

The downside of the 15-yard penalty is that it rewards the defense for tackling the receiver when beat on a pass more than 15 yards downfield or in the end zone. Every defensive coach will teach it.

The rules are so tilted towards the offense, I'm ok with the defense being thrown a bone with a 15-yard PI penalty

[forgetful]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation


So in the 650,000 emails no one else used racist or misogynistic language? Who exactly did Gruden get the naked photos of WFT cheerleaders from? And who else was sending them around.

I call BS on no one else having sent similar emails.

Not to mention, why didn't anyone report this behavior?