The Waters for Dawson.

[BCHoopster]

I'm surprised Carton didn't test the waters for feedback as well.

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Athletically NBA ready, basketball wise has to get to get better in all facets. With his history of mental illness, college right now is a better fit, better environment.  Good choice to stay.

[Pakuni]

Keep in mind, unless they're drafting in the top 5, NBA teams care very little about where a player is today. They want to project where he's going to be a couple of years down the road. And Dawson has some projectable tools with his size, shooting and handle. He does need to get way better on D, and he gets stuffed at the rim too often. The latter will improve as he fills out and gets stronger.
I don't think he's anywhere near NBA ready, and I believe he'll be told to go back to school for at least another year, but there's plenty there for pro scouts to like.

[Silkk the Shaka]

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Athletically NBA ready, basketball wise has to get to get better in all facets. With his history of mental illness, college right now is a better fit, better environment.  Good choice to stay.

"testing the waters" is a free option on getting good feedback from potential employers. You can declare & get the feedback with 0 intention of actually entering the draft. I'm frankly surprised more don't take advantage of the option.

[MU82]

He's got good size, a nice touch on his shot and isn't a bad rebounder.

I think he has some things to work on, especially strength-wise, to be a consistent contributor in the NBA, but people seem to make the same mistakes every year about this time.

1. Getting an evaluation without hiring an agent isn't that big of a deal
2.  If he decides to enter the draft, it will be because of the feedback he received from experts that know a lot more than we do.
3.  They aren't just looking at his college production.  They are looking at his potential.

Agree with all of this. I'd add ...

4. Players sometimes leave even if NBA people don't tell them what they want to hear. They don't enjoy college, or they are being influenced by unknowledgeable friends/family, or they would be happy either learning in the G-League or Europe. So the fact that a player isn't "ready" can be pretty meaningless as far as the decision goes. I doubt NBA folks were telling Vander, "You're gonna be a star, kid!"

Selfishly, as one who enjoys watching Dawson play, who thinks he can improve significantly as a college player and who wants Marquette to kick butt, I'm hoping that Dawson is staying for at least another season.

I actually view this decision -- to get evaluated by NBA folks without also putting his name in the transfer portal -- as a very positive development for Marquette's 2021-22 team.

[Litehouse]

"testing the waters" is a free option on getting good feedback from potential employers. You can declare & get the feedback with 0 intention of actually entering the draft. I'm frankly surprised more don't take advantage of the option.

Yeah, but it still involves time and effort on the players part, like going through a job interview process.  I can see how it could be an unwanted distraction, especially if the player knows they want to return and the things they need to work on are obvious.  I have no idea what the feedback process looks like, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not very detailed because NBA execs don't want to waste their time on this either.  For someone like DJ, it might be nothing more than this...
[/size]Strengths: athleticism
[/size]Weaknesses: shooting
[/size]Projection: undrafted

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Dawson is 100% making the right decision here.

He also is 100% not ready for the NBA. 

[Warrior Code]

Keep in mind, unless they're drafting in the top 5, NBA teams care very little about where a player is today. They want to project where he's going to be a couple of years down the road. And Dawson has some projectable tools with his size, shooting and handle. He does need to get way better on D, and he gets stuffed at the rim too often. The latter will improve as he fills out and gets stronger.
I don't think he's anywhere near NBA ready, and I believe he'll be told to go back to school for at least another year, but there's plenty there for pro scouts to like.

This will never happen, but I'd be interested to see what would happen if the NBA were to adopt an NHL-like system where a team could draft and retain the rights to a player but allow him to stay in college (if my understanding of that rule is correct).

[Galway Eagle]

This will never happen, but I'd be interested to see what would happen if the NBA were to adopt an NHL-like system where a team could draft and retain the rights to a player but allow him to stay in college (if my understanding of that rule is correct).

Isn't that what the Celtics did to bird?

Also if they're gonna adopt any NHL system I say bring power plays where a foul makes you play man down for 30sec

[The Sultan]

This will never happen, but I'd be interested to see what would happen if the NBA were to adopt an NHL-like system where a team could draft and retain the rights to a player but allow him to stay in college (if my understanding of that rule is correct).

I actually think this is an extremely good idea and the NBA and NCAA used to allow this.  Larry Bird was eligible and was drafted in 1978 by the Celtics.  They owned his rights until the 1979 draft, at which point he could have re-entered.  But the Celtics signed him prior to the 1979 draft.

