6 days vs 3 days

[vogue65]

Vogue65 here, the great MUScoop statistician.

UCONN played DePaul on Wed. Dec. 30 and Marquette on Tuesday January 5th.
That, based on his indepth analysis, is 6 days.

Marquette played Georgetown on Saturday January 1st. and UCONN Tuesday January 5th.
That is 3 days.

Now the hard part.

Therefore, Marquette had tired legs and all that went with that.

[4everwarriors]

Man, old farts may have tired legs. We're talking 18-22 yo studs here. Even if that were the case, responsibility falls on the head coach, aina?

[panda]

Vogue65 here, the great MUScoop statistician.

UCONN played DePaul on Wed. Dec. 30 and Marquette on Tuesday January 5th.
That, based on his indepth analysis, is 6 days.

Marquette played Georgetown on Saturday January 1st. and UCONN Tuesday January 5th.
That is 3 days.

Now the hard part.

Therefore, Marquette had tired legs and all that went with that.

How much is Dodds paying you to post on this board?

[Galway Eagle]

Meanwhile on the runners thread we have people talking about running back to back marathons or more in their middle age. If they can't play two games in 4 days then they should give up on even calling themselves athletes.

[vogue65]

Man, old farts may have tired legs. We're talking 18-22 yo studs here. Even if that were the case, responsibility falls on the head coach, aina?

This argument has been made by a few.
Look at the other side.
Is a 6 day rest an advantage?
I was once young and did 40 miles with 40 lbs., and I know what rest can do.
Fatigue is physical and mental.
Late night air travel also has its negative consequences.

Some people place a lot of responsibility on the coach for EVERYTHING.
We don't have the details of the travel program or scheduling.
We have the same facts, different conclusion,,thatsfine.

[hairy worthen]

Vogue65 here, the great MUScoop statistician.

UCONN played DePaul on Wed. Dec. 30 and Marquette on Tuesday January 5th.
That, based on his indepth analysis, is 6 days.

Marquette played Georgetown on Saturday January 1st. and UCONN Tuesday January 5th.
That is 3 days.

Now the hard part.

Therefore, Marquette had tired legs and all that went with that.

you are funny.

[vogue65]

How much is Dodds paying you to post on this board?

Wow, I didn't know I could get paid.
How do I get some scratch?

When I took book at the Vogue Cocktail Lounge, across the street from the library, for the vig. , we always factored in the recovery time. 

Yes, now we have massages, drugs, I.V., special stretches, even head phones.
I'd still rather have 6 days than 3 days rest, mental as well as physical. 
UCONN was waiting for us, we got ambushed, it happens.

[Silent Verbal]

Wow, I didn't know I could get paid.
How do I get some scratch?

When I took book at the Vogue Cocktail Lounge, across the street from the library, for the vig. , we always factored in the recovery time. 

Yes, now we have massages, drugs, I.V., special stretches, even head phones.
I'd still rather have 6 days than 3 days rest, mental as well as physical. 
UCONN was waiting for us, we got ambushed, it happens.

Dude, Marquette had like 9 full days of rest before their game against Georgetown.  Once conference play starts, you're typically playing 2 games per week.  You're carpet bombing this board with bullshat in a way not seen since Chico.

[vogue65]

Dude, Marquette had like 9 full days of rest before their game against Georgetown.  Once conference play starts, you're typically playing 2 games per week.  You're carpet bombing this board with bullshat in a way not seen since Chico.

I don't go for the bait.
I don't engage with people who speak like you.

If you are saying that the 9 full days of rest and preperation before the Georgetown game helped, getting rid of the rust, getting timing, and sicronization together, then we agree.   It makes my point.  The team with the rest has an advantage and might be why the so-called collapse.  In my view they ran out of steam.

We can agree or disagree without the insults.

[bradforster]

Maybe Wojo should implement the Kawhi Leonard plan - "maintenance" days off for certain players.  Get out of here with that crap!  If these kids have tired legs the coach has recruited the wrong players.  Nolan Richardson really struggled with his "40 minutes of hell" philosophy.  His players were so enervated they could only muster national championship and runner up finishes in back to back years.

[The Sultan]

There isn't a material difference between 3 and 6 days.  Especially since prior to the 3 days, they had over a week off.

[WhiteTrash]

I don't think I'm alone on this but I've thought for a couple of years that Wojo's teams don't seem as well conditioned as compared to the Crean & definitely Buzz teams. 

