Porter Moser should be the guy

[Blackhat]

For a small school guy it's important to see how their coaching/recruits match up against the best competition.  I think tourney results are fairly important on a small school coach's resume. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

I am just glad we have good choices this time around.

[Litehouse]

I am just glad we have good choices this time around.

Agreed.  I'd take any of 2021 Gates, Moser, Smith, or Kelsey over 2014 Wojo, Cuonzo or Howland.

[dgies9156]

Marquette could build a helipad on top of the AL and lease a helicopter as part of the package if he did not want to move.

That's what the Orlando Magic did for the DeVos family, who lives in Windsor, about 10 miles north of Vero Beach, FL and about 80 air miles southeast of the Amway Arena.

[Pakuni]

Agreed.  I'd take any of 2021 Gates, Moser, Smith, or Kelsey over 2014 Wojo, Cuonzo or Howland.

Easy to say now, but in 2014 Howland was just six years away from his third consecutive Final Four, Martin was coming off a 24-win, Sweet 16 season in the SEC, and Wojo was one of the top assistants in the country. And then there was Shaka, coming off four straight tournament appearances, including a Final Four.
In hindsight, blah. But back then, it was fine.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Easy to say now, but in 2014 Howland was just six years away from his third consecutive Final Four, Martin was coming off a 24-win, Sweet 16 season in the SEC, and Wojo was one of the top assistants in the country. And then there was Shaka, coming off four straight tournament appearances, including a Final Four.
In hindsight, blah. But back then, it was fine.

Howland had the SI expose article on the UCLA program troubles. Martin was getting run out from UT. Shaka had some dirt on him (his assistant was Will Wade).

Martin was the best of the three (who I wanted) but apparently PPT mastery was his downfall.

[WarriorPride68]

Easy to say now, but in 2014 Howland was just six years away from his third consecutive Final Four, Martin was coming off a 24-win, Sweet 16 season in the SEC, and Wojo was one of the top assistants in the country. And then there was Shaka, coming off four straight tournament appearances, including a Final Four.
In hindsight, blah. But back then, it was fine.

**2021, Brian Wardle off an 11-15 season at Bradley

[MU82]

I thought the Loyola/Illinois game was as entertaining as any I've seen in the tournament.

I was thinking the exact same thing, Lenny. I've seen Loyola play 3 full games this season. 2 were reasonably entertaining and the third, the Illinois game, was very much so.

[MU82]

Short answer. Why would you look at 2% of the available data and ignore the other 98%?

March success is a data point in a sea of data points. It should be considered but fans have the tendency to only look at March success. Brew's rule is a good one, if they wouldn't be your coach on March 1, they shouldn't be your coach on April 1.

People only knew who Shaka was because of March success at VCU.

In his first 5 years at Texas, he had one winning conference season - his first, with Barnes' players. In his second, he was 11-22 overall. He finally had a winning conference season this year, his 6th, when he finished in 3rd place.

Yes, he then won the B12 tournament -- which, of course, was in March, so I guess it shouldn't matter as much? He followed that up by watching his team get completely outplayed by an untalented Southland Conference squad; but that was in March, so I guess who cares? Except for Scholl specifically said that March success matters, and it obviously matters to fans. So we should point to Shaka's March 2011 success to cover that and not all the March losing the last 8 years?

With Shaka, it's confusing trying to figure out which data points to look at, TAMU!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Generally agree, but there is a middle ground between 'he is your guy' and 'he isn't your guy': A coach who is on your short list on March 1 might (reasonably) move up a spot or two in your hierarchy by April 1.

Say he was a very close #3 on March 1, then makes a FF run. I don't think it's unreasonable to take that run into account and move him up to #1 or #2.

Oh absolutely. Moser is a great example. He was in my "other coaches considered" prior to his current tournament run. Now he's in my 5 or 6 guys I'd bring into an interview. He's towards the back of it but I think he's earned his way into the conversation. It's not that tournament success shouldn't be considered, it just shouldn't be overvalued when making the decision.

