NO THANKS to Scholl and Lovell... We were taken to the cleaners....

[duanewade]

The MU brass just got taken to the cleaners by Wojo, Shaka and Texas... of course this is par for the course under the Lovell era where big money has been wasted and squandered countless times. 

When you have a turkey coach with a big severance attached to his contract and you just had a season of no ticket revenues you reason with him and tell him let's create a win-win situation.  You tell him we both need a change of scenery and it's time we part ways.  However you don't want the "fired" stigma attached to your name and we don't want to have to pay you a lot more money not to be here anymore when we've already paid you a king's ransom the last seven years.  Now please respond to those annual March coaching feelers from other programs and pick one to leave for this time. 

You DON'T tell them to fire some assistants or "ELSE" when you know 1) that changing the assistants won't make any difference when the coach is a proven dud and 2) when the coach has the leverage of a big payout the university will have to pay him if he's defiant.

Well according to the SI article below the Texas brass apparently read The Art of the Deal as they were able to move Shaka out without having to absorb a big buyout and now get to use that money on other things which includes enticing a new coach they prefer. 

https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/source-texas-longhorns-invited-coach-shaka-smart-to-leave-for-marquette

So Wojo, Shaka and Texas all played their cards right while Marquette came out as bumbling fools. 

Shaka might be the right person and I am willing to see how he does.  However eating a big buyout on one coach and then rushing to hire another program's future buyout just wreaks of incompetence.  Worse yet this is a coach that apparently left us at the alter seven years ago so why so much love for him?

Had they saved the big severance and waited for Porter Moser's season to play out and then still felt Shaka was the best fit and/or Porter said no, then so be it.  However it's clear we could very well have had Shaka a week or two weeks from now as well.  So what happens now if Porter Moser goes on to another Final 4 or even wins the national title and then leaves for the Indiana job.  We'll look even more stupid that we blew any chance at getting arguably the best college basketball coach in the country today over a guy with a lot of question marks.     

[burger]

I am about 99 percent sure he is not going to go to Indiana......

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Holy unnatural carnal knowledge you must be a miserable human being

[JakeBarnes]

It's like clockwork.

[tower912]

Any hire is a crap shoot.   He sees the potential downsides and isn't sold.   He may get to talk smack to all of us in 5 years.

But the die is cast.   Not much scoopers can do at this point.

[Avenue Commons]

That story makes no sense.....Shake could have taken the buyout AND still taken the Marquette deal.

Am I missing anything?

[CAGASS24]

Go back to Facebook news moron

[Shark]

Stfu

[goldeneagle91114]

You really have no idea how this played out, do you? Haha! If you did, you'd be grateful. You also must be a casual basketball observer who doesn't care about advanced metrics.

Do yourself, and the rest of us on this board, a favor and go read this article. Then come back and apologize.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-case-for-shaka-smart.html?m=1

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

The MU brass just got taken to the cleaners by Wojo, Shaka and Texas... of course this is par for the course under the Lovell era where big money has been wasted and squandered countless times. 

When you have a turkey coach with a big severance attached to his contract and you just had a season of no ticket revenues you reason with him and tell him let's create a win-win situation.  You tell him we both need a change of scenery and it's time we part ways.  However you don't want the "fired" stigma attached to your name and we don't want to have pay you a lot more money not be here anymore when we've already paid you a king's ransom the last seven years.  Now please respond to those annual March coaching feelers from other programs and pick one to leave for this time. 

You DON'T tell them to fire some assistants or "ELSE" when you know 1) that changing the assistants won't make any difference when the coach is a proven dud and 2) when the coach has the leverage of a big payout the university will have to pay him if he's defiant.

Well according to the SI article below the Texas brass apparently read The Art of the Deal as they were able to move Shaka out without having to absorb a big buyout and now get to use that money on other things which includes enticing a new coach they prefer. 

https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/source-texas-longhorns-invited-coach-shaka-smart-to-leave-for-marquette

So Wojo, Shaka and Texas all played their cards right while Marquette came out as bumbling fools. 

Shaka might be the right person and am willing to see how he does.  However eating a big buyout on one coach and then rushing to hire another program's future buyout just wreaks of incompetence.  Worse yet this a coach that apparently left us at the alter seven years ago so why so much love for him?

Had they saved the big severance and waited for Porter Moser's season to play out and then still felt Shaka was the best fit and/or Porter said no, then so be it.  However it's clear we could very well have had Shaka a week or two weeks from now as well.  So what happens now if Porter Moser goes on to another Final 4 or even wins the national title and then leaves for the Indiana job.  We'll look even more stupid that we blew any chance at getting arguably the best college basketball coach in the country today over a guy with a lot of question marks. 

You are correct sir.  MU, like the slurpers themselves, gave Wojo everything for having done nothing. 

Porter's system takes 4 years to implement as it's dependent on seniors.  Are you comfortable waiting those 4 years?  In the meantime, how many players transfer in and out?  What if Porter can't recruit 4* here?  Are you comfy playing system ball that doesn't attract great players? 

There's a lot of questions with Porter.......

[Hards Alumni]

Is it wrong to tell someone to go play in traffic?

[CAGASS24]

MU just hired a young head coach with power 6 success and a final four on his resume - and people want to sh*t on it - absurd

[mschoobs]

I never post but this had to be responded to.

