MU Lax Bros At It Again

[Uncle Rico]

I think there are a large swath of people in this world that are racist, some of which are Scoop posters. I think there are a large swath of people in the world that attempt to marginalize less supported groups of people out of insecure fear and for selfish gain.

There were plenty of these types at Marquette (and other places)

"Just Kidding" "It's just a joke" "People are too sensitive"  And their friends were at best, "Crickets."

I think I agree

[NolongerWarriors]

Right.  And that one of them is about a local university that has been in the news in the past for the same exact topic!

Is it a news story if a couple of UWM Freshman say offensive things on snapchat?

Or is it just being Marquette that makes it worthy of a big article in the paper?

Tarring and feathering these kids for one drunken mistake is horrific and beyond out of proportion.

[Hards Alumni]

Is it a news story if a couple of UWM Freshman say offensive things on snapchat?

Or is it just being Marquette that makes it worthy of a big article in the paper?

Tarring and feathering these kids for one drunken mistake is horrific and beyond out of proportion.

No it isn't.  Stop excusing this type of behavior.  If you say that word when you're drunk, you've for sure said it before.  It isn't funny, it isn't just boys being boys.  It's a hateful word that dehumanizes an entire race.  Stop making excuses.

[tower912]

No white person should ever use that word, full stop.   Drunk or sober.

[Galway Eagle]

Is it a news story if a couple of UWM Freshman say offensive things on snapchat?

Or is it just being Marquette that makes it worthy of a big article in the paper?

Tarring and feathering these kids for one drunken mistake is horrific and beyond out of proportion.

Last time I checked 18 is an adult.

Also, aren't you supposed to be the party of personal responsibility? Well they weren't and now they're being held accountable

[mu_hilltopper]

did she actually say the word?

No.  She explained she was called that in High School because she had big lips.  Which of course caused people's heads to explode.

[JWags85]

No.  She explained she was called that in High School because she had big lips.  Which of course caused people's heads to explode.

It was tone deaf and dumb to say, cause she doesn't need to equivocate her silly HS experiences as a white female to the experiences of black Americans with a hateful slur.  She should be smart enough to know that doesn't need to be said on social media to people who don't know her personally or without additional context. Without a doubt

But snap calling her racist as a result seemed a bit much. Like was it racist to acknowledge that stupid people associated "big lips" with black people? I can't help think her status as a Republican politician likely ignited most of it, given current events.

[Hards Alumni]

It was tone deaf and dumb to say, cause she doesn't need to equivocate her silly HS experiences as a white female to the experiences of black Americans with a hateful slur.  She should be smart enough to know that doesn't need to be said on social media to people who don't know her personally or without additional context. Without a doubt

But snap calling her racist as a result seemed a bit much. Like was it racist to acknowledge that stupid people associated "big lips" with black people? I can't help think her status as a Republican politician likely ignited most of it, given current events.

100%

[JuniorCardigan]

Last time I checked 18 is an adult.

Also, aren't you supposed to be the party of personal responsibility? Well they weren't and now they're being held accountable

I think these students need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[Babybluejeans]

Painful lesson for these two to learn about both racist language and social media.

If you say vile things and post them in a public forum, you invite a public reaction — and that's exactly what they got. It speaks volumes that some peoples' instinct here is to victimize them, even though they're only experiencing the foreseeable consequences of their conduct. Take ownership, apologize, learn why what you did was wrong, and move on (and at another school if necessary).

[NolongerWarriors]

Painful lesson for these two to learn about both racist language and social media.

If you say vile things and post them in a public forum, you invite a public reaction — and that's exactly what they got. It speaks volumes that some peoples' instinct here is to victimize them, even though they're only experiencing the foreseeable consequences of their conduct. Take ownership, apologize, learn why what you did was wrong, and move on (and at another school if necessary).

Nobody's victimizing them.  But the punishment may end being far more severe than the offense.

Public reaction is fine.

MU expelling them would not be.

[Galway Eagle]

Nobody's victimizing them.  But the punishment may end being far more severe than the offense.

Public reaction is fine.

MU expelling them would not be.

Finally something we can agree on. That being said I wouldn't get my undies in a bunch over "may be worse than the crime" wait till it happens and till then focus on the wrong that actually did happen.

[StillAWarrior]

Finally something we can agree on. That being said I wouldn't get my undies in a bunch over "may be worse than the crime" wait till it happens and till then focus on the wrong that actually did happen.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I've told my kids that it's a waste of energy to be preemptively angry about something. No need being mad about something until it happens.

[The Sultan]

Nobody's victimizing them.  But the punishment may end being far more severe than the offense.

Public reaction is fine.

MU expelling them would not be.

I agree with this...depending upon their previous student conduct record.

[jesmu84]

Nobody's victimizing them.  But the punishment may end being far more severe than the offense.

Public reaction is fine.

MU expelling them would not be.

Do you think they deserve to be punished?

Who should be doing the punishing?

What should the punishment be?

[CTWarrior]

I've got a problem with any punishment for the remarks, except for whoever posted the video.  What some drunken idiot says at a party is not newsworthy if you ask me, even if he is a LAX player.  Drunk people says obnoxious stupid things with regularity.  You want to punish him for underage drinking, ok with me, that is breaking a law.  Of course what he said is reprehensible and evidence to some degree that he may not be a good person.  Last I checked, there is no law against being an a-hole, and you are allowed in America to speak your mind, even if you are a moron.   

