Would SLU bring anything to the BE?

[GoldenWarrior11]

Unless a new school brings in more resources than it would cost to split the pie another way, the BE isn't going to be interested in expansion.

The BE contract with Fox is up after the 2024-25 season.  My guess is that they will have all sorts of dialogue with Fox, ESPN, etc. about dollars, payouts, etc. and any value to be gained through expansion.

I would be very surprised if they conclude expansion is a good idea at that time.  Frankly I think the BE might be in for a cut.  We will see.

The only way the Big East gets a cut in pay is 1) Fox doesn't have the money to pay market value for BE content and 2) no competitor has a desire to bid for said BE content.

Frankly, I think we will get a raise because it is widely known that ESPN has seller's remorse.  I think we will see them make an effort to get our rights back, which, IMO, would hate to see. Fox has treated us very well and would not want to be second fiddle to the ACC again (or be relegated to ESPN+).

[GooooMarquette]

The current Fox contract calls for any addition up to 12 a full member share, so it doesn't add or take away from the payouts.

Yes, but as Fluffy mentioned, the contract only has 4 more years, so they could still end up being a long-term negative if the numbers don’t independently support their addition.

[bilsu]

I don’t recall that many great games vs SLU. A few in the ‘80’s maybe? When the revamped BE took off, i did think SLU, based on market, made more sense than Creighton. But, CU has been a very good program. If there’s sincere interest in a Midwest add, probably Loyola more-so than SLU considering Loyola’s recent FF and Chicago market.

They were the only team to hold Wade under 10 points and they did it twice.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Yes, but as Fluffy mentioned, the contract only has 4 more years, so they could still end up being a long-term negative if the numbers don’t independently support their addition.

Considering the Big East is one of the best content ratings suppliers for FS1, I’m really not worried.

[DFW HOYA]

St. Louis? No. Adds nothing in terms of viewers for Fox.

The 12th team is.... Notre Dame (there, I said it...) 

[Billy Hoyle]

They were the only team to hold Wade under 10 points and they did it twice.

And lost both games.

[shoothoops]

They were the only team to hold Wade under 10 points and they did it twice.

Josh Fisher.

[shoothoops]

i remember Larry Hughes. Seems like he went off on MU a couple times, but just don’t recall many great games vs them over that span. I wonder what SLU’s hoops budget is? What holds them back from being better year-in year-out?

Hughes put up 40 on Mike Bargen at the BC.

SLU defeated Marquette 13 times in the 1990's. (Rich Grawer and Charlie Spoonhour)

[dgies9156]

I would guess that SLU is in the Big East by 2030 (along with Dayton and any number of programs that inevitably drop FBS football, i.e. Vanderbilt)

The only way Vanderbilt leaves the SEC is if Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn and Tennessee force them out. There is too much money to leave voluntarily.

Plus, Vanderbilts basketball has been historically passable and it’s baseball is a premier program. No way Vandy leaves.

[shoothoops]

The only way Vanderbilt leaves the SEC is if Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn and Tennessee force them out. There is too much money to leave voluntarily.

Plus, Vanderbilts basketball has been historically passable and it’s baseball is a premier program. No way Vandy leaves.

Nope, Vandy isn't leaving the SEC, And, they aren't dropping football.
Big money there. Each school pay out was $45.5 Million last year. Vandy is also adding several hundred million dollars in athletic infrastructure improvements, much of iit in football.

Clark Lea has put together a good staff, and, it's his long term dream job to win there. He needs to keep up with the many current highly ranked sports programs programs there.

[Mike Deane's Seat Belt]

Why not. With Mzu and DePaul in BEast, another mid major like SLU would complement them.

Marquette is not far from being a slu.  Give it a few more seasons like this year and we will be right there with depaul loyola and slu.   Perhaps they can just create a fully catholic conference. 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

St. Louis? No. Adds nothing in terms of viewers for Fox.

The 12th team is.... Notre Dame (there, I said it...) 

I think we all would like this.

Is there any realistic chance ND would even remotely consider this?

[shoothoops]

I think we all would like this.

Is there any realistic chance ND would even remotely consider this?

ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips, who has worked at Notre Dame, and, has two kids attending there now, said this week the only league Notre Dame is ever joining is the ACC.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips, who has worked at Notre Dame, and, has two kids attending there now, said this week the only league Notre Dame is ever joining is the ACC.

What I figured.

[MU82]

Marquette is not far from being a slu.

Not a chance after we dump Wojo and hire Pitino.

[harryp]

Wouldn't that give us 4 Jesuit and 10 Catholic schools?

[Billy Hoyle]

Wouldn't that give us 4 Jesuit and 10 Catholic schools?

MU, CU, Gtown, X, SLU

Villanova - Augustinian
STJ and DePaul - Vincentian
Providence - Dominican
Seton Hall - Catholic (no specific order. Founded by the Diocese of Newark)


Butler -

[CTWarrior]

MU, CU, Gtown, X, SLU

Villanova - Augustinian
STJ and DePaul - Vincentian
Providence - Dominican
Seton Hall - Catholic (no specific order. Founded by the Diocese of Newark)


Butler - Jeevesian

[BrewCity83]

DePaul likely would block Loyola of Chicago's entry into the Big East.

SLU, forget it. Market isn't significant enough and team isn't good enough. However, if they did join, could see the Big East breaking into divisions as follows:

MU
Creighton
DePaul
Xavier
SLU
Butler

UConn
Georgetown
Villanova
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall

Would have really nice balance.

Ugh.

Big East - Original Members
Big East - The Kids' Table

No thanks.

[JimsTimeOutFan]

I think SLU would be a great addition to the Big east. was not aware this was a possibility...A similar sized school Jesuit school as MU.  Saint Louis is a fun city with the arch, the hill, and as a Creighton fan who grew up going to "Arch Madness" at the Scott trade center i would like to get back to the LOU for a road game here and there.  Plus the team has had some good success over the years and would be a welcome addition. I think the student body is similar to Marquette.

[GoldenWarrior11]

We are aware that college basketball conferences do not do divisions anymore, correct?  That is a football thing, not Olympic sports. 

SLU or no SLU, we aren't going to an East/West, Legends/Leaders or Old/New setup now or ever.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We are aware that college basketball conferences do not do divisions anymore, correct?  That is a football thing, not Olympic sports. 

SLU or no SLU, we aren't going to an East/West, Legends/Leaders or Old/New setup now or ever.

A few mid and low major conferences do divisions.

[willie warrior]

ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips, who has worked at Notre Dame, and, has two kids attending there now, said this week the only league Notre Dame is ever joining is the ACC.

Screw ND

[GoldenWarrior11]

A few mid and low major conferences do divisions.

Noted. Then power, major, high-major conferences, of which the Big East is clearly associated as one those, do not utilize divisions.

Small conferences, based on financial constraints or geographic hurdles, out of necessity, do so.

Fair?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Noted. Then power, major, high-major conferences, of which the Big East is clearly associated as one those, do not utilize divisions.

Small conferences, based on financial constraints or geographic hurdles, out of necessity, do so.

Fair?

Wasn't a criticism. Just adding information.