2020-21 NFL Season

[Jockey]

When he signed his contract it was above all of the guys you listed and only Goff gets as much.  The QBs currently ahead of him are Mahomes, Prescott, Watson and Wilson.  Mahomes, Watson and Prescott signed deals after Rodgers.

If he wants to be mad because they drafted a qb without getting his approval, fine, be mad.  But if he thinks the fans will rally around him like they did Favre in the summer of 2008, he's wrong.  The backlash against him is far stronger than it ever was for Bert until he went to Minnesota.

You are correct, but this is about respect mor than money.

[forgetful]

Yeah. As I stated a couple days ago, it was always a Gutey issue. And it is all about respect regarding his contract. His salary is loser to Goff, Wentz, Cousins, Tannyhill, than it is to the top guys. Any good GM would have already dealt with this. It is about respect more than money.

I think any MVP caliber QB would be unhappy.

As Rico noted, when he signed the contract he was at the top.

And remember, GB has offered him a new deal, that he has refused to sign. I guarantee you that deal pays him near or at the top again. So, the low salary cannot really be an argument. If he wants more, sign the deal.

I really think this is him wanting control of the entire ship, which plays very poorly. Lost a good deal of respect for Rodgers over this. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken when he finds out.

[Uncle Rico]

You are correct, but this is about respect mor than money.

I shouldn't pretend to know the dynamic between him and the front office but I really don't understand how they've disrespected him.  This isn't the NBA where you "need" a star.  It's such a different creature than that.  If it's about 2022, that's right around the corner.  He really can't accept one more year and then be "free"?  When he signed that deal, he knew what the future held with regard to what control Green Bay had and what control he had.  That's why Brady played out the string like he did.  This is all avoided if Rodgers does the same.  The Packers are beholden to 52 other players and the long term health of the organization.  They've given him a lot of leeway and despite what people say, they've put a lot of talent around him.  I have little doubt the front office could have done more with regards to pacifying him.  He's a diva, no one can argue that and massaging that ego of his had to be part of the front office's duty.  They misread how much that entailed.  All that said, he's the one leaking the stories, not the Packers.  He looks bad and he's out the franchise in an almost no-win situation.  Time heals all wounds but when he gets traded this summer and I firmly believe that's where this is headed, a lot of packers fans won't welcome him back and rightly so

[Jockey]

I shouldn't pretend to know the dynamic between him and the front office but I really don't understand how they've disrespected him.  This isn't the NBA where you "need" a star.  It's such a different creature than that.  If it's about 2022, that's right around the corner.  He really can't accept one more year and then be "free"?  When he signed that deal, he knew what the future held with regard to what control Green Bay had and what control he had.  That's why Brady played out the string like he did.  This is all avoided if Rodgers does the same.  The Packers are beholden to 52 other players and the long term health of the organization.  They've given him a lot of leeway and despite what people say, they've put a lot of talent around him.  I have little doubt the front office could have done more with regards to pacifying him.  He's a diva, no one can argue that and massaging that ego of his had to be part of the front office's duty.  They misread how much that entailed.  All that said, he's the one leaking the stories, not the Packers.  He looks bad and he's out the franchise in an almost no-win situation.  Time heals all wounds but when he gets traded this summer and I firmly believe that's where this is headed, a lot of packers fans won't welcome him back and rightly so

You may be right, but the 52 other players know full well that they will be fighting for 3rd place in the division if Love is the QB. That costs everybody 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars.

[Uncle Rico]

You may be right, but the 52 other players know full well that they will be fighting for 3rd place in the division if Love is the QB. That costs everybody 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars.

Those other 52 might be sick of hearing about how number 12 doesn't have any help, too

[Jockey]

I think you guys are wrong on Gutey offering a new contract. GB has only offered a re-structure. Aaron is looking for an extension.

Why? Because he wants a guarantee that he can finish his career in GB. What I have said repeatedly is that this is about Rodgers wanting respect in the form of a commitment.  As Dish has so adamantly put it, without an extension he would be gone after this year.

If he is traded, any team in the league would give him that extension. Gutey would be fired in 2 years.

[forgetful]

I think you guys are wrong on Gutey offering a new contract. GB has only offered a re-structure. Aaron is looking for an extension.

This was the initial older story. GB offered a restructure. They found out Aaron was angry about this and wanted an extension when he leaked that he was thinking about not returning.

They then offered him an extension and he refused to sign.

They likely offered the initial restructure to simply find cap room to be active on the free agent market, with the plan of then having more time to do an actual extension.

It really appears that Rodgers is being absurd here.

[Herman Cain]

Rodgers wants a guaranteed long term contract . Green Bay balking at paying up. These things are always about show me the money.

[forgetful]

Rodgers wants a guaranteed long term contract . Green Bay balking at paying up. These things are always about show me the money.

Well apparently what he really wants is Gutekunst fired. As I mentioned above, as far as the reports say, when it was known he wanted an extension, one was offered. That doesn't really seem to be the source of problems.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/05/01/report-aaron-rodgers-wants-the-packers-to-fire-g-m-brian-gutekunst/

Also, this article clearly indicates the Rodgers camp wanted more money, in a 2-year contract. So not an extension just more money over the next two years.

It would appear that either there is a lot of wrong information coming out, or Rodgers really just wants out, or he really just wants revenge on Gutekunst, who he feels wronged him.

