Marquette Wearing Black in Honor of Jacob Blake

[wadesworld]

I won't ever understand how you can't understand that a guy with a previous warrant out for rape, disorderly conduct, and stealing a car is shot when the police are called and they know he has a warrant for these crimes.

The guy is told to get on the ground, he doesn't.  He's tased twice by two separate officers, and nothing.   The guy starts walking to the car, opens the door as the cop is on his back yelling at him to stop.  There's a knife in the door. He gets shot 7 times.   

I get it, and understand why/how it happened.  Police are trained to shoot to kill. (Whether that should be a part of new police reform is up for discussion) although in this case, the officer did what he's trained to do.

Respect authority.  That never was going to happen given his past and the events that led up to the shooting.

Ahh yes. The white people never profiled by police or stopped for their skin color blaming the guy shot 7 times in the back for not respecting authority.

[Galway Eagle]

I won't ever understand how you can't understand that a guy with a previous warrant out for rape, disorderly conduct, and stealing a car is shot when the police are called and they know he has a warrant for these crimes.

The guy is told to get on the ground, he doesn't.  He's tased twice by two separate officers, and nothing.   The guy starts walking to the car, opens the door as the cop is on his back yelling at him to stop.  There's a knife in the door. He gets shot 7 times.   

I get it, and understand why/how it happened.  Police are trained to shoot to kill. (Whether that should be a part of new police reform is up for discussion) although in this case, the officer did what he's trained to do.

Respect authority.  That never was going to happen given his past and the events that led up to the shooting.

Bad take on respect authority. Read some threads from our white posters on tickets. Let alone things you can't put yourself into their shoes for.

Good take on the summary of the situation and whether police should be retrained.

Question: is 7 times in the back a reasonable amount? That's a close range weapon and you have backup, you take two steps back and control the situation

[Viper]

Hey FrennA, are you of the opinion that anyone with a criminal background should be shot 7 times in the back?  Just making sure I have that right.

Frenn isn't arguing that. No one wanted that. But honor a rapist? Or maybe you don't have all the facts of the individual.
All lives matter, right BLM?

[Bad_Reporter]

Ahh yes. The white people never profiled by police or stopped for their skin color blaming the guy shot 7 times in the back for not respecting authority.

Wtf does that have to do with anything.  Is what I said false? No.

Guy has a HISTORY of not listening, not following the law, violating a woman's human rights, in all sense a POS.  He has a Warrant.   That means there's a legal piece of paper for law environment to take him to jail for a cause.  Did he rape a female because he's black?  Is that her fault too?  Tool.

[Galway Eagle]

Wtf does that have to do with anything.  Is what I said false? No.

Guy has a HISTORY of not listening, not following the law, violating a woman's human rights, in all sense a POS.  He has a Warrant.   That means there's a legal piece of paper for law environment to take him to jail for a cause.  Did he rape a female because he's black?  Is that her fault too?  Tool.

For the record it was sexual assault for the warrant

[Bad_Reporter]

Bad take on respect authority. Read some threads from our white posters on tickets. Let alone things you can't put yourself into their shoes for.

Good take on the summary of the situation and whether police should be retrained.

Question: is 7 times in the back a reasonable amount? That's a close range weapon and you have backup, you take two steps back and control the situation

Of course sometimes cops can be a**holes when you get pulled over.  Happened to me many times.   Comparing getting a speeding ticket, and having a warrant and being a fugitive for rape is another story.

Cops are trained to shoot to kill, and that's what he did.  If you want to argue we shouldn't do that, we can, but I can't agree that it was excessive given the guy wouldn't listen after being tased multiple times, and walked to a car, kidnapping kids, and grabbing a knife.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[FrennA]

This is my last post on this.  I'm not "meh" about him being shot.  I'm seriously glad I wasn't put in that situation.  But BLM, you sure seem to think highly of your ability to do better than that police officer.  I on the other hand, from the safety of my home can't and won't judge that officer because I simply have never been in that situation.  I wonder if he had complied if he would've been shot at all.  Would it have been better if he was only shot once?  What if that one shot was fatal?  What if the officer did not shoot at all and Blake had a gun inside his van?  What if Blake shot his kids?  How is the officer to know if he is armed or not?  What if Blake was able to shoot his kids because the cop didnt shoot him first.  All I'm saying is stop acting like you would've done better when you have absolutely no clue and stop acting like Blake is innocent an appropriate model to use to point out racial injustice.  Perhaps McClain is.   Furthermore, I hear all this talk about police reform and I agree.  However, how come I don't hear anything about citizen reform when dealing with police.  Do what you're told, comply, and you'll get your day in court.  For everyone of these Blake videos, there are several more where the police don't shoot but get shot first so cut the crap. 

