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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1400 on: April 13, 2021, 12:48:03 PM »
Agreed, FBM.

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« Reply #1401 on: April 13, 2021, 01:07:36 PM »
And I will also say, the worse thing that Wojo could do is go back to Duke.  That's not going to help him.  Sitting on an NBA bench, or on the bench of a college coach that thinks differently than K, would be the best thing for him.

And I hope he gets another chance and succeeds.  I have no reason to hate the guy or wish him ill-will.

it worked for Jeff Capel so maybe it will work for Wojo (if he goes back).
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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1402 on: April 13, 2021, 01:10:08 PM »
it worked for Jeff Capel so maybe it will work for Wojo (if he goes back).


However, Jeff Capel was never a Duke assistant until after he got binned at Oklahoma

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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1403 on: April 13, 2021, 01:20:00 PM »

But I am not sure Coach K is one of the "game's masters" right now.  He is relying more on the talent he recruits than how he coaches them.  If reports are accurate that Wojo didn't use analytics much, he learned that from somewhere right?  And I am not saying you should be absolutely beholden to numbers, but they should definitely help drive your decision making.  I get the impression that K is kinda doing the same things he's been doing for 25 years.

Agree that K is Old School. Not a quant guy at all.

An important point is that while it is essential to measure it is far more important to know what to measure and how to interpret the results.


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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1404 on: April 13, 2021, 01:22:12 PM »


However, Jeff Capel was never a Duke assistant until after he got binned at Oklahoma
Capel did play at Duke though.

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« Reply #1405 on: April 13, 2021, 01:22:34 PM »
Is K still a game master or simply winning with the most talented players that line up to go to Duke?

He is certainly one of the All Time Greats. I can't speak to his relevance.

One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230. Dignity goeth before the Fall.


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« Reply #1406 on: April 13, 2021, 01:23:27 PM »


However, Jeff Capel was never a Duke assistant until after he got binned at Oklahoma

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« Reply #1407 on: April 13, 2021, 02:46:34 PM »
Its not whether or not you fall that matters. Rather, its how you get up, aina?
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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1408 on: April 13, 2021, 03:06:54 PM »
He is certainly one of the All Time Greats. I can't speak to his relevance.

One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230. Dignity goeth before the Fall.


I actually feel sorry for Coach K who's still coaching at 74 and Boeheim coaching at 76. (Though I suspect Boeheim will retire after his son is done.)

I would just hope at some point I could find something else to do.
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« Reply #1409 on: April 13, 2021, 04:12:03 PM »

I actually feel sorry for Coach K who's still coaching at 74 and Boeheim coaching at 76. (Though I suspect Boeheim will retire after his son is done.)

I would just hope at some point I could find something else to do.
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« Reply #1410 on: April 13, 2021, 04:15:03 PM »
He is certainly one of the All Time Greats. I can't speak to his relevance.

One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230. Dignity goeth before the Fall.
Yes, it is time for Cranky K to retire. He has nothing to prove, except that he can still haul ion 10 million plus each year at 75, p
or whatever his age is.
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« Reply #1411 on: April 13, 2021, 04:25:01 PM »
Funny, I think the opposite.  I can only wish I loved my job enough that I wanted to keep doing it when I reached my mid 70s.


I would rather not love my job that much.  I would hope I could find joy in not working.
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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1412 on: April 13, 2021, 07:38:27 PM »
Joe Golding to UTEP. That's maybe the most wild coaching move of the cycle because he essentially created that opening.

Golding & Abilene Christian beat Texas in the NCAA Tournament. That made Shaka available for Marquette, which created an opening at Texas. Chris Beard filled that and hired Rodney Terry as an assistant, which created an opening at UTEP. Now Golding takes the UTEP job, filling the opening that he indirectly created.
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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1413 on: April 13, 2021, 09:18:27 PM »
I have no knowledge of Abeline, TX, but could El Paso possibly be an improvement for quality of life?
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« Reply #1414 on: April 13, 2021, 09:23:45 PM »
I have no knowledge of Abeline, TX, but could El Paso possibly be an improvement for quality of life?

