Laid off employees given 100% of salary for 4 months

[#UnleashSean]

Don't want to get political in this, actually asking what I feel is a real question.


What exactly is my incentive to work?

[The Sultan]

Don't want to get political in this, actually asking what I feel is a real question.


What exactly is my incentive to work?

Very little.  Which is fine on a temporary basis.  You should probably just stay home.

[#UnleashSean]

Very little.  Which is fine on a temporary basis.  You should probably just stay home.

I can't not go to my job 

People could die if we don't show up.

[GooooMarquette]

Don't want to get political in this, actually asking what I feel is a real question.

What exactly is my incentive to work?

If your company has laid you off - none.

If your company hasn't laid you off, or if it calls you back before 4 months is over - your incentive is $$$.

[jesmu84]

Don't want to get political in this, actually asking what I feel is a real question.


What exactly is my incentive to work?

Well, if you quit your job, you don't get unemployment...

[Jockey]

Don't want to get political in this, actually asking what I feel is a real question.


What exactly is my incentive to work?

These people are not getting unemployment because they don't want to work. It is because they can't work because of the crisis.

Your incentive to work is that you are a decent man who wants to take care of your family. Millions of others would love to do the same but have been told they have no job.

There are many in this country who want to punish those that have lost their job through no fault of their own. What heartlessness. (I am not inferring that you are one of these people.)

[GooooMarquette]

Well, if you quit your job, you don't get unemployment...

Yep. The question seems to imply a misunderstanding of the difference between quitting and getting laid off.

[rocket surgeon]

Kept my office mgr on full salary. She's like the the "Swiss army knofe" of the operation. If it weren't for being in Az all this time, i might be hittin the sauce...one of the things this lay off has taught me though is that I'm not near ready for retirement. Miss the people and the artsy part of it. Not to mention "helping" people

[forgetful]

Are they given 100% of salary, I thought it was the regular unemployment + $600. I haven't read all the details so am likely wrong.

[#UnleashSean]

Yep. The question seems to imply a misunderstanding of the difference between quitting and getting laid off.

Not at all.

I'm simply implying that there's going to be issues between all the people having to go work and risk infection while theres tons off work sitting at home being paid.

[#UnleashSean]

Are they given 100% of salary, I thought it was the regular unemployment + $600. I haven't read all the details so am likely wrong.

Trump just announced the 100% salary.

[🏀]

I have one employee that can only work from the office, general clerical work. She's working every other day with a salary employee who just wants to be in the office.

There's one person there at a time, at most 2 intermittently. She gets paid her 40 hours despite not being there. She wants to be there everyday despite the arrangement, people need and want to have work.

[🏀]

Trump just announced the 100% salary.

Logistically I don't see it happening.

[forgetful]

Trump just announced the 100% salary.

Sorry, was busy for the last couple hours and just popped on here to see what was going on. Haven't got to the new news yet.

Thank you!

[GooooMarquette]

Not at all.

I'm simply implying that there's going to be issues between all the people having to go work and risk infection while theres tons off work sitting at home being paid.

But if the people are told by their employers to go back and they refuse, they wouldn't be considered laid off. They would either quit, or be fired for cause.

[#UnleashSean]

But if the people are told by their employers to go back and they refuse, they wouldn't be considered laid off. They would either quit, or be fired for cause.

Okay clearly I have to be much more straightforward on scoop

Were talking about the social ramifications of this. Not the actual technicality of being paid.

[GooooMarquette]

Okay clearly I have to be much more straightforward on scoop

Were talking about the social ramifications of this. Not the actual technicality of being paid.

OK - I thought it would be obvious from the earlier answer, but I'll spell it out. Those people who aren't laid off and are asked to work in public might be unhappy that they have to make the choice between working and going without a paycheck. How's that?

FWIW, that's the same decision healthcare and grocery store workers are already making every day.

[MU82]

Okay clearly I have to be much more straightforward on scoop

Were talking about the social ramifications of this. Not the actual technicality of being paid.