[Galway Eagle]

Of course sometimes cops can be a**holes when you get pulled over.  Happened to me many times.   Comparing getting a speeding ticket, and having a warrant and being a fugitive for rape is another story.

Cops are trained to shoot to kill, and that's what he did.  If you want to argue we shouldn't do that, we can, but I can't agree that it was excessive given the guy wouldn't listen after being tased multiple times, and walked to a car, kidnapping kids, and grabbing a knife.  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

You're right, we can debate a$$ hole cops all day lucky for us it's speeding not a counterfeit $20 bill or protecting their home from a seeming invasion

Again I agree with you he needed to be stopped. We can agree to disagree on the use of force though if the teams support was purely against the, in their opinion, excessive use of force would you be so against it?  That being said old adages don't really help, we've all done stupid things and haven't won "stupid prizes" hell I once got attacked outside of caffs and hit an MPD officer square didn't get charged.

[jesmu84]

OT:

Lots of good stuff on reform here:

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1346658745611415552?s=19

[wadesworld]

This is my last post on this.  I'm not "meh" about him being shot.  I'm seriously glad I wasn't put in that situation.  But BLM, you sure seem to think highly of your ability to do better than that police officer.  I on the other hand, from the safety of my home can't and won't judge that officer because I simply have never been in that situation.  I wonder if he had complied if he would've been shot at all.  Would it have been better if he was only shot once?  What if that one shot was fatal?  What if the officer did not shoot at all and Blake had a gun inside his van?  What if Blake shot his kids?  How is the officer to know if he is armed or not?  What if Blake was able to shoot his kids because the cop didnt shoot him first.  All I'm saying is stop acting like you would've done better when you have absolutely no clue and stop acting like Blake is innocent an appropriate model to use to point out racial injustice.  Perhaps McClain is.   Furthermore, I hear all this talk about police reform and I agree.  However, how come I don't hear anything about citizen reform when dealing with police.  Do what you're told, comply, and you'll get your day in court.  For everyone of these Blake videos, there are several more where the police don't shoot but get shot first so cut the crap.

Again. White people who have never been profiled or pulled over because they have a certain skin tone telling people to comply with authority is ridiculous.

Nobody is holding Blake up as a model citizen. Being less than a model citizen shouldn't be reason to open fire on someone (who has their back to you, no less).

[NoLongerWarrior]

BLM is an obvious proud boy troll. Really top notch work. No one could possibly be this ignorant, dense, racist, and antagonizing. How many of you find yourself disagreeing so passionately with the ridiculous arguments he or she puts forth that you are beginning to question the merit of the BLM movement? Precisely. Bravo BLM.

[FrennA]

Damn it BLM.....this is why I don't post....it never stops.  Ok, this is my last post.   Ridiculous?  Ok you're right.  Thanks for assuming my skin tone and previous experiences with police or others carrying.  You know who I blame for Blake being paralyzed?  You.  Absolutely you.  People like you who think complying with a person (police),  carrying a lethal weapon, is "ridiculous".  Keep telling people that complying with someone carrying a gun is ridiculous.  I'll keep that in mind next time I get pulled over by police or held up by someone on State and 17th demanding my wallet.  I'll think to myself, don't comply, BLM said it's ridiculous to do so.  Plus, this can't be happening.....white people never come face to face with someone carrying a gun..... police or not.  You and the dangerous non-sense you spew get people hurt and killed. 

