Another Black man killed by cops ... this time by accident?

[4everwarriors]

The question that begs to be asked is, why is a 13 yo out at 2:30 am with a gun? Where are his parents in all this? Perhaps they failed him?  #tragic

[naginiF]

If you look at any specific situation you can micro analyze it to make you feel comfortable with the action of the police:
- bad day
- mistake
- not enough time to react
- bad parents
- why run?
- need to comply

But if you justify every killing against POC by police by micro analyzing every situation and don't look at the wholistic problem that POC are treated demonstrably worse it adds up to one thing.......you just don't care that it happens. Period.

"but that isn't true, of course I care. how dare you say that?" Admit that it's a problem specifically for Black and other POC communities, hold the police accountable, be open to real police reform and support programs to change Black communities. Without acknowledgment and being open to real change it's 100% lip service to claim you care.

[Babybluejeans]

The question that begs to be asked is, why is a 13 yo out at 2:30 am with a gun? Where are his parents in all this? Perhaps they failed him?  #tragic

No doubt. Society includes his parents, and they're on the hook too.

[forgetful]

The question that begs to be asked is, why is a 13 yo out at 2:30 am with a gun? Where are his parents in all this? Perhaps they failed him?  #tragic

https://www.chicagoreporter.com/the-plunder-of-black-wealth-in-chicago-captured-in-film/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ

Here's a good start. We can provide more if you want to learn about how we got to where we are now. The good news, is that all of us can be part of undoing the wrongs of the past if we want to.

The bottom line is we have all failed Adam Toledo.

[The Sultan]

The question that begs to be asked is, why is a 13 yo out at 2:30 am with a gun? Where are his parents in all this? Perhaps they failed him?  #tragic

Always a way to blame the victim.

[wadesworld]

The question that begs to be asked is, why is a 13 yo out at 2:30 am with a gun? Where are his parents in all this? Perhaps they failed him?  #tragic

But Kyle Rittenhouse is a national hero.

[dgies9156]

If you look at any specific situation you can micro analyze it to make you feel comfortable with the action of the police:
- bad day
- mistake
- not enough time to react
- bad parents
- why run?
- need to comply

But if you justify every killing against POC by police by micro analyzing every situation and don't look at the wholistic problem that POC are treated demonstrably worse it adds up to one thing.......you just don't care that it happens. Period.

"but that isn't true, of course I care. how dare you say that?" Admit that it's a problem specifically for Black and other POC communities, hold the police accountable, be open to real police reform and support programs to change Black communities. Without acknowledgment and being open to real change it's 100% lip service to claim you care.

As I explained earlier, I have seen over and over persons of African American descent treated more harshly and less humanely than Caucasians. That's just a fact.

That said, and that's a big reality, we need to address the problem not by anecdotal information but by saying, OK, where do we start? Police officers are mostly descent people and a product of their training, environment and expectations. If they're trained and managed by jackasses who are bigoted, then guess what, they're bigoted too.

Some questions worthy of intelligent discussion:
  1) How do we train police officers?
  2) What educational expectations do we have?
  3) What do we expect them to do?
    a) Should we have specializations within departments to make sure things like domestic disputes, racial differences, social differences, etc., are adequately addressed?
  4) Are police paid enough?
  5) Do we have enough Hispanics and African Americans on most police forces?
    a) What happens when forces are representative of their communities?

The ironic thing is I believe we're back in the 1960s. Baby boomers had much the same attitude about police officers. Certainly, African-Americans baby boomers felt the same way about police. After 50 years, you'd think we would have learned something.

This is from 1968-1969 and it sounds a lot like today. A bit on the racist stereotype side but, as the dialogue shows, things haven't changed much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdHkGPuKZc

[jesmu84]

But Kyle Rittenhouse is a national hero.

Some think so: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/16/us-police-officers-public-officials-crowdfunding-website-data-breach

[naginiF]

As I explained earlier, I have seen over and over persons of African American descent treated more harshly and less humanely than Caucasians. That's just a fact.

That said, and that's a big reality, we need to address the problem not by anecdotal information but by saying, OK, where do we start? Police officers are mostly descent people and a product of their training, environment and expectations. If they're trained and managed by jackasses who are bigoted, then guess what, they're bigoted too.

Some questions worthy of intelligent discussion:
  1) How do we train police officers?
  2) What educational expectations do we have?
  3) What do we expect them to do?
    a) Should we have specializations within departments to make sure things like domestic disputes, racial differences, social differences, etc., are adequately addressed?
  4) Are police paid enough?
  5) Do we have enough Hispanics and African Americans on most police forces?
    a) What happens when forces are representative of their communities?