[vogue65]

There isn't a material difference between 3 and 6 days.  Especially since prior to the 3 days, they had over a week off.

Do we have an expert around here?  Is there a doctor on the plane? 

If there is no material difference between 3 and 6 days, then why does the 9 days off matter?

I noticed during the UCONN game Wojo was juggling the time of some players more than usual.
I don't know enough about basketball, (that's why I'm here, to learn), to know if it was fatigue related or tactical.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

If there's one guy here I'm not putting on ignore it's Vogue. His posts always amuse me and the responses are even better.

[vogue65]

I don't think I'm alone on this but I've thought for a couple of years that Wojo's teams don't seem as well conditioned as compared to the Crean & definitely Buzz teams.

We can agree on that observation, as well as the fact that he has had a lot of freshman playing.
How many times have we heard how much talent someone has, BUT he needs to put on some weight.
Bulking up and cardio. conditioning may be counter programs, I don't know.  Again, we need an expert.
Buzz seems to favor more physically mature recruits.
In the UCONN game we were getting pushed around, same with Seton Hall, and Providence has  monsters.
Back to coaching, feeding, recruiting, it is what it is.
Buzz had a degree in kinesiology, it may have helped him. It's beyond my pay grade.

[vogue65]

If there's one guy here I'm not putting on ignore it's Vogue. His posts always amuse me and the responses are even better.

It's a learning curve.  And that's not a buzz word.
I also love the responses.
It took me a long time around here to have fun with Scoop.
It is easy for me to take myself way too seriously.
 

[The Sultan]

I noticed during the UCONN game Wojo was juggling the time of some players more than usual.

He was?  He played eight players, but was subbing more than usual due to foul trouble.  If tired legs was such an issue, why didn't he play Dex, Osa or Jose, none of whom played v. Georgetown.

I mean, you honestly think three days off isn't enough for a college basketball team to recover? 

[Galway Eagle]

Just curious, Vogue what is your athletic background? Did you play sports as a young man or even as an adolescent? Or are the claims regarding recovery time purely hypothetical?

I know you've mentioned your feelings that any contact sport is barbaric and should be outlawed so I am just curious if you ever played a real high intensity sport.

[MUfan12]

I don't think I'm alone on this but I've thought for a couple of years that Wojo's teams don't seem as well conditioned as compared to the Crean & definitely Buzz teams.

He's a finesse coach in a physical league. They can run all day with those prior teams, but wear down faster because they're strong enough to handle the physicality required to compete in the Big East.

[Billy Hoyle]

Dude, Marquette had like 9 full days of rest before their game against Georgetown.  Once conference play starts, you're typically playing 2 games per week.  You're carpet bombing this board with bullshat in a way not seen since Chico.

some people are really bad at recognizing sarcasm.

[Silent Verbal]

some people are really bad at recognizing sarcasm.

I've suspected that Vogue is just doing a giant troll job, but I really don't know.

[panda]

I've suspected that Vogue is just doing a giant troll job, but I really don't know.

That would be incredible and I've thought the same thing.

[vogue65]

He was?  He played eight players, but was subbing more than usual due to foul trouble.  If tired legs was such an issue, why didn't he play Dex, Osa or Jose, none of whom played v. Georgetown.

I mean, you honestly think three days off isn't enough for a college basketball team to recover?

I don't know, but UCONN had 6 days.  Did they fly out of Washington late Saturday night or Sunday?  That could mean a night lost.  All I know is that to my eyes they did not have legs late in the game, for whatever reason. 

[vogue65]

He's a finesse coach in a physical league. They can run all day with those prior teams, but wear down faster because they're strong enough to handle the physicality required to compete in the Big East.

Right on, that explains part of it.   I think a finesse coach needs better shooting players.

[vogue65]

Just curious, Vogue what is your athletic background? Did you play sports as a young man or even as an adolescent? Or are the claims regarding recovery time purely hypothetical?

I know you've mentioned your feelings that any contact sport is barbaric and should be outlawed so I am just curious if you ever played a real high intensity sport.

Interesting question.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with our warriors having tired legs and sometimes collapsing in the second half of games.

On a serious medical "trolling" note, we have an apartment in Bergamo Italy and every day we get bad Covid news from our friends in Italy.  This pandemic is really bad and all the denial, distraction, and Covid fatigue doesn't help.   Our sports fan discussions however do help a little.