[copious1218]

Are players able to "test the waters" more than once?  My recollection was that a player could only do it one time, but I'm not sure if my recollection is incorrect or if this has changed? 

[JTJ3]

wouldnt be shocked if he's told to get a little bigger so he can play center in the pros.  he's 6'11 and already pretty well built.  he'd be a bigger mismatch in the nba as a skilled 5 rather than trying to play against all the athletic 4s in the league.

[Pakuni]

This will never happen, but I'd be interested to see what would happen if the NBA were to adopt an NHL-like system where a team could draft and retain the rights to a player but allow him to stay in college (if my understanding of that rule is correct).

Yes, the NHL system is way better. Basically, the team that drafts a college player generally retains his rights for four years after he's drafted.

[DienerTime34]

Dawson got thrown around like a ragdoll at times down low against 19-22 year olds. But players think differently than they did even 10-15 years ago. It's not "Am I ready for the NBA"? It's "Would I rather get paid in some fashion to play basketball, whether it's G-League or overseas, and focus on it full time over school work?" What gets him better faster? We'll see.

[Warrior Code]

Isn't that what the Celtics did to bird?

Also if they're gonna adopt any NHL system I say bring power plays where a foul makes you play man down for 30sec

For every common foul? That would be chaos. Could be a lot of fun though.

Side bar - I'd love to see more just straight up bonkers rules in sports. Lower leagues looking for more fans could could be a testing ground. If you hit a pop fly but you can make it all the way to second base before it's caught? Safe. Holing out from a bunker should get you one stroke removed from your score. Soccer teams allowed one handball per game. Let's get nuts.

Also, my personal favorite:
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/967485954461192193?s=20

[Galway Eagle]

For every common foul? That would be chaos. Could be a lot of fun though.

Side bar - I'd love to see more just straight up bonkers rules in sports. Lower leagues looking for more fans could could be a testing ground. If you hit a pop fly but you can make it all the way to second base before it's caught? Safe. Holing out from a bunker should get you one stroke removed from your score. Soccer teams allowed one handball per game. Let's get nuts.

Also, my personal favorite:
https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/967485954461192193?s=20

Yeah, 30 sec, releasable on a score foul. Other brilliant idea would be hockey/lacrosse substitutions. You could literally have someone like Theo running back for D and take him off on the fly.

[rocky_warrior]

Yeah, 30 sec, releasable on a score foul. Other brilliant idea would be hockey/lacrosse substitutions. You could literally have someone like Theo running back for D and take him off on the fly.

Basketball redefined by MUScoop.  Lets make the ball out of superball material too!

[MUDPT]

Sam Vecenie:

Marquette's Dawson Garcia has some real offensive skill as a ballhandler and shooter, but he's awful defensively right now. He needs to get stronger and prove himself there. These players should all go back to school and keep improving their games.

[StillAWarrior]

Basketball redefined by MUScoop.  Lets make the ball out of superball material too!

And if someone flops, it's perfectly legal to go right over them...stepping on them if necessary (stamping even). Even if it is not a "basketball play."

[Pakuni]

And if someone flops, it's perfectly legal to go right over them...stepping on them if necessary (stamping even). Even if it is not a "basketball play."

Yours truly,
Christian Laettner

[JakeBarnes]

Sam Vecenie:

Marquette's Dawson Garcia has some real offensive skill as a ballhandler and shooter, but he's awful defensively right now. He needs to get stronger and prove himself there. These players should all go back to school and keep improving their games.

Was this his podcast?

[#UnleashSean]

hence he's maybe a late 2nd rd pick, then assigned to the G-league  for additional development?

I advocate a lot for players to go pro as soon as they can. However if you have the potential to be in the top 20ish in another year or so you should stay in college for the guaranteed contract.

[Billy Hoyle]

Sam Vecenie:

Marquette's Dawson Garcia has some real offensive skill as a ballhandler and shooter, but he's awful defensively right now. He needs to get stronger and prove himself there. These players should all go back to school and keep improving their games.

hopefully he isn't pushed to sign with an agent. Then Dawson would be up a creek. 

[MUDPT]

Was this his podcast?

3/1 Big Board

[JakeBarnes]

3/1 Big Board

Thanks!

[frozena pizza]

I have fully expected him to be done after this year for a long time.  He clearly has things to work on, but also has the tools be a contributor in the NBA.  Whether he is ready right now is not the issue.  Hope I'm wrong but plenty of players with far less upside than Dawson have left school early.