[muwarrior69]

Oh absolutely. Moser is a great example. He was in my "other coaches considered" prior to his current tournament run. Now he's in my 5 or 6 guys I'd bring into an interview. He's towards the back of it but I think he's earned his way into the conversation. It's not that tournament success shouldn't be considered, it just shouldn't be overvalued when making the decision.

Sorry with all the threads, was Gates higher or lower than Moser on your list and why? I ask because it seem from all the talk here he is our next coach.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sorry with all the threads, was Gates higher or lower than Moser on your list and why? I ask because it seem from all the talk here he is our next coach.

I had Gates higher but in all honesty, it was a gut feeling pick. There just isn't enough data on him to feel good one way or the other. I love his recruiting at FSU, I love that he took a win now approach at Cleveland State and pulled it off, and I love his connection to Marquette and Chicago. Could be that he's a flash in the pan who will flame out terribly at a higher level but I think the early returns are good.

Moser has earned his way into an interview for sure but my concern with him is inconsistency. 5 seasons significantly overperforming KenPom expectations at Loyola, 4 seasons significantly underperforming KenPom expectations at Loyola, one season playing to expectations (but expectations were artificially lowered due to underperforming the season before). That sort of inconsistency doesn't jive with me but there's no question that's he's built Loyola's program significantly.

At this point, I'd interview Smith, Gates, Moser, and Smart and pick the one who I felt was the best fit for our program.

[muwarrior69]

I had Gates higher but in all honesty, it was a gut feeling pick. There just isn't enough data on him to feel good one way or the other. I love his recruiting at FSU, I love that he took a win now approach at Cleveland State and pulled it off, and I love his connection to Marquette and Chicago. Could be that he's a flash in the pan who will flame out terribly at a higher level but I think the early returns are good.

Moser has earned his way into an interview for sure but my concern with him is inconsistency. 5 seasons significantly overperforming KenPom expectations at Loyola, 4 seasons significantly underperforming KenPom expectations at Loyola, one season playing to expectations (but expectations were artificially lowered due to underperforming the season before). That sort of inconsistency doesn't jive with me but there's no question that's he's built Loyola's program significantly.

At this point, I'd interview Smith, Gates, Moser, and Smart and pick the one who I felt was the best fit for our program.

Al was 109/63 at Belmont Abbey. Looks good on paper but his record got worse each succeeding year ending with 2 losing seasons. I wonder what the MU administration was thinking when they hired AL and of course no Scoop to go ballistic: Al who? Like stocks or ETFs past performance does not guarantee success. Regardless the program could not continue the way it has.

[Scoop Snoop]

On a lighter side:

Several Scoopers have very kindly paved the way for Moser coming to Marquette, including listing travel distances between Wilmette and Milwaukee (well, it took a couple of tries to get the miles right), variations on the travel time depending upon traffic and other variables, a suggestion of a buying a condo in the burbs of Milwaukee, and a proposed helicopter pad on the roof of the Al plus a leased chopper.

We even took his daughter's transfer to Marquette into consideration, suggesting that Duffey should find a spot for her on the team (quickly countered that this would not be fair to other recruits) and then realized that she would have free tuition with her father as a Marquette employee. I missed my chance on posting my suggestion regarding the bball issue. I was going to post that Marquette should do the same thing as was done to her father- offer her a scholarship and quickly withdraw it. Anyway, she's transferring to Marquette if her father takes the job. She just doesn't know it yet. Staying at Loyola is not an option.   

[Dr. Blackheart]

On a lighter side:

Several Scoopers have very kindly paved the way for Moser coming to Marquette, including listing travel distances between Wilmette and Milwaukee (well, it took a couple of tries to get the miles right), variations on the travel time depending upon traffic and other variables, a suggestion of a buying a condo in the burbs of Milwaukee, and a proposed helicopter pad on the roof of the Al plus a leased chopper.