Let's say we all forget about the fact that the vast, vast, vast majority of folks getting unemployment benefits want to work but simply have no jobs to go to --there have been millions of layoffs in businesses that either have been shuttered or have gone to skeleton crews. Instead, let's say we all agree that these lazy SOBs ain't gonna work because they have no incentive to do so.

What happens after 4 months if things are back to "normal-ish" and the unemployment benefits have run out and jobs are available again? Do you think folks are gonna refuse to work because they "struck gold" for 4 months?

What point are you trying to make while you're not "getting political in this"?

[muwarrior69]

Let's say we all forget about the fact that the vast, vast, vast majority of folks getting unemployment benefits want to work but simply have no jobs to go to --there have been millions of layoffs in businesses that either have been shuttered or have gone to skeleton crews. Instead, let's say we all agree that these lazy SOBs ain't gonna work because they have no incentive to do so.

What happens after 4 months if things are back to "normal-ish" and the unemployment benefits have run out and jobs are available again? Do you think folks are gonna refuse to work because they "struck gold" for 4 months?

What point are you trying to make while you're not "getting political in this"?

I just hope they all have a job to go back to when this is all over.

[The Sultan]

Now really isn't the time to worry about the "moral hazard" of offering people 100% unemployment benefits.  If a few people take advantage of the situation and get fired so they can sit at home and do nothing (versus sitting at home and actually doing something), then fine.

Not offering people 100% will cause much more damage to the country.

[jesmu84]

Now really isn't the time to worry about the "moral hazard" of offering people 100% unemployment benefits.  If a few people take advantage of the situation and get fired so they can sit at home and do nothing (versus sitting at home and actually doing something), then fine.

Not offering people 100% will cause much more damage to the country.

What a socialist you are. Gross

[GB Warrior]

Now really isn't the time to worry about the "moral hazard" of offering people 100% unemployment benefits.  If a few people take advantage of the situation and get fired so they can sit at home and do nothing (versus sitting at home and actually doing something), then fine.

Not offering people 100% will cause much more damage to the country.

Bingo. America is really good at over legislating to avoid that "one bad outcome", spiting millions in the process.

[MUBurrow]

Okay clearly I have to be much more straightforward on scoop

Were talking about the social ramifications of this. Not the actual technicality of being paid.

Hopefully the social ramification will be that we finally have our come to Jesus moment as a society to realize that people want to work, do the right thing and support their families and that we can all stop collectively being assholes looking over our shoulders worrying about what someone else is trying to get for free.

[jesmu84]

Okay clearly I have to be much more straightforward on scoop

Were talking about the social ramifications of this. Not the actual technicality of being paid.

What do YOU think are the social ramifications of this?

To clarify, this is an emergency/pandemic and the payments are only authorized for 4 months and capped. This is also an effort to not make people starve/become homeless in a time when some unemployment predictions are 20-30%.

So, that being said, what are your thoughts?

[rocket surgeon]

Now really isn't the time to worry about the "moral hazard" of offering people 100% unemployment benefits.  If a few people take advantage of the situation and get fired so they can sit at home and do nothing (versus sitting at home and actually doing something), then fine.

Not offering people 100% will cause much more damage to the country.

Just curious, you been laid off and/or still getting paid sully?  Health insurance premiums being paid!  Pension being funded?  Working from home?  Just wondering about "full disclosure" when one speaks of money during this time

[The Sultan]

Just curious, you been laid off and/or still getting paid sully?  Health insurance premiums being paid!  Pension being funded?  Working from home?  Just wondering about "full disclosure" when one speaks of money during this time

Just working from home.  With Google Hangouts, my job can be done just about anywhere.  Full pay and benefits.  My wife is working from home with reduced hours, but her employer is covering the difference for a couple of weeks.

[Jockey]

Don't want to get political in this, actually asking what I feel is a real question.


What exactly is my incentive to work?

I'll try to stick to what you asked.

Your incentive is that your job still exists. I think you are inferring that it is not fair that you have to work and others get full pay for not working (correct me if that is wrong).

