NO THANKS to Scholl and Lovell... We were taken to the cleaners....

[Viper]

Free advice- don't waste your time reading Art of the Deal. Better you take Hydroxychloroquine.

so says a Mut

[dad's couch]

My argument against this is that it's hard to win when you have 1 and dones in the program.  Look at what Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas did this year...1 tourney win combined.   I don't think you'll see that at MU as Shaka's recruiting will suffer a bit compared to Texas.  Many of his recruits were in state at Texas and that won't translate to MU.  You'll see 4 and 3 star recruits at MU which may be a better thing if he can get a senior laden squad together for a run.

The problem with that thinking it is not based in the new reality. One and done no longer means leaving for the NBA. The transfer portal will probably average over 1000 players each year with the new one time waiver. That averages out to about 3 players. it's not a MU or Shaka problem but across the sport. It will be nearly impossible to have a senior laden team unless the bulk of seniors are transfers in.

[Avenue Commons]

A lot of misinformation in the OP.

MU did not pay the majority of the buyout for Wojo. Donors stepped up to do it. Maybe that means there's an opportunity cost for future donations but not a significant actual cost.

MU also did not pay Shaka's buyout. An agreement was met with Texas.

I would also not assume that Shaka is getting more than Wojo. We'll need to wait a few years for that confirmation.

Given the breath of life that this hire will bring the program, I think it will be an excellent short term financial decision. Whether or not it is an excellent long term financial decision will all depend on how Shaka performs. But that's the case any time you hire a new coach.

You win the award for the most reasonable post in this thread.

Congratulations. 🏆

[Avenue Commons]

Wow ... this is some thread.

Isn't it? I was just thinking of how it a prism into the inner workings of this board. Some insights. A bit of inside scoop. Some reasoned analysis. Then a slide into elephants in the room....... Then some actual basketball talk. Wrapped up with some name calling.

[dgies9156]

The elephant in the room is that MU was never going to hire another white  guy as coach due to significant pressure from multiple woke groups.  That gave Shake a leg up and MU took the easy way out.

Shaka's best years are way behind him.  You realize he was at VCU almost 10 years ago? He now has F&$! you money.  He bailed on us 7 years ago, did the brain trust ask him about that? 

He wanted out of UT, not into MU.  He just took the first deal available and got a lucrative deal to come home because he couldn't take the heat in Texas

I will support him, but will I be called an unwoke racist if I criticize him?

If Shaka leads us to the promised land, nobody will give a rats backside about his race, gender or anything else. We will love him as much as we loved Al.

Conversely, if he fails, I promise we will give him exactly the same treatment Wojo got. Marquette fans are non-discriminatory. We hate losing no matter who is leading us.

[The Sultan]

If Shaka leads us to the promised land, nobody will give a rats backside about his race, gender or anything else. We will love him as much as we loved Al.

Conversely, if he fails, I promise we will give him exactly the same treatment Wojo got. Marquette fans are non-discriminatory. We hate losing no matter who is leading us.

Probably should not paint with that broad of a brush.

[Avenue Commons]

Not to mention the "woke groups" don't really have any pull around the basketball program......

By the way, none of our vastly African-American student athletes had an issue playing for a white coach. No one here should trouble themselves with the race of the coach, either.

One love. Have a great weekend, everybody. MU Ra Ra.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I think people should watch Jerels video that Mr Nielsen posted about what this means to him. 

[4everwarriors]

I like your confidence PRN!  Hope you are right.

I'm with Rican, Goose, and others here who exude enthusiasm. MU hoops are going uptown with Shaka. For those who thought Woj was a good recruiter, hold on y'all, because Marquette will soon be at the table with players Woj couldn't even get to return his phone call.
In short, Shaka gives us instant credibility, and with that, I am confident of achieving the success we all crave and deserve, aina?

[Goose]

Doc,
I gave Wojo credit for chasing some big names, but agree on his recruiting overall. That was the ONLY hope I had that he could compete at bubble team level. Shaka will knock it out off the park on the recruiting front and the sky is the limit. I actually think he will field a very competitive team this upcoming season.

[MU82]

A lot of misinformation in the OP.

MU did not pay the majority of the buyout for Wojo. Donors stepped up to do it. Maybe that means there's an opportunity cost for future donations but not a significant actual cost.

MU also did not pay Shaka's buyout. An agreement was met with Texas.

I would also not assume that Shaka is getting more than Wojo. We'll need to wait a few years for that confirmation.

Given the breath of life that this hire will bring the program, I think it will be an excellent short term financial decision. Whether or not it is an excellent long term financial decision will all depend on how Shaka performs. But that's the case any time you hire a new coach.

Reasonable and well-reasoned post, TAMU.

Last paragraph definitely resonates. Had Wojo returned, there was going to be a huge hit to season tickets and a dramatic overall attendance falloff. With Shaka, ticket sales likely will increase. The difference probably will pay for whatever MU had to pony up to dump Wojo and get Shaka, and then some. I have already heard from a half-dozen people saying they are interested in season tickets for the first time, and my best buds from my Marquette days - all of whom no longer live in the Midwest - are already talking about how many games we should try to attend.

[burger]

I have seen a bunch of negotiated buyouts.......$7 million.....So Wojo was making 2.3 a year with 3 years left......On a mutual parting that has been "spun"......The buyout would be one year's salary but certainly not more than 2 years.....

So the probability of a $3ish level buyout is the standard practice.....Especially when he could be "fired for cause" and would have to "litigate" his $$$.....(cause: not accepting an associate head coach or some spin on that subject).....No one wants that scenario.....and money in the hand...etc...etc.....