But what kind of idiot posts that where others can see it unless he/she hates the guy?

I do not understand this generation on any level.

[MU82]

I've got a problem with any punishment for the remarks, except for whoever posted the video.  What some drunken idiot says at a party is not newsworthy if you ask me, even if he is a LAX player.  Drunk people says obnoxious stupid things with regularity.  You want to punish him for underage drinking, ok with me, that is breaking a law.  Of course what he said is reprehensible and evidence to some degree that he may not be a good person.  Last I checked, there is no law against being an a-hole, and you are allowed in America to speak your mind, even if you are a moron.   

But what kind of idiot posts that where others can see it unless he/she hates the guy?

I do not understand this generation on any level.

I'm mostly with you here ... although I do think being a member of a college sports team is a right, and it carries with it certain responsibilities.

While I think I would have tried to figure out a way to keep him on the team, I can understand it if the coach, AD and/or university president wasn't feeling as generous.

But yeah, why post such a thing? Can't argue about that.

[jesmu84]

I've got a problem with any punishment for the remarks, except for whoever posted the video.  What some drunken idiot says at a party is not newsworthy if you ask me, even if he is a LAX player.  Drunk people says obnoxious stupid things with regularity.  You want to punish him for underage drinking, ok with me, that is breaking a law.  Of course what he said is reprehensible and evidence to some degree that he may not be a good person.  Last I checked, there is no law against being an a-hole, and you are allowed in America to speak your mind, even if you are a moron.   

But what kind of idiot posts that where others can see it unless he/she hates the guy?

I do not understand this generation on any level.

Law? No.

Student code of conduct? Athlete code of conduct? Maybe

[The Sultan]

I've got a problem with any punishment for the remarks, except for whoever posted the video.  What some drunken idiot says at a party is not newsworthy if you ask me, even if he is a LAX player.  Drunk people says obnoxious stupid things with regularity.  You want to punish him for underage drinking, ok with me, that is breaking a law.  Of course what he said is reprehensible and evidence to some degree that he may not be a good person.  Last I checked, there is no law against being an a-hole, and you are allowed in America to speak your mind, even if you are a moron.   

But what kind of idiot posts that where others can see it unless he/she hates the guy?

I do not understand this generation on any level.

It's a clear violation of Marquette's Student Code of Conduct.

[Hards Alumni]

I've got a problem with any punishment for the remarks, except for whoever posted the video.  What some drunken idiot says at a party is not newsworthy if you ask me, even if he is a LAX player.  Drunk people says obnoxious stupid things with regularity.  You want to punish him for underage drinking, ok with me, that is breaking a law.  Of course what he said is reprehensible and evidence to some degree that he may not be a good person.  Last I checked, there is no law against being an a-hole, and you are allowed in America to speak your mind, even if you are a moron.   

But what kind of idiot posts that where others can see it unless he/she hates the guy?

I do not understand this generation on any level.

Ostensibly, he is an employee of the university as a LAX player on scholarship.  As such, he represents the university.  Much like if you had a business and this was your employee, you'd probably show him the door; Marquette may yank the scholarship.  At minimum this sends a message that Marquette doesn't tolerate bigoted behavior amongst the representatives that receive a scholarship to play a sport. 

[CTWarrior]

It's a clear violation of Marquette's Student Code of Conduct.

Any code of conduct that legislates what I can say to my friends at a private party is a BS code of conduct. 

Also, I do not dismiss underage drinking, either, that is a punishable offense. 

If he said any of this in a public forum I'd be right with you.  The fact that this is an issue is because someone put it out there for the world to see.  Nobody would want their dumbest or most insensitive thing they said while drunk made public.  I hate the language, but I also hate the mindset that says, "Here's something everyone should see"

[Galway Eagle]

Any code of conduct that legislates what I can say to my friends at a private party is a BS code of conduct. 

Also, I do not dismiss underage drinking, either, that is a punishable offense. 

If he said any of this in a public forum I'd be right with you.  The fact that this is an issue is because someone put it out there for the world to see.  Nobody would want there dumbest or most insensitive thing they said while drunk made public.  I hate the language, but I also hate the mindset that says, "Here's something everyone should see"

Just making sure I'm understanding correctly, your logic is anything that goes on at a party shouldn't be included in codes of conduct and if someone shows evidence of what is happening it's the videographer's fault?

[The Sultan]

Any code of conduct that legislates what I can say to my friends at a private party is a BS code of conduct. 

But that's not what happened.

[StillAWarrior]

Ostensibly, he is an employee of the university as a LAX player on scholarship.  As such, he represents the university.  Much like if you had a business and this was your employee, you'd probably show him the door; Marquette may yank the scholarship.  At minimum this sends a message that Marquette doesn't tolerate bigoted behavior amongst the representatives that receive a scholarship to play a sport. 

Aside from the fact that he was on the LAX team (emphasis on "was"), is there any evidence that this kid was, in fact, on scholarship? That said, as a member of the team and athletics department (i.e., representative of the University), I have no doubt that there are some rules applicable to him that wouldn't be applicable to the wider student body.

[CTWarrior]

Just making sure I'm understanding correctly, your logic is anything that goes on at a party shouldn't be included in codes of conduct and if someone shows evidence of what is happening it's the videographer's fault?

When it is non-threatening speech, yes.