MU's Offense

[MuggsyB]

Excuse my ignorance but do we run an offense?  How can a starter be on the floor for 20 mins and have a stat line of 0-0.?  This team is so poor fundamentally, absolutely awful.

[Johnny B]

who was 0-0

[Johnny B]

who was 0-0

oh cain nvm

[Viper]

Unless Cain got hurt, that stat is unacceptable. From Garcia getting 4 shots last game to Cain a donut donut?

[MuggsyB]

I have never coached so I ask this sincerely:  Do we run an offense or know how to create space off the ball?

[5DollarPitcher]

I have never coached so I ask this sincerely:  Do we run an offense or know how to create space off the ball?

I can't tell if you're a parody account.

[nyg]

Game was won by PU because:

MU 15 to PU 7 turnovers
PU 12 to 3 MU offensive rebounds. Bad.....
PU 28 to MU 15 free throw attempts

Heck, PU shot 35% to MU 48% and still won. 

[CTWarrior]

Game was won by PU because:

MU 15 to PU 7 turnovers
PU 12 to 3 MU offensive rebounds. Bad.....
PU 28 to MU 15 free throw attempts

Heck, PU shot 35% to MU 48% and still won.

Not to be that guy, but it is PC.

Our offense lacks movement of all sorts, passing, off the ball.  We struggle to complete routine perimeter passes.  It is unlike anything I have seen before.  We've always scored well in Wojo's tenure, but we don't have the horses this year to be so ball dominant and we could use a little more structure with this group.

[MuggsyB]

Not to be that guy, but it is PC.

Our offense lacks movement of all sorts, passing, off the ball.  We struggle to complete routine perimeter passes.  It is unlike anything I have seen before.  We've always scored well in Wojo's tenure, but we don't have the horses this year to be so ball dominant and we could use a little more structure with this group.

We also have shot bricks from distance .

[MarquetteFan94]

Wojo's offense is hero ball that caters to an offensive stud guard who heaves up 20+ shots a game (Carlino, Rowsey, Howard)....difference this year is there's no stud and we suck.

[wadesworld]

Wojo's offense is hero ball that caters to an offensive stud guard who heaves up 20+ shots a game (Carlino, Rowsey, Howard)....difference this year is there's no stud and we suck.

We've never had a player take 20+ shots a game. Markus is the only player who's taken more than 15.

[MarquetteFan94]

We've never had a player take 20+ shots a game. Markus is the only player who's taken more than 15.

Nope.  Dozens of examples of players shooting 15+ shots...go ahead and comb through the glory year of Carlino.  Do you understand exaggerations?

[wadesworld]

Nope.  Dozens of examples of players shooting 15+ shots...go ahead and comb through the glory year of Carlino.  Do you understand exaggerations?

In a single game? Well, I'd be shocked if there isn't a player who "heaves" the ball while playing "hero ball" on almost every college team every season.

Matt Carlino averaged 11 shots per game at Marquette.

[The Sultan]

Anyone who thinks that Wojo doesn't run an offense or that its centered around "hero ball" should probably realize they are WAY out of their depth here.

Of course they run an offense.  Offense has rarely been a problem on Wojo's teams.  Look at the second half of the PC game.  Offense was hardly a problem.  I see two major issues.  First, we don't get consistent outside shooting.  Second, we should be placing Garcia on the block and working through him.

I love Theo, but I think the offense worked best yesterday when we had DJ, Justin, Koby, Dawson and Greg / Symir on the floor.  On another board, someone mentioned that this team would probably due better with a five out look to free up driving and cutting lanes, but you can't really do that with Theo out there.  No one will respect his shot.  My guess is that we will see more of that look next year.

[Nukem2]

Anyone who thinks that Wojo doesn't run an offense or that its centered around "hero ball" should probably realize they are WAY out of their depth here.

Of course they run an offense.  Offense has rarely been a problem on Wojo's teams.  Look at the second half of the PC game.  Offense was hardly a problem.  I see two major issues.  First, we don't get consistent outside shooting.  Second, we should be placing Garcia on the block and working through him.

I love Theo, but I think the offense worked best yesterday when we had DJ, Justin, Koby, Dawson and Greg / Symir on the floor.  On another board, someone mentioned that this team would probably due better with a five out look to free up driving and cutting lanes, but you can't really do that with Theo out there.  No one will respect his shot.  My guess is that we will see more of that look next year.

Yep, that is much the case.

[muwarrior69]

Anyone who thinks that Wojo doesn't run an offense or that its centered around "hero ball" should probably realize they are WAY out of their depth here.

Of course they run an offense.  Offense has rarely been a problem on Wojo's teams.  Look at the second half of the PC game.  Offense was hardly a problem.  I see two major issues.  First, we don't get consistent outside shooting.  Second, we should be placing Garcia on the block and working through him.

I love Theo, but I think the offense worked best yesterday when we had DJ, Justin, Koby, Dawson and Greg / Symir on the floor.  On another board, someone mentioned that this team would probably due better with a five out look to free up driving and cutting lanes, but you can't really do that with Theo out there.  No one will respect his shot.  My guess is that we will see more of that look next year.

I have seen women's team pass the ball with more snap than this team. Our players have teflon hands.

[MuggsyB]

Anyone who thinks that Wojo doesn't run an offense or that its centered around "hero ball" should probably realize they are WAY out of their depth here.

Of course they run an offense.  Offense has rarely been a problem on Wojo's teams.  Look at the second half of the PC game.  Offense was hardly a problem.  I see two major issues.  First, we don't get consistent outside shooting.  Second, we should be placing Garcia on the block and working through him.