[WarriorFan]

Teach your children - no matter how old - that the most dangerous thing that is likely to happen to them is an encounter with an armed person.  Whether they are black or white or brown doesn't matter, and whether the armed person is a cop doesn't matter.  If the armed person is a cop, they should be even more careful because the cops have a massive system of unions and lawyers and politicians behind them to keep them "above the law". 

There are many countries where nobody has guns.  Not the criminals, not the police... only the military. 

It's a better situation.

[Galway Eagle]

Damn it BLM.....this is why I don't post....it never stops.  Ok, this is my last post.   Ridiculous?  Ok you're right.  Thanks for assuming my skin tone and previous experiences with police or others carrying.  You know who I blame for Blake being paralyzed?  You.  Absolutely you.  People like you who think complying with a person (police),  carrying a lethal weapon, is "ridiculous".  Keep telling people that complying with someone carrying a gun is ridiculous.  I'll keep that in mind next time I get pulled over by police or held up by someone on State and 17th demanding my wallet.  I'll think to myself, don't comply, BLM said it's ridiculous to do so.  Plus, this can't be happening.....white people never come face to face with someone carrying a gun..... police or not.  You and the dangerous non-sense you spew get people hurt and killed.

Well this is just filled with inaccuracy. I don't get along with wades/BLM but this is a lot of hyperbole and false equivalency.

[NoLongerWarrior]

Well this is just filled with inaccuracy. I don't get along with wades/BLM but this is a lot of hyperbole and false equivalency.

That's just like your opinion man

[Ardmore Mug]

I think the discussion here is missing that the DA did show evidence that he was armed with a knife ! ! !  And Police are trained to neutralize the "threat", and according to DA the "threat" continued after he was even tased and until he was shot 7x...     

[Galway Eagle]

I think the discussion here is missing that the DA did show evidence that he was armed with a knife ! ! !  And Police are trained to neutralize the "threat", and according to DA the "threat" continued after he was even tased and until he was shot 7x...   

To be fair did you watch the video? He didn't exactly shoot him, check if he's still threatening, and repeat 6x...

That's just like your opinion man

I mean parlor wouldn't correct the  opinion I replied to.

[Warrior84]

One of the prevalent problems we have on these important national issues is making uninformed decisions.  I wonder how many players/coaches/staff actually took the time to read Wray's exhaustive investigatory report?  Many on this board refer to Blake as being "unarmed."  The police, civilian witnesses, and Blake himself acknowledge he had a knife in his hand.  Wray's resume is quite impressive re his involvement in police reforms.  Relying on social media alone to form an opinion is ignorant.  Spend time to review the facts coming from those who were on the scene.  Read Supreme Court decisions that discuss the standards to be used when examining particular cases.  If you can honestly say that you have educated yourself on the specific facts/evidence to form your opinion instead of just relying on superficial accounts via social media, then go ahead and speak your mind.

My difficulty is that the Marquette administration, I assume, allowed a school program/organization to use itself as a platform, under the school's name, to render a statement that undoubtedly would be met with reasonable criticism.  Obviously, every player is entitled to have an opinion and such can be expressed as a personal opinion.  But when such opinion is channeled via a university sponsored program, Marquette has a responsibility, as a institution of higher learning, to ensure such a statement is carefully worded & based on facts.

[5DollarPitcher]

One of the prevalent problems we have on these important national issues is making uninformed decisions.  I wonder how many players/coaches/staff actually took the time to read Wray's exhaustive investigatory report?  Many on this board refer to Blake as being "unarmed."  The police, civilian witnesses, and Blake himself acknowledge he had a knife in his hand.  Wray's resume is quite impressive re his involvement in police reforms.  Relying on social media alone to form an opinion is ignorant.  Spend time to review the facts coming from those who were on the scene.  Read Supreme Court decisions that discuss the standards to be used when examining particular cases.  If you can honestly say that you have educated yourself on the specific facts/evidence to form your opinion instead of just relying on superficial accounts via social media, then go ahead and speak your mind.

My difficulty is that the Marquette administration, I assume, allowed a school program/organization to use itself as a platform, under the school's name, to render a statement that undoubtedly would be met with reasonable criticism.  Obviously, every player is entitled to have an opinion and such can be expressed as a personal opinion.  But when such opinion is channeled via a university sponsored program, Marquette has a responsibility, as a institution of higher learning, to ensure such a statement is carefully worded & based on facts.