The ironic thing is I believe we're back in the 1960s. Baby boomers had much the same attitude about police officers. Certainly, African-Americans baby boomers felt the same way about police. After 50 years, you'd think we would have learned something.

This is from 1968-1969 and it sounds a lot like today. A bit on the racist stereotype side but, as the dialogue shows, things haven't changed much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdHkGPuKZc

Agree with all of this - the key component to getting anything changed is confronting the fact that there is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Regarding the Dragnet clip (Muggs - don't watch to the end. They don't disparage a sea mammal but it'll trigger you) the cultural references I use to show that not much changes are that Killing In The Name and F*ck The Police came out in '91 and '88, but the fact that the issue hit prime time TV in '68 speaks volumes to the lack of progress.

[#UnleashSean]

Looks like the police are having a great time. Macing press camera crews while live is a fantastic look for them.

Then they used tear gas, against a ban that prohibited tear gas in the city. They are now openly disobeying the laws they were meant to uphold.

[MU82]

Looks like the police are having a great time. Macing press camera crews while live is a fantastic look for them.

Then they used tear gas, against a ban that prohibited tear gas in the city. They are now openly disobeying the laws they were meant to uphold.



Effen pathetic.

[Hards Alumni]

If you watched any of the interview Chris Cuomo did with Catanzara of the Chicago Police Union, you'd understand why we are where we are with policing in America.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/president-of-chicago-police-union-says-shooting-of-adam-toledo-was-100-justified-that-officers-actions-were-actually-heroic/?jwsource=cl

*trigger warning Chris Cuomo

[Skatastrophy]

If you watched any of the interview Chris Cuomo did with Catanzara of the Chicago Police Union, you'd understand why we are where we are with policing in America.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/president-of-chicago-police-union-says-shooting-of-adam-toledo-was-100-justified-that-officers-actions-were-actually-heroic/?jwsource=cl

*trigger warning Chris Cuomo

Catanzara is a Q Anon nut. They should have been classified as a terrorist organization, but they're too deeply embedded in the GOP at this point. The FBI having published a report calling QAnon a potential source of domestic terrorism is not far enough, imo.

[The Sultan]

Good article on reducing number of traffic stops.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/end-needless-interaction-with-cops-during-traffic-stops/490412/

[Billy Hoyle]

The question that begs to be asked is, why is a 13 yo out at 2:30 am with a gun? Where are his parents in all this? Perhaps they failed him?  #tragic

a 13-year-old kid who had just fired eight+ shots at a moving car which is why the police were called. 

[Pakuni]

a 13-year-old kid who had just fired eight+ shots at a moving car which is why the police were called.

This isn't at all true.

[Babybluejeans]

a 13-year-old kid who had just fired eight+ shots at a moving car which is why the police were called.

Oh wow. This is just objectively false. Try a different method of rationalization.

[Galway Eagle]

a 13-year-old kid who had just fired eight+ shots at a moving car which is why the police were called.

Bro... come on...

[rocket surgeon]

But Kyle Rittenhouse is a national hero.

you gotta change that name bro.  it reeks of fraud and racism.  it doesn't do justice to our african american people-they're getting used, mislead and ripped off.  please stop supporting a cause that is divisive at very least.  they could care less about the police shootings except that there's gold in them thar hills-very sad.  the people who really need the help ain't getting it from BLM

[jesmu84]

you gotta change that name bro.  it reeks of fraud and racism.  it doesn't do justice to our african american people-they're getting used, mislead and ripped off.  please stop supporting a cause that is divisive at very least.  they could care less about the police shootings except that there's gold in them thar hills-very sad.  the people who really need the help ain't getting it from BLM

Movement and LLC are 2 different things. Did you know that?

[MuggsyB]

I am curious what my Democrat friends here think about Maxine Waters?  Because apparently the Minny judge (Democrat) absolutely pummeled her today and her ignominious behavior. 

[jesmu84]

I am curious what my Democrat friends here think about Maxine Waters?  Because apparently the Minny judge (Democrat) absolutely pummeled her today and her ignominious behavior.

Dumb for her to make comments right now.

[MuggsyB]

Dumb for her to make comments right now.

I think it goes beyond dumb but ty for your honesty.

[Pakuni]

I am curious what my Democrat friends here think about Maxine Waters?  Because apparently the Minny judge (Democrat) absolutely pummeled her today and her ignominious behavior.

Maxine Waters us a doofus.

[JWags85]

Maxine Waters us a doofus.

She defended the riots in South Central 30 years ago.  It's just what she does.  And when Pelosi defends her, she keeps doing it.  Doofus is a good assessment