We even took his daughter's transfer to Marquette into consideration, suggesting that Duffey should find a spot for her on the team (quickly countered that this would not be fair to other recruits) and then realized that she would have free tuition with her father as a Marquette employee. I missed my chance on posting my suggestion regarding the bball issue. I was going to post that Marquette should do the same thing as was done to her father- offer her a scholarship and quickly withdraw it. Anyway, she's transferring to Marquette if her father takes the job. She just doesn't know it yet. Staying at Loyola is not an option.   

You missed the telePORTER that Dick Strong is building.

[Pakuni]

On a lighter side:

Several Scoopers have very kindly paved the way for Moser coming to Marquette, including listing travel distances between Wilmette and Milwaukee (well, it took a couple of tries to get the miles right), variations on the travel time depending upon traffic and other variables, a suggestion of a buying a condo in the burbs of Milwaukee, and a proposed helicopter pad on the roof of the Al plus a leased chopper.

We even took his daughter's transfer to Marquette into consideration, suggesting that Duffey should find a spot for her on the team (quickly countered that this would not be fair to other recruits) and then realized that she would have free tuition with her father as a Marquette employee. I missed my chance on posting my suggestion regarding the bball issue. I was going to post that Marquette should do the same thing as was done to her father- offer her a scholarship and quickly withdraw it. Anyway, she's transferring to Marquette if her father takes the job. She just doesn't know it yet. Staying at Loyola is not an option.   

Couldn't we just solve the travel issue with a hyperloop? 
Six minutes, give or take, from Wilmette to campus.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I am concerned about Mrs. Gates at BC...we need a Scoop solve.

[The Lens]

There are some posters I really truly respect on here, but man I wish Rick was alive to read these takes on Porter.  He'd sign up under the name JingsBestDiner and absolutely shred these takes, respectfully.

[Goose]

Lens

No doubt Rick would be in Poser camp and be claiming Jings in the best. That said, Rick had about 250 Jings. I love Poser big time, not just sold on him quite yet. My last conversation with Rick was on a pier on Pine Lake and he hated, hated recruiting. That is my only reservation.

By the way, I never shared his love of Jings. Plenty of other options shared with Rick trumped that pick. Might have been a sentimental spot for the big guy.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Talking about Porter Moser on ESPNU  Radio now. Mostly seemed to talk about Marquette, DePaul and Loyola.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Talking about Porter Moser on ESPNU  Radio now. Mostly seemed to talk about Marquette, DePaul and Loyola.

Sirius XM channel 84?

[Jockey]

I had Gates higher but in all honesty, it was a gut feeling pick. There just isn't enough data on him to feel good one way or the other. I love his recruiting at FSU, I love that he took a win now approach at Cleveland State and pulled it off, and I love his connection to Marquette and Chicago. Could be that he's a flash in the pan who will flame out terribly at a higher level but I think the early returns are good.

Moser has earned his way into an interview for sure but my concern with him is inconsistency. 5 seasons significantly overperforming KenPom expectations at Loyola, 4 seasons significantly underperforming KenPom expectations at Loyola, one season playing to expectations (but expectations were artificially lowered due to underperforming the season before). That sort of inconsistency doesn't jive with me but there's no question that's he's built Loyola's program significantly.

At this point, I'd interview Smith, Gates, Moser, and Smart and pick the one who I felt was the best fit for our program.

I would rate Smith, Moser, Gates - in that order. No interest in Shaka at all.

[Viper]

I would rate Smith, Moser, Gates - in that order. No interest in Shaka at all.

I'm down with Smith & Gates. Porterhouse? Just not there yet.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Lens

No doubt Rick would be in Poser camp and be claiming Jings in the best. That said, Rick had about 250 Jings. I love Poser big time, not just sold on him quite yet. My last conversation with Rick was on a pier on Pine Lake and he hated, hated recruiting. That is my only reservation.

By the way, I never shared his love of Jings. Plenty of other options shared with Rick trumped that pick. Might have been a sentimental spot for the big guy.

Any Bingo's Bar mentions!

[Goose]

Dr.
Plenty of memories prior to Bingo's. Couple of legends, quite honestly, a lot of nonsense learned at young age by this MU fan and still deeply part of what I became as an old MU fan.