+1

[rocky_warrior]

Wray's resume is quite impressive re his involvement in police reforms.  Relying on social media alone to form an opinion is ignorant.  Spend time to review the facts coming from those who were on the scene.

I did read some more on it after posting tonight, and it appears Wray is saying it would  be difficult to impossible to bring charges, and that finding witnesses would be a problem.   That's probably a reasonable reason not to bring charges.

It's also reasonable to be disappointed in that decision.  It may be the right decision for legal reasons, but it's certainly doesn't help address the likelihood that the Kenosha officers probably didn't handle this correctly, and they also don't have cameras or procedures in place to "protect" the people they're supposed to protect and serve.  Though some of that restitution may come in the civil case.

[NoLongerWarrior]

One of the prevalent problems we have on these important national issues is making uninformed decisions.  I wonder how many players/coaches/staff actually took the time to read Wray's exhaustive investigatory report?  Many on this board refer to Blake as being "unarmed."  The police, civilian witnesses, and Blake himself acknowledge he had a knife in his hand.  Wray's resume is quite impressive re his involvement in police reforms.  Relying on social media alone to form an opinion is ignorant.  Spend time to review the facts coming from those who were on the scene.  Read Supreme Court decisions that discuss the standards to be used when examining particular cases.  If you can honestly say that you have educated yourself on the specific facts/evidence to form your opinion instead of just relying on superficial accounts via social media, then go ahead and speak your mind.

My difficulty is that the Marquette administration, I assume, allowed a school program/organization to use itself as a platform, under the school's name, to render a statement that undoubtedly would be met with reasonable criticism.  Obviously, every player is entitled to have an opinion and such can be expressed as a personal opinion.  But when such opinion is channeled via a university sponsored program, Marquette has a responsibility, as a institution of higher learning, to ensure such a statement is carefully worded & based on facts.

Your words are violence, and I need them silenced! Cold-blooded logic

[coffee cup]

"We are about change. If you can't support us here I ask you Please don't support us on the court."

I will comply with Theo John's request.

That said, I wish him no ill will and hope for the best for him and his teammates.

[wadesworld]

One of the prevalent problems we have on these important national issues is making uninformed decisions.  I wonder how many players/coaches/staff actually took the time to read Wray's exhaustive investigatory report?  Many on this board refer to Blake as being "unarmed."  The police, civilian witnesses, and Blake himself acknowledge he had a knife in his hand.  Wray's resume is quite impressive re his involvement in police reforms.  Relying on social media alone to form an opinion is ignorant.  Spend time to review the facts coming from those who were on the scene.  Read Supreme Court decisions that discuss the standards to be used when examining particular cases.  If you can honestly say that you have educated yourself on the specific facts/evidence to form your opinion instead of just relying on superficial accounts via social media, then go ahead and speak your mind.

My difficulty is that the Marquette administration, I assume, allowed a school program/organization to use itself as a platform, under the school's name, to render a statement that undoubtedly would be met with reasonable criticism.  Obviously, every player is entitled to have an opinion and such can be expressed as a personal opinion.  But when such opinion is channeled via a university sponsored program, Marquette has a responsibility, as a institution of higher learning, to ensure such a statement is carefully worded & based on facts.

The university allowed the program, under its name, to take a stand against injustices in our society today. A group of mostly African American kids stood up against police brutality against mostly African Americans in America. I'm guessing the university is fine with those who feel this is controversial or worthy of criticizing losing interest in the school or the program. And they should be. Marquette is about being the difference. Not conforming because that's just how things have always been.

[wadesworld]

"We are about change. If you can't support us here I ask you Please don't support us on the court."

I will comply with Theo John's request.

That said, I wish him no ill will and hope for the best for him and his teammates.

I'm sure Theo will take back his sentiment so you don't leave.

[wadesworld]

If only people would simply comply with authority there would never be police brutality.

https://youtu.be/oLiwQ5uVECY

You could find thousands of examples. But hey. Just comply with authority guys.