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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2020, 10:52:42 AM »

And ASU's decision is 100% NOT about concern over health.  It's about concern over an infection that can shut their team down for two weeks.

I get that but that is my point.

Baylor is technically able to play Wednesday. But the game is still cancelled because the other program doesn't want to risk being shut down.

Because when teams do have players test positive and they have to shut down, its two weeks for the entire team.

At the collegiate level with the guidelines in place(not saying I disagree with them at all) it's simply impossible to make this work without a bubble.

You have to have the NFL "next man up" mentality with the possible rescheduling of a few games here or there to make it work with no bubble.
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2020, 11:42:14 AM »
I get that but that is my point.

Baylor is technically able to play Wednesday. But the game is still cancelled because the other program doesn't want to risk being shut down.

Because when teams do have players test positive and they have to shut down, its two weeks for the entire team.

At the collegiate level with the guidelines in place(not saying I disagree with them at all) it's simply impossible to make this work without a bubble.

You have to have the NFL "next man up" mentality with the possible rescheduling of a few games here or there to make it work with no bubble.
Player A can get it this week and a team shuts down for two weeks. Then player B can get it and the team will need to shut down another two weeks. That is why I think there is very little chance of MU plays 13 games.

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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2020, 11:54:04 AM »
6th in BE and well placed on the bubble. More ceiling than floor.

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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2020, 12:37:00 PM »
Reflecting on all the cancelations being announced today....

Considering how much the NCAA *needs* the tournament to take place this Spring, why weren't they more front and center with plans for this upcoming basketball season?  Instead we have schools still planning to flying around the country to hold relatively meaningless non-conference games.  The NCAA's decentralized model works great...until it doesn't.  And now there is no leadership to be had anywhere.

Unless the NCAA, or a conference, or even a coach, steps up and calls for some bold leadership here, I have a feeling that this will be a season of starts and stops...ending in what will basically be an invitational tournament of crappy basketball.
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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2020, 12:53:53 PM »
Reflecting on all the cancelations being announced today....

Other than Baylor, did I miss some?  And ASU is back in the tournament since Baylor now dropped out.

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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2020, 12:55:36 PM »
Other than Baylor, did I miss some?  And ASU is back in the tournament since Baylor now dropped out.

Can't imagine Tennessee is going to start the season on time.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30373832/tennessee-volunteers-pause-activities-rick-barnes-tests-positive-coronavirus

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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2020, 01:21:34 PM »
Not sure whi runs it, but this seems to be a pretty good roundup of quarantine pauses around CBB.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1B0Y8KmRPiG9_8G6U4QycuMymH2SY_CbHA-eAhPn8suI/htmlview

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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2020, 01:45:00 PM »
Other than Baylor, did I miss some?  And ASU is back in the tournament since Baylor now dropped out.

Ole Miss cancelled 4 games.
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2020, 03:02:31 PM »
Not sure whi runs it, but this seems to be a pretty good roundup of quarantine pauses around CBB.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1B0Y8KmRPiG9_8G6U4QycuMymH2SY_CbHA-eAhPn8suI/htmlview

Well that's a lot more than I was aware!

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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2020, 04:14:52 PM »
I have a similar view point. All going to come down to who does the best job of coaching over the long 20 game conference season.

It may be who does the best job of staying healthy.


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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2020, 09:49:31 PM »
8 players and the coach on Utah got it
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2020, 06:21:33 AM »
Reflecting on all the cancelations being announced today....

Considering how much the NCAA *needs* the tournament to take place this Spring, why weren't they more front and center with plans for this upcoming basketball season?  Instead we have schools still planning to flying around the country to hold relatively meaningless non-conference games.  The NCAA's decentralized model works great...until it doesn't.  And now there is no leadership to be had anywhere.

Unless the NCAA, or a conference, or even a coach, steps up and calls for some bold leadership here, I have a feeling that this will be a season of starts and stops...ending in what will basically be an invitational tournament of crappy basketball.

I really think using the MTEs as round robin bubbles or creating localized bubbles as the only non-con was the way they should've went. It gives the cross-pollenation that's necessary for a competent selection process with less risk. Reduces travel, lessens transmission risk, still allows systems like NET & kenpom to operate.
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Re: 20-21 Expectations
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2020, 06:31:18 AM »
If enough games are played, we have the talent to make the tournament, and that is my expectation

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« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2020, 08:30:10 AM »
I really think using the MTEs as round robin bubbles or creating localized bubbles as the only non-con was the way they should've went. It gives the cross-pollenation that's necessary for a competent selection process with less risk. Reduces travel, lessens transmission risk, still allows systems like NET & kenpom to operate.


Bubbles are expensive.  The fact is there is going to be a lot of guesswork by the committee because the metrics for non-conference games will be trash. 

We are just going to have to hope for the best.
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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2020, 10:21:23 AM »

The fact is there is going to be a lot of guesswork by the committee because the metrics for non-conference games will be trash.

Back to the "old days" -- like when MU snuck into the tourney in 1977!

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« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2020, 10:43:39 AM »

Bubbles are expensive.  The fact is there is going to be a lot of guesswork by the committee because the metrics for non-conference games will be trash. 

We are just going to have to hope for the best.

Exactly why I though the MTE was the best way to do it. You have sponsor dollars and programs with major conference dollars able to help facilitate testing for the smaller schools. The whole traveling thing is really haphazard and dangerous.
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