I couldn't find Golding's contract, but looking around the Southland, most of their coaches are under $250,000 in salary. As low as $95,000 and as high as $375,000 for Stephen F Austin. Rodney Terry at UTEP was making $725,000, so Golding likely got a big raise, probably more than tripling his salary. Guessing that will improve his quality of life.

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« Reply #1415 on: April 13, 2021, 09:26:19 PM »
I couldn't find Golding's contract, but looking around the Southland, most of their coaches are under $250,000 in salary. As low as $95,000 and as high as $375,000 for Stephen F Austin. Rodney Terry at UTEP was making $725,000, so Golding likely got a big raise, probably more than tripling his salary. Guessing that will improve his quality of life.

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Otoh, Abilene is a much better place to live than El Paso.  But, $$$$ do speak volumes.

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« Reply #1416 on: April 13, 2021, 09:44:37 PM »
Otoh, Abilene is a much better place to live than El Paso.  But, $$$$ do speak volumes.

Much better? Based on?

El Paso isn’t a cosmopolitan dream but it’s a sizable city with thriving Hispanic influenced culture and tons of history and a notable arts scene. It’s also close to Las Cruces and a lot of cool nature related stuff in New Mexico.

Abilene is in the middle of nowhere and basically revolves around the university and the Air Force base/military related stuff.  And you’re talking more than 2.5 hours to anything of note in Dallas.  Also an airport with no direct flights anywhere

And contrary to popular belief, despite the proximity to Ciudad Juarez, El Paso is shockingly safe and crime limited.  My old roommate worked on a consulting project there for almost a year and while he wasn’t clamoring to move there, he came away very pleasantly surprised by how much he liked it.

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« Reply #1417 on: April 13, 2021, 09:46:47 PM »
Much better? Based on?

El Paso isn’t a cosmopolitan dream but it’s a sizable city with thriving Hispanic influenced culture and tons of history and a notable arts scene. It’s also close to Las Cruces and a lot of cool nature related stuff in New Mexico.

Abilene is in the middle of nowhere and basically revolves around the university and the Air Force base/military related stuff.  And you’re talking more than 2.5 hours to anything of note in Dallas.  Also an airport with no direct flights anywhere

And contrary to popular belief, despite the proximity to Ciudad Juarez, El Paso is shockingly safe and crime limited.  My old roommate worked on a consulting project there for almost a year and while he wasn’t clamoring to move there, he came away very pleasantly surprised by how much he liked it.
Ive had others tell me quite the opposite.  Whatever

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« Reply #1418 on: April 13, 2021, 09:48:21 PM »
One of the saddest sights ever was watching Mickey Mantle try to play first base while hitting .230.

Batting .230, striking out a ton, hitting the occasional long homer. You know what you call that guy today?

A $20 million-per-year ballplayer!
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« Reply #1419 on: April 13, 2021, 09:48:36 PM »
Ive had others tell me quite the opposite.  Whatever

To each their own, El Paso certainly isn’t a shining city on the hill, but I’ve never heard anyone rave or speaking highly of fricken Abilene. 

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« Reply #1420 on: April 13, 2021, 10:03:02 PM »
I have no knowledge of Abeline, TX, but could El Paso possibly be an improvement for quality of life?

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« Reply #1421 on: April 13, 2021, 10:07:42 PM »
Otoh, Abilene is a much better place to live than El Paso.  But, $$$$ do speak volumes.

Spoken like a man who has never been to Abilene. Chuckie Cheese is considered fine dining there
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« Reply #1422 on: April 13, 2021, 10:10:15 PM »
Arguing about whether Abilene or El Paso is a better place to live?

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« Reply #1423 on: April 13, 2021, 10:56:52 PM »
One person who has no love for anything having to do with Abilene is Marquette's new coach.
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Re: OT: 2021 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #1424 on: April 14, 2021, 07:01:15 AM »
Spoken like a man who has never been to Abilene. Chuckie Cheese is considered fine dining there

Yeah I’ve been there once. Crap hole.
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