So Texas is a genius for paying Beard's buyout.  Marquette is dumb for paying Wojo's?


Each school will be paying a buyout, I don't see how this is genius.  If Texas had someone waiting in the wings and didnt have to pay buyout I would agree but that is not at all the story they are spinning here.  They both get what they want and pay for it.

[jfp61]

Texas wasn't "spared" the buyout. It was likely split with MU. MU Spent at the the upmost 8 to 9 million dollars to make the transition/ (buyout wojo/split the fee with UT). And the majority of that was done with one donation.


Chris Beards buyout drops to 4 million in April. I expect UT to spend it.

[naginiF]

Texas wasn't "spared" the buyout. It was likely split with MU. MU Spent at the the upmost 8 to 9 million dollars to make the transition/ (buyout wojo/split the fee with UT). And the majority of that was done with one donation.


Chris Beards buyout drops to 4 million in April. I expect UT to spend it.

I'm not following the math. Wojo was due ~$9M on his contract which MU would have paid. A split fee with UT would bring MU's total to ~&13M.

We didn't pay ~$13M to go from Wojo to Shaka

[connie]

That story makes no sense.....Shake could have taken the buyout AND still taken the Marquette deal.

Am I missing anything?

No.  You are not missing a thing.  Essentially duane thinks the stigma of getting fired, even with another program ready to hire you, is worth giving away millions.

[JWags85]

So what happens now if Porter Moser goes on to another Final 4 or even wins the national title and then leaves for the Indiana job.  We'll look even more stupid that we blew any chance at getting arguably the best college basketball coach in the country today over a guy with a lot of question marks. 

That's certainly...an argument

[NolongerWarriors]

You really have no idea how this played out, do you? Haha! If you did, you'd be grateful. You also must be a casual basketball observer who doesn't care about advanced metrics.

Do yourself, and the rest of us on this board, a favor and go read this article. Then come back and apologize.

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-case-for-shaka-smart.html?m=1

Hardly any space given to Shaka's prized recruits at Texas  flaming out again and again and again in the NCAAs. Just brushed off with a ridiculous "tough luck" excuse and no stats showing who his teams lost to or what their respective seeds were, etc.

[muwarrior69]

The MU brass just got taken to the cleaners by Wojo, Shaka and Texas... of course this is par for the course under the Lovell era where big money has been wasted and squandered countless times. 

When you have a turkey coach with a big severance attached to his contract and you just had a season of no ticket revenues you reason with him and tell him let's create a win-win situation.  You tell him we both need a change of scenery and it's time we part ways.  However you don't want the "fired" stigma attached to your name and we don't want to have to pay you a lot more money not be here anymore when we've already paid you a king's ransom the last seven years.  Now please respond to those annual March coaching feelers from other programs and pick one to leave for this time. 

You DON'T tell them to fire some assistants or "ELSE" when you know 1) that changing the assistants won't make any difference when the coach is a proven dud and 2) when the coach has the leverage of a big payout the university will have to pay him if he's defiant.

Well according to the SI article below the Texas brass apparently read The Art of the Deal as they were able to move Shaka out without having to absorb a big buyout and now get to use that money on other things which includes enticing a new coach they prefer. 

https://www.si.com/college/texas/news/source-texas-longhorns-invited-coach-shaka-smart-to-leave-for-marquette

So Wojo, Shaka and Texas all played their cards right while Marquette came out as bumbling fools. 

Shaka might be the right person and am willing to see how he does.  However eating a big buyout on one coach and then rushing to hire another program's future buyout just wreaks of incompetence.  Worse yet this a coach that apparently left us at the alter seven years ago so why so much love for him?

Had they saved the big severance and waited for Porter Moser's season to play out and then still felt Shaka was the best fit and/or Porter said no, then so be it.  However it's clear we could very well have had Shaka a week or two weeks from now as well.  So what happens now if Porter Moser goes on to another Final 4 or even wins the national title and then leaves for the Indiana job.  We'll look even more stupid that we blew any chance at getting arguably the best college basketball coach in the country today over a guy with a lot of question marks. 

Hmm.... when we gave Buzz the boot that didn't work out so bad for Virginia Tech. Karma works in strange ways.

[Judge Smails]

You lost me when you referenced The Art of the Deal.

[GooooMarquette]

Well according to the SI article below the Texas brass apparently read The Art of the Deal as they were able to move Shaka out without having to absorb a big buyout and now get to use that money on other things which includes enticing a new coach they prefer. 

So UT is filing for bankruptcy?

[Uncle Rico]

This is peak scoop

[Dr. Blackheart]

This is peak scoop

I call it Naperville Scoop

[JakeBarnes]

I call it Naperville Scoop

I like it.

[BallBoy]

I'm not following the math. Wojo was due ~$9M on his contract which MU would have paid. A split fee with UT would bring MU's total to ~&13M.

We didn't pay ~$13M to go from Wojo to Shaka

Usually a buyout doesn't require you to pay the full remainder of the agreement. Usually it is some lower version of that. In all of the articles, it is stated no one really knows the buyout but it could be $6m.

If Texas invited Shaka to take the job the probably waved the buyout or straightest let me out of the agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if MU got out for <$5M total.