[4everwarriors]

Knot sure hoo's got hoo bye da tucas, butt woodant bee shockin' if #12 got his wey, hey?

[Dr. Blackheart]

[Jockey]

Some old news.

A report from NBC Sports Boston -- suggested Brady left because he didn't feel wanted and that he didn't feel like the Patriots were in it for the long haul, which is something the quarterback hinted at in an article that he wrote for the Player's Tribune. It's also believed that Brady was getting frustrated with the fact that the Patriots weren't adding any playmakers on offense even though he was giving them the financial room to make a few moves by signing below-market deals.

Sound familiar?

One other item. I doubt anyone here knows what Aaron was or wasn't offered - even though we have some very definite posts from several people.

[The Sultan]

I think the Packers leaked the "Rodgers wants Gutey fired" stuff because it make him look unreasonable.

[forgetful]

I think the Packers leaked the "Rodgers wants Gutey fired" stuff because it make him look unreasonable.

According to the stories, the source on that item are members of Rodgers's camp.

Looking through all of the supposed "news" now has me convinced that no one knows the true story and much of this is people claiming a source, and the sources themselves being pretty ill-informed.

I'm just going to sit back and watch how all this plays out instead of trying to infer what is actually going on.

[Babybluejeans]

I think the Packers leaked the "Rodgers wants Gutey fired" stuff because it make him look unreasonable.

Maybe, but from an outside perspective (I couldn't care less about the Packers/NFC North and don't live in midwest), lots of folks side with Rodgers.

The Brady comparison seems apt.  Constantly passing on big offensive prospects, then followed by the decision to trade up for Love. It made absolutely no sense at the time and still doesn't.

Rodgers should leave GB and he will thrive. Hilarious to watch either way!

[The Sultan]

Maybe, but from an outside perspective (I couldn't care less about the Packers/NFC North and don't live in midwest), lots of folks side with Rodgers.

The Brady comparison seems apt.  Constantly passing on big offensive prospects, then followed by the decision to trade up for Love. It made absolutely no sense at the time and still doesn't.

Rodgers should leave GB and he will thrive. Hilarious to watch either way!

It makes perfect sense if you believe that Jordan Love is worth that price. And no one knows if he is or not yet.

Furthermore why would they add offensive weapons to one of the top offenses in football?  That's not the reason they have fallen short the last two seasons.

[Dish]

With all the other stuff going on, I'm convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.

[The Sultan]

With all the other stuff going on, I'm convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.

Which a lot of people will cry about but will undoubtably be more convenient for everyone.

[MU82]

With all the other stuff going on, I'm convinced by the end of this decade the Bears will be playing at a new stadium at Arlington Park.

That's been talked about since old man Halas was running things. I think it would be a good thing.

[Dish]

There's a lot of timing that is coming together to potentially have something happen. If the Bears (or White Sox) don't pounce on Arlington now, a better/convenient lot of land won't surface again soon. Logistically it makes too much sense for all involved. I think Chicago will ask for some type of amusement tax tied in to account for the early lease exit. The city will also have a valuable piece of real estate then available on the lakefront. It doesn't fit with the museum campus, but it's be an interesting spot for the much maligned downtown casino.

I think the NFL will do the Bears a solid in helping with preferential financing as well. Be interesting to see if this movement happens before Virginia is gone.

[cheebs09]

How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn't be a tough sell to move from there?

[Herman Cain]

How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn't be a tough sell to move from there?

I liked the Bears games when they played at Wrigley Field

[JWags85]

How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn't be a tough sell to move from there?

I think it depends. I think the renovation/expansion ruined some of the historical fondness/cache.  I'm a diehard Bears fan since childhood, but since I didn't grow up in the metro and didn't start going to games until my 20s.  It's cool that it's on the lake, but it's not stunning from the outside, it's kind of a pain to get to, and the wind off the lake is TERRIBLE in colder months.  I personally haven't, and wouldn't, buy a ticket to a Bears game past Week 6 or so. A move to Arlington Heights would change a good chunk of that negative.

Also, it likely won't be maintained by the trash ass Chicago Parks Department so it will be a much better playing surface

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Personally would be devastated if it moved to Arlington Heights. For me though that's more of a born and raised in Chicago proper kind of thing, and hate to see a stadium go to the burbs. It would be the only professional stadium outside city limits. The current location of the stadium is wayyyyyy more convenient for me than trekking out to Arlington Heights.

Not attached to the stadium itself, though I do think the sight lines are quite nice all things considered.

[Dish]

How attached to Soldier Field are Bears fans? Does it have the nostalgia of a Lambeau? Or it wouldn't be a tough sell to move from there?

It would be a nice by product of a retractable roof stadium to get rid of the silly notion of "Bear Weather".

The meatball fans will hate it, the city people that hate the suburbs will be mad, but for the other 90% of Bear fans it would be great. Soldier Field is brutal to get to, the re-design has great sightlines, but there's no charm that will go missing. There's a Metra stop already outside Arlington as well.

What will be interesting (to me at least) is if Reinsdorf makes a play for Arlington. It hasn't been brought up much (that I know of), but the Sox sweetheart lease deal is up in 2029 (4 years before the Bears lease is up). I don't know who will be owning either team (Bears/Sox) at the end of this decade, but both teams stadium situations bear watching.