Tennis

[Jockey]

Hey shoothoops,

Do you have any idea why Sabelenla is allowed to "grunt" so loudly?   Has this ever been discussed in depth on the WTA tour?  Ty.

Why does it matter?

[shoothoops]

Hey shoothoops,

Do you have any idea why Sabelenla is allowed to "grunt" so loudly?   Has this ever been discussed in depth on the WTA tour?  Ty.

It doesn't bother the players. The tours would rather alienate a smaller group of anti grunting fans, than top players.
Nadal and Djokovic for example, grunt loudly too. It isn't gender specific.

The interesting ones are those who grunt loudly during matches but not at all during practice. (Sharapova, Azarenka, etc...) Tactically manufactured vs natural.

The noise (including grunts) and crowds, don't bother me. I'm much more inclined to mute a subpar sports broadcast on tv, when not there in person.

The most amazing thing I have ever heard is an entire college baseball league fanbase whining and complaining about whistling. Yes, whistling, at a baseball game. Google Vandy Whistler. (Spoiler alert: It isn't the whistling that really bothers them)

[MuggsyB]

It doesn't bother the players. The tours would rather alienate a smaller group of anti grunting fans, than top players.
Nadal and Djokovic for example, grunt loudly too. It isn't gender specific.

The interesting ones are those who grunt loudly during matches but not at all during practice. (Sharapova, Azarenka, etc...) Tactically manufactured vs natural.

The noise (including grunts) and crowds, don't bother me. I'm much more inclined to mute a subpar sports broadcast on tv, when not there in person.

The most amazing thing I have ever heard is an entire college baseball league fanbase whining and complaining about whistling. Yes, whistling, at a baseball game. Google Vandy Whistler. (Spoiler alert: It isn't the whistling that really bothers them)

Glad to read thatJabeur got it done.  I dunno....it seems to me her grunts linger way too long and could be distracting for the opponent.   They also vary a lot even if she does it every point.

Hopefully Ons gets her first major Saturday.  It's gonna require supreme focus in light of her taking out two of the favorites.  I don't know anything about this opponent but she appears to have a ton of pop and good court coverage.   That lefty thwack forehand is dangerous. 

[Jockey]

Glad to read thatJabeur got it done.  I dunno....it seems to me her grunts linger way too long and could be distracting for the opponent.   They also vary a lot even if she does it every point.

Hopefully Ons gets her first major Saturday.  It's gonna require supreme focus in light of her taking out two of the favorites.  I don't know anything about this opponent but she appears to have a ton of pop and good court coverage.   That lefty thwack forehand is dangerous.

How do grunts distract an opponent?

[MuggsyB]

How do grunts distract an opponent?

Jockey,

Not everyone has eagle-eye focus on every shot like you do. 

[MuggsyB]

I think Skinner has a chance tomorrow but it's hard to see the Djoker losing. 

[4everwarriors]

Judgin' from experience, Eye've found some women ta be more vocal than udders. Wattever floats ya boat, aina?

[MuggsyB]

You simply cannot spray forehand unforced errors vs Djokovic.  Early nerves from Sinner. 

[MuggsyB]

The Djoker is not playing at a particularly high level early.  Sinner isn't taking advantage. 

[MuggsyB]

The ump just gave Sinner the point for an extended grunt!  Omg!

[MuggsyB]

This ump may make me root for Djokovic.  Crazy. 

[MU82]

Ho-hum ... two best male tennis players in the world (by a mile) each win in straight sets. Looking forward to the final. Hopefully, Alcaraz will stay healthy this time.

[MuggsyB]

Ho-hum ... two best male tennis players in the world (by a mile) each win in straight sets. Looking forward to the final. Hopefully, Alcaraz will stay healthy this time.

Wow.....I didn't expect Medvy to get obliterated.  It's hard to see Djokovic losing  but Alcaraz certainly has the talent. 

[Jockey]

Wow.....I didn't expect Medvy to get obliterated.  It's hard to see Djokovic losing  but Alcaraz certainly has the talent.

My feelings exactly. Djokovic is the greatest ever and is on top of his game. Clearly the best player all tournament long.

But in 10 years, we'll probably be talking about Carlos being an all-time great.

[MuggsyB]

Not a good set of tennis thus far for the women.  However, compared to the commentary this is the greatest set of tennis in history.  Fowler/Evert are beyond awful and an embarrassment.  We get it, Jabeur isn't playing well. 

[MuggsyB]

My feelings exactly. Djokovic is the greatest ever and is on top of his game. Clearly the best player all tournament long.

But in 10 years, we'll probably be talking about Carlos being an all-time great.

Fair point.  Let's just hope Alcaraz doesn't cramp and we see some great tennis. 

[shoothoops]

Not a good set of tennis thus far for the women.  However, compared to the commentary this is the greatest set of tennis in history.  Fowler/Evert are beyond awful and an embarrassment.  We get it, Jabeur isn't playing well.

They aren't talking about Vondrousova because they don't follow the week to week of the tour. It's ESPN. Watch the world feed. Vondrousova is former World number 1 Junior and they know little about her as if she just walked off of the street.

[MuggsyB]

They aren't talking about Vondrousova because they don't follow the week to week of the tour. It's ESPN. Watch the world feed. Vondrousova is former World number 1 Junior and they know little about her as if she just walked off of the street.

It's not just that which was was bad enough, they didn't mention anything remotely about what she or Jabeur were trying to do tactically.  They were also openly rooting for Ons which is absurd and unprofessional.  We all have eyes, we could see Jabeur was not playing at her top level.  We could also see that she wouldn't come to the net when she had Marketa on the run and that she sprayed a lot of unforced errors.  But Vondrousova earned the W with her consistency, defense, forehand, and slice serve in the ad court.   Her movement was excellent both laterally and vertically.  She also eliminated Ons' drop shot.  In closing the premier women's sport deserves better than these two freaking clowns.   They are abysmal and that is not hyperbole. 

[shoothoops]

Vondrousova defeated 5 seeded players to win the title.

[MuggsyB]

Vondrousova defeated 5 seeded players to win the title.

But Evert said it was "stunning" that she won because of her past results on grass.  My guess is she didn't have much of a sample size on grass before the tournament.  When I watched her a bit vs Pegula she was really cracking the ball from the baseline.  Give the girl some credit for being poised today and throughout the tournament.  As you said she dealt with a major injury.  You don't become the #1 Jr. player in the world by some fluke. 

[MuggsyB]

I'm wondering if they are gonna close the roof for today's match?  I suppose they really shouldn't but there could be 20 mph winds and major gusts. 

[MuggsyB]

This match could have huge implications if Alcaraz pulls this off.  Because he's an all surface player we are talking about a kid who has the potential to dominate the sport for quite awhile imo. 

[MuggsyB]

Super disappointing start for Alcaraz.  Has to ne more consistent and he isn't getting free points on his serve. 

[MuggsyB]

Nice to see Alcaraz pick up his game a bit but man is Djokovic tough. 

[MuggsyB]

Yes!!!: We have ourselves a match!  Very rare to see those two unforced errors fron Djokovic.  I still think Novak will find a way but this just got a lot more interesting.  Alcaraz has the game to dictate points but can he be consistent enough?