So 3ish +/- 500 would be my educated opinion......

[swoopem]

I'm with Rican, Goose, and others here who exude enthusiasm. MU hoops are going uptown with Shaka. For those who thought Woj was a good recruiter, hold on y'all, because Marquette will soon be at the table with players Woj couldn't even get to return his phone call.
In short, Shaka gives us instant credibility, and with that, I am confident of achieving the success we all crave and deserve, aina?

Agreed. I've already made multiple bets with friends (MSU and Iowa alums) that we'll make the final 4 in Shaka's first 5 years.

I'm confident in that

[ATL MU Warrior]

Doc,
I gave Wojo credit for chasing some big names, but agree on his recruiting overall. That was the ONLY hope I had that he could compete at bubble team level. Shaka will knock it out off the park on the recruiting front and the sky is the limit. I actually think he will field a very competitive team this upcoming season.

I think you are right and your last sentence is why he was the best choice of those rumored to be in consideration.

[willie warrior]

Agreed. I've already made multiple bets with friends (MSU and Iowa alums) that we'll make the final 4 in Shaka's first 5 years.

I'm confident in that

These are confident words and I hope you are right, but 5 years? What in Shakas most recent years leads you to believe this?

[vogue65]

The problem with that thinking it is not based in the new reality. One and done no longer means leaving for the NBA. The transfer portal will probably average over 1000 players each year with the new one time waiver. That averages out to about 3 players. it's not a MU or Shaka problem but across the sport. It will be nearly impossible to have a senior laden team unless the bulk of seniors are transfers in.

I know a football player who spent a year at a fancy prep school playing center.  Then a year in a fancy Div. 3 football program, playing center.  Then transfered to a Div.. I program.  Some kids develop after their senior year of high school.  There are many ways to get ahead and today everything is really the so-called gig economy.

[keefe]

None of us knows what happened behind closed doors in the McGuire Center and in Austin.

We shouldn't act like we do.


The bitching needs to stop.

What? And ruin Scoop?

Hubris and outrage is what makes Scoop what it is! How dare you!

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

The problem with that thinking it is not based in the new reality. One and done no longer means leaving for the NBA. The transfer portal will probably average over 1000 players each year with the new one time waiver. That averages out to about 3 players. it's not a MU or Shaka problem but across the sport. It will be nearly impossible to have a senior laden team unless the bulk of seniors are transfers in.

I mean.....it's not difficult to add a senior or two from the transfer portal.  Transfer portal is now another tool to augment a team and get rid of perceived talent that never pans out.  I think if anything, the transfer rules affect mid majors more as the bigger programs are more apt to steal their players.  Meanwhile, the overrated talent in the Power 5 goes to mid majors for more playing time.  What makes it even more interesting and more intimidating to mid major programs is the ability of Power 5 conferences to pay players.  Power 5 will be able to pluck whoever they want and offer a stream of income. 

[Goose]

I was just thinking about the title of this thread and wish we had been taken to the cleaners about four years ago.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I was just thinking about the title of this thread and wish we had been taken to the cleaners about four years ago.

*Nate Oats has entered the chat*

[MU82]

I mean.....it's not difficult to add a senior or two from the transfer portal.  Transfer portal is now another tool to augment a team and get rid of perceived talent that never pans out.  I think if anything, the transfer rules affect mid majors more as the bigger programs are more apt to steal their players.  Meanwhile, the overrated talent in the Power 5 goes to mid majors for more playing time.  What makes it even more interesting and more intimidating to mid major programs is the ability of Power 5 conferences to pay players.  Power 5 will be able to pluck whoever they want and offer a stream of income.

IMHO this actually will help mid-majors, as a steady stream of decent but not quite good enough players go from 8th-11th men on majors to starters in mid-majors. Think of Sandy Cohen or Traci Carter types.

A lot more of those than of mid-major superstars ready to play big roles on majors.

[keefe]

*Nate Oats has entered the chat*

Exactly. Woulda, Could, Shoulda

As The Chairman of the Board once observed, "Regrets, I've had a few..."

[Big Papi]

IMHO this actually will help mid-majors, as a steady stream of decent but not quite good enough players go from 8th-11th men on majors to starters in mid-majors. Think of Sandy Cohen or Traci Carter types.

A lot more of those than of mid-major superstars ready to play big roles on majors.

From a playing time perspective this helps everyone.  There will be an advantage for those coaches that can identify the right recruits and limit turnover.  Less ins and outs should lead to more cohesion and team success.

[The Sultan]

Exactly. Woulda, Could, Shoulda

As The Chairman of the Board once observed, "Regrets, I've had a few..."

Right. A year ago people were questioning whether or not Bama and Oats were right for one another.

[Hards Alumni]

I am about as liberal as they come. And I DO NOT like the Shaka hire, but I could not disagree with you more. This is not a "woke" hire. This is who Scholl wanted - as much as I disagree with it.

I too think that MU should not hire a guy who spurned us 7 years ago, who has done nothing at Texas to warrant us hiring him, and who is looking for a new gig because he was not successful at his previous one.

Scholl saw something he likes about Shaka and didn't want to wait. It's that simple. Nothing "woke" about it.

You can stop this 'spurned' talk.  You sound like a jilted lover.  Get over it.  We were a dumpster fire of a program when Buzz walked out the door.  We had no AD, our coach ran from us (while not 100% true, this is the national perception) to a worse job... who can blame the guy for being cautious?