I love Theo, but I think the offense worked best yesterday when we had DJ, Justin, Koby, Dawson and Greg / Symir on the floor.  On another board, someone mentioned that this team would probably due better with a five out look to free up driving and cutting lanes, but you can't really do that with Theo out there.  No one will respect his shot.  My guess is that we will see more of that look next year.

Yes, but what about the first half?

What about the turns?

What about the FT attempts?

This year especially our offense has been wildly inconsistent and our 3 pt shooting is way down.  The reason our offensive numbers were better in the past is primarily Howard and the 3-Ball but also we could get to the line.  We don't really have a pure scorer or consistent outside shooter on this team. 

Our most talented player has not been put in spots to score on a consistent basis.  The fact is Rowsey. Howard, and to a smaller degree Sam and Joey, could get good looks at the bucket one on one.  We really don't have that this year. Part of it may be youth but the turns absolutely kill us time and time again.  We over dribble. don't move the rock, and rarely create good looks in our h-c offense.  Lots of guys standing around, ball stopping, and no change of pace, patience, use of the shot fake, swinging the basketball, etc, etc, etc.  We constantly play with hesitation and a look of utter confusion on our faces. 

[The Sultan]

We aren't getting FTs because we don't attack the basket with consistency.  We turn the ball over a lot because that's what Wojo's teams have done.  It's been a chronic problem since he has been here.

[tower912]

Yes, Marquette runs an offense.    The previous 6 years, it has been a 4 out.    This year, it is a 3 out- two in with a high and low post.   This does not lend itself to a great deal of movement off the ball.    It starts with a high pick and roll or pick and pop.     IMO, the change is due to personnel.   

Muggsy wants more off the ball screens.    He wants to see players come off screens and catch the ball in a triple threat position.   He wants a motion offense with constant off the ball movement and screening.     

Turnovers come from bad hands.   Lack of attention to detail.   Much like a qb and a wr not being on the same page for an option route, the passer not being on the same page as the receiver of the pass.     Players trying to play beyond their skill set.   

[MuggsyB]

Yes, Marquette runs an offense.    The previous 6 years, it has been a 4 out.    This year, it is a 3 out- two in with a high and low post.   This does not lend itself to a great deal of movement off the ball.    It starts with a high pick and roll or pick and pop.     IMO, the change is due to personnel.   

Muggsy wants more off the ball screens.    He wants to see players come off screens and catch the ball in a triple threat position.   He wants a motion offense with constant off the ball movement and screening.     

Turnovers come from bad hands.   Lack of attention to detail.   Much like a qb and a wr not being on the same page for an option route, the passer not being on the same page as the receiver of the pass.     Players trying to play beyond their skill set.

Ty.  That's exactly what Muggsy wants.  Muggsy does not like Moais in our h-c offense.  If he wants to see Moais he will fly to Easter Island.  Our spacing,  dribbling, passing, catching, and ball movement have been atrocious Tower.

[Knight Commission]

Wojo's offense is hero ball that caters to an offensive stud guard who heaves up 20+ shots a game (Carlino, Rowsey, Howard)....difference this year is there's no stud and we suck.

Ellenson

[MarquetteFan94]

In a single game? Well, I'd be shocked if there isn't a player who "heaves" the ball while playing "hero ball" on almost every college team every season.

Matt Carlino averaged 11 shots per game at Marquette.

I'll take your word for it on Carlino.  I bet if you look at the 5 games where he had the most attempts MU had a winning record during what was a horrible season.

Point is, without an unbalanced offense where one guy can go off at any given moment, Wojo's offense is brutal.

The posts above explain much better (technically) than I could.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'll take your word for it on Carlino.  I bet if you look at the 5 games where he had the most attempts MU had a winning record during what was a horrible season.

Out of curiosity I looked.

Georgia Tech (N): Carlino 38 points with 8/18 shooting, 72-70 MU win
Providence (A): Carlino 21 points with 8/18 shooting, 66-77 MU loss
Seton Hall (N): Carlino 26 points with 9/18 shooting, 78-56 MU win
DePaul (H): Carlino 20 points with 6/17 shooting, 58-48 MU win
Georgetown (H): Carlino 26 points with 8/16 shooting, 85-95 MU OT loss
Butler (H): Carlino 18 points with 5/16 shooting, 68-72 MU OT loss

So 3 of Marquette's 7 wins against P6 teams were in Carlino's top 3 FGA games.

In Marquette's 4 other wins against P6 teams Carlino went:
Tennessee (N): 6 points 2/5 shooting
Arizona State (H): 9 points 2/5 shooting
Providence (H): 10 points 3/11 shooting
Creighton (H): 19 points 6/10 shooting

Conclusion? Carlino carried us to victory in a couple of games but was also pretty limited in other wins. With a usage of 24.2% and eFG% of 53.3%, definitely wouldn't call him a hero baller or chucker.

[WarriorFan]

Good modern offenses utilize ball movement to find weak spots in the defense and create advantage such as open 3 point shots, open lanes to the basket, open passes to open cutters, and one-on-one situations with size or quickness advantage.

Wojo's offense utilizes dribbling and occasional people movement but very little ball movement which is why it doesn't work.

So the answer is yes, the team runs an offense.  Just not a very effective one. 

When combined with ineffective defense and ineffective leadership, the result is losses.

[MuggsyB]

Good modern offenses utilize ball movement to find weak spots in the defense and create advantage such as open 3 point shots, open lanes to the basket, open passes to open cutters, and one-on-one situations with size or quickness advantage.

Wojo's offense utilizes dribbling and occasional people movement but very little ball movement which is why it doesn't work.

So the answer is yes, the team runs an offense.  Just not a very effective one. 

When combined with ineffective defense and ineffective leadership, the result is losses.

Exactly.