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Started by Pakuni, March 19, 2021, 12:42:29 PM

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dw3dw3dw3

I like watching Moser. Good energy (he's got the Crean clap for the nostalgic factor). Tons of great offensive sets already and defense has been solid .

Aughnanure

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 21, 2021, 11:40:15 AM
I don't think so, he's stunk out loud at Georgia.  If he had them playing well then maybe he'd be a candidate elsewhere.  I doubt anyone in Georgia would mind if he left.

He's been there 3 years and they've improved every year. Was a program not in great shape when he took over.

He's not killing it there, but he isn't failing either...at least yet.
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MU82

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 21, 2021, 11:41:39 AM
The only reason I would root for Crean to get the job is it would make this place the very best possible version of itself.

This made me giggle as I nodded my head in agreement.
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SaveOD238

Quote from: Aughnanure on March 21, 2021, 11:46:05 AM
He's been there 3 years and they've improved every year. Was a program not in great shape when he took over.

He's not killing it there, but he isn't failing either...at least yet.

Also recruited the future #1 overall pick in Anthony Edwards

MarquetteMike1977

Quote from: Big Papi on March 20, 2021, 12:05:59 PM
1. Beilein
2. Moser
3. Grant
4. Smith
5. Gates

The its definitely not happening list if we are delusional and dreaming

1. Wright
2. Stevens
3. Pitino
4. Doc
5. Oats
6. Shaka

1.Beilein
2.Moser if we can get him or afford him
3.Gates
4.Smith
5. DeVries
This Game just flipped Gates and Moser for me.

BM1090

For the reasons Brew laid out earlier, I think Shaka would be a good hire. He recruits well. They play a fun style. He has been a good defensive coach. He's had some bad luck.

forgetful

#506
I've said before that I don't envy the person making the decision here. Not an easy one. But here is how I would play this one out.

Right now, wait for Moser.

If Moser wants the job, it's his. Proven he is a great coach. I'm less worried about the recruiting angle. To some extent "recruiting" gets some coaches in trouble, where they start to focus on rankings/talent, and less on the right players for your system, and the right attitude with respect to program buy-in. Wright has succeeded so much be cause he gets both, talent and buy-in. But unless you are Kentucky/Duke, you want buy-in with a sprinkle of high-level talent. I think Moser understands that.

While waiting on Moser. Start kicking the tires with Shaka, see what happens there, and keep Gates on line 1. If Gates gets snatched up so be it.

If Shaka becomes available, take him, if not offer the job to Gates.

There are a couple reasonable emergency candidates if this all falls through. They should be in regular contact with them, while you let the whole thing play out.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 09:24:08 AM
The more I think about Beilein, the less I think he's the guy. I just think that thugs business with the Cavs is really going to hamper him on the recruiting trail

I think the fact that he wants to bring his son along wherever he goes as a reclamation project is probably the biggest hurdle. He might have to go the Pitino/Iona route to get that done.

StillAWarrior

I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?
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JWags85

Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 01:50:06 PM
I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?

UNLV on line 1

GooooMarquette

Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 01:50:06 PM
I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?


Don't mess with heaven, hey?

5DollarPitcher

#511
NM

MarquetteMike1977

Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 21, 2021, 01:50:06 PM
I saw that Pitino said he's in heaven at Iona. I guess that means he'll be accepting a new position in...what...2-3 weeks?

Agree that is what what I was thinking too when Pitino said that.

Tha Hound

#513
Dear god please not Crean. Genuinely cannot imagine how anyone who considers themself a fan of this team would actually want him back, knowing our history and the importance of this next hire for our program

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: Tha Hound on March 21, 2021, 05:10:45 PM
Dear god please not Crean. Genuinely cannot imagine anyone who considers themself a fan of this team would actually want him back, knowing the history and the importance of this next hire for our program

Co-sign

Viper

It seems the vast majority prefer MU to approach a current HC of a mid-major program...Moser, Gates...rather than approach a current HC of a high level D-I program? Phone calls are free, but calling a Beard, Bennett, Drew, is unrealistic to think they'd want to talk?

brewcity77

Quote from: Tha Hound on March 21, 2021, 05:10:45 PM
Dear god please not Crean. Genuinely cannot imagine anyone who considers themself a fan of this team would actually want him back, knowing the history and the importance of this next hire for our program

I think he'd be an upgrade over what we had, but not over what we could have.
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Tha Hound

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 05:13:04 PM
I think he'd be an upgrade over what we had, but not over what we could have.

Agreed. Would I rather have Crean than wojo? Of course, I'd rather have almost any D1 coach than wojo. But there's absolutely no reason we should be stuck to someone like Crean just cause he's a former coach 

genious expert

Quote from: BM1090 on March 21, 2021, 01:17:11 PM
For the reasons Brew laid out earlier, I think Shaka would be a good hire. He recruits well. They play a fun style. He has been a good defensive coach. He's had some bad luck.

Maybe if you are talking about his time at VCU. At Texas it's been very different

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole

Quote from: Marq3332 on March 21, 2021, 05:12:52 PM
It seems the vast majority prefer MU to approach a current HC of a mid-major program...Moser, Gates...rather than approach a current HC of a high level D-I program? Phone calls are free, but calling a Beard, Bennett, Drew, is unrealistic to think they'd want to talk?

Yes.
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GooooMarquette

Quote from: genious expert on March 21, 2021, 05:17:26 PM
Maybe if you are talking about his time at VCU. At Texas it's been very different


Agreed. Everyone who supports Shaka seems to think we could make him switch back to his VCU style, but I am not sure that would happen. His Texas teams were always talented but looked pretty disorganized. When they won, it was often because they simply had superior talent.

If we could get an ironclad guarantee that he would return to his stylistic routes, I would be more open to him.

brewcity77

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 21, 2021, 05:17:52 PM
Yes.

Probably depends on what you want to talk about. Whataburger, the Green Bay Packers, video games? Possibly. Our head coaching job? Not so much.
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BM1090

Quote from: genious expert on March 21, 2021, 05:17:26 PM
Maybe if you are talking about his time at VCU. At Texas it's been very different

How so? When I watched Texas they played fast, got out in transition, shot a ton of 3s, and were very good on defense. The numbers back all of that up.

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Pakuni

#524
Quote from: BM1090 on March 21, 2021, 05:45:20 PM
How so? When I watched Texas they played fast, got out in transition, shot a ton of 3s, and were very good on defense. The numbers back all of that up.

The numbers don't, though.
It's not a perfect measure of pace, but Texas' possessions per game ranking the last five years:
2021 - 147th
2020 -321st
2019 - 293rd
2018 - 213th
2017 - 252nd