Life is not fair. It is not fair that you work for full pay while others can't work and get full pay. Too bad. I could give you a list of 100 things about life that aren't "fair".

Just remember, these people did not choose to not work - they were told they couldn't work. We are in a crisis. Your job still exists. Do it and don't complain how hard it is on you. Others are actually suffering and dying. Medical professionals (and many others) are doing their job and risking their lives daily.

You are one of the lucky ones.

[jesmu84]

I'll try to stick to what you asked.

Your incentive is that your job still exists. I think you are inferring that it is not fair that you have to work and others get full pay for not working (correct me if that is wrong).

Life is not fair. It is not fair that you work for full pay while others can't work and get full pay. Too bad. I could give you a list of 100 things about life that aren't "fair".

Just remember, these people did not choose to not work - they were told they couldn't work. We are in a crisis. Your job still exists. Do it and don't complain how hard it is on you. Others are actually suffering and dying. Medical professionals (and many others) are doing their job and risking their lives daily.

You are one of the lucky ones.

This, plus I would assume if one is still working currently that their job will be there at the end of 4 months. Those on current unemployment may not have a job when the crisis ends.

[#UnleashSean]

IMedical professionals (and many others) are doing their job and risking their lives daily.

You are one of the lucky ones.

I'm glad you assumed my job wasn't risky in anyway. Almost like I'm totally not frontline healthcare.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'm glad you assumed my job wasn't risky in anyway. Almost like I'm totally not frontline healthcare.

Can't spell jockey without ass.

[Johnny B]

Can't spell jockey without ass.

Yeah u can son

[GooooMarquette]

I'm glad you assumed my job wasn't risky in anyway. Almost like I'm totally not frontline healthcare.

You seem to have missed the entire point of his post, so I will summarize what I took away:

Life isn't fair.
In the midst of this unfairness, you still have a job, and likely will have one in 4 months.
Because you have a job in these uncertain times, you are lucky.

FWIW - everyone who is working outside the home these days is facing very real risks from COVID. They could be frontline healthcare workers, first responders, or grocery store clerks. Heck, even the parking attendants at hospitals are facing risks. But at the end of the day, they have jobs, and in all likelihood will still have them in 4 months.

The people who've lost their jobs? Sure, they get money for 4 months and their risk is likely lower if they are staying home. But they have no idea what will happen after that. They might very well find themselves unemployed in the midst of a global recession. If you're in frontline healthcare, you won't.

[Jockey]

I'm glad you assumed my job wasn't risky in anyway. Almost like I'm totally not frontline healthcare.

I didn't assume that. My point was life doesn't have to be fair.

If you are on the frontlines, then I commend you and give the utmost respect. As I stated in another post, my wife was on the frontlines of the AIDS crisis early on. It is a selfless job and people that do it are heroes.

[Jockey]

You seem to have missed the entire point of his post, so I will summarize what I took away:

Life isn't fair.
In the midst of this unfairness, you still have a job, and likely will have one in 4 months.
Because you have a job in these uncertain times, you are lucky.

FWIW - everyone who is working outside the home these days is facing very real risks from COVID. They could be frontline healthcare workers, first responders, or grocery store clerks. Heck, even the parking attendants at hospitals are facing risks. But at the end of the day, they have jobs, and in all likelihood will still have them in 4 months.

The people who've lost their jobs? Sure, they get money for 4 months and their risk is likely lower if they are staying home. But they have no idea what will happen after that. They might very well find themselves unemployed in the midst of a global recession. If you're in frontline healthcare, you won't.

Hey, Gooooo ... that is exactly what I was saying. My non-MU education doesn't allow me to state it as concisely as your interpretation. Gracias!!

[MU82]

I'm glad you assumed my job wasn't risky in anyway. Almost like I'm totally not frontline healthcare.

THAT'S the one thing you got from all of the responses to your post? Wow.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Yeah u can son

don't call me son unless you put me in your will.

[Johnny B]

don't call me son unless you put me in your will.

You know i would